The root cause of match-fixing : Players don't make enough money

[CricketAnalyst]

First of all I want to clarify one thing: A) I am not assuming anyone cheated just yet. B) If they did, please do not interpret my post as justifying or mitigating their conduct. For example, extreme poverty can explain criminal theft, but not justify it and the same here.

Now, there is also match-fixing in football. Many top sides have been suspended, relegated and punished. However these people rigged matches to try and win. The reason no one rigs games to win is that in those sports players make money. Even in the weakest clubs in European football leagues, players make $30-35k a week. There is no chance to corrupt them.

Now in cricket; on typical matches like PSL games there will be approximately $100 MN wagered minimum on these games. Many of these players will be making maximum Rs 6/7 lakh PKR per year with no career security. Obviously they are a good target. Even rich ones like Sharjeel, who have made it to some degree won't make more 50 lakh PKR or 25 lakh INR in a year. Someone betting on a game, even some third tier bookie in some random city of India or Pakistan can make more in one match in their normal betting without any fix. Isn't this asking for trouble?

Now please don't compare player revenue with average persons and say he should be so happy to have it. Maybe he should, but cricketers are the people generating value and their payments are negligible compared to the gigantic revenues from the events. IPL revenues are STAGGERING. Thousands of crores are made from the event, but some players will get only 30 lakhs (and IPL is MUCH more fair to players than other leagues)

Is it fair that cricketers salary does not even equal to 4 or 5% of revenues generated, and can one realistically expect that there won't be fixing when an event is so popular that people want to wager billions of dollars on something but the person participating is in some cases just flat out poor?

 

[ExpressPacer]

No way. They make a lot of money. Especially the ones who play in PSL. Last year Ahmed Shehzad got a house that is now worth 2 Crore PKR in just one match. The man of the match was supposed to get it. Anyone could have gotten that. That is more than what people make in their entire careers in just one match. Then not to forget their sponsors.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

No way. They make a lot of money. Especially the ones who play in PSL. Last year Ahmed Shehzad got a house that is now worth 2 Crore PKR in just one match. The man of the match was supposed to get it. Anyone could have gotten that. That is more than what people make in their entire careers in just one match. Then not to forget their sponsors.

Any news source or anything you can link for that?

 

[MRSN]

money is the last excuse when Sharjeel made a deal with Leist 90 lakhs for just one tournament.

 

[Statsman]

Heard on news that a specific spot fix deal was worth 20 lakhs PKR. For the risk there is that's not much in comparison to what one can earn through PSL/ county contracts/ representing Pakistan.

And does one really need more and more money to keep one's moral compass facing north? If I don't earn well should I be stealing? No ways right?

On top of that we aren't talking about some bhookhe nanges here. These are professional athletes who earn much more than your average joe.

 

[Manager101]

The root cause is Betting.

No Betting = No bookies = No match fixing.

 

[MRSN]

a person belonging to middle class hardly earns 40-50k Pk rupees in Pakistan and these centrally contracted players make like 2 lakhs?or more per month?? and you are saying money is the reason.

 

[Saj]

Disagree strongly.

The amount of money the current crop of Pakistani players are making is much more than previous generattions. Add to that, the money they make from T20 leagues around the world.

Also Sharjeel Khan was due to make a huge amount of money from his county stint at Leicestershire.

These guys are greedy, very greedy, money-hungry. Most of them.

 

[Statsman]

The root cause is Betting.

No Betting = No bookies = No match fixing.

Lol. Betting is legal in England. How many English cricketers have been caught for fixing?

One can bet without influencing the result of a match or a delivery.

Root cause is lose morals, not betting.

 

[Manager101]

Lol. Betting is legal in England. How many English cricketers have been caught for fixing?

One can bet without influencing the result of a match or a delivery.

Root cause is lose morals, not betting.

