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So today Qatar agreed to have LGBT corner flags to be in line with FIFA’s position of promoting tolerance ...

If ever there was an empty gesture then that is one ...if FIFA cared about LGBT then they wouldn’t have granted the World Cup to Qatar...

Promoting tolerance apparently is colourful flags...the fact that Qatar criminalises homosexuality and will continue to do so is evidently irrelevant...

Brand building and co-opting causes is just par for the course...as if Netflix, Amazon or the Premier League care about racism...Ozil has been exiled for his views on China and don’t expect the Prem to say no China...it’s just not profitable...

What have the Prem actually done?...empty gestures like flags and making it a rule for players to take a knee...Nothing remotely tangible or relevant ...
 
This era of “woke culture” is all about fake gestures. Everyone is scared to death of speaking their minds and the only thing that matters is taking a politically correct stand. Virtue signaling has become the norm.

The irony is that people who are very vocal about becoming tolerant have zero tolerance for those who are not very tolerant.

Tolerance has actually decreased as a result of the constant virtue signaling. Two days ago, the PSG UCL match was suspended because a Romanian official used the word “negru” to refer to a black player.

The fourth official was immediately branded as a racist and was at the receiving end of abuse from social media warriors from all over the world.

However, there is actually no evidence that he was being racist in the first place, since the word for black in Romanian is “negru”.

Should he have been more socially aware and used a different word since most officials are bilingual anyway? Perhaps yes, but the extreme reaction to the incident and the eagerness of people to brand him a racist shows the extreme levels of intolerance that are prevalent today.

People who are the forefront of supporting this woke culture of political correctness fail to realize that their tendency to exhibit toxic levels of judgmentalism is also a huge problem.

As far as the Premier League has no choice but to succumb to these fake gestures of taking knees and supporting LGBQT movements even though most of the Premier League executives and players probably do not really care or feel strongly about these movements.

If Premier League stops supporting these movements, it will take no time for them to be branded racist and bigoted and they will lose their stream of revenue. Same is the case with FIFA.

People need to realize and understand that if you do not support a movement, it does not mean that you are against that movement. You can also be neutral. It is not always black and white.
 
Yeh I posted about that ...

Black is an identifier just like blonde, tall, the one with the red jumper are...

A simple example of how I’ve used it ...’she’s cute’...’which one’...’the black one’...that would be redundant if everyone was black ...just as redundant as saying the Turk if it was a Turk being abusive during the game ...

The bit that hasn’t been mentioned if the officials were getting called gypsies all game...

The official used an identifier...Webo and others used epithets with malicious intent ...yet we know who’s going to get punished...
 
A wall falls one crack at a time. This gesture has put a crack in the wall of oppression.

Sport was part of the fall of apartheid.....
 
This era of “woke culture” is all about fake gestures. Everyone is scared to death of speaking their minds and the only thing that matters is taking a politically correct stand. Virtue signaling has become the norm.

The irony is that people who are very vocal about becoming tolerant have zero tolerance for those who are not very tolerant.

Tolerance has actually decreased as a result of the constant virtue signaling. Two days ago, the PSG UCL match was suspended because a Romanian official used the word “negru” to refer to a black player.

The fourth official was immediately branded as a racist and was at the receiving end of abuse from social media warriors from all over the world.

However, there is actually no evidence that he was being racist in the first place, since the word for black in Romanian is “negru”.

Should he have been more socially aware and used a different word since most officials are bilingual anyway? Perhaps yes, but the extreme reaction to the incident and the eagerness of people to brand him a racist shows the extreme levels of intolerance that are prevalent today.

People who are the forefront of supporting this woke culture of political correctness fail to realize that their tendency to exhibit toxic levels of judgmentalism is also a huge problem.

As far as the Premier League has no choice but to succumb to these fake gestures of taking knees and supporting LGBQT movements even though most of the Premier League executives and players probably do not really care or feel strongly about these movements.

If Premier League stops supporting these movements, it will take no time for them to be branded racist and bigoted and they will lose their stream of revenue. Same is the case with FIFA.

People need to realize and understand that if you do not support a movement, it does not mean that you are against that movement. You can also be neutral. It is not always black and white.

Spot on.
 
This era of “woke culture” is all about fake gestures. Everyone is scared to death of speaking their minds and the only thing that matters is taking a politically correct stand. Virtue signaling has become the norm.

The irony is that people who are very vocal about becoming tolerant have zero tolerance for those who are not very tolerant.

Tolerance has actually decreased as a result of the constant virtue signaling. Two days ago, the PSG UCL match was suspended because a Romanian official used the word “negru” to refer to a black player.

The fourth official was immediately branded as a racist and was at the receiving end of abuse from social media warriors from all over the world.

However, there is actually no evidence that he was being racist in the first place, since the word for black in Romanian is “negru”.

