The PTI Leadership Clear out - Blessing in disguise for the future of the party?

[MenInG]

At the moment, we have a daily flow of PTI leaders who are 'resigning' with some denouncing the party, a few disassociating, and some walking away to give more time to their personal lives.

Whatever!?

But here is the good news.

If these leaders were not able to stand 5 days in jail and walked away from the principles that PTI stood for, then did they deserve to be in the party leadership in the first place?

There are many thousands who are willing to take their places, which they will and from there demise will emerge a new generation of leaders who will stay loyal to this party of regular Pakistanis.

Whilst some may have been shocked by the spate of resignations, I for one am happy to look forward to a new and better future for Pakistan's most popular party.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

At the moment, we have a daily flow of PTI leaders who are 'resigning' with some denouncing the party, a few disassociating, and some walking away to give more time to their personal lives.

Whatever!?

But here is the good news.

If these leaders were not able to stand 5 days in jail and walked away from the principles that PTI stood for, then did they deserve to be in the party leadership in the first place?

There are many thousands who are willing to take their places, which they will and from there demise will emerge a new generation of leaders who will stay loyal to this party of regular Pakistanis.

Whilst some may have been shocked by the spate of resignations, I for one am happy to look forward to a new and better future for Pakistan's most popular party.

It's a mix bag I think.
It's not just the 5 days jail.
Their kids and families (and may be assets in some cases) are at real risk to be taken away for good.

There could also be hypocrites and munafiqs in the party who are exposed.

There will be those who have their videos saved with ISI for blackmailing.

And then I guess Imran Khan has also give a green light to let them go and save their families.

May be they will rejoin later but fact of the matter is - where is IK supposed to bring sinless angles to form a party from this ocean of corrupt politician and a nation that is not ready to stand up and fight for it's legal and legit rights?

By now, any nation with self respect and honesty would have a couple of hundred thousand people stormed into the PM house and GHQ to ouster these corrupt mafia imbeciles.

 

[Savak]

IK is not superman, he cannot run the party all by himself and he can't contest on 342 NA seats and 380 PA seats in all provinces all by himself.

 

[Savak]

What this episode and saga has proven is that a shareef lower, middle class, upper middle class, educated class, burgur class cannot deal with occupying army, nazi, stalin tactics under siege because when you have a bigger cause, ideaology to stand up for then that is the kind of toughness needed

 

[Ryw]

If you study little bit Russia s History, Pak Army is adopting same tactics, state controlled media, democracy only on paper. Every party has to obey Army or they will face consequences. PTI can’t do anything about it

 

[Savak]

According to some reporters with their YT Channels, the PDM and Establishment are planning to keep IK under house arrest at Zaman Park and declare his residence as a sub jail. He will not have any access to the internet, cell phone and he will not be allowed to give any speeches and he will not be allowed to meet anyone without approval.

There goes IK's ability to lead and re-organize the party. I don't think i have ever seen such a major political force having its wind taken out of its sails in such a quick fashion where the party from the top has fallen to rock bottom, the PDM indeed has some evil geniuses.

 

[Major]

According to some reporters with their YT Channels, the PDM and Establishment are planning to keep IK under house arrest at Zaman Park and declare his residence as a sub jail. He will not have any access to the internet, cell phone and he will not be allowed to give any speeches and he will not be allowed to meet anyone without approval.

There goes IK's ability to lead and re-organize the party. I don't think i have ever seen such a major political force having its wind taken out of its sails in such a quick fashion where the party from the top has fallen to rock bottom, the PDM indeed has some evil geniuses.

PPP, Bhutto, jail, release from jail, train match, Zias ego, Hanging.

 

[Savak]

PPP, Bhutto, jail, release from jail, train match, Zias ego, Hanging.

Yes but PPP did not deflate to zero in 10-12 days in comparison to PTI

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

What this episode and saga has proven is that a shareef lower, middle class, upper middle class, educated class, burgur class cannot deal with occupying army, nazi, stalin tactics under siege because when you have a bigger cause, ideaology to stand up for then that is the kind of toughness needed

So what you're saying is to succeed in Pakistan you must be corrupt and badmash?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

So what you're saying is to succeed in Pakistan you must be corrupt and badmash?

Might is right is ALWAYS, ALWAYS and ALWAYS the way things work in the world. There is absolutely no other way.

It all then boils down to who has the power in hands, and how honest or how dishonest and corrupt are they?

 

[moghul]

At the moment, we have a daily flow of PTI leaders who are 'resigning' with some denouncing the party, a few disassociating, and some walking away to give more time to their personal lives.

Whatever!?

But here is the good news.

If these leaders were not able to stand 5 days in jail and walked away from the principles that PTI stood for, then did they deserve to be in the party leadership in the first place?

There are many thousands who are willing to take their places, which they will and from there demise will emerge a new generation of leaders who will stay loyal to this party of regular Pakistanis.

