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fielding as we all know is one of the most important factors which decides the fate of a cricket match. good fielding can save u an extra 20-30 runs and bad fielding can cost you as many.

imo Pakistan , with the inclusion of new young players in ODIs who happen to be good fielders, has and will improve even more in the fielding department. these players are

ahmad shehzad (what a good fielder he is)

fawad alam (arguably the best fielder in Pakistan)

umar akmal (he is acting as a wk but he is a very very good fielder)

mohammad hafeez

younis khan (yeah i know he shouldn't be there but he is)

misbah (is not a bad fielder at all)

wahab riaz (i think he is a good fielder ; correct me if i am wrong)

others like maqsood , sharjeel can be utilized in slips as well with those bucket hands of theirs :D

views?
 
The more athletic your team is, the better you'll be in fielding. Now it depends if they want to show up to play on a particular day or not.
 
Poor/mediocre fielders in the squad:

Sharjeel
Afridi
Ajmal (though improved quite a lot)
Irfan (fielded well but generally he can't cuz of his build)


Rest of them are all pretty good! But still they drop catches randomly :/
 
Its known that [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] will not appreciate Afridi anyway.. He's one of the top fielder pakistan produced ever.. He's better than misbah. Yk n Hafeez. Rarely sees he drops a catch....
 
Its known that [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] will not appreciate Afridi anyway.. He's one of the top fielder pakistan produced ever.. He's better than misbah. Yk n Hafeez. Rarely sees he drops a catch....

i appreciate his fielding very much. infact its better than his bowling or batting :p
 
Poor/mediocre fielders in the squad:

Sharjeel
[highlight]Afridi[/highlight]
Ajmal (though improved quite a lot)
Irfan (fielded well but generally he can't cuz of his build)


Rest of them are all pretty good! But still they drop catches randomly :/

wow wow really.. What a genius you are :bow: :facepalm:
 
Hafeez has dropped some 50% of the catches over past two years

This Stat was running on TV during Asia Cup.
 
The fielding unit was better in 2012 under Whatmore and JF. We have some better fielders now but overall team fielding is not upto the mark.

And Maqsood, a great find he's been, but not the best of fielders :misbah
 
The fielding unit was better in 2012 under Whatmore and JF. We have some better fielders now but overall team fielding is not upto the mark.

And Maqsood, a great find he's been, but not the best of fielders :misbah

i really believe maqsood can be utilized in slips. he has got buckets for hands
 
Poor/mediocre fielders in the squad:

Sharjeel
Afridi
Ajmal (though improved quite a lot)
Irfan (fielded well but generally he can't cuz of his build)


Rest of them are all pretty good! But still they drop catches randomly :/

afridi is a good fielder. he doesnt drop any catches
 
Afridi used to be a great fielder, has slowed down a little now due to age, but still pretty decent.
Everyone seems to have forgotten about Anwar Ali, very, very fine fielder he is.
 
Afridi used to be a great fielder, has slowed down a little now due to age, but still pretty decent.
Everyone seems to have forgotten about Anwar Ali, very, very fine fielder he is.

yes he is good as well. maybe because he doesnt make the playing XI too often makes people forget about him.
 
Lol afridi poor fielder ? He is one of the best fielders and athletic players in the team

The best?:)))Nice one.He is one of the worst.

Has a terrible attitude, doesn't dive, has a superiority complex yet doesn't forget to yell at people.

Misbah at 42 is way better than him.
 
Yes

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The best?:)))Nice one.He is one of the worst.

Has a terrible attitude, doesn't dive, has a superiority complex yet doesn't forget to yell at people.

Misbah at 42 is way better than him.
sure sir..
Thinks me and you watches different afridi then.
 
Anwar Ali is in the squad as well.

Yasir Shah is a great fielder but his bowling isn't that great. Leg-spinners take time to develop and he is already a bit too old.
 
Anwar Ali is in the squad as well.