Should he have been more socially aware and used a different word since most officials are bilingual anyway? Perhaps yes, but the extreme reaction to the incident and the eagerness of people to brand him a racist shows the extreme levels of intolerance that are prevalent today.

People who are the forefront of supporting this woke culture of political correctness fail to realize that their tendency to exhibit toxic levels of judgmentalism is also a huge problem.

As far as the Premier League has no choice but to succumb to these fake gestures of taking knees and supporting LGBQT movements even though most of the Premier League executives and players probably do not really care or feel strongly about these movements.

If Premier League stops supporting these movements, it will take no time for them to be branded racist and bigoted and they will lose their stream of revenue. Same is the case with FIFA.

People need to realize and understand that if you do not support a movement, it does not mean that you are against that movement. You can also be neutral. It is not always black and white.

Damn , ^ dude dropping truth bombs left and right !
 
A wall falls one crack at a time. This gesture has put a crack in the wall of oppression.

Sport was part of the fall of apartheid.....

Really?...so rainbow corner flags have changed Qatar’s stance to LGBT?...
Taking a knee has done what to tangibly deal with racism?...
 
Really?...so rainbow corner flags have changed Qatar’s stance to LGBT?...
Taking a knee has done what to tangibly deal with racism?...

The gay flag being flown is actually quite a big deal imo. It lets the gays of Qatar know that they are welcome in the rest of the world and shows the hypocrisy of the Qatari regime on the issue.

I'd imagine if you were gay that the flag being flown in a place like Qatar would make you believe the world is slowly moving towards equality. This is just the start, over time they will put pressure to decriminalise homosexuality in Arab countries before they are allowed to hold events
 
A wall falls one crack at a time. This gesture has put a crack in the wall of oppression.

Sport was part of the fall of apartheid.....

Most definitely. Qatar has went from a stance of a complete ban on LGBTQ to a complete ban on LGBTq except during world cups. A small but significant move.
 
The gay flag being flown is actually quite a big deal imo. It lets the gays of Qatar know that they are welcome in the rest of the world and shows the hypocrisy of the Qatari regime on the issue.

I'd imagine if you were gay that the flag being flown in a place like Qatar would make you believe the world is slowly moving towards equality. This is just the start, over time they will put pressure to decriminalise homosexuality in Arab countries before they are allowed to hold events

Deadly Venom...now that’s a blast from the past ...how long where you away for?...

I think the only thing the flag thing does is it shows the hypocrisy of both FIFA and Qatar...I’d be surprised if those who are gay in Qatar are naive enough to think this is anything other than a temporary measure ...FIFA’s history suggests nothing in terms of them genuinely caring about human rights ...I maintain that imo if that was true then Qatar wouldn’t have been given the tournament in the first place ...
 
This era of “woke culture” is all about fake gestures. Everyone is scared to death of speaking their minds and the only thing that matters is taking a politically correct stand. Virtue signaling has become the norm.

The irony is that people who are very vocal about becoming tolerant have zero tolerance for those who are not very tolerant.

Tolerance has actually decreased as a result of the constant virtue signaling. Two days ago, the PSG UCL match was suspended because a Romanian official used the word “negru” to refer to a black player.

The fourth official was immediately branded as a racist and was at the receiving end of abuse from social media warriors from all over the world.

However, there is actually no evidence that he was being racist in the first place, since the word for black in Romanian is “negru”.

Should he have been more socially aware and used a different word since most officials are bilingual anyway? Perhaps yes, but the extreme reaction to the incident and the eagerness of people to brand him a racist shows the extreme levels of intolerance that are prevalent today.

People who are the forefront of supporting this woke culture of political correctness fail to realize that their tendency to exhibit toxic levels of judgmentalism is also a huge problem.

As far as the Premier League has no choice but to succumb to these fake gestures of taking knees and supporting LGBQT movements even though most of the Premier League executives and players probably do not really care or feel strongly about these movements.

If Premier League stops supporting these movements, it will take no time for them to be branded racist and bigoted and they will lose their stream of revenue. Same is the case with FIFA.

People need to realize and understand that if you do not support a movement, it does not mean that you are against that movement. You can also be neutral. It is not always black and white.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION],

I don’t know of anyone who “virtue signals”. It seems to be a term of abuse from people who don’t care about others, aimed at people who care.

We should have zero tolerance for the intolerant. I refer you to Popper’s Paradox. If one sets out on the road of tolerating intolerance, at the end to that road is a gas chamber.

Without “political correctness” there would be no laws to protect people of colour from discrimination. Lincoln was politically correct, as was Gandhi, as was Mandela.

What you call fake gestures in support of a group are only fake to you because you have the privilege of not being in that particular discriminated group. They are not fake to the people within the group, they are a lifeline.