Whilst some may have been shocked by the spate of resignations, I for one am happy to look forward to a new and better future for Pakistan's most popular party.

Well said, "electables" are gone and have made the way for the new leadership. I hope Ali Mohammad Khan will rise to the top position , I liked the guy, hope he will not be appearing in a " press conference" any time soon.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It is a disaster.

Lower level PTI workers are being taunted that your leader made you go to jail while he was scared, and the others in your party capitulated in 2 hours of jail.

I think party workers will think twice about listening to calls for action or asked to do civil disobedience because they will very quickly get disowned.

Those with patronage have been able to strike deals for themselves and have declined to support those lower level activists without patronage. These people will language in jails for a long time while those that were able to cut deals can walk freely.

 

[saeedhk]

Totally unfair that the average PTI worker is being kept in prison and some are already under trial in military courts while the leadership is able to get rid of all criminal cases if they defect defect from the PTI.

 

[saeedhk]

KP leadership is holding up and refusing to leave PTI.

 

[MenInG]

Totally unfair that the average PTI worker is being kept in prison and some are already under trial in military courts while the leadership is able to get rid of all criminal cases if they defect defect from the PTI.

PDM thugs in action

 

[MenInG]

LAHORE: PTI Chairman Imran Khan has cancelled the basic membership of all leaders and office-bearers who had quit the party during the past few days.

Although several leaders have parted ways with PTI in the fallout of the May 9 violence, the most notable among them were secretary-general Asad Umar, senior vice president Fawad Chaudhry, former federal ministers Shireen Mazari, Aamer Mehmood Kiani and former adviser to PM Malik Amin Aslam.

Mr Khan also ordered the removal of defectors who were part of the party’s core committee. They will no longer be part of PTI’s WhatsApp groups and the social media accounts will be updated to modify the references of the defectors.

Separately, in a statement on Thursday, the PTI chairman said his party’s leaders and workers were “facing the full force of state terror”.

 

[Varun]

The Pakistani military have won this with a big W on their sheet.

They are like the junta in Myanmar. Imran Khan is like Aung San Suu Kyi.

 

[Savak]

IK should offer to put himself in prison in exchange for all his workers being freed

 

[wasim-fan]

IK should offer to put himself in prison in exchange for all his workers being freed

So true. Symbolism plus I think there was genuine resentment in his ranks that he is asking for Jail Bharo while he is desperately seeking bail.

 

[wasim-fan]

The Pakistani military have won this with a big W on their sheet.

They are like the junta in Myanmar. Imran Khan is like Aung San Suu Kyi.

It's not a war that anyone can win. How do you defeat your own military ?

 

[Sher Khan]

It goes back to what Mamoon has been saying for a long time. PTI is an irrelevant party that in the next one two years will die completely. They have no real roots and most of the PTI politicians are turnciars and opportunists.

 

[Varun]

It's not a war that anyone can win. How do you defeat your own military ?

Sheikh Mujib ur Rehman: Hold my sherbet.

 

[shortbread]

It's not a war that anyone can win. How do you defeat your own military ?

NOT THE MILLITARY, the other two wings have never participated in the Army's political and diplomatic endeavours. The Air Force and Navy have been highly disciplined forces who always focus on their primary objective, defending the country despite the sparse resources allocated to them vis a vis the GHQ boys. Even today the other two wings have maintained a staunch professional silence and are perhaps the only reason enemies do not see this as an ideal opportunity to play naughty.

You are right, if the people turn against their own Army, the country ultimately loses. The Army has never realised this and perhaps never will, but the people of Pakistan do. That's what is holding the peace.

For the Army to reform itself, it will need a batch of forward thinking, intelligent batch, not generals who's primary motive is maintaining the status quo, self-preservation and distributing the riches among their cohorts! I do not think it will ever happen.

 

[RajBan]

Revolution comes through human sacrifices not just through social media warfares which is great complementary tool but does not really create stomach for fight. And if leaders including the supreme leader chickens out and disowns the protests on May 9th after couple of days' stay in jail, then really one can't blame the common man on the street.

 

[amax]

It's not a war that anyone can win. How do you defeat your own military ?

Military at the end is a state institution, they are not aliens , I think biggest problem with Imran and PTI is they see every thing as "right vs wrong" and this kills any chance of dialog , it might be good strategy for sports but politics is much complex.
To me it feels like there is a signal from foreign investors and friendly countries to create stability before July otherwise it might be too late for the economy , so establishment is doing what it thinks is "required" to force a fake stability.

 

[Varun]

Military at the end is a state institution, they are not aliens , I think biggest problem with Imran and PTI is they see every thing as "right vs wrong" and this kills any chance of dialog , it might be good strategy for sports but politics is much complex.
To me it feels like there is a signal from foreign investors and friendly countries to create stability before July otherwise it might be too late for the economy , so establishment is doing what it thinks is "required" to force a fake stability.

