The Rothschild Family

[Asim2Good]

there have been topic in time pass where we discuss about recent events. talking about politics , taking about religions.
But I haven't seen many ppl talking about Rothschild (And other families), who allegedly controls the world.
This family been around for more than 200 years and been sponsoring wars for last 2 years. they sponsor not only one side but on both sides.

this family is one who runs "Reserve Banking" in the world

read somewhere that In the year of 2000 there were seven countries without a Rothschild owned Central Bank:
Afghanistan
Iraq
Sudan
Libya
Cuba
North Korea
Iran

and in 2011, only 3 countries were without Privately owned Central Bank
Cube
North Korea
Iran

so just wanna know people opinion on this matter as Rothschild believed to be rischest family of this world.

 

[Asim2Good]

another interesting video

 

[Robert]

They don't control the world. In the Napoleonic War they backed Britain to win against France and Spain. They disinvested from Germany when the Nazis took over. Since then they have acted as fund managers. War is bad for business on that scale, because one side has to lose.

 

[Ind_Yeah]

Lot of people love conspiracies. But our Pak brothers take it to a different level!

 

[s28]

Unfortunately usually a grain of truth to some so-called conspiracy theories as whistle-blowers from likes of MI5 etc have demonstrated.

 

[sshakir411]

Lot of people love conspiracies. But our Pak brothers take it to a different level!

As a Pakistani I find this utterly embarrassing. Our people have a serious addiction to believe every Youtube video out there

 

[saeedhk]

As a Pakistani I find this utterly embarrassing. Our people have a serious addiction to believe every Youtube video out there

And every FB post.It is truly shocking!Pakistanis do not have the concept of independent research and verification.

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[Kashmirilion]

Rothschild Family

It's funny how Pakistani people take conspiracies on a different level yet all the conspiracy theories come from the conspiracy theorists in USA and Europe of whom are mainly white! Stereotypical much!! You are truly ignorant if you believe what we see in news is exactly how events transpire. There's always button pushers out there who make historical events take place


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[Ind_Yeah]

It's funny how Pakistani people take conspiracies on a different level yet all the conspiracy theories come from the conspiracy theorists in USA and Europe of whom are mainly white! Stereotypical much!! You are truly ignorant if you believe what we see in news is exactly how events transpire. There's always button pushers out there who make historical events take place


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Uh, People in USA and Europe have conspiracy believers on the fringe not the mainstream. Sure, since they have more access to technology, they can be louder about their beliefs.

But you are truly in denial if you don't see the tendency to readily buy into these conspiracy type theories about anything under the sun, amongst Pakistanis. Sure, you can shoot the messenger, but that won't really change the facts.

 

[Asim2Good]

They don't control the world. In the Napoleonic War they backed Britain to win against France and Spain. They disinvested from Germany when the Nazis took over. Since then they have acted as fund managers. War is bad for business on that scale, because one side has to lose.

if they don't totally control the world, then must be big big player along with likes of Rockefeller, Morgan etc etc?
what do you think about Gold and who really has it ?

 

[Asim2Good]

Lot of people love conspiracies. But our Pak brothers take it to a different level!

which conspiracy you are talking about here ?
1 : Existance of Rothschild family?
2 : or about ownership of state banks of different coutries ?
3 : or about their involvement in wars ?

 

[Robert]

if they don't totally control the world, then must be big big player along with likes of Rockefeller, Morgan etc etc?

I think that people like Murdoch are more influential than the Rothschilds and such, because they form opinions.

 

[Asim2Good]

I think that people like Murdoch are more influential than the Rothschilds and such, because they form opinions.

but then again, these big families will be involved in media too.
now a days you need media in hand to control the masses

 

[Finisher]

They don't control the world. In the Napoleonic War they backed Britain to win against France and Spain. They disinvested from Germany when the Nazis took over. Since then they have acted as fund managers. War is bad for business on that scale, because one side has to lose.

War is not bad business, if your supplying both sides with weapons.

Look at the biggest suppliers of weapons around the world.

USA.UK.Russia etc

These guys are also the leading "peacemaker" countries.

 

[Pakpak]

Lot of people love conspiracies. But our Pak brothers take it to a different level!

Much like our Indian brothers who believe every act of burping and flatulence in India is down to the ISI.

 

[sshakir411]

which conspiracy you are talking about here ?
1 : Existance of Rothschild family?
2 : or about ownership of state banks of different coutries ?
3 : or about their involvement in wars ?

the state/central banks are not owned by any family or individual. This is the biggest lie on the planet. A simple research on the Federal Reserve or any other central banking system in the world will make that clear.

 

[sshakir411]

War is not bad business, if your supplying both sides with weapons.

Look at the biggest suppliers of weapons around the world.

USA.UK.Russia etc

These guys are also the leading "peacemaker" countries.

The largest defense suppliers are not the governments of these countries. Rather corporations like Boeing, Martin Lockheed, BAE etcc... They don't share any profits with any governments.

 

[s28]

They get lots of R&D grants from Govt and thus contracts allow kickbacks. Also many Politicians get onto various advisory Boards or enjoy other kickbacks from Companies in form of dinners/trips etc. Didn't Zardari got his rep as Mr10% largely from brokering deals between Britain/BAe and Saudi?

 

[sshakir411]

They get lots of R&D grants from Govt and thus contracts allow kickbacks. Also many Politicians get onto various advisory Boards or enjoy other kickbacks from Companies in form of dinners/trips etc. Didn't Zardari got his rep as Mr10% largely from brokering deals between Britain/BAe and Saudi?

sure but that doesn't mean the entire Government is minting money and keeping the wars going to benefit themselves. There are personal interests and lobbies but that's in every business..kickbacks are far more prevalent in the financial services business than defense to be honest.