As for not supporting a movement that speaks out against injustice, I offer you the confession of Pastor Niemöller. He stayed “neutral”.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
 
Really?...so rainbow corner flags have changed Qatar’s stance to LGBT?...
Taking a knee has done what to tangibly deal with racism?...

Well, look at the number of black faces on British telly now. If nothing else so far, BLM has improved the employment situation for black actors. This starts a ripple effect. Companies will look at their all-white boards and make a change. Health care providers and Police Commissioners will look at race-based inequalities and make adjustments.
 
Well, look at the number of black faces on British telly now. If nothing else so far, BLM has improved the employment situation for black actors. This starts a ripple effect. Companies will look at their all-white boards and make a change. Health care providers and Police Commissioners will look at race-based inequalities and make adjustments.

Totally false. Black actors were successful long before BLM came into existence. Why are you promoting and attributing a violent movement?

The situation is clear - the liberals want to hire the right colour, whereas the intelligent want to hire the right person for the job.

Big difference.
 
Totally false. Black actors were successful long before BLM came into existence. Why are you promoting and attributing a violent movement?

The situation is clear - the liberals want to hire the right colour, whereas the intelligent want to hire the right person for the job.

Big difference.

That's like saying black footballers were successful during the days they were getting bananas thrown at them during the early days. John Barnes was winning league titles for Liverpool while picking up bananas from the pitch and taking a bite. BLM is many things, but I would guess the main aim is to give a level playing field and get rid of the not so obvious racial barriers.
 
Totally false. Black actors were successful long before BLM came into existence. Why are you promoting and attributing a violent movement?

The situation is clear - the liberals want to hire the right colour, whereas the intelligent want to hire the right person for the job.

Big difference.

They have faced barriers in the UK - as Gina Yashere said, BAFTA = Black Actors <censored> off To America. She did stand-up here, but got tired of running into walls and now has her own show in Hollywood. Look at Idris Elba in The Wire, David Harewood in Homeland, parts where they can really show their chops, whereas in the UK they would be cast as Thug #3 in The Bill. They had to go to Hollywood to get those roles.

I saw no violence by BLM marches in the UK. I saw peaceful protest. Members of my family took part.

You could argue that producers are casting more black actors because it’s hip at the moment but I find that cynical, because I believe that more and more white people are waking up to the structural racist inequalities and are doing something about it. And that’s true liberalism.
 
They have faced barriers in the UK - as Gina Yashere said, BAFTA = Black Actors <censored> off To America. She did stand-up here, but got tired of running into walls and now has her own show in Hollywood. Look at Idris Elba in The Wire, David Harewood in Homeland, parts where they can really show their chops, whereas in the UK they would be cast as Thug #3 in The Bill. They had to go to Hollywood to get those roles.

I saw no violence by BLM marches in the UK. I saw peaceful protest. Members of my family took part.

You could argue that producers are casting more black actors because it’s hip at the moment but I find that cynical, because I believe that more and more white people are waking up to the structural racist inequalities and are doing something about it. And that’s true liberalism.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news...ed-after-violence-at-london-protests-12009969

BLM violence in the UK.

You probably didn't read/see this due to your bias, but even then, just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happened. And it's not just about BLM in UK, BLM is an 'international' movement. So you must also take into account BLM violence in the USA too.

Densal Washington and Halle Berry, 2 black actors who won the Oscars for best Male and Female actors at the Oscars. This is just one example of how blacks have succeeded in acting devoid of a radical movement like BLM.

Then you have the likes of black Music artists and Sportsmen. You think Lewis Hamilton got a break in F1 because of BLM? Michael Jordan signed up to Chicago Bulls because of BLM?

BLM is in actual fact an insult on the black community. You like to think BLM is a movement of peace and equality, but thus far it has contributed nothing to the black community other than an opportunity to express fustration through violence, hate, and rebellious folk.

Of course the violent antics of BLM didn't do no favours to the perception and sympathy towards the black community.
 
Its not only Qatar, this was a move by most in football.

The OP should look closer to home, Israel plays in Europe, probably the worst form of politicisation in the history of Sport.

Overall politics shouldnt get involved in sport.

BLM is a political movement. However Kick out Racism has helped reduce racism in the stadiums. I dont see this as political.
 
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news...ed-after-violence-at-london-protests-12009969

BLM violence in the UK.

You probably didn't read/see this due to your bias, but even then, just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happened. And it's not just about BLM in UK, BLM is an 'international' movement. So you must also take into account BLM violence in the USA too.

Densal Washington and Halle Berry, 2 black actors who won the Oscars for best Male and Female actors at the Oscars. This is just one example of how blacks have succeeded in acting devoid of a radical movement like BLM.

Then you have the likes of black Music artists and Sportsmen. You think Lewis Hamilton got a break in F1 because of BLM? Michael Jordan signed up to Chicago Bulls because of BLM?