Why, what's in July?

 

[Extra_Cover]

I said this in some other thread as well. This clear-out is good for PTI long-term. To be quite honest here I would prefer if SMQ and Pervaiz Elahi also disassociate themselves from PTI in this week or next. The likes of Fawad Chaudhry, Musarrat & Jamshed Cheema, Fayaz Chohan and other small term politicians are good for PTI in the long-run. The only people who left I have felt bad about are Shireen Mazari and Maleeka Bukhari and I really hope if PTI does survive this onslaught then they both find their way back into the party. I was also happy to see Asad Umar still with the party and not leaving.

Khan still has a number of good organic people still sticking this out with him so respect to all those who are fighting it out for PTI and Khan. I hope that post this onslaught we see the likes of Aitzaz Ahsan and Latif Khosa find way into politics even if that is through PTI. Pakistan would want ideological people at the helm and these seasoned individuals could be a great sign for the country.

 

[amax]

Why, what's in July?

some important fiscal dates in Pakistan

 

[MenInG]

It goes back to what Mamoon has been saying for a long time. PTI is an irrelevant party that in the next one two years will die completely. They have no real roots and most of the PTI politicians are turnciars and opportunists.

A party gets its roots not from what their leaders hold in their bank accounts but what the grassroots believe in.

The ordinary Pakistanis want someone they can believe in. PTI is that.

 

[proud_pakistani]

Dunno about blessing but at this rate it wont be a party. It will just be Imran. Imran is now fighting a lone battle. Not everyone has the will to fight against the most powerful.

 

[saeedhk]

There is no silver lining to all this madness. PTI fans need to accept that Khan is out of the game and he is never coming to power again.

 

[IAJ]

There is no silver lining to all this madness. PTI fans need to accept that Khan is out of the game and he is never coming to power again.

Lol. This is pakistani politics, no-one is out of the game. Just hold your horses and let's wait for the elections. As long as you don't break the votebank the result is quite obvious. PPP was also 'out' in late 80s before the elections...

And these PDM will attack eachother soon. Now they have a common 'enemy' but deep inside they hate eachoher to the core.

 

[Rana]

Lol. This is pakistani politics, no-one is out of the game. Just hold your horses and let's wait for the elections. As long as you don't break the votebank the result is quite obvious. PPP was also 'out' in late 80s before the elections...

And these PDM will attack eachother soon. Now they have a common 'enemy' but deep inside they hate eachoher to the core.

Judging by Chohan and Vawda revelations

PTI was never United within either

 

[IAJ]

Judging by Chohan and Vawda revelations

PTI was never United within either

That's even better for PTI, now they got rid of many who should not have been in the party in first place. Youth is ready to take over.

 

[the Great Khan]

That's even better for PTI, now they got rid of many who should not have been in the party in first place. Youth is ready to take over.

Similar happened after the vonc. Similar happening now. As long as Khan is there , there is a chance. Even if he goes its only a matter of time..it may take longer but it will happen. Inlove the comparison between the PTI and the PPP..I guess when you believe your leader bhutto is a pir then you essentially become a cultist. Hence probably easier to take some punishment. But Khan's greatest asset is his message and the fact he managed to put it into action..with the PPP we have Sindh.. enough said.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

That's even better for PTI, now they got rid of many who should not have been in the party in first place. Youth is ready to take over.

We should be clear here. PTI never got rid of anyone.

The first batch jumped ship themselves and triggered the VONC.

The second batch capitulated under some brief establishment pressure. Within minutes they had pooped their pants and ran away leaving their members in jail.

It's not like PTI has itself cleared its own house.

The youth was ready to take over and Imran never let them. He did deals with corrupts until the end in Punjab.

Hopefully now he learns his lesson.

It looks likely that Imran will be forced to leave the scene and a diluted version of the PTI will be taken over by those that are left. It seems like SMQ, Chaudry Pervez and family, Asad Umar etc will take up the PTI mantle and tow the line.

Imran should be radical IMO and appoint someone Ali Muhammad Khan or Asad Qaiser as secretary general. A move like this will sort the wheat from the chaff.

 

[MenInG]

We should be clear here. PTI never got rid of anyone.

The first batch jumped ship themselves and triggered the VONC.

The second batch capitulated under some brief establishment pressure. Within minutes they had pooped their pants and ran away leaving their members in jail.

It's not like PTI has itself cleared its own house.

The youth was ready to take over and Imran never let them. He did deals with corrupts until the end in Punjab.

Hopefully now he learns his lesson.

It looks likely that Imran will be forced to leave the scene and a diluted version of the PTI will be taken over by those that are left. It seems like SMQ, Chaudry Pervez and family, Asad Umar etc will take up the PTI mantle and tow the line.