Yasir Shah is a great fielder but his bowling isn't that great. Leg-spinners take time to develop and he is already a bit too old.

yasir shah imo is a very good leggie. his fielding is top class too but we are talking about the current Pak team. its shaping up nicely in the fielding department.
 
yasir shah imo is a very good leggie. his fielding is top class too but we are talking about the current Pak team. its shaping up nicely in the fielding department.

should get a call up in test matches for sure

i dislike this phrase but he can be an 'X factor' on UAE pitches
 
Anwar Ali is in the squad as well.

Yasir Shah is a great fielder but his bowling isn't that great. Leg-spinners take time to develop and he is already a bit too old.

they should just keep him in the squad for that

he is actually a decent bench player when you think about it
 
PAK was the worst fielding side - BY FAR, that includes BD & IRL. I think, few months back there was thread on this & combined (Test & LO) PAK score for me was probably 3.5/4 (NZL top with 9.5, & BD second last with 5/5.5) - still PAK is the worst, BUT MARGINALLY. May be now I 'll give 5.

Lot's of posters 'll not like this, I know. 'll appreciate if posters can come up with proper arguments on 7 aspects of fielding

1. Fitness, stamina, endurance & physical flexibility
2. Catching ability
3. Ground fielding
4. Throwing ability
5. Fielding intelligence
6. Enjoyment while fielding
7. Fielding synergy - whole team as a part of fielding unit complementing each other.

Under JF, PAK has improved lot on every aspects, but for one single point, PAK is the worst fielding side, had been since I am watching & 'll remain forever (unless it's changed) - Approach to fielding. Biggest bluff of PAK poor fielding effort is the ground condition, hard & scratchy fields - guys, I come from subcontinent as well. In late 80s/early 90s when I started watching cricket the West Indians, Lankans, Zimbabwean even the Kenyans were stunning fielders - & they learned the tricks on grounds/beaches compared to which PAK grounds are like billiard tables. & I am waiting for an intellectual to explain me what the field condition has to do with PAK fielders dropping dollies at everywhere - mid on/off/wicket, point, cover, slip, skier on boundary .... where not.

The reason -

PAK as a whole Nation, don't value fielding, don't appreciate good fielders, always try to find an excuse for poor fielding & don't make fielding scale-able (It's not a selection criteria, dropping catches don't hurt PAK, it's taken as part of the game). Otherwise, on his fielding merit only, Fawad Alam would have played over 200 ODIs by now.
 
should get a call up in test matches for sure

i dislike this phrase but he can be an 'X factor' on UAE pitches

thats true. but he is going down the ajmal route. he is 28 and his best years are getting wasted. apart from raza hassan , i cant remember who was the last young spinner that played for Pakistan in any format let alone tests.
yasir shah should be included soon in the test line up. he is a good bowler, can hold a bat and a very good fielder.
 
PAK was the worst fielding side - BY FAR, that includes BD & IRL. I think, few months back there was thread on this & combined (Test & LO) PAK score for me was probably 3.5/4 (NZL top with 9.5, & BD second last with 5/5.5) - still PAK is the worst, BUT MARGINALLY. May be now I 'll give 5.

Lot's of posters 'll not like this, I know. 'll appreciate if posters can come up with proper arguments on 7 aspects of fielding

1. Fitness, stamina, endurance & physical flexibility
2. Catching ability
3. Ground fielding
4. Throwing ability
5. Fielding intelligence
6. Enjoyment while fielding
7. Fielding synergy - whole team as a part of fielding unit complementing each other.

Under JF, PAK has improved lot on every aspects, but for one single point, PAK is the worst fielding side, had been since I am watching & 'll remain forever (unless it's changed) - Approach to fielding. Biggest bluff of PAK poor fielding effort is the ground condition, hard & scratchy fields - guys, I come from subcontinent as well. In late 80s/early 90s when I started watching cricket the West Indians, Lankans, Zimbabwean even the Kenyans were stunning fielders - & they learned the tricks on grounds/beaches compared to which PAK grounds are like billiard tables. & I am waiting for an intellectual to explain me what the field condition has to do with PAK fielders dropping dollies at everywhere - mid on/off/wicket, point, cover, slip, skier on boundary .... where not.