BLM is in actual fact an insult on the black community. You like to think BLM is a movement of peace and equality, but thus far it has contributed nothing to the black community other than an opportunity to express fustration through violence, hate, and rebellious folk.

Of course the violent antics of BLM didn't do no favours to the perception and sympathy towards the black community.

Interesting that you mention Denzel Washington, he is indeed a fine actor but I've always thought he gor rather asexual roles in all his films. You don't often see even the big name black actors get cast in romantic roles with leading white actresses of Hollywood. Might even be the same the other way round with black actresses. Halle Berry was certainly a fine looker, but she did get only certain type of roles mostly.
 
Deadly Venom...now that’s a blast from the past ...how long where you away for?...

I think the only thing the flag thing does is it shows the hypocrisy of both FIFA and Qatar...I’d be surprised if those who are gay in Qatar are naive enough to think this is anything other than a temporary measure ...FIFA’s history suggests nothing in terms of them genuinely caring about human rights ...I maintain that imo if that was true then Qatar wouldn’t have been given the tournament in the first place ...

I was away for quite a while! Hope you are well.

I agree that it is a temporary measure but temporary measures are often the first step to be more permanent ones.
 
Never got the "keep politics out of sport" thing. Politics is everywhere in our lives.

In my experience, it is a slightly disingenuous statement which is most often trotted out when someone does not agree with the particular politic being put forward, but for whichever reason would rather not say so explicitly.

Remember that we are all ultimately on a cricket forum here.... although we all just hang around on Time Pass now, cricket is why we all came to PP in the first place. And cricket is a game that is inherently and irrevocably wrapped in politics. And this has sometimes actually been a good thing, for example in the case of Basil D'Oliveira.

Cricket is a politically sensitive game. We know this and we accept it. Why then are people so "supposedly" keen to 'keep politics out of football'? I don't get it and I don't buy it.
 
Never got the "keep politics out of sport" thing. Politics is everywhere in our lives.

In my experience, it is a slightly disingenuous statement which is most often trotted out when someone does not agree with the particular politic being put forward, but for whichever reason would rather not say so explicitly.

Remember that we are all ultimately on a cricket forum here.... although we all just hang around on Time Pass now, cricket is why we all came to PP in the first place. And cricket is a game that is inherently and irrevocably wrapped in politics. And this has sometimes actually been a good thing, for example in the case of Basil D'Oliveira.

Cricket is a politically sensitive game. We know this and we accept it. Why then are people so "supposedly" keen to 'keep politics out of football'? I don't get it and I don't buy it.

There's passive politics, which no sport can escape. This could be team politics to cliques to board level.

Then there's active politics. Taking the knee, supporting Palestine, changing the ECB logo to appease the LGBT community.

It's the active politics that have to stop because a sport cannot be seen supporting a political message.
 
Never got the "keep politics out of sport" thing. Politics is everywhere in our lives.

In my experience, it is a slightly disingenuous statement which is most often trotted out when someone does not agree with the particular politic being put forward, but for whichever reason would rather not say so explicitly.

Remember that we are all ultimately on a cricket forum here.... although we all just hang around on Time Pass now, cricket is why we all came to PP in the first place. And cricket is a game that is inherently and irrevocably wrapped in politics. And this has sometimes actually been a good thing, for example in the case of Basil D'Oliveira.

Cricket is a politically sensitive game. We know this and we accept it. Why then are people so "supposedly" keen to 'keep politics out of football'? I don't get it and I don't buy it.

It’s more if you’re going to do it then do it properly ...

If as an organisation you care about modern day slavery or LGBT then you don’t reward a nation that practices both ...and then say you’re doing your bit by asking for rainbow coloured flags ...it’s the hypocrisy that stands out ...

And as mentioned with the Prem and other organisations...they only touch causes which benefit their brand...no way they touch the Uighur issue for example...
 
It’s more if you’re going to do it then do it properly ...

If as an organisation you care about modern day slavery or LGBT then you don’t reward a nation that practices both ...and then say you’re doing your bit by asking for rainbow coloured flags ...it’s the hypocrisy that stands out ...

And as mentioned with the Prem and other organisations...they only touch causes which benefit their brand...no way they touch the Uighur issue for example...

That's because a big part of politics - probably the biggest in fact - is pragmatism.
 
It’s more if you’re going to do it then do it properly ...

If as an organisation you care about modern day slavery or LGBT then you don’t reward a nation that practices both ...and then say you’re doing your bit by asking for rainbow coloured flags ...it’s the hypocrisy that stands out ...

And as mentioned with the Prem and other organisations...they only touch causes which benefit their brand...no way they touch the Uighur issue for example...