Imran should be radical IMO and appoint someone Ali Muhammad Khan or Asad Qaiser as secretary general. A move like this will sort the wheat from the chaff.

Have you heard of the term natural selection?

Yes PTI did not do this but nature took its course - and we are grateful for that.

 

[Kianig89]

Well the game from what it seems is to make PTI a regional party basically 148 seats for PDM

 

[KingKhanWC]

There is no silver lining to all this madness. PTI fans need to accept that Khan is out of the game and he is never coming to power again.

You have for years been dreaming of destruction of Pakistan but its important for the likes of you to understand something very simple.

The hearts and minds of the people of Pakistan have changed forever. Imran Khan has turned his vision into a reality.

There could be NO PTI, no Imran , no leaders, the people will no longer accept fascist and criminal rule. Sooner or later the change will come.

As soon as Pakistan collapses economically, the crooks will make a run for it.

 

[Rana]

You have for years been dreaming of destruction of Pakistan but its important for the likes of you to understand something very simple.

The hearts and minds of the people of Pakistan have changed forever. Imran Khan has turned his vision into a reality.

There could be NO PTI, no Imran , no leaders, the people will no longer accept fascist and criminal rule. Sooner or later the change will come.

As soon as Pakistan collapses economically, the crooks will make a run for it.

And then what? PTI will be in power and Pakistan can become the new Afghanistan?

 

[KingKhanWC]

And then what? PTI will be in power and Pakistan can become the new Afghanistan?

Under PTI Pakistan was recovering on the road to become a prosperous nation. Not sure what you've been watching?

Pakistanis used to accept whatever rule to an extent but no longer will. Once justice comes, corruption will reduce automatically improving Pakistan.

Default is just a matter of time, if not this time , next time. Consider it as eggs breaking to make an omlette.

YOU HAVE NO view on what is best, so best stick to watching Bollywood and cricket pal.

 

[Rana]

Under PTI Pakistan was recovering on the road to become a prosperous nation. Not sure what you've been watching?

Pakistanis used to accept whatever rule to an extent but no longer will. Once justice comes, corruption will reduce automatically improving Pakistan.

Default is just a matter of time, if not this time , next time. Consider it as eggs breaking to make an omlette.

YOU HAVE NO view on what is best, so best stick to watching Bollywood and cricket pal.

What I’m seeing now is making me respect the Army even more. I am absolutely in awe of how they have cleaned up the rebellion with such class and precision

Easily the best institute in Pakistan, that is the Pakistan army. Pakistan is in safe hands as long as this Army is protecting it.

Pakistan Armed forces Zindabad!

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Have you heard of the term natural selection?

Yes PTI did not do this but nature took its course - and we are grateful for that.

The difference is like selectors dropping useless players from the side themselves.

Or the useless players going into a match and getting bounced out till they all retire hurt and leave the team in tatters.

Sure the end result is the same in a sense, but the journey is very different.

 

[Savak]

What I’m seeing now is making me respect the Army even more. I am absolutely in awe of how they have cleaned up the rebellion with such class and precision

Easily the best institute in Pakistan, that is the Pakistan army. Pakistan is in safe hands as long as this Army is protecting it.

Pakistan Armed forces Zindabad!

I will happily accept army rule if they can atleast get the economy back on track. Under Millitary rule Pakistan has always enjoyed the best economic growth rates and stability.

 

[Rana]

I will happily accept army rule if they can atleast get the economy back on track. Under Millitary rule Pakistan has always enjoyed the best economic growth rates and stability.

Yeah it’s about time these tigers of the nation take back control from these Kids in big offices

 

[JaDed]

I will happily accept army rule if they can atleast get the economy back on track. Under Millitary rule Pakistan has always enjoyed the best economic growth rates and stability.

This is exactly what everyone is going to be saying in 4 months time.
All current situations will be forgotten.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What I’m seeing now is making me respect the Army even more. I am absolutely in awe of how they have cleaned up the rebellion with such class and precision

Easily the best institute in Pakistan, that is the Pakistan army. Pakistan is in safe hands as long as this Army is protecting it.

Pakistan Armed forces Zindabad!

Finally you have decided to confirm you love the army. You would love ARMY RULE over any political party. You would bow down to the army generals if they came to you.

They have abused peoples mothers, daughter , elderly parents . They have tortured youngsters and sexually abused young women. Are your family aware you not only support such actions but are in awe of them? What if one day they turn on your family members, you'd still love them to the hill?

 

[KingKhanWC]

I will happily accept army rule if they can atleast get the economy back on track. Under Millitary rule Pakistan has always enjoyed the best economic growth rates and stability.

Those only took place under Zia and Mushy, reason US $ for helping the Yanks.

The Yanks are broke themselves, those days a long gone. The army chiefs are on the loot now, they will take the country down the toilet and very fast.

