The power of Great Khali goes to .... BJP!

[MenInG]

New Delhi: Professional wrestler Dalip Singh Rana aka The Great Khali joined the Bharatiya Janata Party today. Khali's inclusion into the party comes days ahead of the Punjab Assembly polls.
Punjab will go to the polls on February 20 and the counting of votes will take place on March 10.

"I'm glad to have joined BJP. I feel that PM Modi's work for the nation makes him the right Prime Minister. So, I thought why not be a part of his governance for the nation's development," Khali said at the BJP's headquarter in New Delhi.

The wrestler said that he joined BJP as he was influenced by the party's national policy.

In 2020, Khali had lent support to the farmers protesting in Delhi borders against the Centre's farm laws. The wrestler had appealed to people of India to support the agitating farmers.

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"They will buy it (crop) for ₹ and sell it for Rs200. The laws will also harm daily wage workers, roadside vendors; the common man will suffer," he had said.

Khali had made his professional wrestling debut in 2000. Before kickstarting his WWE career, he was an officer for the Punjab Police.

During his WWE career, Khali also went on to become the WWE Champion.

He has also appeared in four Hollywood films and two Bollywood films. He was inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame as part of the 2021 class.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/the...-joins-bjp-2760261#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories

 

[Rajdeep]

Eventually everyone (in India) will more or less join BJP or adhere to its ideology. Its given in 20 years time. There is only so long one can remain in denial but eventually Dr Shayama Prasad Mukherji's ideologies will work its charm. BJP is already worlds largest party and it will continue to grow.

Good on Great Khali...welcome. Hope he treats congress the same way he treated the Undertaker in Great American Bash PPV

 

[Itachi]

With absense of any opposite party, it makes sense to join BJP for a career.

 

[Sidilicious]

With absense of any opposite party, it makes sense to join BJP for a career.

Eventually everyone (in India) will more or less join BJP or adhere to its ideology. Its given in 20 years time. There is only so long one can remain in denial but eventually Dr Shayama Prasad Mukherji's ideologies will work its charm. BJP is already worlds largest party and it will continue to grow.

Good on Great Khali...welcome. Hope he treats congress the same way he treated the Undertaker in Great American Bash PPV

As Itachi mentioned people (not Khali specifically) are joining BJP not because of some ideology. Its due to the lack of a decent opposition party.

India's biggest problem is Pappu sitting at congress making it a useless opposition party. No democracy can be successful without a strong opposition to challenge and keep the government in check. However brilliant and un-corrupt BJP might be (and I believe they are bad for India and corrupt, but not the point of discussion here), lack of opposition will make them corrupt. So, even for BJP supporters (who want the best for every Indian), BJP needs a strong opposition.

My only hope is that AAP gets stronger or the Left Front gathers its mojo back. Otherwise until Pappu is at the helm of congress, India is doomed.

 

[Major]

As Itachi mentioned people (not Khali specifically) are joining BJP not because of some ideology. Its due to the lack of a decent opposition party.

India's biggest problem is Pappu sitting at congress making it a useless opposition party. No democracy can be successful without a strong opposition to challenge and keep the government in check. However brilliant and un-corrupt BJP might be (and I believe they are bad for India and corrupt, but not the point of discussion here), lack of opposition will make them corrupt. So, even for BJP supporters (who want the best for every Indian), BJP needs a strong opposition.

My only hope is that AAP gets stronger or the Left Front gathers its mojo back. Otherwise until Pappu is at the helm of congress, India is doomed.

for some reason in the 21st century, left wing parties have been critisized heavily especially in the subcontinent.

people seem to have an issue with the left wing ideology

 

[pillionrider]

Eventually everyone (in India) will more or less join BJP or adhere to its ideology. Its given in 20 years time. There is only so long one can remain in denial but eventually Dr Shayama Prasad Mukherji's ideologies will work its charm. BJP is already worlds largest party and it will continue to grow.