Well, No betting would mean those with lose morale won't have the option of getting corrupted.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

a person belonging to middle class hardly earns 40-50k Pk rupees in Pakistan and these centrally contracted players make like 2 lakhs?or more per month?? and you are saying money is the reason.

No one is saying it is justified, so you are misrepresenting it, but money is definitely the thing.

It's just incredibly illogical to compare an elite celebrity's earnings with some average middle-class guy in Pakistan.

Pakistan players make very little relative to other country players and cricket players as a whole make very little compared to other sports when you look at revenue generated by cricket.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Disagree strongly.

The amount of money the current crop of Pakistani players are making is much more than previous generattions. Add to that, the money they make from T20 leagues around the world.

Also Sharjeel Khan was due to make a huge amount of money from his county stint at Leicestershire.

These guys are greedy, very greedy, money-hungry. Most of them.

To you and Statsman, lack of morals is a pre-requisite for doing this, but it's not a sufficient condition.

One cannot argue that it's only Pakistanis and a few Indians who lack morality. Or that cricketers are immoral, but football is upstanding.

The reality is that when players make such a small % of what money is made through the sport they play, this phenomenon will continue.

And again, definitely not arguing it is justified or that these players are not immoral; they definitely have been immoral/greedy (assuming convicted).

 

[Statsman]

No one is saying it is justified, so you are misrepresenting it, but money is definitely the thing.

It's just incredibly illogical to compare an elite celebrity's earnings with some average middle-class guy in Pakistan.

Pakistan players make very little relative to other country players and cricket players as a whole make very little compared to other sports when you look at revenue generated by cricket.

Doctors in India don't earn as much as doctors in US. What should they do?

 

[Statsman]

Well, No betting would mean those with lose morale won't have the option of getting corrupted.

What if some really passionate opposition fan who has nothing to do with betting offers you money to influence the game?

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Doctors in India don't earn as much as doctors in US. What should they do?

Dude nobody is saying this fixing was justified!

The point is player pay needs to be addressed from a spectator or administrator perspective or this will happen.

And as for doctors, people might choose to do something else, and then if doctors are valued market will raise their salaries, but it has nothing to do with this issue.

 

[Manager101]

What if some really passionate opposition fan who has nothing to do with betting offers you money to influence the game?

lol, those kind of people would be about 2-4%.

 

[Mamoon]

Root cause is greed. When you are greedy, you can never enough money.

 

[coy0607]

Root cause is greed. When you are greedy, you can never enough money.

Yep

Money is not the issue. Shoaib Akhtar said on tv the other day that even an average player like Khalid Latif makes 2crore+ a year, compared to something like 50 lakh for a 'spot fix'

Money isn't the reason. It's greed

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=135134]CricketAnalyst[/MENTION] someone also mentioned that Sharjeel comes from financially secure background

 

[Adil_94]

these players earn more than 95% of Pakistanis in a country like Pakistan cricketers are heroes for the impoverished awaam and Cricket can be a release from the day to day struggles. Also Sharjeel.is a centrally contracted player who had offers from multiple T20 leagues around the world in england and the caribbean he wasnt some poor kid from domestic who is earning pennies he was earning very good money more than enough to live a life of luxury in Pakistan. It was pure greed on his part. Khalid Latif is also back in the national team setup and plays PSL so no excuses

 

[ads101]

these players earn more than 95% of Pakistanis in a country like Pakistan cricketers are heroes for the impoverished awaam and Cricket can be a release from the day to day struggles. Also Sharjeel.is a centrally contracted player who had offers from multiple T20 leagues around the world in england and the caribbean he wasnt some poor kid from domestic who is earning pennies he was earning very good money more than enough to live a life of luxury in Pakistan. It was pure greed on his part. Khalid Latif is also back in the national team setup and plays PSL so no excuses

Khalid Latif wasn't exactly. He was back in T20s, but wasn't added to the ODI squad due to fitness. Which is why he didn't play in Aus either. Felt like it was also a matter of time before he was dropped from T20s due to fitness too.