Or Israeli state terrorism , racism or oppression of Palestinians. But thats ok with you.
 
Or Israeli state terrorism , racism or oppression of Palestinians. But thats ok with you.

God you’re boring ..

I must have missed the part where the World Cup was being hosted in Israel...false equivalence but that’s nothing new to you...

Do you honestly have the ability to speak about anything else?...oh yeh you do...praising a country that seems to have no problem wiping out your co-religionists...
 
God you’re boring ..

I must have missed the part where the World Cup was being hosted in Israel...false equivalence but that’s nothing new to you...

Do you honestly have the ability to speak about anything else?...oh yeh you do...praising a country that seems to have no problem wiping out your co-religionists...

lol. Israel cannot hold a world cup because there are nations who dont recognise the entity.

The point is related to your topic.

Can you explain why Israel plays in European competitions? Is this not the worst form of politicisation?
 
lol. Israel cannot hold a world cup because there are nations who dont recognise the entity.

The point is related to your topic.

Can you explain why Israel plays in European competitions? Is this not the worst form of politicisation?

Because due to an initiative led by Kuwait the Asian Federation excluded Israel.

Israel played friendlies for a couple of decades and then applied to UEFA who had no such problem and incorporated them. A lot of transcontinental countries are part of UEFA for varying reasons. Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan all requested to be part of UEFA.

Australia is part of the Asian confederation. Helps them avoid playoffs against South American teams ;)
 
Because due to an initiative led by Kuwait the Asian Federation excluded Israel.

Israel played friendlies for a couple of decades and then applied to UEFA who had no such problem and incorporated them. A lot of transcontinental countries are part of UEFA for varying reasons. Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan all requested to be part of UEFA.

Australia is part of the Asian confederation. Helps them avoid playoffs against South American teams ;)


lol so you agree with Israel being in Europe but cant fathom a flag by Qatar. One is far more political than the other.
 
lol so you agree with Israel being in Europe but cant fathom a flag by Qatar. One is far more political than the other.

Lol did you even read the response ...

A country can apply for membership irregardless of where they are...so Australia applied to the Asian federation and left Oceania...

Kazakhstan left Asia after their UEFA application ...

Israel left Asia after their UEFA application...

Their membership of UEFA wasn’t based on politics...their removal from the Asian federation was though ...
 
Lol did you even read the response ...

A country can apply for membership irregardless of where they are...so Australia applied to the Asian federation and left Oceania...

Kazakhstan left Asia after their UEFA application ...

Israel left Asia after their UEFA application...

Their membership of UEFA wasn’t based on politics...their removal from the Asian federation was though ...

If a country can apply for membership of a regional competition regardless of where they are, then what is the point of having regional competitions? That really makes no sense at all.
 
If a country can apply for membership of a regional competition regardless of where they are, then what is the point of having regional competitions? That really makes no sense at all.

Not my rules I’m only explaining that you don’t have to be in a continent to play in their federation ...it’s quite well known that Australia joined the Asian federation to avoid playing a South American team in a playoff ...they actually qualify for the World Cup now ...

As for Kazakhstan who knows why they chose to join UEFA...

Israel’s motivations are obvious...they spent nearly two decades playing friendlies having been removed from the Asian federation ...
 
Lol did you even read the response ...

A country can apply for membership irregardless of where they are...so Australia applied to the Asian federation and left Oceania...

Kazakhstan left Asia after their UEFA application ...

Israel left Asia after their UEFA application...

Their membership of UEFA wasn’t based on politics..
.their removal from the Asian federation was though ...

Israel was removed for security reasons from Asia. The entity should have changed its policies and would have returned. Going to Europe is political because it's not just football but also Eurovision etc.

Whatever the reason, it was a political move not related to geography or any other issue. Europeans teams shouldnt need to fly to the middle east to play. Israel should never have been inducted into European comptitions, it's their terrorist policies which stopped them playing in Asia.

You can pretend but Israel enjoys special privilage from Europeans. So dont pull your hair out about corner flags.

Qatar will host the world cup, they have shown a lot of flexibility and its a safe nation to visit. Israel will never host anything like this and will never see people from around the world visiting in huge numbers.
 
Not my rules I’m only explaining that you don’t have to be in a continent to play in their federation ...it’s quite well known that Australia joined the Asian federation to avoid playing a South American team in a playoff ...they actually qualify for the World Cup now ...

As for Kazakhstan who knows why they chose to join UEFA...

Israel’s motivations are obvious...they spent nearly two decades playing friendlies having been removed from the Asian federation ...

Australia is actually closer to Asia than South America though. I really don't understand what is the world cup is about any more.
 
Israel was removed for security reasons from Asia. The entity should have changed its policies and would have returned. Going to Europe is political because it's not just football but also Eurovision etc.