 

[Rana]

Finally you have decided to confirm you love the army. You would love ARMY RULE over any political party. You would bow down to the army generals if they came to you.

They have abused peoples mothers, daughter , elderly parents . They have tortured youngsters and sexually abused young women. Are your family aware you not only support such actions but are in awe of them? What if one day they turn on your family members, you'd still love them to the hill?

Less backwas please

You have an issue with the Army now that they have made an example of Khan. Yes I stand with the Army and proper system.

You only stand for Khan and oppose anyone that opposes him.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Less backwas please

You have an issue with the Army now that they have made an example of Khan. Yes I stand with the Army and proper system.

You only stand for Khan and oppose anyone that opposes him.

This the best you can respond? lol.

I have an issue with sexual abuses of peoples sisters and mothers, torture and abduction of the elderly. Why do YOU get enjoyment from this? You want to quote me, then go all the way and discuss the points?? Im not interested in your maula jatt replies.

 

[Kianig89]

Again what if these jump outs contest election as independent amd then join a party be it PTI PmLQ or JKT

 

[Rana]

This the best you can respond? lol.

I have an issue with sexual abuses of peoples sisters and mothers, torture and abduction of the elderly. Why do YOU get enjoyment from this? You want to quote me, then go all the way and discuss the points?? Im not interested in your maula jatt replies.

Because your chatting absolute nonsense

This is the same Army who Khan condemned to criticise when things were in his favour with them. Now they have pulled the plug on him for whatever reason, the Army becomes a bunch of rapists, sexual abusers according to Khan supporters?

Grow up! Have some shame! Stop being such sore losers.

 

[MenInG]

Because your chatting absolute nonsense

This is the same Army who Khan condemned to criticise when things were in his favour with them. Now they have pulled the plug on him for whatever reason, the Army becomes a bunch of rapists, sexual abusers according to Khan supporters?

Grow up! Have some shame! Stop being such sore losers.

Why should what's wrong be not pointed out? Just so we can please the PDM thugs?

Like I said to you before, go to the PPP atrocities in Karachi thread and express your resentment and then talk about others "growing up"

 

[KingKhanWC]

Because your chatting absolute nonsense

This is the same Army who Khan condemned to criticise when things were in his favour with them. Now they have pulled the plug on him for whatever reason, the Army becomes a bunch of rapists, sexual abusers according to Khan supporters?

Grow up! Have some shame! Stop being such sore losers.

This a huge victory for the future of Pakistan, not a loss.

Army only does what its ordered to do, it depends who is the COAS. Under Imran the Army wouldnt dare do such disgusting moves esp against Muslim ladies, peoples mothers and grandchildren as Imran would have called them out. But now PDM are supporting if not giving them ideas.

Its in the open these abuses took place.

Why do you support abuse? This seems very personal to you? Are you a hater of Pakistan and want enjoy seeing such crimes and chaos? Im giving you a chance to regain some credibility, as first you claimed you support nobody but now after abuses you are jumping for the Army

 

[MenInG]

‘Current plan seems to be to squeeze Imran by targeting all those around him, his support base,’ says analyst

Michael Kugelman, an analyst and scholar on South Asian affairs, is of the view that “the current plan seems to be to squeeze [Imran] Khan by targeting all those around him, and his support base, until his party is hollowed out and he has nothing left to work with-rendering him isolated, weak, fearing for his life, and reduced to using his bully pulpit on social media.

“But he remains a challenge for the civilian and military leadership so long as he remains free. He can still galvanise and mobilise, and try to revitalise the party.

 

[Savak]

In the last 12 years since 2011, PTI was accussed off being a Pak army project till the Pakistani army finally washed its hands clean off it in 2022.

Let's see what IK can now on his own with everyone against him and with no team left. This is the time to show if he can play a captain's innings.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

At the moment, we have a daily flow of PTI leaders who are 'resigning' with some denouncing the party, a few disassociating, and some walking away to give more time to their personal lives.

Whatever!?

But here is the good news.

If these leaders were not able to stand 5 days in jail and walked away from the principles that PTI stood for, then did they deserve to be in the party leadership in the first place?

There are many thousands who are willing to take their places, which they will and from there demise will emerge a new generation of leaders who will stay loyal to this party of regular Pakistanis.

Whilst some may have been shocked by the spate of resignations, I for one am happy to look forward to a new and better future for Pakistan's most popular party.

Could be a blessing specially now when IK's popularity is at ATH and he does not need electables to pull a majority . This could be a purge that PTI needed to kick the opportunists out and get back to the roots of its ideology . Popularity or public support was never their issue though , the real issue is getting back in the good books of "mai-baap-pak army-zindabad"

 

[wasim-fan]

You have for years been dreaming of destruction of Pakistan but its important for the likes of you to understand something very simple.