Think management's view is he isn't fit enough for international cricket. It didn't look like Khalid had much international future.

 

[Slog]

Most of these players are paindoos

You think majority of these jahil guys would be doing anything worthwhile in their lives which would give them a significant revenue source if it weren't for cricket?

A guy like Asif or Amir would have been turning the tube wells on and milking cows in the Pind if they hadn't made it in cricket

Point is they are getting fair and clean money beyond amounts in their wildest dreams. The amount of money they make is likely multiples of what their fathers and grandads made in their lifetimes. So their is no reason for them to consider this to be less money or not enough

 

[wasimjunior]

The root cause is Betting.

No Betting = No bookies = No match fixing.

Its actually the opposite. If betting was legalised we wouldn't be seeing match fixing. Precisely why it happens in India/Pakistan/Dubai as opposed to the UK or Australia.

So actually you're very misinformed.

 

[contraman]

Its actually the opposite. If betting was legalised we wouldn't be seeing match fixing. Precisely why it happens in India/Pakistan/Dubai as opposed to the UK or Australia.

So actually you're very misinformed.

Yup, Betting should be legalised and regulated, it is the illegal betting syndicates which get into such activities. The countries like India and Pakistan get into morality based thinking to ban betting while people who want to bet, do bet with just a simple phone call or sms/whatsapp.

Just try to think with logic: who would you like to control the Multi- Billion dollar Indian betting market, a corporate listed on Bombay Stock Exchange like Tata, Birla, Ambani/Reliance or someone like Dawood Ibrahim or Chota Shakeel.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It's actually the opposite sir. The root cause of match and spot fixing are these leagues and the easy money they are getting. Bowling no balls or playing 2-3 dot balls as per the instructions of bookies will give them enough money. Surely these guys are earning more than the players of 80's and 90's? I am with PCB if they have started PSL to expose fixers and cleaning up Pakistan cricket than finding talent

 

[MMHS]

How much money will ensure players don't dirt hand?

 

[leatherface58]

Tell that to Zimbabwe or Sri Lanka whose players did not get paid for months in 2011 yet there was not one story about fixing from either of them.

 

[kamz]

root cause: cricket does not make money!!!.

The expenses are far higher than the revenues generated for the investors.

The players compare them to Indian players who get paid a lot, their thinking is that the board has a lot of money and does not pay them.

The board does not have the skillsets to negotiate the media rights or calculate the right model for investors/sponsors their rate of return.

The media that acquires the rights, does not promote cricket and there isnt a cohesive approach where the board and the broadcasters build up an attraction towards the sport

now in these situations, where the players get paid more yet below their indian counterparts, the board is fully strapped for cash and an investor which is trying to make his investment with some return.

Let me assure you even if players do not want to fix, they will be forced to!

 

[Square Drive]

You can never have enough money.

Human nature.

 

[Kitchlew]

Never could understand, why cricketers do fixing..
May be i am wrong but i dont think it is money.. How much money could he earn by fixing ? He had 70000 pound deal with english county..

Another good psl and he would have been playing all the leagues in the world Plus being a central contracted player and match fee combined, he was making tons of money..

I think they may do it for the thrill of it, the thrill of doing something illegal and getting away with it.

 

[jusarrived]

This was probably a good reason in 90s or before that when there was not much money in the sport , not an excuse anymore .

 

[sjahmed23]

Root cause: no morals in corruption and players doing wicked things off the field and getting blackmailed

 

[spade]

That's a flawed argument, the salary they earn shouldn't be compared with other sports or countries, it should always be with respect to Pakistan's average income and i am quite certain their earnings fall under the top bracket.

 

[HateKiller]

The root cause is Betting.

No Betting = No bookies = No match fixing.

I agree. It is not about greed. These bookies threaten and pressurize players. Players need security and guidance.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Pure BS.