The reason -

PAK as a whole Nation, don't value fielding, don't appreciate good fielders, always try to find an excuse for poor fielding & don't make fielding scale-able (It's not a selection criteria, dropping catches don't hurt PAK, it's taken as part of the game). Otherwise, on his fielding merit only, Fawad Alam would have played over 200 ODIs by now.

good post.
but dont u think guys like fawad , shehzad, umar akmal, hafeez, afridi, wahab, anwar, younis the fielder and even misbah (basically the whole new look of the team) make the team comparable to the other good fielding sides. a couple of years back we had farhat, asad, azhar, kamran etc who were extremely poor fielders and catchers.
 
^^

Indeed PAK has improved in fielding in last few years - problem is they were lagging so much behind that the improvement has just closed the gap. Regarding the personal level improvement, I think even 10 years back PAK had some brilliant individuals (YK, Malik, Inzi in slips, Sami, Afridi, Nazir ...). Problem isn't the individuals, problem is in consistency. In just 2 days time PAK can have a brilliant to horrible day, even in a match after a couple of great catches, you 'll find a dolly dropped. Most top fielding sides also drop catches, but they often makes up with a stunning one - most importantly, they never allow a drop catch to affect rest of the match. Often you 'll see AUS, SAF, SRL take a stunning catch to get one of the major batsman out, while you 'll be surprised to count the amount of runs, Sanga, Viru, Panting, Kallis, Gilchrist or Tendulkar has scored after being dropped by a PAK fielder.

And I keep telling that problem is in the amount of importance PAK as a whole puts on fielding is the root cause. See, by this time probably most posters do realize that I read a lot. This summer, IND had a pathetic catching tour in ENG & that has been blasted all over IND, in every article, every forum, every blog. I am sure something is going to happen in Indian catching or few people 'll loose their job. TRUST ME, compared to what PAK fielders did in 2010 NZL, AUS & ENG tour (when Asif & Aamir were bowling good enough to blow a side in a session) this Indian side were saints. I can safely bet, Indians didn't drop that many in 5 Tests, what PAK fielders did in 1st & 3rd Test in NZL 2010 individually - yet I never heard/read of anything regarding PAK catching!!

PAK senior cricketers keep blasting the bowlers, batsmen & the poor fellow KAkmal, but I have never heard any expert blaming catching. From PM at Islamabad to Karachi street beggar, everybody kept blasting YK & Misbah for the loss at Mohali; but buddy, you don't win a WC SF dropping 5 dollies of a man who finished with 49 ODI Hundreds & 18,000+ runs (& that man 8 years back blasted once more at Centurian, after being dropped of a dolly on 20 or so). I have heard former PAK greats (don't want to put names) spouting idiocy like, "do, tin catches to gir saktay hai, girna nahi chaiay jarur but uo to part of game, lakin bowlers ko....karna ..., batsman ko..."

I can recall one more instance - Aisa Cup 2010. PAK put 267, which is a difficult target at Dumbula on D/N. But this target was cut 30 runs short by 3 outstanding piece of fielding by Indians (Viru & Kohli took 2 stunning catches at slip & Butt on 70+ was ran out brilliantly by Jaddu). During Indian chase, 2 dollies were dropped of MoM Gambhir & Rohit; later someone missed a run out from 4 yards with batsman (Reina ??) 3 yards short. Akhter was unfortunate to be slogged a pair of SIX by Bhajji & I heard the jokers after match for at least 30 min. - they kept blasting Akhter, Aamir, even Ajmal for bowling poorly & UAkmal, Malik for getting out wrong time. But, can't recall anyone ever mentioning once that the gap of that match was 2 teams' fielding (& these people played over 10/15 years of International Cricket).

Unless, after defeats like the Gale Test, along with inept batting, Misbah's Captaincy, bowlers failure, DROP CATCHES of Sangakara isn't blasted equally, PAK 'll remain the fielding laughing stalk of world cricket.

Sorry for my long post.
 
seeing the match today one can safely say it has improved a lot
 
Hafeez has dropped some 50% of the catches over past two years

This Stat was running on TV during Asia Cup.