First try and win UP no, before getting excited

 

[Rajdeep]

First try and win UP no, before getting excited

BJP should win UP and Manipur

Have 0% chance of winning in Punjab (AAP will win)

Tough fight with Congress in Goa & Uttarakhand where anything can happen.

 

[gani999]

for some reason in the 21st century, left wing parties have been critisized heavily especially in the subcontinent.

people seem to have an issue with the left wing ideology

Not just in the subcontinent. The leftists are nowhere even in the French Presidential Election scheduled in April this year. Too many candidates with overlapping agendas and divided votes. Nobody is expecting them to do well. And France has been traditionally a bastion of the left movement.

I guess the leftists have themselves to blame, having allowed the anarchist and rioting BLM movement types to infiltrate their ranks.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Great Khali was a great wrestler and I enjoyed his role in the movie "the longest yard"

I wish him the best of luck in his political career.

 

[shaz619]

Great Khali was a great wrestler and I enjoyed his role in the movie "the longest yard"

I wish him the best of luck in his political career.

A great wrestler, are you serious

 

[Markhor]

The most immobile individual I've ever seen. He made Giant Gonzalez look like an athletic high flyer.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Hornswoggle should join Congress.

 

[Local.Dada]

for some reason in the 21st century, left wing parties have been critisized heavily especially in the subcontinent.

people seem to have an issue with the left wing ideology

I have no agenda and this is a serious question but how does left wing work in Pakistan?

There is no communist party as far as I know. Even in india it is irrelevant mostly but they do have some presence.

It’s an Islamic republic and pretty much every party sticks to the ideals of religion.

There isn’t an issue like pro-anti migration like you see in US or Europe or the concept of secular vs communal like in India or even to some small extent in Bangladesh.

I used to think Imran Khan was left wing because of his background of being a social celebrity attending parties etc with elite folk and being Oxford educated. However we know some of his statements have been what would be considered right wing as we know it.

Sure there might be extreme right wingers but does that concept exist in Pakistan?

Not being confrontational. Serious question

 

[Lego20]

One more falls for racist, facist, rss, bjp, hindutva ideology.

 

[Sidilicious]

for some reason in the 21st century, left wing parties have been critisized heavily especially in the subcontinent.

people seem to have an issue with the left wing ideology

This is a global issue. In the UK, Hungary, Poland, USA, Austria there have been significant right wing governments. Trumps departure has eased that slightly. Germany also finally has a left wing govt.

Lets hope this reverses.

 

[Sidilicious]

Not just in the subcontinent. The leftists are nowhere even in the French Presidential Election scheduled in April this year. Too many candidates with overlapping agendas and divided votes. Nobody is expecting them to do well. And France has been traditionally a bastion of the left movement.

I guess the leftists have themselves to blame, having allowed the anarchist and rioting BLM movement types to infiltrate their ranks.

The last leftie Hollande is to blame for that. And we both have the same alma mater, known for its bankers and businessmen

 

[Major]

Hornswoggle should join Congress.

) This post made me loll so hard..

 

[Major]

I have no agenda and this is a serious question but how does left wing work in Pakistan?

There is no communist party as far as I know. Even in india it is irrelevant mostly but they do have some presence.

It’s an Islamic republic and pretty much every party sticks to the ideals of religion.

There isn’t an issue like pro-anti migration like you see in US or Europe or the concept of secular vs communal like in India or even to some small extent in Bangladesh.

I used to think Imran Khan was left wing because of his background of being a social celebrity attending parties etc with elite folk and being Oxford educated. However we know some of his statements have been what would be considered right wing as we know it.

Sure there might be extreme right wingers but does that concept exist in Pakistan?

Not being confrontational. Serious question

Left wing politics existed in our politics uptil 1977. PPP was a left wing party.

However the islaminization started afterwards. Our issue is that we dont have a proper identity. We have an identity crises, thus, we try to find our identity with Islam. If you notice, pre-partion Muslim greats a celebrated but not Hindu or Sikh people who even though live in Pakistan before partition. THere are two lahori hindu nobel prize winners which we never celebrate of.