The hearts and minds of the people of Pakistan have changed forever. Imran Khan has turned his vision into a reality.

There could be NO PTI, no Imran , no leaders, the people will no longer accept fascist and criminal rule. Sooner or later the change will come.

As soon as Pakistan collapses economically, the crooks will make a run for it.

Inshallah. Hope needs no accountability.

 

[wasim-fan]

Online overseas Pakistanis can't turn the course of events. You can beat the Army chief. As simple as that. If the celebration is that Asim Muneer had agreed to have Imran in leash, then that's just false hope at this point.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Inshallah. Hope needs no accountability.

We live in the age of the pen not the sword or here the cricket bat not the Ak47.

You can harm people but not change their hearts.

I love this cartoon.

 

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

Khan's primary support has always been the urban middle, and upper-middle class, the same class who traditionally have been entirely apolitical and had an emotional attachment to the military, which was even used by judges as a pre-tense to legitimize military coups. It was that affection that has been for the first time taken from the army and held by Imran.

It is perhaps the best time in our history for the country to band together and demand with a resounding voice to start some form of military reform, that is the only way things can ever get better, and that in of itself will be a slow and arduous process. Unfortunately, there is too much fragmentation for any sort of sustained talks about it. My fear is that people will continue to busy themselves in further whataboutery and more political point scoring. There needs to be unity amongst all political stakeholders just like there is unity in the army.

Frankly, if I was part of whatever team plans khans narrative id advise them to drop the current narrative of "unprecedented fascism" and "corrupt chor", the latter originally being an establishment narrative to sow the seed of hatred for politicians, and build a new narrative around the history of the military brutality which historically was reserved only for those outside Punjab and in the peripheries. They have the biggest platform in the country as far as viewership is concerned, and bringing eyes to those who have faced decades of state repression will give his narrative new life.

 

[uppercut]

In the last 12 years since 2011, PTI was accussed off being a Pak army project till the Pakistani army finally washed its hands clean off it in 2022.

Let's see what IK can now on his own with everyone against him and with no team left. This is the time to show if he can play a captain's innings.

Except this is not cricket. Unless Imran has a wild card in the form of a Senior Army official under his control and is capable/willing to engineer a military coup the game is up for Imran. Another option is America but he burnt that bridge. Unlike Cricket Imran is a novice in real politics. I can name many a Bihari politicians who would have played this better if they were in his shoes(hypothetically speaking). However have to admire his stance. I wish him well.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Except this is not cricket. Unless Imran has a wild card in the form of a Senior Army official under his control and is capable/willing to engineer a military coup the game is up for Imran. Another option is America but he burnt that bridge. Unlike Cricket Imran is a novice in real politics. I can name many a Bihari politicians who would have played this better if they were in his shoes(hypothetically speaking). However have to admire his stance. I wish him well.

The wild card is the people. Army cannot run as it wishes too if the people are not trusting on them. Pakistan is going down the toilet now in economic terms, the armed forces will have no choice to turn this around as it will directly impact them and their own funds. I dont think this general will last his full term, when he does go, the next will be leaning towards Imran because the PDM crooks will also be packing their bags.

 

[uppercut]

The wild card is the people. Army cannot run as it wishes too if the people are not trusting on them. Pakistan is going down the toilet now in economic terms, the armed forces will have no choice to turn this around as it will directly impact them and their own funds. I dont think this general will last his full term, when he does go, the next will be leaning towards Imran because the PDM crooks will also be packing their bags.

The people have been taken care of by this brazen act of the military which literally neutered the PTI leadership team. Think about it .... no common man with any common sense will come out on the street and stand up against the might of the military when Imrans own inner circle has packed the bags and fled the scene en-mass without so much as a protest.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The people have been taken care of by this brazen act of the military which literally neutered the PTI leadership team. Think about it .... no common man with any common sense will come out on the street and stand up against the might of the military when Imrans own inner circle has packed the bags and fled the scene en-mass without so much as a protest.

Agree, not yet. But when Pakistan breaks down economically, hunger will more of a priority than worrying about army guns.

We must remember, those in Washington dont want a happy prosperous Pakistan with their army puppet in charge, they want this Muslim nation to be in tatters because unlike Iraq, Syria, Libya, Pakistan has nuclear power. The end game for them is the removal of Paks nukes or the total collapse whether its civil war or economic.

 

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Agree, not yet. But when Pakistan breaks down economically, hunger will more of a priority than worrying about army guns.

They will manage that situation thru their puppets in the current govt. Pakistan isnt the first country to have defaulted or going thru inflation problems. They will get a handle on that sooner or later. And its not like Imran has a magic bullet to fix that either.

We must remember, those in Washington dont want a happy prosperous Pakistan with their army puppet in charge, they want this Muslim nation to be in tatters because unlike Iraq, Syria, Libya, Pakistan has nuclear power. The end game for them is the removal of Paks nukes or the total collapse whether its civil war or economic.