Show me exactly where / how the TV Channel has obtained this statistic. As far as I am aware, unless you are able to identify each and every chance from each and every game, a statistic such as that is simply "made up" by the broadcaster as they know that there is no way to actually confirm or deny it ! (when you realise that there are different broadcasters for different series and no recognised central fielding statistical standardised data collected, it seems easy to to see how this kind of statistic is simply created by unscrupulous broadcasters to wow their tv audience with so called "knowledge" !!! )
 
Show me exactly where / how the TV Channel has obtained this statistic. As far as I am aware, unless you are able to identify each and every chance from each and every game, a statistic such as that is simply "made up" by the broadcaster as they know that there is no way to actually confirm or deny it ! (when you realise that there are different broadcasters for different series and no recognised central fielding statistical standardised data collected, it seems easy to to see how this kind of statistic is simply created by unscrupulous broadcasters to wow their tv audience with so called "knowledge" !!! )

Preach! :imran
 
PAK was the worst fielding side - BY FAR, that includes BD & IRL. I think, few months back there was thread on this & combined (Test & LO) PAK score for me was probably 3.5/4 (NZL top with 9.5, & BD second last with 5/5.5) - still PAK is the worst, BUT MARGINALLY. May be now I 'll give 5.

Lot's of posters 'll not like this, I know. 'll appreciate if posters can come up with proper arguments on 7 aspects of fielding

1. Fitness, stamina, endurance & physical flexibility
2. Catching ability
3. Ground fielding
4. Throwing ability
5. Fielding intelligence
6. Enjoyment while fielding
7. Fielding synergy - whole team as a part of fielding unit complementing each other.

Under JF, PAK has improved lot on every aspects, but for one single point, PAK is the worst fielding side, had been since I am watching & 'll remain forever (unless it's changed) - Approach to fielding. Biggest bluff of PAK poor fielding effort is the ground condition, hard & scratchy fields - guys, I come from subcontinent as well. In late 80s/early 90s when I started watching cricket the West Indians, Lankans, Zimbabwean even the Kenyans were stunning fielders - & they learned the tricks on grounds/beaches compared to which PAK grounds are like billiard tables. & I am waiting for an intellectual to explain me what the field condition has to do with PAK fielders dropping dollies at everywhere - mid on/off/wicket, point, cover, slip, skier on boundary .... where not.

The reason -

PAK as a whole Nation, don't value fielding, don't appreciate good fielders, always try to find an excuse for poor fielding & don't make fielding scale-able (It's not a selection criteria, dropping catches don't hurt PAK, it's taken as part of the game). Otherwise, on his fielding merit only, Fawad Alam would have played over 200 ODIs by now.

100% Agree on all points.

Valuing the IMPORTANCE of high quality fielding is the key to this entire issue.
If you select players who are weak at fielding but strong in their primary skill, don't complain when they drop catches.
We alone set the standards as to what is acceptable and what is not with regard to fielding.
If the standards fall at the senior level, it is only because those in charge are "willing to accept" as the players primary skill is rated highly.

Poor outfields don't help the situation, but as the famous sports psychology saying goes "Control the controllables" We cannot control if a field is bad, so just work around it. A "Can-Do" Attitude (from players / coaches / administrators) is also a big requirement.
 
100% Agree on all points.

Valuing the IMPORTANCE of high quality fielding is the key to this entire issue.
If you select players who are weak at fielding but strong in their primary skill, don't complain when they drop catches.
We alone set the standards as to what is acceptable and what is not with regard to fielding.
If the standards fall at the senior level, it is only because those in charge are "willing to accept" as the players primary skill is rated highly.

Poor outfields don't help the situation, but as the famous sports psychology saying goes "Control the controllables" We cannot control if a field is bad, so just work around it. A "Can-Do" Attitude (from players / coaches / administrators) is also a big requirement.

The problem in Pakistan Cricket is that we have some great fielders but they have pathetic averages with the bat and ball. And the guys with very good batting or bowling averages may not be that great in the field.
 