Azhar had a fleet of fancy cars when he fixed, Jadeja was from a royal family, Sreesanth was on a contract worth crores, each of the Ranji guys was making 40-50 lakhs eay in their careers.

Personal moral values and greed for easy money are the only driving factors.

 

[MMHS]

Most cases, I have seen players doing it from bad company. Bookies work like bringing one by one in the club & they use their trusted long term members to scout new members.

Say, in a country/team, there are 25 players in roster. 2 or 3 of those are under payroll of bookies (which can be Board officials or Tournament organizers/club owners as well). These group will target 2/3 top players - observe them & gradually take them to a point of no return - it can be in exchange of a small favor in terms of money, women, casino cards, tour package, gifts etc.....

Then, they won't ask those players for a major crime at first time; rather it's like small damage - leaking team information, team tactics, playing XI, toss strategy..... then a little personal - fake injury, drop catch, get himself get run out. What they do is for each of such fixes, they pay/favor the player & keep records/evidence for future black mailing. After few months, there is only two options left for the player - either get paid for following instructions or get exposed & risk career.

Last phase starts with smaller individual targets, mostly for spot fixing - getting out for a specific run or drop a catch. Later, those who are trusted, influential & automatic choice in the team are given major targets - get someone run out or play slow enough to lose a match or bowl under per, concede extras or change batting order. By fixing, one can only under perform - that's one can get injured or bowl 8/9 wides to drop vital catch or get out for low scores. Finally, those who show great potential in terms of fixing things & cover the story as well as trusted are recruited for future hiring.

Banning players or punishing them won't stop it - players are just pawns. Many cases, their agents are the middle man & these players are often forced to follow "small" instructions. Also, there is a pool of players lined up if one gets caught, because each of them are subject to black mail. If corruption is to eradicated from the game, ICC has to start from top - banning few players won't solve the issue, neither pouring money.

 

[Swanny]

Greed would be my answer. It's the same thing that was a major cause of global recession in 2008.

 

[moghul]

Is there any PPers thinks he is getting enough money?

 

[Madplayer]

Most cases, I have seen players doing it from bad company. Bookies work like bringing one by one in the club & they use their trusted long term members to scout new members.

Say, in a country/team, there are 25 players in roster. 2 or 3 of those are under payroll of bookies (which can be Board officials or Tournament organizers/club owners as well). These group will target 2/3 top players - observe them & gradually take them to a point of no return - it can be in exchange of a small favor in terms of money, women, casino cards, tour package, gifts etc.....

Then, they won't ask those players for a major crime at first time; rather it's like small damage - leaking team information, team tactics, playing XI, toss strategy..... then a little personal - fake injury, drop catch, get himself get run out. What they do is for each of such fixes, they pay/favor the player & keep records/evidence for future black mailing. After few months, there is only two options left for the player - either get paid for following instructions or get exposed & risk career.

Last phase starts with smaller individual targets, mostly for spot fixing - getting out for a specific run or drop a catch. Later, those who are trusted, influential & automatic choice in the team are given major targets - get someone run out or play slow enough to lose a match or bowl under per, concede extras or change batting order. By fixing, one can only under perform - that's one can get injured or bowl 8/9 wides to drop vital catch or get out for low scores. Finally, those who show great potential in terms of fixing things & cover the story as well as trusted are recruited for future hiring.

Banning players or punishing them won't stop it - players are just pawns. Many cases, their agents are the middle man & these players are often forced to follow "small" instructions. Also, there is a pool of players lined up if one gets caught, because each of them are subject to black mail. If corruption is to eradicated from the game, ICC has to start from top - banning few players won't solve the issue, neither pouring money.

That also explains how team information gets leaked to the media prior to the match?

You think officials in administration might be involved too because team reports get leaked as well to the media??? I mean the bookies and similar crooks can always squeeze information from these officials and sell it to media channels.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

You can never have enough money.

When you increase the money, the wants go from just having a house to having a house in Montecito.

It goes from just having the New Honda Civic to having the New Ferrari Spyder.