 

[Asim2Good]

the state/central banks are not owned by any family or individual. This is the biggest lie on the planet. A simple research on the Federal Reserve or any other central banking system in the world will make that clear.

isn't Govts. take money from State/Central banks and then have to return the money with interest back to central banks ?

listen from 1:14 onwards, this is congress of United States, if congress of USA is so hopeless against Fed, then don't think small countries have any chance against central banking.

below video about Audit of Federal Reserve

 

[sshakir411]

isn't Govts. take money from State/Central banks and then have to return the money with interest back to central banks ?

listen from 1:14 onwards, this is congress of United States, if congress of USA is so hopeless against Fed, then don't think small countries have any chance against central banking.

below video about Audit of Federal Reserve

No. Central Banks give out loans to all other banks in the country so they can lend to individuals and business. No where does the Federal Reserve give its own government a loan. Youtube videos aren't the truth, man.

 

[Asim2Good]

No. Central Banks give out loans to all other banks in the country so they can lend to individuals and business. No where does the Federal Reserve give its own government a loan. Youtube videos aren't the truth, man.

From where Govt. take money in need?
Above videos are from USA congress, not random youtube videos

 

[sshakir411]

From where Govt. take money in need?
Above videos are from USA congress, not random youtube videos

above videos are a series of questioning that the government did...the actual videos are 3 hours long and I've seen them when they happened live. Cutting out single answers without context doesn't make it valid.

To answer your first question: Printing. Government has the power to print money, and can raise money simply by creating it.

 

[youboy]

above videos are a series of questioning that the government did...the actual videos are 3 hours long and I've seen them when they happened live. Cutting out single answers without context doesn't make it valid.

To answer your first question: Printing. Government has the power to print money, and can raise money simply by creating it.

Not talking about other governments but about American government, If printing money is in its power why they dont print 19 trillion dollars and pay out the national debt? Another question is why there is a national debt in first place when they control money in their country?

 

[sshakir411]

Not talking about other governments but about American government, If printing money is in its power why they dont print 19 trillion dollars and pay out the national debt? Another question is why there is a national debt in first place when they control money in their country?

Your first question tells me that you're not really familiar with monetary policy, finance, or economics. I'm short on time right now so instead of spelling it out, here are a few useful links to get started with:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/why-does-the-us-government-bor/

https://www.quora.com/Where-does-the-American-government-get-the-money-that-they-spend-from

https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/borrowing-and-federal-debt/

http://www.marketplace.org/2013/10/...ceiling/who-does-us-actually-owe-167-trillion

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/kids/what/what_borrow.htm

The first 2 to 3 links should answer the questions you asked.

Thanks.

 

[Chrish]

It was said that rothchilds could buy stuff that emperors couldn't afford

All being said it's all conspiracy theories good for fiction reading

 

[sshakir411]

It was said that rothchilds could buy stuff that emperors couldn't afford

All being said it's all conspiracy theories good for fiction reading

they deff are extremely wealthy...some of their mansions are jaw dropping. I'm sure they must've financed some governments back in the day (pre WW1), they are known as the founders of banking, but to say they control everything and are the puppet masters is the biggest fairy tale ever

 

[Chrish]

they deff are extremely wealthy...some of their mansions are jaw dropping. I'm sure they must've financed some governments back in the day (pre WW1), they are known as the founders of banking, but to say they control everything and are the puppet masters is the biggest fairy tale ever

Yeah they were immensely wealthy in the past.. But lot of it has been lost now by the wars and wealth being split among several descendants.. Some of rothchilds still have net worth in billions even today.

 

[bones]

Here are the facts.

The Rothschilds are the wealthiest family in the world bar none. Over generations the wealth has become distributed, but it is still there and in the family.

If anyone thinks they are not the wealthiest family in the world they're blind to the truth. The reality is 99% of the world's population are oblivious of the truth.

The Rothschild's were a nasty nasty piece of work, they got rich by lending to governments knowing full well that they would get the money back with interest. They knew that by lending to the governments they had security via the taxation of the public. They funded both sides of some of the most famous wars in history and they did it without any shame.

Over time the wealth has simply dispersed within the extended family.

Some of the figures brandished around are exaggerated, but you cannot dispute they're very wealthy and they are morally despicable creatures. Jews are allowed to charge interest of the "goy", it's no surprise then that they got wealthy that way.

 

[bones]

Yeah they were immensely wealthy in the past.. But lot of it has been lost now by the wars and wealth being split among several descendants.. Some of rothchilds still have net worth in billions even today.

The more wars there are, the wealthier they get. Quite simple and logical really.

Government's fight wars, they need money, they borrow from the Rothschilds. The Rothschilds charge interest on the borrowed amount.

It's impossible to get poorer with this strategy. Throughout history, governments were desperate for money most during wars.

 

[cricketjoshila]

above videos are a series of questioning that the government did...the actual videos are 3 hours long and I've seen them when they happened live. Cutting out single answers without context doesn't make it valid.

To answer your first question: Printing. Government has the power to print money, and can raise money simply by creating it.

Govt also raise money by Bonds etc.Sovereign debt.

These consipracy theories are nauseous.

 

[Spookiewookie]

Some of the figures brandished around are exaggerated, but you cannot dispute they're very wealthy and they are morally despicable creatures. Jews are allowed to charge interest of the "goy", it's no surprise then that they got wealthy that way.

surprised it took that long for someone here to blame the jews...

arent they behind everything? and the reason for your current state?

 

[bones]

surprised it took that long for someone here to blame the jews...

arent they behind everything? and the reason for your current state?

Who's blaming the Jews?

Fact 1: Rothschild was a Jew.
Fact 2: Jews are allowed to charge interest when lending money to "Goy".

It's not to say that only Jews charge interest, because they aren't the only ones. But of the major world religions, theirs is the only one that allows them to charge it. It's no wonder than that many of the leading bankers in the world are Jews or of Jewish background. The proportion of bankers that are Jews is not a balanced one.