Best Fielding positions for each player

Sharjeel-Slip
Shehzad-Point
Hafeez-Slip/Gully
Misbah-Mid-on/Midwicket
Fawad-Cover
Maqsood-Outfield
Afridi-Mid-off
Ajmal-Square Leg
Wahab-Outfield
Junaid-Third man
Irfan-Fine Leg/Long off
Anwar-Long-on/Extra Cover
 
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The problem in Pakistan Cricket is that we have some great fielders but they have pathetic averages with the bat and ball. And the guys with very good batting or bowling averages may not be that great in the field.

Agree, however, the standard is set at the top, and then followed / created at grassroots. So if "Fielding is crucial to Team Pakistan" and we see high performance consistently, it is up to grass roots cricket in Pakistan to follow that lead. Unfortunately, there is the flaw in the plan. For that to work, you need a fully functioning, well managed domestic youth and adult cricket structure with clear pathways for young players from age group regional cricket, all the way through to Team Pakistan. Where selection criteria is dubious and unfathomable, players are not clear of exactly what standard is expected of them in all 3 skills, let alone fielding.
 
Agree, however, the standard is set at the top, and then followed / created at grassroots. So if "Fielding is crucial to Team Pakistan" and we see high performance consistently, it is up to grass roots cricket in Pakistan to follow that lead. Unfortunately, there is the flaw in the plan. For that to work, you need a fully functioning, well managed domestic youth and adult cricket structure with clear pathways for young players from age group regional cricket, all the way through to Team Pakistan. Where selection criteria is dubious and unfathomable, players are not clear of exactly what standard is expected of them in all 3 skills, let alone fielding.


Thanks JF. I had connections with some of the BD players you trained & I know how highly they appreciate your efforts. You see, the clue lies in the post of Savak - "The problem in Pakistan Cricket is that we have some great fielders but they have pathetic averages with the bat and ball. And the guys with very good batting or bowling averages may not be that great in the field".

I am sure you 'll be the first man to agree that fielding isn't a natural skill. You might not be a Rhodes or MWaugh by practicing only, but even a very average fielder can train himself into quite a good fielder, even at the age of mid 20s (which a Batsman or bowler can't). Problem in PAK is, once you start to bat/bowl well, you can skip fielding practices, you can get away with poor fielding/fitness & you can be casual with your on-field approach. Some of the best batsmen/bowlers in most other countries are great fielders as well, because they value it & most importantly, they enjoy fielding. Nobody 'll bother much in BD, if Sakib starts to be reluctant/poor in fielding, but I know (& you must as well), how much effort he gives on it.

Most of PAK players take fielding as a burden, the moment they start to perform, just stop bothering for fielding. I am telling this from the experience of several PAK players playing in Dhaka League - trust me, some of them had contract clauses that after a big score, they 'll not field. If you don't enjoy something, you start to falter under pressure or crisis - to me that's the prime reason of why PAK's fielding fluctuate so much, even within a match. You can force someone to do a task, but you can't force him to excel in it. It's not surprising that, the best fielder from PAK is a 40 years old man, who learned his cricket on the stony maidans of Peshawar, because Younus Khan loves to field, enjoys it - that's most important, you have to enjoy something to learn & perform.
 
[MERGED] The Rise of Pakistan's Fielding

I'm hesitant to make posts like we've seen here lately ("drop X player he stinks" and the player has a great match or "the dawn of a new Pakistan team" and we lose a horrible match). But the one consistent improvement we've see in this side is the fielding. The benefit of the younger guys selected - Anwar Ali, Rizwan, Babar, Yasir - is that they give it all on the field. More senior players like Azhar, Malik, and Hafeez are generally pretty sure and give good effort out there, as does Shehzad. Right now the only poor standouts are Rahat and Irfan, and I imagine with Amir coming back eventually one of them will be replaced.

So - is this the start of a unit that puts real emphasis on fielding and fitness? Should we continue to select someone like Anwar Ali for his fielding over someone like Irfan down the road, ie perhaps sacrifice bowling over fielding?

And is this post too premature? We've had hope for fielding improvement before and it's never materialized.
 