OP I am sorry, if your solution is more money, then it will continue to grow like an octopus.

 

[JaDed]

It's actually the opposite sir. The root cause of match and spot fixing are these leagues and the easy money they are getting. Bowling no balls or playing 2-3 dot balls as per the instructions of bookies will give them enough money. Surely these guys are earning more than the players of 80's and 90's? I am with PCB if they have started PSL to expose fixers and cleaning up Pakistan cricket than finding talent

No its not,these are the same leagues where a genuine cricketer who is not good enough to make it to national 11 will actually get financially secure if he works on certain set of skills.

 

[super hitter]

Any news source or anything you can link for that?

the man of the match award in PSL is way too much than the other leagues,

they don't have any such issues, they earn more than they would've thought. Its just the greed for 'a little more '

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Lol no, have you ever heard the name of Azhar, Jadeja and Sreesanth?

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Root cause is greed.

 

[Tekcirc]

Disagree strongly.

The amount of money the current crop of Pakistani players are making is much more than previous generattions. Add to that, the money they make from T20 leagues around the world.

Also Sharjeel Khan was due to make a huge amount of money from his county stint at Leicestershire.

These guys are greedy, very greedy, money-hungry. Most of them.

Are you saying the previous generations were spotless, clean !! Previous generation of Pakistan is no example to be used against match fixing.

 

[Couch Cricketer]

Actually the reason for corruption in pakistan cricket is the same reason as corruption in Pakistan society itself. We have corruption in all walks of life and now we are used to it expecting cricketers to be saints when we elect the most corrupt people to rule us is idiotic.

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[Tekcirc]

Actually the reason for corruption in pakistan cricket is the same reason as corruption in Pakistan society itself. We have corruption in all walks of life and now we are used to it expecting cricketers to be saints when we elect the most corrupt people to rule us is idiotic.

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When the rebellious and prima donnas who undermine authority and take pride in their indiscipline are hailed as heroes by the masses, what can the board do?

 

[Manager101]

Its actually the opposite. If betting was legalised we wouldn't be seeing match fixing. Precisely why it happens in India/Pakistan/Dubai as opposed to the UK or Australia.

So actually you're very misinformed.

Do you really think in country like Pakistan, legal betting would work ? Considering the level of corruption in our government institution, the legal bookies would only need to give commission to the govt. officials and then you will see how they would ignore any issues with match fixing, etc.

In Sub-continent, the only solution is if Police raid those illegal betting places/bookies and then issue severe punishments to cause fear who even think about doing that. Secondly I am sure our police knows each and every illegal activity taking place here but unfortunately, even our Police is extremely corrupt and I don't expect they will be able to do anything.

In chess terms, Cricketers are only the pawn, the real deal are King, Bishops, Queen and Knights i.e "Bookies, Police, Agencies, Pak authorities".

 

[CricketAnalyst]

That's a flawed argument, the salary they earn shouldn't be compared with other sports or countries, it should always be with respect to Pakistan's average income and i am quite certain their earnings fall under the top bracket.

That's absurd logic.

Sharjeel Khan's peer is not some dude driving an auto-rickshaw in Karachi, it is Rohit Sharma or KL Rahul.

How will you feel if someone is equally good as you but makes Rs 60 Cr and you make Rs 2 Cr?

This is basic human instinct.

And for the 874863864916461746456th time: I am NOT saying that JUSTIFIES this. I'm saying that it's the reason, and as long as this disparity is there, this will continue.

 

[Saj]

Are you saying the previous generations were spotless, clean !! Previous generation of Pakistan is no example to be used against match fixing.

or previous generation of Indian players either eh.

 

[Saj]

No excuse at all.

If they aren't happy with the money they are earning, then go and do another job.

 

[MMHS]

That also explains how team information gets leaked to the media prior to the match?

You think officials in administration might be involved too because team reports get leaked as well to the media??? I mean the bookies and similar crooks can always squeeze information from these officials and sell it to media channels.