Or are you going to tell me otherwise?

 

[Chrish]

The proportion of Jewish noble prize winners, proportion of Jewish billionaires and proportion of Jewish people in Hollywood is also not balanced

Does that mean only Jews are allowed to win noble prize, or become billionaires or become Hollywood actors or directors?

 

[Spookiewookie]

The proportion of Jewish noble prize winners, proportion of Jewish billionaires and proportion of Jewish people in Hollywood is also not balanced

Does that mean only Jews are allowed to win noble prize, or become billionaires or become Hollywood actors or directors?

Well said.

[MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION] - the two facts that you point out are indeed true - I don't however see the relevance of pointing out his religion in the context of the thread.

 

[bones]

Well said.

[MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION] - the two facts that you point out are indeed true - I don't however see the relevance of pointing out his religion in the context of the thread.

It's very relevant. His religion allows him to exploit others by means of usury. It means he had a headstart because at the time he was able to do something others weren't allowed for morally and religiously they would be in the wrong.

Religion in this case plays a huge part.

 

[Chrish]

Einstein won Nobel prize perhaps because he was smart, not because he was Jew

Spielberg is susscesdful director perhaps because he makes good movie, not because he is Jew

Similarly Rothschilds were successful businessmen perhaps because they were smart and knew how to take advantage of opportunities more than anyone else, not because they were Jew I reckon

 

[Spookiewookie]

It's very relevant. His religion allows him to exploit others by means of usury. It means he had a headstart because at the time he was able to do something others weren't allowed for morally and religiously they would be in the wrong.

Religion in this case plays a huge part.

I'm struggling to see the link.

Let's assume I am a practicing Jew & you want to borrow money from me.
I tell you that you have to pay me interest as it is allowed in my religion.
You tell me that it isnt allowed in your religion - say Islam.
I simply say - if you want to borrow money from me then you have to pay me the money back with interest.
The choice is yours.......

If you want something that I have you have to play by my rules.

The only headstart he & others like him probably had is a God gifted skill to make money and excel in other fields (@Chrish) - thank Allah for that.

 

[bones]

Similarly Rothschilds were successful businessmen perhaps because they were smart and knew how to take advantage of opportunities more than anyone else, not because they were Jew I reckon

To you that might be classed as successful, to the vast majority it would be classed as evil. Ask yourself the question, who ultimately suffered as a result of the green and nasty way of the Rothschild. I'll give you a clue, they were people who didn't have a lot of money and definitely not as much.

 

[bones]

The only headstart he & others like him probably had is a God gifted skill to make money and excel in other fields (@Chrish) - thank Allah for that.

Thank Allah in the same sentence as praising someone for charging interest? I think I'm going to ignore your comments from now on.

 

[bones]

If you want something that I have you have to play by my rules.

Whilst on a far grander scale that what I'm thinking the point is. If a poor man has little or no money and he wishes to borrow it, is it fair that he should pay ridiculous interest rates meaning he's working doubly hard and the rich man is not working at all for the extra money?

I guess the bottom line is, I am categorically against Usury and you don't care about it. However I accept it is now the way of the world and something needs to drastically change.

But whatever our thoughts regarding the matter, please don't use Allah's name to praise someone using this evil practise of usury.

 

[Spookiewookie]

Whilst on a far grander scale that what I'm thinking the point is. If a poor man has little or no money and he wishes to borrow it, is it fair that he should pay ridiculous interest rates meaning he's working doubly hard and the rich man is not working at all for the extra money?

Ridiculous amount = No

Why is the rich guy expected to offer loans without any strings attached? Sure - if he wants to be generous he can - but why the expectation?

By all means if you are against interest that is your prerogative - I would then assume that anything created as a result of borrowed money with interest would also therefore be haram.....

That being the case - how do you think the computer you are using right now, the internet, even electricity came into being......

I find your double standards convenient & comical.

As for your response on Allah - you don't have some special right to Him. I believe that He is the creator of all beings, all humanity, even a Jew - good and bad.

And BTW: I am not defending Rothchild - don't know enough about him to hold an opinion either way - so I don't want you to start accusing me of that in your next response

 

[sshakir411]

Govt also raise money by Bonds etc.Sovereign debt.

These consipracy theories are nauseous.

yep bonds is the preferred method to raise money. I was in a rush so just chose to give the guy a simple answer. The other links I provided actually explain the multiple ways governments raise finance. It's actually pretty good information for someone who wants to know how it's done. Pretty sure most Pakistanis will still say it's all made up to fool the awaam. This behavior of my fellow country men makes me cringe like no other.

 

[Spookiewookie]

[MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION] - Rothchild may well have been a nasty piece of work (who knows) - but to bring Judaism in as a reason is xenophobic

I'm perfectly fine if you choose to ignore my posts - that again is your prerogative.

 

[bones]

As for your response on Allah - you don't have some special right to Him. I believe that He is the creator of all beings, all humanity, even a Jew - good and bad.

Do you know what Allah has said about Usury? If you did, you wouldn't be using his name in such a way.

 

[Spookiewookie]

Do you know what Allah has said about Usury? If you did, you wouldn't be using his name in such a way.

Well, this is what HE said in the Old Testament and Torah.

You'll then get in an arm wrestle with a Jew as to who is right.

Personally I am happy with my belief that the Al Mighty Allah is the creator of everything & I don't subscribe to the divisive intolerant teachings of man made religions (we can leave that to another thread another time)

I'll look forward to your next response to see whether you still use Haram technology.

 

[Chrish]

PS I am no Rothchild cheerleader either.. Just didn't agree with religious reference.