Agreed. Just 2 bad fielders rahat and irfan. Otherwise everyone else is great!
 
This is one thing that makes me really glad. Finally we have a team that looks like a proper fielding unit.

With Wahab waiting in the wings and replacing one fast bowler, it will get better in the immediate future. Rizwan definitely has been surprising to say the least.

Good signs and also, good job coaching staff.
 
You can have four/five exceptional fielders but if you have grand liabilities like Irfan and Rahat, you will never be a considered a quality fielding unit. Good thing is that one of them would be replaced by Wahab (preferably Irfan, he is a spent force).
 
Yes I think it is! Fielding is so important in the modern game! It can put opposition under so much pressure especially in tight situations like chasing! Rizwan and Babar have been more than impressive! As much as I don't like Shehzad he is a good fielder. Irfan I can forgive since he's very tall and must be very hard for him. The only fielder with no excuse is Rahat Ali!
 
Azhar ali dropped a catch today. Normally a safe catcher.

Anyways only irfan and rahat are liabilities in the field now. Others are all good. Irfan will be replaced by wahab though and rahat by amir.
 
Azhar ali dropped a catch today. Normally a safe catcher.

Anyways only irfan and rahat are liabilities in the field now. Others are all good. Irfan will be replaced by wahab though and rahat by amir.

Agree, he absolutely should've had that. But at the same time, those occasional miscues happen on all sides (and definitely in Pakistan). But we overall have guys who can be considered generally safe catchers or high effort players.
 
Look man. Here is the issue. If you play a game and those two catches go to rahat or irfan then we are in for massive trouble. However yes catch taking probability is 9/11 which is good.
 
Rizwan and Anwar have lifted everyone


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Having a tight fielding unit really lifts the team up another notch. Replace Rahat and Irfan with Amir and Wahab and you have yourselves a mean machine ODI side. Anwar Ali and Rizwan will win games with that standard of catching.
 
Until recently Shehzad and umar were the only good fielder and now we have three exceptional fielders in Anwar, Rizwan and Shehzad. Malik has always been good fielder. India used to be like us but with newer generation like Kohli, Raina, Jadeja and Rehane, they are the best Fielding side in Asia and I hope ours will be at least 2nd best in near future.
 
Is Anwar Ali the first Pakistani cricketer to take catch like this ?

The way he dived forward and pluck the catch less than an inch from the ground while running, is not new for fielders from Australia, SA , NZ and some from WI, but have nevere seen someone from Pakistan doing this. He has done twice in two games now. Anyone remember any other Pak cricketer doing this before ?
 
I have seen both Umar Akmal and Yasir Shah take almost similar catches, but this effort of Anwar Ali was simply outstanding.
 
Yasir Shah is also a good fielder, even as good as Aussie, Saf standards. Rizwan has been exceptional though, MashaAllah
 
Umar Akmal took a few catches like this in the 2010 WT20 alone.
 
Aaqib Javed took a stunning catch like this one in the 92 world cup final against England and during those days fielding like this was completely unheard of and unseen from a Pakistani cricketer.
 
Rizwan took a flying catch though he landed outside boundry but it was a good effort.

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Can I see that picture?

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+Wahab- Good athlete, Has a good throw.

Good to see the new players coming thru being able to field.

Maybe its the strict training off Waqar paying off
 
Also I should add that good fielding breeds positivity in general. I'm trying to remember who, but one of the commentators was saying that the team was coming together well, had good chemistry together or he said they were getting on well (can't remember, someone please jump in). But regardless, everyone giving big effort in the field lifts the level of energy as well.
 
+Wahab- Good athlete, Has a good throw.

Good to see the new players coming thru being able to field.

Maybe its the strict training off Waqar paying off

I swear Pakpassioners are bipolar, once we lose matches pp'ers are asking for waqar's head and now all of a sudden pp'ers are praising him!
 
@ Freakcricket

Iv never asked for waqars head.

Every coach needs a bit of time to implement his ideas.


This time around Waqar has more power in the dressing room with Afridi and UA not being in the team.

I Can see him being more succesful this time around.
 
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