Players have very little to do - a small mistake will take them to bigger crime gradually. I agree that root cause of fixing is money, but not for players They are just spitted few bones of the whole dish - a top cricket clash results over billions in grey market transaction, players taking part are paid not even in millions.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

No excuse at all.

If they aren't happy with the money they are earning, then go and do another job.

No one is saying this is an excuse.

What people are saying is:

a) They aren't paid enough.

b) Average Pakistani is not a good comparison.

C) Look at how much cricketers make vis-a-vis revenue from cricket.

D) If this disparity isn't solved, this problem will continue.

E) If it is solved, problem will stop. Note how Indian national team or pro footballers don't have this.

 

[HeavenOrHell]

Absolutely wrong. Players in Pakistan make 3 lakhs basic on average per match and that is the amount a PhD scholar gets after working for a month in a top university. Compared to the rest of Pakistan, these guys are one percent of the population who are crazy-rich. The only problem is, even if you give a man gold-filled in a valley, he will want another valley full of gold. You have to control yourself and this is no excuse.
Another excuse we give is lack of education. I'm sorry but the most corrupt people in the world are actually the most educated in the world. Systematic corruption throughout the world is common among rich 'educated' people.

There are only 2 way to fix this issue. 1. Danda of authorities. 2. Fear of God.

 

[HeavenOrHell]

I remember seeing Hafeez in Bentley and trust me, nobody in Pakistan owns bentley except about 1 percent of our population. These guys are filthy rich. In the same bracket as Politicians and Waderas and people who make money through corrupt means yet they want more money...filthy rich compared to Pakistani people. Amir had houses in Defense after playing 2 years. People can't afford to live there even after spending years earning. Irfan who was from a village is making money he would never have imagined in his lifetime. Greed still gets the better of them..

I knew a friend who played the U19 world cup this year and right after he came back to Pakistan, he bought a new car worth 10 plus lakhs and who is he? just a squad player. Stop comparing these guys to outer world because they live in Pakistan and are able to afford nearly everything they want. Indian players make money which can be compared to Bollywood and Industrialists. These guys are way above our normal actors and Industrialists.

 

[Saj]

No one is saying this is an excuse.

What people are saying is:

a) They aren't paid enough.

b) Average Pakistani is not a good comparison.

C) Look at how much cricketers make vis-a-vis revenue from cricket.

D) If this disparity isn't solved, this problem will continue.

E) If it is solved, problem will stop. Note how Indian national team or pro footballers don't have this.

Absolute nonsense. The money these guys make is excellent by Pakistani standards. They live comfortably and very well. They are looked after very well, spoilt, pampered. It's greed that takes over.

Azharrudin, Sreesanth etc not Indian these days?

 

[Adil_94]

indian players who are making megabucks in the IPL have fixed so this whole they dont get paid enough so they resort to cheating is a myth. If it was associate players or Zimbo or Afghans doing this then that would make sense because they are paid a pittance when it comes to players of main Test playing nations especially now with the rise of T20 leagues to supplement their incomes. Its a matter of greed and corrupt mentality and shortcut culture which runs rife in SC which is why theres no surprise SC players are caught up.in fixing the most.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

The kind of money stars get playing for their countries and now these leagues. There will always be someone who will get more, where do you stop? You can't pay everyone the same money.

Greed has no limits.

Frankly a ridiculous excuse.

 

[godzilla]

its not about the money, and its not about the sentence even. as someone pointed out in another thread, corruption has been rife in the ipl even after the life time bans of azharuddin etc - the real reason for it is that the nation, its fans, and its media have no sense of self respect when it comes to criminality, corruption and treason. the widespread acceptance of the trio was worsened by the fact that they were treated like victims, martyrs and celebrities.

the same mentality has allowed the governments in power to have sustained their kleptocracy.

if the trio were socially castigated, rejected, vilified and ostracised instead, that sense of shame and self respect would be far greater a deterrent than a temporary ban and or fine which the past year or so has shown us is so eagerly forgotten.

when culturally you so readily accept, ignore and celebrate corruption - there is no disincentive to fix.