 

[cricketjoshila]

yep bonds is the preferred method to raise money. I was in a rush so just chose to give the guy a simple answer. The other links I provided actually explain the multiple ways governments raise finance. It's actually pretty good information for someone who wants to know how it's done. Pretty sure most Pakistanis will still say it's all made up to fool the awaam. This behavior of my fellow country men makes me cringe like no other.

Try explaining to them that China owns the max share of US sovereign debt via bonds so using their analogy China owns America?

 

[youboy]

Your first question tells me that you're not really familiar with monetary policy, finance, or economics. I'm short on time right now so instead of spelling it out, here are a few useful links to get started with:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/why-does-the-us-government-bor/

https://www.quora.com/Where-does-the-American-government-get-the-money-that-they-spend-from

https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/borrowing-and-federal-debt/

http://www.marketplace.org/2013/10/...ceiling/who-does-us-actually-owe-167-trillion

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/kids/what/what_borrow.htm

The first 2 to 3 links should answer the questions you asked.

Thanks.

You didnot get my question right. Here I was asking about American Government. Federal Reserve who prints American Dollars is not an government entity.

Question here why American government and I think the only government in the world who cannot print their own money? From where they got in this huge debt of 19 trillion dollars. And why most of this debt is owed to Federal Reserve.

In America the group of bankers like Rothschild family with the help of the American government introduced fractional reserve banking where they were allowed to lend more than they actually had. The inflation happened because of this when they lent more money than what actually presnt in the system. It was easy for them because they were controlling the printing of money in America.

Read this

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/...merican-should-know-about-the-federal-reserve

 

[Yossarian]

From:
The Jewish Virtual Library website

About us:
The American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise (AICE) was established in 1993 as a nonprofit and nonpartisan organization to strengthen the U.S.-Israel relationship by emphasizing the fundamentals of the alliance — the values our nations share

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/about/index.shtml

19th and 20th centuries
Jewish banking in the 19th century begins with the rise of the house of *Rothschild in Frankfurt, a city which became the new banking center of Europe as a result of the political upheaval caused by the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars. The founder of the house (which became the symbol of the 19th-century type of merchant banking), Meyer Amschel Rothschild started as a banker to the elector of Hesse-Kassel. His sons rose to prominence as the major European bankers Amschel Mayer in Frankfurt, Solomon Mayer in Vienna, Carl Mayer in Naples, James Mayer in Paris, and Nathan Mayer in London. After the death of Abraham Goldsmid and Francis Baring in 1810, Nathan Rothschild became the dominant figure in the London money market. The majority of the English financial dealings with the continent went through the Rothschilds' offices. After the Congress of Vienna (1815) the Rothschilds extended their business into most European states, specializing in the liquidation of inflated paper currencies and in the foundation of floating public debts. In 1818 they made loans to European governments, beginning with Prussia and following with issues to England, Austria, Naples, Russia, and other states, partly in collaboration with Baring, Reid, Irving and Company. Between 1815 and 1828 the total capital of the Rothschilds rose from 3,332,000 to 118,400,000 francs.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0003_0_01978.html

Control the money and you control the media,
- indirectly (in the form of which media outlets are chosen by a company when placing ads for the company's products. No ads = no revenue for the media outlet).
- directly via ownership.

Control the money & control the media >>> you control the government and form the opinions of the masses (especially prior to the advent of the internet)

 

[cricketjoshila]

You didnot get my question right. Here I was asking about American Government. Federal Reserve who prints American Dollars is not an government entity.

Question here why American government and I think the only government in the world who cannot print their own money? From where they got in this huge debt of 19 trillion dollars. And why most of this debt is owed to Federal Reserve.

In America the group of bankers like Rothschild family with the help of the American government introduced fractional reserve banking where they were allowed to lend more than they actually had. The inflation happened because of this when they lent more money than what actually presnt in the system. It was easy for them because they were controlling the printing of money in America.

Read this

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/...merican-should-know-about-the-federal-reserve

Do you even know what Federal Reserve Act states?What is a central bank?Any idea?

 

[youboy]

Do you even know what Federal Reserve Act states?What is a central bank?Any idea?

Yes I think I know what a Central Bank is and what Federal Reserve Act states. I have been taught when I was kid that Central Bank is suppose to issue currency backed by gold.

Do you know that America is the only country where a Central Bank (Federal Reserve) is not an government entity but privately owned by a group of Bankers and which has never been audited. American government has to borrow money from Federal Reserve on interest.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...09/biggest-scam-in-world-history-exposed.aspx

President JF Kenedy started debt free money in the form United state Note backed by silver instead of Federal Reserve Note and his intent was to abolish the Federal Reserve. This stopped after his assasination.

http://www.infowars.com/debt-free-u...still-has-the-power-to-issue-debt-free-money/

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes I think I know what a Central Bank is and what Federal Reserve Act states. I have been taught when I was kid that Central Bank is suppose to issue currency backed by gold.

Do you know that America is the only country where a Central Bank (Federal Reserve) is not an government entity but privately owned by a group of Bankers and which has never been audited. American government has to borrow money from Federal Reserve on interest.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...09/biggest-scam-in-world-history-exposed.aspx

President JF Kenedy started debt free money in the form United state Note backed by silver instead of Federal Reserve Note and his intent was to abolish the Federal Reserve. This stopped after his assasination.

http://www.infowars.com/debt-free-u...still-has-the-power-to-issue-debt-free-money/

What you were taught as a kid was wrong.


Fed reserve system was set up by Fed reserve act and is a govt body.Country's central banks print money in most countries nothing extra ordinary in that.

Also all dollar notes are LEGAL TENDERS FOR PUBLIC OR PRIVATE DEBT and they are backed by ASSETS.This is called debt monetizing.Its not that $ is issued just like that.

And every country that has a budget deficit takes money on interest and that is handled through its central bank.

 

[youboy]

What you were taught as a kid was wrong.


Fed reserve system was set up by Fed reserve act and is a govt body.Country's central banks print money in most countries nothing extra ordinary in that.