Thus, the politics in our country is mostly right wing or center right due to that identity crises. Our army aswell is right wing mostly and they back right wing parties aswell.

I dont think left wing politics can thrive in Pakistan anymore. It will take maybe 100 years before left wing ideas start to flourish.

Like i said earlier, our issue is our national identity. Pakistani identity doesnt exists, its still young. So after a Pakistani identity gets established (which would mostly likely be an islamic one) only than liberalism could be introduced here.

 

[LaLoco]

Left wing politics existed in our politics uptil 1977. PPP was a left wing party.

However the islaminization started afterwards. Our issue is that we dont have a proper identity. We have an identity crises, thus, we try to find our identity with Islam. If you notice, pre-partion Muslim greats a celebrated but not Hindu or Sikh people who even though live in Pakistan before partition. THere are two lahori hindu nobel prize winners which we never celebrate of.

Thus, the politics in our country is mostly right wing or center right due to that identity crises. Our army aswell is right wing mostly and they back right wing parties aswell.

I dont think left wing politics can thrive in Pakistan anymore. It will take maybe 100 years before left wing ideas start to flourish.

Like i said earlier, our issue is our national identity. Pakistani identity doesnt exists, its still young. So after a Pakistani identity gets established (which would mostly likely be an islamic one) only than liberalism could be introduced here.

What would be Pakistan's identity?

 

[Local.Dada]

Left wing politics existed in our politics uptil 1977. PPP was a left wing party.

However the islaminization started afterwards. Our issue is that we dont have a proper identity. We have an identity crises, thus, we try to find our identity with Islam. If you notice, pre-partion Muslim greats a celebrated but not Hindu or Sikh people who even though live in Pakistan before partition. THere are two lahori hindu nobel prize winners which we never celebrate of.

Thus, the politics in our country is mostly right wing or center right due to that identity crises. Our army aswell is right wing mostly and they back right wing parties aswell.

I dont think left wing politics can thrive in Pakistan anymore. It will take maybe 100 years before left wing ideas start to flourish.

Like i said earlier, our issue is our national identity. Pakistani identity doesnt exists, its still young. So after a Pakistani identity gets established (which would mostly likely be an islamic one) only than liberalism could be introduced here.

Thank you. Well articulated.

 

[Major]

What would be Pakistan's identity?

our true identity is that we are Indians.. This does not sit well with Pakistanis.

Thus, the reengineering of identity is happening on the basis of Islam.

Babur or Jehangir will be celebrated.. But Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, and Har Gobind would never be celebrated in this country because they were hindus

 

[LaLoco]

our true identity is that we are Indians.. This does not sit well with Pakistanis.

Thus, the reengineering of identity is happening on the basis of Islam.

Babur or Jehangir will be celebrated.. But Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, and Har Gobind would never be celebrated in this country because they were hindus

How celebrating any of them would change or have an impact on Pakistan's identity or it has anything to do with liberal or conservatism?

Their are many aspect of liberalism and conservatism and it is not limited to religion.

 

[Major]

How celebrating any of them would change or have an impact on Pakistan's identity or it has anything to do with liberal or conservatism?

Their are many aspect of liberalism and conservatism and it is not limited to religion.

it doesn. Who you celebrate or who you identify as your national hero does impact the national identity.

Look at the names of our Missiles.

The national heros you choose for the awaam, the awaam will follow those.

Our identity is only being limited to religion. Our right wing or conservatism of politics and society starts and ends with religion.

Right wing in US and Right wing in Pakistan is different due to the religion factor.

 

[Manunited18]

Great Khali was a great wrestler and I enjoyed his role in the movie "the longest yard"

I wish him the best of luck in his political career.

Lol please! Terrible wrestler who looked out of his depth .

 

[LaLoco]

it doesn. Who you celebrate or who you identify as your national hero does impact the national identity.

Look at the names of our Missiles.

The national heros you choose for the awaam, the awaam will follow those.