If they wanted that they would have ensured that Pak would never have Nukes in the first place. Another big variable in this mess is China. Afterall they have put in roughly $30B ... they wont sit by and watch as an innocent bystander.

 

[KingKhanWC]

They will manage that situation thru their puppets in the current govt. Pakistan isnt the first country to have defaulted or going thru inflation problems. They will get a handle on that sooner or later. And its not like Imran has a magic bullet to fix that either.

Imran will vastly improve the situation, by overseas sending money over, which they are not doing nearly as much now. But mainly his policies will be for the benefit of Pakistan, not for the pockets of the elite. There are nations which have gone through defaults or economic crisis which havent recovered for years because of the similar crooks in power.

If they wanted that they would have ensured that Pak would never have Nukes in the first place. Another big variable in this mess is China. Afterall they have put in roughly $30B ... they wont sit by and watch as an innocent bystander.

USA cared more about communism, the Soviets. Pakistan was a vital partner in defeating the Soviets, hence the reason they turned a blind eye while China provided some material and Zia was smart to finish the bomb off before Afghanistan was victorious.

China has already made statements urging stability but are playing a waiting game for now. I think they feel Imran will eventually return, the nation will be less corrupt again so they can finish of their projects, esp the rail train link between the two. But yes Pakistan has a huge play with China, as the leaders are now begging the Chinese to roll over $2 billion in debt which is due next week. China could simply say sure , get rid of the Army chief and links with the US first. The game will then change overnight. Those who think the PDM crooks have won, are very ignorant and simply followers of looters ,as most of them have been raised by corrupt money.

 

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Imran will vastly improve the situation, by overseas sending money over, which they are not doing nearly as much now. But mainly his policies will be for the benefit of Pakistan, not for the pockets of the elite. There are nations which have gone through defaults or economic crisis which havent recovered for years because of the similar crooks in power..

Real progress is made by being largely self sufficient and being a net-exporter. India used to be in this same situation roughly 30 yrs ago and they realized it was not tenable and took some tough decisions and it paid off slowly. There are a number of other factors involved and the key ones being stable political env and large very well educated middle/lower middle class, Pakistan does not have both. So there are no quick fixes that anyone can offer. The situation will take a lifetime to fix !!

USA cared more about communism, the Soviets. Pakistan was a vital partner in defeating the Soviets, hence the reason they turned a blind eye while China provided some material and Zia was smart to finish the bomb off before Afghanistan was victorious.

China has already made statements urging stability but are playing a waiting game for now. I think they feel Imran will eventually return, the nation will be less corrupt again so they can finish of their projects, esp the rail train link between the two. But yes Pakistan has a huge play with China, as the leaders are now begging the Chinese to roll over $2 billion in debt which is due next week. China could simply say sure , get rid of the Army chief and links with the US first. The game will then change overnight. Those who think the PDM crooks have won, are very ignorant and simply followers of looters ,as most of them have been raised by corrupt money.

The USA has too much on its hand in the form of Russia + china + de-dollarization + Recession etc and since the elections are not too far away I don't think the current administration will have the appetite to open another risky front. China is by far the biggest player in this game of Chess IMO. And the rail link has one major obstacle in the form of India which is a party to the disputed territory thru which the rail link will pass thru.

And lets say it does somehow get done .... the loan terms are soo massively in favor of China that it will take more than a few generations before it starts to bear any fruits to Pakistan. Ask Sri Lanka and other countries in similar boat. Also the projects were stalled during Imran's rule !! If anything the Chinese will back the Generals as they know they are the real rulers. Why would China even want a democratic setup in Pak ?

 

[MenInG]

So, whilst Imran is the only one raising his voice for the thousands illegally incarcerated in jails, these "conscientious" types are leaving to save their lives in case they have to spend a few more days in jails?

 

[Rana]

So, whilst Imran is the only one raising his voice for the thousands illegally incarcerated in jails, these "conscientious" types are leaving to save their lives in case they have to spend a few more days in jails?

It’s not what they signed up for mate

Don’t blame them.

 

[MenInG]

It’s not what they signed up for mate

Don’t blame them.

They signed up for a cause. The cause of PTI to rid Pakistan of the leeches generally known as The Sharifs.

They needed to stand up for that along with their own leader who is constantly showing them the way forward.

But I am glad they are gone. Pakistan does not need these people with little faith.

We have a destiny promised to us by the Quaid and Allama Iqbal. Only someone like Imran can deliver that goal for us.

 

[wasim-fan]

They signed up for a cause. The cause of PTI to rid Pakistan of the leeches generally known as The Sharifs.

They needed to stand up for that along with their own leader who is constantly showing them the way forward.

But I am glad they are gone. Pakistan does not need these people with little faith.