Also all dollar notes are LEGAL TENDERS FOR PUBLIC OR PRIVATE DEBT and they are backed by ASSETS.This is called debt monetizing.Its not that $ is issued just like that.

And every country that has a budget deficit takes money on interest and that is handled through its central bank.

Dollar issued by Federal Reserve is backed by assets? If Federal Reserve is a government body why American govt borrow money from itself and pay interest through tax payers money.

If you want to believe that Federal Reserve is govt body and not a private body owned by the Bankers like Rothschild to control the money in America and then control the world's money through Petro Dollar and World Bank and IMF loans then it is upto you.

 

[sshakir411]

Yes I think I know what a Central Bank is and what Federal Reserve Act states. I have been taught when I was kid that Central Bank is suppose to issue currency backed by gold.

Do you know that America is the only country where a Central Bank (Federal Reserve) is not an government entity but privately owned by a group of Bankers and which has never been audited. American government has to borrow money from Federal Reserve on interest.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...09/biggest-scam-in-world-history-exposed.aspx

President JF Kenedy started debt free money in the form United state Note backed by silver instead of Federal Reserve Note and his intent was to abolish the Federal Reserve. This stopped after his assasination.

http://www.infowars.com/debt-free-u...still-has-the-power-to-issue-debt-free-money/

There's no proof of the Fed being owned by a "private group of bankers". It was founded by the Congress...but it's up to you what you want to believe. If you have valid proof this debate would be meaningful otherwise its pointless. Blogs, videos, articles don't hold any weight...a good place to start is the SEC filings of the Fed.

 

[Asim2Good]

above videos are a series of questioning that the government did...the actual videos are 3 hours long and I've seen them when they happened live. Cutting out single answers without context doesn't make it valid.

To answer your first question: Printing. Government has the power to print money, and can raise money simply by creating it.

which out on context you are talking about ?
quoting Ron Paul from that video:
"There are no true audits"
"Congress know nothing of the conversations, the plans in action taken in with other central banks.
we get less and less information regarding the money supply each year specially now that we dont have even access to M3 statistics. Role the Fed play in the president's secret working group on financial markets, those essentially unnoticed by congress.
The Federal Reserve show no willingness to inform the congress voluntarily about how often the working group meets, what actions it takes that effects the financial markets or why it takes these actions but all these actions are directed by the Federal Reserve.

 

[Asim2Good]

There's no proof of the Fed being owned by a "private group of bankers". It was founded by the Congress...but it's up to you what you want to believe. If you have valid proof this debate would be meaningful otherwise its pointless. Blogs, videos, articles don't hold any weight...a good place to start is the SEC filings of the Fed.

now this is from NatGEo
at 15:00, meeting with Ben Bernanke who is Federal Reserve Chairman
at 15:06, narrator say "he holds the reins to our central bank, an institution controlled by both public AND Private Sector

 

[Asim2Good]

What you were taught as a kid was wrong.


Fed reserve system was set up by Fed reserve act and is a govt body.Country's central banks print money in most countries nothing extra ordinary in that.

Also all dollar notes are LEGAL TENDERS FOR PUBLIC OR PRIVATE DEBT and they are backed by ASSETS.This is called debt monetizing.Its not that $ is issued just like that.

And every country that has a budget deficit takes money on interest and that is handled through its central bank.

are you saying the same thing which I am saying that govt. take loan from Central banks and pay them back WITH Interest?

 

[bones]

What you were taught as a kid was wrong.

Fed reserve system was set up by Fed reserve act and is a govt body.Country's central banks print money in most countries nothing extra ordinary in that.

Also all dollar notes are LEGAL TENDERS FOR PUBLIC OR PRIVATE DEBT and they are backed by ASSETS.This is called debt monetizing.Its not that $ is issued just like that.

And every country that has a budget deficit takes money on interest and that is handled through its central bank.

Actually what you were taught as a kid was wrong. Very wrong, so wrong it begs the question as to where you get your information. Probably from CNN and Wikipedia.

But here goes. The Fed Reserve is not a government body, it's a private insititution that is pretty much owned by the commercial banks. There's a reason why it's called the Banker's bank. The word Federal implies it serves the public's interest but it's as big a misnomer as you'll get. They serve predators of this monetary system. They prey unfortunately as is always the case happens to be the tax paying public. The average Joe who does his 9-5 shift.

If you think that the money they create is associated to real world assets then at this point you rally really need to start doing your research.

What in reality happens is this, they start off with 1000$ and borrow it to the government. They charge interest on this $1000 so let's for example say you pay back $1200. Out there in the real world there is only $1000 to begin with, so in order to pay off the interest, the government must "borrow" even more money, and of course you pay more interest on.

At this point I could go on and on about how flawed the financial system is, but I won't I'll summarise because I've got other things to do as well.

1. The money they borrow is not backed by real world assets, it's backed by thin air.
2. With the financial system as it is (to server the bankers and screw the public) there will always be debt. That debt will always grow.
3. The banks print money out of thin air and charge interest on it.

The financial system is run by crooks to serve crooks and if you think otherwise God help you.

 

[sshakir411]

which out on context you are talking about ?
quoting Ron Paul from that video:
"There are no true audits"
"Congress know nothing of the conversations, the plans in action taken in with other central banks.
we get less and less information regarding the money supply each year specially now that we dont have even access to M3 statistics. Role the Fed play in the president's secret working group on financial markets, those essentially unnoticed by congress.
The Federal Reserve show no willingness to inform the congress voluntarily about how often the working group meets, what actions it takes that effects the financial markets or why it takes these actions but all these actions are directed by the Federal Reserve.

now this is from NatGEo
at 15:00, meeting with Ben Bernanke who is Federal Reserve Chairman
at 15:06, narrator say "he holds the reins to our central bank, an institution controlled by both public AND Private Sector

As much as a like Ron Paul for being an honest worker in the state of Texas. The man has NO sense of how monetary policy works. He's ran for the election numerous times but never makes it anywhere, not because he is hated for speaking the truth, but because he really makes a fool out of himself when he talks about the economy. He is a medical doctor and has done good work in that area but he should not talk on topics he does not know.