Our identity is only being limited to religion. Our right wing or conservatism of politics and society starts and ends with religion.

Right wing in US and Right wing in Pakistan is different due to the religion factor.

Pakistan's national identity, a country, which was born due difference in religion, that is Pakistan's national identity, obviously, predominantly Muslim country will be a Muslim country when it comes to religion.

Not really, our politics has shifted since PTI came in to power, liberal when it comes to common sense welfare & human development and conservative when it comes to religion.

 

[KB]

Left wing politics existed in our politics uptil 1977. PPP was a left wing party

It is also interesting to note that even outside of socialist and communist thinkers, the theme of ‘social justice’ was once an indispensable part of the rhetoric of the modernists. Islam, for the modernists, was infused with strong ethical sensibilities. For the modernists, therefore, it was natural that the ideal of social justice should form a worthy goal of a politics inspired by an Islamic ethical framework. From the 1930s to the 1970s, a modernist Islamic economics was often conceived as a third way between capitalism and socialism. As Islamic modernism has lost much of its intellectual vigour, particularly from the 1970s, so the rhetoric of social justice has virtually disappeared in Pakistan.

 

[NishanKonar]

The Great Khali is now just a paid mercenary - who will join whichever party pays him. Nobody takes people like him seriously. They just exist for tamasha

In 2019 he was campaigning for BJP. Then in 2020 he joined hands with the farmers protest. Now he is back in BJP with elections going on in many states

In India there is great demand for hired celebrities for campaigning purposes. After the elections are over - they are mostly forgotten

 

[gani999]

I have no agenda and this is a serious question but how does left wing work in Pakistan?

There is no communist party as far as I know. Even in india it is irrelevant mostly but they do have some presence.

Not many people are aware but Pakistan did have an active communist party at one point of time. They had Maoism too.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1099612

 

[Stewie]

When my wife became a US citizen back in 2012 or 2013, Khali was there, he got his US citizenship the same day. So how can a US citizen be a member of an Indian political party? India doesnt allow dual citizenship. Unless he has now renounced his US citizenship, he cannot hold any Indian office to the best of my understanding.

 

[KB]

Not many people are aware but Pakistan did have an active communist party at one point of time. They had Maoism too.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1099612

In the 1940s, the Communists often contradicted themselves on the Pakistan question, but for the 1945 - 1946 elections the Communist Party of India encouraged its members to work closely with the Muslim League. The communist, Danial Latifi, was in fact the key figure in the drafting of the Provincial Muslim League manifesto in 1944, which called for state planning, nationalisation of key industries, minimum wage guarantees, the right to strike, debt relief for peasants and ownership of state land by landless peasants with progressive taxation on large holdings.

One could argue that the influence of the Communists was important in sensitising the Muslim League to the War time economic dislocations in the Punjab, which undermined the Unionist Party. The League, as historian Ian Talbot has argued, sought support of the peasants by offering solutions to their economic problems. The Communists also organised meetings for the League. In reality, there was of course much tension between the Communists and the Muslim League. But there was a degree of convergence in the rhetoric, with Pakistan being presented as an antidote to the corruption and oppression of everyday life.

Post-independence, there also existed a platform for the left in Pakistan. The Progressive Bloc deserted the Muslim League shortly after independence, forming parties such as the Azad Pakistan Party (1953), the Pakistan National Party (1956) and the National Awami Party (1957).

In the 1960s, opposition to the Ayub regime united disparate groups, but it could be argued that the thrust of the opposition came from the left. One popular slogan in the decade was:

Kon bachai ga Pakistan
tulba, mazdoor aur kisaan

It was in this decade, too, that many in the left turned less to Russia and more to China for inspiration. In Humeria Iqtidar’s words, “China’s support for Pakistan in the 1965 war against India had paved the way for public affection and official leniency toward the influx of Chinese literature in Pakistan.”