 

[Couch Cricketer]

Absolutely wrong. Players in Pakistan make 3 lakhs basic on average per match and that is the amount a PhD scholar gets after working for a month in a top university. Compared to the rest of Pakistan, these guys are one percent of the population who are crazy-rich. The only problem is, even if you give a man gold-filled in a valley, he will want another valley full of gold. You have to control yourself and this is no excuse.
Another excuse we give is lack of education. I'm sorry but the most corrupt people in the world are actually the most educated in the world. Systematic corruption throughout the world is common among rich 'educated' people.

There are only 2 way to fix this issue. 1. Danda of authorities. 2. Fear of God.

The avg phd will get paid well into his sixties a cricketer will earn till maybe he is in his early thirties that is if he does not career ending injury. Cricketers specially our uneducated cricketers have a change to play international cricket for maybe 5-6 years after that they are gone so try to earn by hook or crook as much as possible.
Comparing sports people and what they earn in decade to some who will earn for 3-4 decades is a wrong comparison. The only way corruption can truly end in pakistan cricket is if first class players are paid a lot more so that when they reach international cricket they dont feel that they have to earn as much as possible now. And first class cricketer are given incentives to educate themselves and learn a trade for life after cricket.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Absolute nonsense. The money these guys make is excellent by Pakistani standards. They live comfortably and very well. They are looked after very well, spoilt, pampered. It's greed that takes over.

Azharrudin, Sreesanth etc not Indian these days?

Azharuddin was before the T20 boom and Sreesanth is actually an ongoing case in Court. He denied all allegations, and I'm not saying just for the sake of arguing but having genuine knowledge the case against him is weak.

 

[adil_909]

Nobody ever thinks they are making enough money. It is a normal human emotion. But the problem in places like India and Pakistan is that there is no respect for rule of law. Everyone thinks they are the king, and they have a right to get ahead by any means necessary. From top politicians to lowly government workers, bribery and deceit has become a way of life. Have we forgotten the words of Mr. Jatoi from PPP, who so eloquently said, "Corruption pey hamara haq hai"? When surrounded by this insanity, why is it surprising that cricketers would not get caught up in it? We need to go and take a good hard look in the mirror. If you see someone who him or herself, or comes from a family who has ever given or taken rishwat, paid off a police officer, failed to pay taxes, forged documents, or used any other immoral shortcut to get ahead, then we are the problem. We are the root cause. And until we fix ourselves and our families, these sorts of things will continue to happen, and Pakistani society will continue to slowly decay.

Yes I know fixing is not only an Indian or Pakistani problem, but my answer was directed at the root cause for why this happens to our players, not in general.

 

[Hasan123]

They are making enough money.

 

[Sadevdesai]

The players may not make enough money from Cricket .... that may be so. But then, I don't make enough money from my day job .... should I go and knock off a Bank ????

 

[hitthestump]

It's basic greed and a lack of morals. Corruption is a daily event in Pakistan, so I'm not surprised that some cricketers don't feel they ought to abide by the laws when personal gain is at stake. It's got nothing to do with a lack of money in the system, cricketers earn plenty at this level.

It's not every Pakistani, but we seem to have more than our fair share of dishonest individuals for some reason.

 

[Gunner85]

Root cause is greed. When you are greedy, you can never enough money.

100% agree with this.If someone is greedy you can't satisfy him with any amount of money

 

[Madplayer]

Looks like sharjeel had started small time fixing way back in domestics when he was a nobody and wasn't earning much. The mafia had recorded evidence all along and after becoming a big player, sharjeel wasn't allowed to take an exit even if he wanted to.

So does it all really come down to lack of money?? Players being enticed to fix for some extra cash when they are nobodies and then blackmailed to continue fixing when they become bigger players.