Getting to the point, The Fed is audited by not one but three different stake holders. One is you regular outside auditor (Big4) who audits the financial statement (getting these guys to sign off on an incorrect audit report is next to impossible) , second is the OIG - Office of Inspector General - which independently audits the entire 12 Federal Reserve banks. The third is GAO- Government Accountability Office. The two audit reports from OIG and GAO are available online. I'd be willing to discuss any issues you find with these reports, provided you know the topic.

The NatGeo documentary is a good information source...but being the Chairman does not make you the owner...there are 12 Federal Reserve Banks across America with each having one President (person who runs the bank and determines policy)...each of the 12 presidents sit on the Board of the Federal Reserve and Ben Bernanke WAS the chairman of the board. The current chairman is a lady Janet Yellen. The role of the chairman is to oversee the the 12 branches, the chairman does NOT control day to day operations of any branch of the Fed. Also chairman is elected, never selected.

The Fed is known as an institution controlled by both public and private sector because it operates as an independent central bank. The decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive branch of the government. The entire System is subject to oversight by the U.S. Congress….the Fed works within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government.


I hope this was helpful. You can argue that there are a few people who might have their own agendas but when you have an elected body it becomes really hard to influence all sides. Also, if there was sufficient proof of the Fed fooling congress and being led by hidden masters...why does every developed and developing country follows the same structure? Please don't say there is a puppet master in each country following orders from the Rothschild. That would seriously be a waste of the time I've put in this thread.

We should be thankful to be living in a time where we have vast resources to find accurate information and cross check and validate those facts and research. If you try hard enough you will find your answers but don't be lazy and take someone's work (conspiracy videos, or shows like Alex Jones) as the entire truth.

Good Luck

 

[Asim2Good]

As much as a like Ron Paul for being an honest worker in the state of Texas. The man has NO sense of how monetary policy works. He's ran for the election numerous times but never makes it anywhere, not because he is hated for speaking the truth, but because he really makes a fool out of himself when he talks about the economy. He is a medical doctor and has done good work in that area but he should not talk on topics he does not know.

Makes a fool of himself ? just because he speaks against the system ?
same Ron Paul, about whom ppl of America are asking, why this guy is not out president in every of his video?
he may not have election, may b because of media did their "work" as per orders ? watch this video and let me know your comments

The NatGeo documentary is a good information source...but being the Chairman does not make you the owner...there are 12 Federal Reserve Banks across America with each having one President (person who runs the bank and determines policy)...each of the 12 presidents sit on the Board of the Federal Reserve and Ben Bernanke WAS the chairman of the board. The current chairman is a lady Janet Yellen. The role of the chairman is to oversee the the 12 branches, the chairman does NOT control day to day operations of any branch of the Fed. Also chairman is elected, never selected.

The Fed is known as an institution controlled by both public and private sector because it operates as an independent central bank. The decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive branch of the government. The entire System is subject to oversight by the U.S. Congress….the Fed works within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government.

Never said , Ben Bernanke was owner of Federal Reserve.

So now you agree that Federal Reserve is controlled by Private Sector too? as per you initial sayings that it's controlled by Govt.? so will you agree then the Govt. pay money back to Federal Reserve WITH interest? simply because private sector will not work if they lend US$100 to Govt and get back US$100 only.

same congress who is saying that they get less n less information about Federal Reserve operations ? and never got proper answers ?

I hope this was helpful. You can argue that there are a few people who might have their own agendas but when you have an elected body it becomes really hard to influence all sides.

there are other big players, thats for sure. like Morgan, Rockefeller etc. etc.

We should be thankful to be living in a time where we have vast resources to find accurate information and cross check and validate those facts and research. If you try hard enough you will find your answers but don't be lazy and take someone's work (conspiracy videos, or shows like Alex Jones) as the entire truth.

Good Luck

find accurate information and cross check? like we got accurate info before Iraq War for example?
I am pretty sure you will agree that how media of today control the masses, and common man can't have correct information if media don't want you to know. And there are many examples available out there.

 

[Spookiewookie]

As much as a like Ron Paul for being an honest worker in the state of Texas. The man has NO sense of how monetary policy works. He's ran for the election numerous times but never makes it anywhere, not because he is hated for speaking the truth, but because he really makes a fool out of himself when he talks about the economy. He is a medical doctor and has done good work in that area but he should not talk on topics he does not know.

Getting to the point, The Fed is audited by not one but three different stake holders. One is you regular outside auditor (Big4) who audits the financial statement (getting these guys to sign off on an incorrect audit report is next to impossible) , second is the OIG - Office of Inspector General - which independently audits the entire 12 Federal Reserve banks. The third is GAO- Government Accountability Office. The two audit reports from OIG and GAO are available online. I'd be willing to discuss any issues you find with these reports, provided you know the topic.

The NatGeo documentary is a good information source...but being the Chairman does not make you the owner...there are 12 Federal Reserve Banks across America with each having one President (person who runs the bank and determines policy)...each of the 12 presidents sit on the Board of the Federal Reserve and Ben Bernanke WAS the chairman of the board. The current chairman is a lady Janet Yellen. The role of the chairman is to oversee the the 12 branches, the chairman does NOT control day to day operations of any branch of the Fed. Also chairman is elected, never selected.

The Fed is known as an institution controlled by both public and private sector because it operates as an independent central bank. The decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive branch of the government. The entire System is subject to oversight by the U.S. Congress….the Fed works within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government.