At the famous Toba Tek Singh Kissan conference, Maulana Bhashani (dubbed the ‘red Maulana’) called for a referendum on whether people wanted “Islamic socialism.” A slogan that the crowd uttered frequently at the conference was: “Jera vahvay ohoi khavay.”

The extent to which leftist ideas had become the zeitgeist of the day is revealed by the fact that most parties for the 1970 elections included to varying degrees left wing policies in their manifestoes. Even the Jamaat-e-Islami, which under Maududi was hostile to socialism, adopted - albeit gingerly - a call for limited land redistribution.

If the anti-Ayub coalition was given its dynamism by the left, the movement against Bhutto that coalesced around the PNA in 1977 was marked more by conservative forces. Indeed, before Zia took over power it was in fact the PNA which had called for Nizam-e-Mustafa.

Therefore within a decade the pendulum had swung from the left to the right.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I have no agenda and this is a serious question but how does left wing work in Pakistan?

In Pakistan left wing parties would be either the nationalist parties and/or the parties that advocate socialism.

You have PPP, this is the largest left wing party in Pakistan.

Then you have ethnic based parties, ANP, MQM, various Baloch ones.

I used to think Imran Khan was left wing because of his background of being a social celebrity attending parties etc with elite folk and being Oxford educated. However we know some of his statements have been what would be considered right wing as we know it.

Sure there might be extreme right wingers but does that concept exist in Pakistan?

Not being confrontational. Serious question

IK did not run as a left winger. PTI is a centrist party.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

our true identity is that we are Indians.. This does not sit well with Pakistanis.

Thus, the reengineering of identity is happening on the basis of Islam.

Babur or Jehangir will be celebrated.. But Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, and Har Gobind would never be celebrated in this country because they were hindus

99% of Pakistanis dont have a problem with the label "South Asian". However "Indian" now refers to citizens of the Republic of India, so no s**t Pakistanis would not like to be called that.

The founders of Pakistan literally created a state for "Indian Muslims". Their party was called "All India Muslim League". Their basis was that Muslims and Hindus of India are two different people, not that Muslims dont belong to India. However as explained above, today the PC term for India is either South Asia or the subcontinent. No Pakistani would have a problem with those two terms.

Babur or Jehangir will be celebrated.. But Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, and Har Gobind would never be celebrated in this country because they were hindus

So the Mughal Empire should not be celebrated? Who contributed more to Pakistani culture, the Mughals or those 2 Hindu scientists you mentioned? Ludicrous to compare an empire that contributed so much to our culture from cuisine, to architecture, clothing, music, poetry, religion, to 2 scientist. What a joke.

Thus, the reengineering of identity is happening on the basis of Islam.

Pakistan has no shortage of things named after the IVC, and that was not a Muslim civilization, same thing with Gandhara. No one has a problem with that.

A similar example would be Egypt. Egyptian Muslims and Christians would both view Ancient Egypt as a shared history. However Egyptian Muslims would care more for the Muslim era and Christains woulds care more for the Christian one.

So in same way Pakistanis would feel closer to other subcontinent Muslims, and would not relate to "Subrahmanyan".

If its not clear let me try this way

Iqbal, Ghalib, Mir, Faiz, Premchand. All were great Urdu poets, but one of them is different than the others. That one people wont relate to.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

it doesn. Who you celebrate or who you identify as your national hero does impact the national identity.

Look at the names of our Missiles.

The national heros you choose for the awaam, the awaam will follow those.

Our identity is only being limited to religion. Our right wing or conservatism of politics and society starts and ends with religion.

Right wing in US and Right wing in Pakistan is different due to the religion factor.

2 named after people from our second largest ethnic group. Other 2 named after founders of Delhi Sultanate and Mughal Empire. Whats the problem?

 

[gani999]

At the famous Toba Tek Singh Kissan conference, Maulana Bhashani (dubbed the ‘red Maulana’) called for a referendum on whether people wanted “Islamic socialism.” A slogan that the crowd uttered frequently at the conference was: “Jera vahvay ohoi khavay.”