We have a destiny promised to us by the Quaid and Allama Iqbal. Only someone like Imran can deliver that goal for us.

Hmm Pervez Elahi and Qureshi are not leeches ? I can atleast 20 more names. Imran himself gave up on his ideology.

 

[Rana]

They signed up for a cause. The cause of PTI to rid Pakistan of the leeches generally known as The Sharifs.

They needed to stand up for that along with their own leader who is constantly showing them the way forward.

But I am glad they are gone. Pakistan does not need these people with little faith.

We have a destiny promised to us by the Quaid and Allama Iqbal. Only someone like Imran can deliver that goal for us.

Bro it takes years, decades to build up people who are loyal to your cause. I’m sure you would look at it as a win situation with them leaving, but the next in line….are they willing to put in the years of sacrifice these people have who today have abandoned you?

People coming in now will be opportunists, and I’m pretty sure they will also not be able to handle the heat if push comes to shove with the establishment

 

[MenInG]

Bro it takes years, decades to build up people who are loyal to your cause. I’m sure you would look at it as a win situation with them leaving, but the next in line….are they willing to put in the years of sacrifice these people have who today have abandoned you?

People coming in now will be opportunists, and I’m pretty sure they will also not be able to handle the heat if push comes to shove with the establishment

But we must start.

If we stop believing then what are we?

I have spent my life hoping for a better Pakistan and IK's vision offered that, and continues to do so. The main thing is not to become sheep and accept Baqra Eid as fait accompli

 

[JattMaula]

We live in the age of the pen not the sword or here the cricket bat not the Ak47.

You can harm people but not change their hearts.

I love this cartoon.

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Love the image.

Second bat must belong to his partner who "retired hurt".

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What is behind the mass “forced divorces” of senior figures of PTI? <a href="https://twitter.com/SecKermani?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SecKermani</a> sheds light on it: <a href="https://t.co/6NblORICU7">pic.twitter.com/6NblORICU7</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1662378758328791040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 27, 2023</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

So seems that the great meltdown of PTI didn't quite happen as their foes wanted it to be!

Party still in place.

The turncoats making themselves look silly making up new party names for themselves.

 

[Kianig89]

On the face of it, looks as PTI is finished but there are various perspective, by eliminating PTI, PDM has lost its common enemy and with lot of groups mushrooming there is rat race within PDM which will give birth to differences like Zardari being active in Punjab and JKT aspiring for new party add to it whoever takes the next govt has very little margin of performance as they will be handcuffed by IMF, IK just needs to be calm and stick to his plan stop these lead lag pressers

 

[Savak]

On the face of it, looks as PTI is finished but there are various perspective, by eliminating PTI, PDM has lost its common enemy and with lot of groups mushrooming there is rat race within PDM which will give birth to differences like Zardari being active in Punjab and JKT aspiring for new party add to it whoever takes the next govt has very little margin of performance as they will be handcuffed by IMF, IK just needs to be calm and stick to his plan stop these lead lag pressers

A lot of analysts are saying that PMLN is extremely concerned and frustrated by the situation and they feel the establishment is now prepared to dump them in favour of PPP and they want Bilawal as the next prime minister.

Even in Punjab the establishment wants to make either Jahangir Tareen or Aleem Khan as the next Chief Minister wheras PML-N was hoping that either Shahbaz Sharif or Maryam Nawaz would be accommodated but so abysmal has been PML-Ns performance in the past one year there is no way they can be accommodated.

PML-N naturally feeling screwed over as they feel they are now taking the fall for accepting the government for the last one year.

 

[UP]

A lot of analysts are saying that PMLN is extremely concerned and frustrated by the situation and they feel the establishment is now prepared to dump them in favour of PPP and they want Bilawal as the next prime minister.

Even in Punjab the establishment wants to make either Jahangir Tareen or Aleem Khan as the next Chief Minister wheras PML-N was hoping that either Shahbaz Sharif or Maryam Nawaz would be accommodated but so abysmal has been PML-Ns performance in the past one year there is no way they can be accommodated.

PML-N naturally feeling screwed over as they feel they are now taking the fall for accepting the government for the last one year.

It boggles my mind to comprehend a fact of somebody with a 2% vote bank can become a prime minister. Who are these clowns hell bent of destroying whatever life that’s left in the country?

If Billo manages to become a PM, it won’t matter much anyway as he will be the biggest puppet in our lifetime. Awaam will slap his face nonstop and he will be very unpopular.

Khan isn’t liked by Hafiz is because he challenges the status quo. During Khan’s tenure a pandemic created mayhem in the world and he still managed to grow the economy 6% yearly.

The long term solution is to have IK in the government and let him implement his vision freely but that seems impossible because he will cut their pockets.

I hope and pray establishment or Hafiz destroy PMLN family business inc.