 

[Tekcirc]

Looks like sharjeel had started small time fixing way back in domestics when he was a nobody and wasn't earning much. The mafia had recorded evidence all along and after becoming a big player, sharjeel wasn't allowed to take an exit even if he wanted to.

So does it all really come down to lack of money?? Players being enticed to fix for some extra cash when they are nobodies and then blackmailed to continue fixing when they become bigger players.

If your past comes back to haunt you, who is to blame but you.

 

[Madplayer]

If your past comes back to haunt you, who is to blame but you.

Thats obvious. The action cannot be justified at all. Just trying to find the cause.

Some people called sharjeel an idiot to throw away everything he had by spot fixing but looks like he got involved in it when he had nothing.

 

[Stumper]

I don't think so. Let me clearify this.

Yes money is a factor which is essential in living a good life but if you look at other sports like CLUB Football in India / Santosh trophy State leagues where there is absolutely no money involved players try to play up to potential to go to the next level, which i guess in Pakistan is missing, here Any players comes into the team plays few games where he does good job & gets into the comfort zone, rather trying to excel.

Then gets droped from the team & cries foul.

All in all you need to change the mentality of player first. money is a secondary thing.

 

[Pakistanian]

Most of these players are paindoos

You think majority of these jahil guys would be doing anything worthwhile in their lives which would give them a significant revenue source if it weren't for cricket?

A guy like Asif or Amir would have been turning the tube wells on and milking cows in the Pind if they hadn't made it in cricket

Point is they are getting fair and clean money beyond amounts in their wildest dreams. The amount of money they make is likely multiples of what their fathers and grandads made in their lifetimes. So their is no reason for them to consider this to be less money or not enough

I thought Sharjeel Khan was from Hyderabad, which is a big city. You can't blame class, Salman Butt and Waseem Akram weren't poor either, and they both were from Lahore.

 

[Tekcirc]

Thats obvious. The action cannot be justified at all. Just trying to find the cause.

Some people called sharjeel an idiot to throw away everything he had by spot fixing but looks like he got involved in it when he had nothing.

So what's your point?

 

[Madplayer]

So what's your point?

Protect players in domestic cricket. Increase vigil there. They are more likely to be trapped there when they are nobodies and used later when they become stars. Maybe pour a bit more money in domestic cricket?

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Disagree,players are definitely not being under payed.The amount they receive is surely enough for their requirements and luxuries.It is the greed to get as much as they can what makes them to go for fixing activities.

 

[Statsman]

How much money does a 17 year old need?

When I was 17 I got 200 rs a month as pocket money from home. Some of my friends got more, some less.

 

[TahirFan]

Hansie Cronje was extremely wealthy.

 

[Madplayer]

How much money does a 17 year old need?

When I was 17 I got 200 rs a month as pocket money from home. Some of my friends got more, some less.

The 17 year old who has to feed his family or a regular 17 year old with no responsibilities?

 

[Statsman]

The 17 year old who has to feed his family or a regular 17 year old with no responsibilities?

Oh. My bad. Didn't know Aamir was the sole bread earner in his family. How were they surviving before he took up cricket?

 

[Madplayer]

Oh. My bad. Didn't know Aamir was the sole bread earner in his family. How were they surviving before he took up cricket?

I wasn't talking about amir. Any young player coming from a poor background is vulnerable to the bookies in the domestic circuit when he isnt earning much. This isn't a justification for the crime. Just a guess at what could be the reason.

 

[Statsman]

I wasn't talking about amir. Any young player coming from a poor background is vulnerable to the bookies in the domestic circuit when he isnt earning much. This isn't a justification for the crime. Just a guess at what could be the reason.

Of course I know you are not justifying as I know your stance on the issue.

However I would say a middling player who has little hope of making it to international level is more vulnerable than a supremely talented new entrant who has his entire career in front of him at 17.