The extent to which leftist ideas had become the zeitgeist of the day is revealed by the fact that most parties for the 1970 elections included to varying degrees left wing policies in their manifestoes. Even the Jamaat-e-Islami, which under Maududi was hostile to socialism, adopted - albeit gingerly - a call for limited land redistribution.

If the anti-Ayub coalition was given its dynamism by the left, the movement against Bhutto that coalesced around the PNA in 1977 was marked more by conservative forces. Indeed, before Zia took over power it was in fact the PNA which had called for Nizam-e-Mustafa.

Therefore within a decade the pendulum had swung from the left to the right.

Thanks for the explanation. Very Interesting.

Going by what's happening nowadays, that Maulana Bhashani seems to have been quite a visionary.

 

[gani999]

When my wife became a US citizen back in 2012 or 2013, Khali was there, he got his US citizenship the same day. So how can a US citizen be a member of an Indian political party? India doesnt allow dual citizenship. Unless he has now renounced his US citizenship, he cannot hold any Indian office to the best of my understanding.

He has merely joined the BJP, which he can do even if he does not hold an Indian citizenship.
I doubt he plans to run for office.

 

[Major]

2 named after people from our second largest ethnic group. Other 2 named after founders of Delhi Sultanate and Mughal Empire. Whats the problem?

muslim names

 

[Major]

99% of Pakistanis dont have a problem with the label "South Asian". However "Indian" now refers to citizens of the Republic of India, so no s**t Pakistanis would not like to be called that.

The founders of Pakistan literally created a state for "Indian Muslims". Their party was called "All India Muslim League". Their basis was that Muslims and Hindus of India are two different people, not that Muslims dont belong to India. However as explained above, today the PC term for India is either South Asia or the subcontinent. No Pakistani would have a problem with those two terms.




So the Mughal Empire should not be celebrated? Who contributed more to Pakistani culture, the Mughals or those 2 Hindu scientists you mentioned? Ludicrous to compare an empire that contributed so much to our culture from cuisine, to architecture, clothing, music, poetry, religion, to 2 scientist. What a joke.



Pakistan has no shortage of things named after the IVC, and that was not a Muslim civilization, same thing with Gandhara. No one has a problem with that.

A similar example would be Egypt. Egyptian Muslims and Christians would both view Ancient Egypt as a shared history. However Egyptian Muslims would care more for the Muslim era and Christains woulds care more for the Christian one.

So in same way Pakistanis would feel closer to other subcontinent Muslims, and would not relate to "Subrahmanyan".

If its not clear let me try this way

Iqbal, Ghalib, Mir, Faiz, Premchand. All were great Urdu poets, but one of them is different than the others. That one people wont relate to.

Because we decided to associate ourselves to the Mughals simple as that.

A scientist no matter of what faith will always be better than an empire that did nothing but make its govt only rich...

No one is stoping anyone to associate yourselves to Mughals, but there have been many non muslim greats taht we tent to ignroe. Bhagat Singh for example when the independence from British had become a common goal for both Hindus and Muslims.

Forget about egyptions, even the Indian appreciate the muslims of mughals and people of other religions, while we ONLY associated ourselves with the muslims thats it.

This whole aligning of identity with Muslims and forgetting about all other non muslims that existed is the basic example of aligning the Islamic identity forcefully, when in truth our identity is Indian.

You seem to have a problem with trying to show non muslim heroes......

 

[IAJ]

Because we decided to associate ourselves to the Mughals simple as that.

A scientist no matter of what faith will always be better than an empire that did nothing but make its govt only rich...

No one is stoping anyone to associate yourselves to Mughals, but there have been many non muslim greats taht we tent to ignroe. Bhagat Singh for example when the independence from British had become a common goal for both Hindus and Muslims.

Forget about egyptions, even the Indian appreciate the muslims of mughals and people of other religions, while we ONLY associated ourselves with the muslims thats it.

This whole aligning of identity with Muslims and forgetting about all other non muslims that existed is the basic example of aligning the Islamic identity forcefully, when in truth our identity is Indian.