I hope this was helpful. You can argue that there are a few people who might have their own agendas but when you have an elected body it becomes really hard to influence all sides. Also, if there was sufficient proof of the Fed fooling congress and being led by hidden masters...why does every developed and developing country follows the same structure? Please don't say there is a puppet master in each country following orders from the Rothschild. That would seriously be a waste of the time I've put in this thread.

We should be thankful to be living in a time where we have vast resources to find accurate information and cross check and validate those facts and research. If you try hard enough you will find your answers but don't be lazy and take someone's work (conspiracy videos, or shows like Alex Jones) as the entire truth.

Good Luck

very informative - thanks for posting.

unfortunately the keyboard warriors will be foaming at the mouth as a reaction to your post.

 

[Spookiewookie]

find accurate information and cross check? like we got accurate info before Iraq War for example?
I am pretty sure you will agree that how media of today control the masses, and common man can't have correct information if media don't want you to know. And there are many examples available out there.

disagree with this comment of yours - in a connected globalized world the common man has very good access (in civilized democratic countries) to different points of view - it is down to every individual to get off their backside and make an effort at least on issues that effect them.

 

[Asim2Good]

disagree with this comment of yours - in a connected globalized world the common man has very good access (in civilized democratic countries) to different points of view - it is down to every individual to get off their backside and make an effort at least on issues that effect them.

didn't said, ppl dont have access. All I am saying is media plays huge role in forming people's opinion.
And common man don't know facts IF media doesn't point them out. that why I give example of Iraq War which was based on lies through media.

 

[Spookiewookie]

didn't said, ppl dont have access. All I am saying is media plays huge role in forming people's opinion.
And common man don't know facts IF media doesn't point them out. that why I give example of Iraq War which was based on lies through media.

The Iraq war is a poor example - I was one of the 2M that marched against the war in London. There were plenty of public voices against the war at the time, you may also remember Dr D Kelly, the expert, poo pooing the dossier at the time and paid the price for it soon before the war.

Not all media is the same, the onus is on us to do our due diligence.

 

[Asim2Good]

The Iraq war is a poor example - I was one of the 2M that marched against the war in London. There were plenty of public voices against the war at the time, you may also remember Dr D Kelly, the expert, poo pooing the dossier at the time and paid the price for it soon before the war.

Not all media is the same, the onus is on us to do our due diligence.

but they still went ahead with war, didn't they ? and media did played huge role in the buildup, you can't deny that.
if media had given real facts (as it should be in civilized democratic countries), don't you think it would have been much harder for politicians/big players to go ahead with war than it was ?

 

[Spookiewookie]

but they still went ahead with war, didn't they ? and media did played huge role in the buildup, you can't deny that.
if media had given real facts (as it should be in civilized democratic countries), don't you think it would have been much harder for politicians/big players to go ahead with war than it was ?

My point is you can't tar all media with the same brush - there were plenty of outlets that were offering a different view and were posing many questions. Several MPs resigned over the decision (both Tory & Labour) - pre-war.

The System is not perfect but it is much better that many other countries.

Helps if you start to look at the glass half full....

 

[Asim2Good]

My point is you can't tar all media with the same brush - there were plenty of outlets that were offering a different view and were posing many questions. Several MPs resigned over the decision (both Tory & Labour) - pre-war.

The System is not perfect but it is much better that many other countries.

Helps if you start to look at the glass half full....

plz can you let me know those main media newspapers/channels who report reality on grounds and NOT just quoting govt officials and make them breaking news and present them as facts.

BTW MPs are not part of media

 

[Spookiewookie]

plz can you let me know those main media newspapers/channels who report reality on grounds and NOT just quoting govt officials and make them breaking news and present them as facts.

BTW MPs are not part of media

Sorry buddy - I actually do have the time but zero desire to dig up what happened many years back just to entertain this dialogue further - its doesnt interest me as much as it interests you.

Feel free to believe what you want - you seem hard wired to your way of thinking.

Never said the MPs were part of the media - All I will say is that the position / arguments of the MPs were reported in the media.

 

[Asim2Good]

Sorry buddy - I actually do have the time but zero desire to dig up what happened many years back just to entertain this dialogue further - its doesnt interest me as much as it interests you.

Feel free to believe what you want - you seem hard wired to your way of thinking.

Never said the MPs were part of the media - All I will say is that the position / arguments of the MPs were reported in the media.

was not asking about reporting of years back, was simply asking for outlets who are reporting actual facts rather than being Govt's mouthpiece.

so someone who has different opinion than you is hard wired in his thinking? brilliant

 

[Spookiewookie]

so someone who has different opinion than you is hard wired in his thinking? brilliant

lets review....

- you said that media is in control....bla bla
- i proved your point wrong
- you stuck to your guns & gave an example of iraq
- i proved that to be incorrect too

you continue to argue for the sake of arguing....

 

[Asim2Good]

lets review....

- you said that media is in control....bla bla
- i proved your point wrong
- you stuck to your guns & gave an example of iraq
- i proved that to be incorrect too

you continue to argue for the sake of arguing....

you proved me wrong? where?
you failed to provide media outlets which are not govt's mouthpiece and ran away "showing no interest/desire" in the matter

 

[sshakir411]

It hurts me to see educated people being so utterly brainwashed. Not going to partake in another conspiracy thread here on PP that's for sure, lol. Pretty sure these firm believers of conspiracy theories have probably never stepped foot outside of the Muslim world and that's probably why they will buy anything. Stupidity does prevail in this world today. Clearly, ability to read and write does not give you the ability to think. Sad times we live in.