Whatever the reason, it was a political move not related to geography or any other issue. Europeans teams shouldnt need to fly to the middle east to play. Israel should never have been inducted into European comptitions, it's their terrorist policies which stopped them playing in Asia.

You can pretend but Israel enjoys special privilage from Europeans. So dont pull your hair out about corner flags.

Qatar will host the world cup, they have shown a lot of flexibility and its a safe nation to visit. Israel will never host anything like this and will never see people from around the world visiting in huge numbers.

What a bizarre argument ...

I agree Israel will never host a competition...my point about Qatar was actually insulting FIFA for claiming to do their bit for LGBT while giving Qatar the World Cup...that’s not an issue in itself cos my actual argument is for football to be non-political...my point is the flags are token gestures...

As for Israel in Europe...it’s actually the same as Kazakhstan applying to UEFA unless of course you believe Kazakhstan is located in Europe...and again Australia left Oceania and applied to the Asian federation ...
 
What a bizarre argument ...

I agree Israel will never host a competition...my point about Qatar was actually insulting FIFA for claiming to do their bit for LGBT while giving Qatar the World Cup...that’s not an issue in itself cos my actual argument is for football to be non-political...my point is the flags are token gestures...

As for Israel in Europe...it’s actually the same as Kazakhstan applying to UEFA unless of course you believe Kazakhstan is located in Europe...and again Australia left Oceania and applied to the Asian federation ...

What is Oceania actually considered as a geographical location? I never heard of it before although admittedly I paid very little attention in geography lessons at school.
 
What a bizarre argument ...

I agree Israel will never host a competition...my point about Qatar was actually insulting FIFA for claiming to do their bit for LGBT while giving Qatar the World Cup...that’s not an issue in itself cos my actual argument is for football to be non-political...my point is the flags are token gestures...

As for Israel in Europe...it’s actually the same as Kazakhstan applying to UEFA unless of course you believe Kazakhstan is located in Europe...and again Australia left Oceania and applied to the Asian federation ...

If you're not situated in Europe, you shouldnt be playing in European compeitions. Just because others want to or are etc doesnt mean Israel in Europe is not a political move.

It might be an empty gesture to you but Qatar was following a other parts of the world as being part of FIFA. Thousands of gay people will be at the World Cup and none will be arrested. You can watch from Tel Aviv, it's best you do.
 
What is Oceania actually considered as a geographical location? I never heard of it before although admittedly I paid very little attention in geography lessons at school.

It’s Australia, New Zealand and all of those islands...for example they hold a 31-0 win over American Samoa...

Australia used to win that section all the time...but the winner wouldn’t automatically go to the WC ...they would have to play a playoff against the lowest placed qualifier in the South American group ...

So to give an example for 2002 they played and lost to Uruguay ...they just never qualified for the World Cup...

Since then they have been part of the Asian Federation and have qualified for every WC since...cos naturally the quality of the Asian sides is lower than South America...
 
If you're not situated in Europe, you shouldnt be playing in European compeitions. Just because others want to or are etc doesnt mean Israel in Europe is not a political move.

It might be an empty gesture to you but Qatar was following a other parts of the world as being part of FIFA. Thousands of gay people will be at the World Cup and none will be arrested. You can watch from Tel Aviv, it's best you do.

Tbf it doesn’t really matter what you think should happen ...the point is you can apply for a membership of another organisation...this isn’t a special rule for Israel...Kazakhstan and Australia have done the same...

You’re not actually presenting an argument ...
 
Tbf it doesn’t really matter what you think should happen ...the point is you can apply for a membership of another organisation...this isn’t a special rule for Israel...Kazakhstan and Australia have done the same...

You’re not actually presenting an argument ...

I know its diffucult for Israeli supporters to understand any argument. But for others reading its the reason why Israel wants to be part of Europe, their terrorist policies is the cause for their moving.

It dont matter what you think, get a pay rise though, you're not doing a good job of defending them.
 
I know its diffucult for Israeli supporters to understand any argument. But for others reading its the reason why Israel wants to be part of Europe, their terrorist policies is the cause for their moving.

It dont matter what you think, get a pay rise though, you're not doing a good job of defending them.

But you’re not making an argument ...you’re making a statement without actually backing it up ...

You said Israel joining UEFA is political ...
I have provided you with two other examples of countries who simply applied to join a federation ...
What’s political about Kazakhstan being part of UEFA...
What’s political about Australia being part of the Asian Federation ...
 
It’s Australia, New Zealand and all of those islands...for example they hold a 31-0 win over American Samoa...

Australia used to win that section all the time...but the winner wouldn’t automatically go to the WC ...they would have to play a playoff against the lowest placed qualifier in the South American group ...

So to give an example for 2002 they played and lost to Uruguay ...they just never qualified for the World Cup...