You seem to have a problem with trying to show non muslim heroes......

And who gave you certificate to decide that? And how did you calculate when to start our history? There are only 2 factors here;

1)Your history goes back to Prophet Adam (as)
2)Pakistan came to existence in 1947

 

[Major]

And who gave you certificate to decide that? And how did you calculate when to start our history? There are only 2 factors here;

1)Your history goes back to Prophet Adam (as)
2)Pakistan came to existence in 1947

Lol if pakistan came to existence than why align yourself to mughals than.

What im discussing is the pakistani identity which is being forcefully established.

Our identity is indian, just like saudis and uae are arabs.

Funny thing is the indus river exists in pakistan. The word india comes from indus

 

[Stewie]

Lol if pakistan came to existence than why align yourself to mughals than.

What im discussing is the pakistani identity which is being forcefully established.

Our identity is indian, just like saudis and uae are arabs.

Funny thing is the indus river exists in pakistan. The word india comes from indus

Wait.. what are you trying to say? lol

Am I reading this right? You are saying we have Indian identity?

 

[Major]

Wait.. what are you trying to say? lol

Am I reading this right? You are saying we have Indian identity?

offcourse. Pakistani identity is something we are trying to create and it will take time atleast 100 more years to have a Pakistani identity to be established.

We are not arabs, we are infact Indians, that is our basic identity excluding the Balochs and Pakthuns. But we have tried very hard to disassociate ourselves from that identity and trying to create a Pakistani one, which will still take 100 years more.

 

[Stewie]

offcourse. Pakistani identity is something we are trying to create and it will take time atleast 100 more years to have a Pakistani identity to be established.

We are not arabs, we are infact Indians, that is our basic identity excluding the Balochs and Pakthuns. But we have tried very hard to disassociate ourselves from that identity and trying to create a Pakistani one, which will still take 100 years more.

Which "identity" are we talking about here? Racial/ethnic one or national one? I am assuming since you alluded to Arabs, you are talkin race here. But Indian is not a race, politically or non politically speaking.
In the UK/Europe we are referred to as South Asians, in the US we are considered middle eastern.
Indian to me is now more of a national identity than a racial one. And I think none of us actually identify as Indians. You have to be the exception here.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Because we decided to associate ourselves to the Mughals simple as that.

A scientist no matter of what faith will always be better than an empire that did nothing but make its govt only rich..

I dont agree as that empires cultural contributions far outweigh what those scientist did. But its not mutually exclusive. You can have things named after both scientists and Kings.

You realize their are Muslim scientist in subcontinent right? One of them won a noble prize. Their must be hundreds of others, no one is stopping the govt from naming things after them. And i think that would be a good idea.

No one is stoping anyone to associate yourselves to Mughals, but there have been many non muslim greats taht we tent to ignroe. Bhagat Singh for example when the independence from British had become a common goal for both Hindus and Muslims.

Do you realize in Pakistan Sikhs are like 0.1% of the population, while Muslims are 96%?????

If you want to honor someone who bought against the British, then their is Bahadur Shah Zafar. The war of 1857 was fought under his name. His sons were killed because of that war, and he had to live in exile.

Forget about egyptions, even the Indian appreciate the muslims of mughals and people of other religions, while we ONLY associated ourselves with the muslims thats it.

Not true. Indian Right wingers hate the Mughals and Sultans, and Nawabs, etc. Indian liberals dont care either, however for some votes they throw a few bones at Muslims.

This whole aligning of identity with Muslims and forgetting about all other non muslims that existed is the basic example of aligning the Islamic identity forcefully, when in truth our identity is Indian.

Can you not be a Muslim and Indian???? You think Indian Muslims did not have any culture or history of their own? Most people would agree Pakistan has alot in common with North India, especially with North Indian Muslims. I already mentioned how Pakistan was literally created for Indian Muslims. It was not created to be a pan Islamic state combining Muslims from every corner of Earth, but a country for subcontinent Muslims.