 

[Asim2Good]

It hurts me to see educated people being so utterly brainwashed. Not going to partake in another conspiracy thread here on PP that's for sure, lol. Pretty sure these firm believers of conspiracy theories have probably never stepped foot outside of the Muslim world and that's probably why they will buy anything. Stupidity does prevail in this world today. Clearly, ability to read and write does not give you the ability to think. Sad times we live in.

what a beautiful way to prove a point

 

[sshakir411]

what a beautiful way to prove a point

not proving a point but stating a fact..I'd feel sorry for you if you live outside of the Muslim world. I didn't respond to your posts for a reason and you should get the point.

I would continue with you but you lost me when you said "Americans are asking why Ron Paul isn't our president"...he barley gets any support in his home state...you clearly are very far from reality and I'll let you stay there.

I was once in your shoes where all these Illuminati and conspiracy videos were appealing...one talk with my cousin who works for the Chicago Fed and I realized I was not doing my education justice by believing in videos created by people who can't write a proper research paper.

Be genuine with you analysis..don't take others work and believe it blindly.

 

[Asim2Good]

not proving a point but stating a fact..I'd feel sorry for you if you live outside of the Muslim world. I didn't respond to your posts for a reason and you should get the point.

I would continue with you but you lost me when you said "Americans are asking why Ron Paul isn't our president"...he barley gets any support in his home state...you clearly are very far from reality and I'll let you stay there.

I was once in your shoes where all these Illuminati and conspiracy videos were appealing...one talk with my cousin who works for the Chicago Fed and I realized I was not doing my education justice by believing in videos created by people who can't write a proper research paper.

Be genuine with you analysis..don't take others work and believe it blindly.

First of all, thanks for your concern. Now should we move on from Muslim world? Or it's easy for you to debate if you put Muslim, mullah etc in every sentence?

Secondly videos I posted are not from any conspiracy theories, videos are from Aljazeerah, NatGeo, and from Q & A sessions from American congress. And all you did is say conspiracy theories, they are fools.

And finally you admitted yourself the Federal Reserve is controlled by private sector too which was my initial point which you agreed.

And at end, I m NOT after any conspiracy theory, this is subject which is fascinating. And seeing US congress so helpless against Fed, I can't imagine what smaller countries would be going through against state/central banks

 

[sshakir411]

First of all, thanks for your concern. Now should we move on from Muslim world? Or it's easy for you to debate if you put Muslim, mullah etc in every sentence?

Secondly videos I posted are not from any conspiracy theories, videos are from Aljazeerah, NatGeo, and from Q & A sessions from American congress. And all you did is say conspiracy theories, they are fools.

And finally you admitted yourself the Federal Reserve is controlled by private sector too which was my initial point which you agreed.

And at end, I m NOT after any conspiracy theory, this is subject which is fascinating. And seeing US congress so helpless against Fed, I can't imagine what smaller countries would be going through against state/central banks

you need comprehension lessons. The Fed operates independently from the government and that's why it is said to be both a public and private structure. Public because policy framework is from the government and private because it is implemented by non-government employees. This has been an utter waste of my time.

Also, US congress is not helpless against the Fed...if you stayed up with current financial news you would know this. Things were bad in 2007 to 2009 because Congress and Fed did not have a clue as to what caused such a big crash (pretty sure you believe it was some Rothschild sitting in his fancy castle pulling strings LOL) I called you a conspiracy theorist because honestly you come across as someone really lazy to even read through official sources. You prefer watching a video

 

[Asim2Good]

you need comprehension lessons. The Fed operates independently from the government and that's why it is said to be both a public and private structure. Public because policy framework is from the government and private because it is implemented by non-government employees. This has been an utter waste of my time.

changing the words from quote is not gonna help your cause, neither will copy/paste from Fed website.
in Post #57 of this thread, i posted a documentary from NatGeo, at 15:06, they say about federal reserve an institution controlled by both public AND Private Sector

to which in post #60, you said

The NatGeo documentary is a good information source

and this is defination of Private Sector

BREAKING DOWN 'Private Sector'
The private sector is the segment of a national economy owned, controlled and managed by private individuals or enterprises. The private sector has a goal of making money and employs more workers than the public sector. A private-sector organization is created by forming a new enterprise or privatizing a public sector organization. A large private-sector corporation may be privately or publicly traded. Businesses in the private sector drive down prices for goods and services while competing for consumers’ money; in theory, customers do not want to pay more for something when they can buy the same item elsewhere at a lower cost.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/private-sector.asp

Also, US congress is not helpless against the Fed...if you stayed up with current financial news you would know this. Things were bad in 2007 to 2009 because Congress and Fed did not have a clue as to what caused such a big crash (pretty sure you believe it was some Rothschild sitting in his fancy castle pulling strings LOL)

you certainly didn't watch those videos which I posted from Q & A Sessions, because couple of Videos I posted, they are not talking about cause of big crash, but Fed is been questioned about missing trillions of dollars from Fed.

caontradicting youself here now ? because in Post 60 of this thread, you say

We should be thankful to be living in a time where we have vast resources to find accurate information and cross check and validate those facts and research

but I m conspiracy theorist If I decide to cross check from reputable sources?

 

[karthikc]

How true are these theories regarding the Rothschild family?

I have seen many crazy theories propounded regarding this Jewish family. Some of them are:

1. They are the richest people in the world
2. They own 80% of Israel
3. They founded Bilderberg club
4. They create wars among nations to fund the arms industry

What are your thoughts on these?

 

[sshakir411]

1) No
2) They donated a lot of money to build Government buildings in Israel (They were a gift from the family)
3) No
4) No

There is no proof to these claims. Yes, Rothschilds are a very old family who generated a lot of wealth by being the first few to take advantage of paper currency and Banking. A lot of their wealth and business has been divided in to different family members over many generations and they no longer operate/work together. As is the case with most old money families they don't share much about their history or current dealings and people really cook up some crazy stories.

There are many investments in Tel Aviv (hotels, buildings, etc) that have been made by different members of the Family but they do not roll up to one person or one entity.