Since then they have been part of the Asian Federation and have qualified for every WC since...cos naturally the quality of the Asian sides is lower than South America...

No wonder I never heard of Oceania, the biggest country in the region left to join football Asia while still maintaining secret intelligence networks with Five Eyes.
 
Totally false. Black actors were successful long before BLM came into existence. Why are you promoting and attributing a violent movement?

The situation is clear - the liberals want to hire the right colour, whereas the intelligent want to hire the right person for the job.

Big difference.

This is the equivalence of "I'm not racist, I have a black friend".
 
It’s Australia, New Zealand and all of those islands...for example they hold a 31-0 win over American Samoa...

Australia used to win that section all the time...but the winner wouldn’t automatically go to the WC ...they would have to play a playoff against the lowest placed qualifier in the South American group ...

So to give an example for 2002 they played and lost to Uruguay ...they just never qualified for the World Cup...

Since then they have been part of the Asian Federation and have qualified for every WC since...cos naturally the quality of the Asian sides is lower than South America...

You're almost spot but a quick correction. For 2006, Australia still qualified though OFC and actually beat Uruguay in the inter-continental playoff to reach the world cup. It was then in 2006 when they switched to AFC.

OFC doesn't always play a CONMEBOL team. For example in 2010, New Zealand reached the world cup by defeating Bahrain in the playoff. In 2014, Mexico defeated New Zealand in the playoff while Uruguay played Jordan.

But yes Australia had a better chance of qualifying by moving to the AFC as at least 4 teams qualify directly.
 
You're almost spot but a quick correction. For 2006, Australia still qualified though OFC and actually beat Uruguay in the inter-continental playoff to reach the world cup. It was then in 2006 when they switched to AFC.

OFC doesn't always play a CONMEBOL team. For example in 2010, New Zealand reached the world cup by defeating Bahrain in the playoff. In 2014, Mexico defeated New Zealand in the playoff while Uruguay played Jordan.

But yes Australia had a better chance of qualifying by moving to the AFC as at least 4 teams qualify directly.

After the expansion of WC to 48 sides, OFC has been given a guaranteed spot at the FIFA WC . Wouldn't it mean that NZ will easily qualify for the tournament majority of times or will Australia switch back to OFC in the future ?

OFC has NZ and small Island Nations/territories now, NZ has by far the easiest route to WC among all Nations.
 
After the expansion of WC to 48 sides, OFC has been given a guaranteed spot at the FIFA WC . Wouldn't it mean that NZ will easily qualify for the tournament majority of times or will Australia switch back to OFC in the future ?

OFC has NZ and small Island Nations/territories now, NZ has by far the easiest route to WC among all Nations.

Yea going back to OFC means almost a guaranteed spot in the world cup. The only threat is an upset by New Zealand.

But I think Australia might stick it out in the AFC. It's more competitive and there is more prestige in winning the Asian Cup. Also, Asia has 8 teams now so I think Australia will back themselves.
 
You're almost spot but a quick correction. For 2006, Australia still qualified though OFC and actually beat Uruguay in the inter-continental playoff to reach the world cup. It was then in 2006 when they switched to AFC.

OFC doesn't always play a CONMEBOL team. For example in 2010, New Zealand reached the world cup by defeating Bahrain in the playoff. In 2014, Mexico defeated New Zealand in the playoff while Uruguay played Jordan.

But yes Australia had a better chance of qualifying by moving to the AFC as at least 4 teams qualify directly.

Thanks for the correction...am I correct in thinking that 2006 and prior it was always a South American side you would play?...
 
Thanks for the correction...am I correct in thinking that 2006 and prior it was always a South American side you would play?...

Partially. In 2002 & 2006 the ties were allocated with Conmebol vs OFC. In 2010, it was allocated differently. In 2014, teams were randomly drawn to face each other in the playoffs.

In 98, the playoff was between AFC and OFC. In 94, OFC faced Concacaf first then winner faced Conmebol. 90 was Conmebol vs OFC. 86 was UEFA vs OFC.

So it changes often especially as the tournament expanded. But I am not sure about the reasons for the changes.

Also since Israel came up in the thread it's interesting to note Israel tried to qualify to the world through OFC twice actually without being an actual member. In 1990, they lost the playoff to Colombia.
 
Manuel Neuer: UEFA drops review of rainbow armband worn by Germany captain at Euro 2020 during Pride Month

UEFA has dropped an investigation into Germany captain Manuel Neuer's wearing of a rainbow armband during his side's Euro 2020 matches, the German Football Association (DFB) has confirmed.

Neuer has worn the rainbow armband, which represents solidarity with the LGBT+ community, during June in honour of Pride Month.

The goalkeeper first wore it in a friendly against Latvia on June 7, and has continued to do so in Germany's Euro 2020 group stage matches against France and Portugal.