And you are right when you say our culture is different that Middle Easterners, and Central Asians, etc and its similar to Indians. However you have trouble accepting that the culture of Muslims and Hindus in historic North India (including West Punjab and Sindh) is different from each other.

Even if everyone became an atheist we are still going to be divided into different ethno religious groups, because unlike say Iran or Greece where the entire population was pagan and then became 100% Muslim and Christian, in the subcontinent we have been divided into two groups for over 1,000 years, and have diverged culturally.

Their was a pre existing culture in the subcontinent before Muslims came. Most Hindus would like to follow that culture. They want to erase the elements of their culture as a result of Muslim rule. Which is perfectly fine. However the Muslim culture of North India was a mix of the local subcontinent culture, and Central Asian/Persian culture. Why was this the case? Because the Muslim ruling class came from Central Asia. They adopted Farsi as the court language. And they intermarried with the Hindu elite. So our culture became a mix of that, whether its architecture, cuisine, clothing, language, music, etc.

You seem to have a problem with trying to show non muslim heroes......

Is IVC a Muslim civilization? What about Gandhara? Those are fine. Even the most right wing people dont have a problem with those.

However their is also a 1,400 Muslim history in the subcontinent. If that does not belong to subcontinent Muslims who does it belong too? So we need to honor to that heritage as well.

What we dont need to do is appease Hindus/Sikhs and name things after people from their community, when they would never do it for Muslims, and their are Muslims who were just as worthy of the honor.

 

[sweep_shot]

Khali gave me liberal vibe. I thought he was a liberal.

Never thought he would join BJP.

 

[MenInG]

New Delhi: An aggregate of ten exit polls have predicted a second term for the BJP in Uttar Pradesh, the country's largest state seen as the gateway to power at the Centre. The BJP, the aggregate indicates, may win 240-plus of the state's 403 assembly seats. Akhilesh Yadav's Samajwadi Party, seen as the big challenger to the BJP, may win 130-plus seats. Mayawati's Bahujan Samaj Party may win 10-plus and the Congress at the bottom of the tally with four seats.

Exit polls on CNN News 18, Republic TV and News X channels showed the BJP-led National Democratic Alliance (NDA) getting 211-277 seats and its main challenger in the Samajwadi Party-led alliance getting anywhere between 119 and 160 seats in Uttar Pradesh.

CNN News 18 predicted 262-277 seats for the BJP and allies and 119-134 for the SP and allies in the 403-member state assembly.

Statutory warning: Exit polls do not always get it right. The counting of votes will take place on March 10.

The figures projected today are far below the 300-plus target the BJP's master strategist Amit Shah had set the party. Two weeks ago, the Union Home Minister had predicted that the party will easily meet the target.

In the 2017 elections in Uttar Pradesh, the BJP had swept the election, winning 312 of the 384 seats it contested. The Samajwadi Party, which was ruling the state, only got 47 of the 311 seats it contested. Mayawati's party won 19 and the Congress only seven.

This time, the Samajwadi Party is hoping to win big, especially in view of the anti-incumbency against the Yogi Adityanath government, its handling of the second wave of Covid and the widespread unemployment in the state.

Mr Yadav, who had stitched up a rainbow coalition with a number of smaller parties hoping to supplement his Muslim-Yadav support base with Other Backward Castes and Jats, had been drawing massive crowds at his rallies across the state.

As the last phase of the mammoth seven-phase elections in the state ended today, Samajwadi Party chief Akhilesh Yadav dismissed the exit poll results, saying, "Let them show whatever they have got. We are winning with a majority".

NDTV

 

[Rajdeep]

First try and win UP no, before getting excited

Are you watching the UP result?

 

[pillionrider]

Are you watching the UP result?

Haha yeah unfortunate result.

Assuming it was a fair result congratulations.

 

[Rajdeep]

Haha yeah unfortunate result.

Assuming it was a fair result congratulations.

I saw one tweet today saying:

"EVMs failed in UP but people rejected BJP in Punjab"