UEFA was understood to be looking into whether the armband had breached its rules regarding on-field political statements, but on Sunday the DFB confirmed the investigation had been stopped.

"UEFA have today shared with the DFB that they have stopped the review of the rainbow captain's armband worn by [MENTION=49752]manu[/MENTION]el_Neuer," Germany's football team said in posts on Twitter and Facebook.

"In a letter, the armband has been assessed as a team symbol for diversity and thus for a 'good cause.'"

Meanwhile, Germany are considering lighting up their stadium in Munich with rainbow colours for their final Group F match against Hungary on Wednesday.

Munich Mayor Dieter Reiter said on Sunday he was going to write to UEFA to ask for permission for the Allianz Arena to be lit up with the Pride flag colours as a sign against homophobia and intolerance.

"This is an important sign of tolerance and equality," Reiter told news agency dpa.

Munich's city council had already called for the stadium to be lit in rainbow colours for the game to protest a law passed by Hungarian lawmakers on Tuesday that prohibits sharing with minors any content portraying homosexuality or sex reassignment. The law has been denounced as anti-LGBT+ discrimination by human rights groups.

"It is important for the state capital Munich to set a visible sign of solidarity with the LGBTI community in Hungary, which is suffering from the current stricter homophobic and transphobic legislation of the Hungarian government," the Munich council said in its application.

UEFA, as organisers of the event, will have the final say.

Meanwhile, UEFA confirmed on Sunday that it is investigating potential discriminatory incidents that occurred during Hungary's first two Euro 2020 games at the Puskas Arena.

Anti-discrimination in football group Fare sent a report highlighting a homophobic banner in the stands during the hosts' defeat to Portugal in Budapest on Tuesday.

Monkey chants were also heard during Hungary's draw with France on Saturday, with UEFA saying an ethics and disciplinary inspector has been appointed to conduct an investigation.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/19692/12337162/uefa-drops-review-of-neuers-rainbow-armband
 

Cancelled Cold war-era football tie finally completed after 65 years​


A European football tie cancelled due to Cold War-era tensions was finally completed in Northern Ireland on Saturday, 65 years on from its original schedule in 1960.

Glenavon FC hosted FC Erzgebirge Aue – known as Wismut Karl-Marx-Stadt during the communist era – in Lurgan, 25 miles (40 kilometres) west of Belfast.

Over 1,000 away fans traveled from Germany to cheer on the visitors, who were East German champions in 1960.

The original tie was scrapped after both teams – on opposite sides of the Iron Curtain that divided Europe after World War II – were denied entry visas during a period of heightened political tension.

"Those were hard times, governments weren't talking, no-one was let in or out," John Duggan, 91, who played for Glenavon in 1960, told AFP in Lurgan before the game.

Duggan was part of a powerful Glenavon side which was crowned 1959-60 Irish League champions, granting qualification for the European Cup.

But despite Europe's governing body UEFA allowing the home and away legs to take place in neutral countries, Glenavon withdrew from the competition due to lack of funds.

Saturday's unique match, organised as a pre-season friendly after fans from both teams got in touch to probe the idea of fulfilling the long-forgotten fixture, ended in a 2-0 win for the German side.

The game followed a "first-leg" of the rematch last year in Aue - 185 miles (300 kilometres) south of Berlin - which was won 5-0 by the Germans.

The completion of the tie was "a missing chapter for both club's histories, it's great to finally get it played," Adam Carson, lifelong Glenavon fan and the club's supporter liaison officer, told AFP.

"Politics paused it, but football endured," said Carson, who originally hatched the idea.

When Glenavon qualified for European competition in 2014 Carson noticed that there was a European Cup game in 1960 that was never played and "put a couple of tweets" about it, he said.

The idea was that "wouldn't it be great to go across to Germany and actually play this game 60 years later," he said.

Carson's messages on social media were spotted by counterparts at the German side - who currently play in the third division of the Bundesliga - and a bond between the two clubs was forged.

FC Erzgebirge Aue fan and its volunteer press official Max Richter, who first contacted Carson about a link-up, said that "today we close this little gap in our history and play this game which never happened.

"The years when we were champions were in the 1950s and '60s, our club was big then, for all our fans that love the history of our club it was very important to be here," he told AFP.

Robert Turkington, a Glenavon fan who was born in 1948 and has followed them since the 1950s "when we were a great side", remembers the original game's cancellation.

"I was only a kid but I remember people were disappointed, today is just brilliant to see," he told AFP with a beaming smile.

Glenavon fan Gareth Bridges, who went to the first leg in Germany, said that "a real camaraderie has developed between both sets of supporters.

"Hopefully it is something that can develop between the two clubs into the future as well," the 39-year-old told AFP.

Source: https://www.nst.com.my/sports/footb...football-tie-finally-completed-after-65-years
 
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