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The Simpsons' Apu branded 'a racist stereotype' in new documentary

All of that is true, but what this guy Hari Kondabolu (Telugu it seems ? :D) , is stressing is that for almost 25-30 years, Apu was the only visible representation of South Asians in American media, as well as to the scores of nations the Simpsons was telecasted in .

There was nothing else available to counterbalance that POV, so a lot of people would generalize that character on all Indians.

Indians make less than half percent of the population. only 2.4 million of them out of 330 million people. That is like 0.008%.

We are a negligible minority. Indians are not into sports and most are either doctors/engineers/grocety store owners/cabbies. Hence the stereotype and hence these cartoon characters.

Yes. Kondabolu is Telugu surname. He is from dominant Kamma caste in Andhra. These people migrated to US before anyone knew what USA was back in 80's. Most of them went as Doctors and Engineers. Probably could not digest the fact that Indians are shown in poor light in spite of many of them doing pretty well for themselves.

As a side joke, I feel that Mr. Kondabolu does look like Apu. Probably got bullied and teased in school and hence the hate for the character.
 
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As a side joke, I feel that Mr. Kondabolu does look like Apu. Probably got bullied and teased in school and hence the hate for the character.

And that is a joke for you. The normalisation of racism continues unabated. I understand Pakistanis being racist towards us, as that is expected, but the indians who mock the victims and brownnose the masters are the problem.
 
And that is a joke for you. The normalisation of racism continues unabated. I understand Pakistanis being racist towards us, as that is expected, but the indians who mock the victims and brownnose the masters are the problem.

No brown nosing and I don't have to. If we cannot laugh at ourselves, then we are missing out a lot in our lives.

I laugh at all kinds of jokes. Does not make me racist. Stereotypes have some truth in them. You laugh at them because there is some truth in it and we can relate to it.

As long as someone does not come at you directly and call you names, it should be allowed. Look at all the greatest comedians out there. They all make stereotype jokes. If you find it offensive, then do not watch them.
 
No brown nosing and I don't have to. If we cannot laugh at ourselves, then we are missing out a lot in our lives.

I laugh at all kinds of jokes. Does not make me racist. Stereotypes have some truth in them. You laugh at them because there is some truth in it and we can relate to it.

As long as someone does not come at you directly and call you names, it should be allowed. Look at all the greatest comedians out there. They all make stereotype jokes. If you find it offensive, then do not watch them.

You are not laughing at yourself, but the victim. By all means carry on laughing when people subject you to racism.
 
Please share your side jokes when your or your dear ones get bullied and teased.

People call me several names at my work. They tease me sometimes that I have a side job at a call center and hence I come to work late. They call me Abdul, Support guy etc which I am far from. I call them Tyrone (for black friends) and Tim (for white friends). All in friendly banter.

Only close colleagues at work can call me like that. Outside folk never called me any names. I don't get offended when a Comedian or a Cartoon show makes fun of Desis. Just laugh it off.

If you cannot laugh at stereotypical jokes, then you will have very little to laugh at in your life.
 
I made this same point several times to Indians who have bragged about their success in the USA and how they are CEOs of this mega company or that one. It might all be true, but what everyone else sees is Apu from the Simpons and that is how the rest of the world imagines the Indian community in America.

Incidentally, is it wrong to say that the Indian community in the US is from different part of India than the community in the UK? Here we have a good mix of Indians from the north and probably less from the south of India. Whenever I see Indians on US shows they always look like south Indians. I wonder if that is why Americans seem to think Pakistanis come from the middle east rather than the Indian subcontinent?

I usually get hispanic
 
Most Indians have accents. Only convent school educated upper middle class / rich Indians have a fake/neutral western accent . And that is same about southies too.

As a malayali who has tried since my school time to cultivate a neutral accent that doesn't sound like the malayalam stereotype (Simbly sorrry) . I've realized that subconsciously some words do spill out, no matter how hard we try. Maybe it's because the sounds and pronunciations of southern languages are incompatible with modern English. Even then there is no connection between the accents among the 4 south states. Malayalam accent is very distinctive, Tamil too has its quirks. The Telugu and Kannada English accents sound very alike (the actual languages are closer as well) , yet you can tell them apart.

But the norther / western Indians have there own language / accent quirks in plenty. The average bihari ya UP wala has one of the strongest regional accents speaking english. So do the Bongs , especially with the "A -> O" thing, that they carry over to english as well as saying "bread" as "breeead" . Again , the more expensive the school you go to , the more neutral your accent becomes. The average Delhiite/Punjabi will have a very distinctive english style too.

PS: Haven't interacted with enough Rajasthanis to know what their accent looks like. The only Sisodia colleague I have has a very cultured accent, so she must very likely have studied in a very posh school .

My accent is similar to a regular Delhi guy.Not much thick but you get the idea.
I liked how you mentioned the surname , appeasing much ;)
Dont worry we will only slaughter the Nayars once we take down Kerala.You lot have nothing to worry about ;)
 
Agreed. Showing a black guy with a bucket of fried chicken and watermelon is not racist, but typical liberals create racism where none exists.

Just going to throw it out there, The Simpsons also has a stereotypical Scottish buffoon in Groundsman Willie, should all Scots take offence at that and accuse the Simpsons of portraying Scots poorly for decades?
 
Just going to throw it out there, The Simpsons also has a stereotypical Scottish buffoon in Groundsman Willie, should all Scots take offence at that and accuse the Simpsons of portraying Scots poorly for decades?

It is for the scots to decide. Likewise how scots react to something does not in anyway dictate how others should react.
 
Should a muslim in afghanistan react the same way to the desecration of the Holy Quran like a White British may react to the the mocking depiction of Jesus Christ?
 
True. Would the Scots who complained have a valid point or would they be seeing racism where none exists?

If a british pakistani is called the P word, and he chooses to ignore it, and one who feels hurt and humiliated by it. Does one reaction nullify the other? Is one reaction valid and the other invalid?
 
Just going to throw it out there, The Simpsons also has a stereotypical Scottish buffoon in Groundsman Willie, should all Scots take offence at that and accuse the Simpsons of portraying Scots poorly for decades?

Not to mention the stereotypical male blue collar white American thick as 2 short planks beerswilling obese ignoramus in that show called Homer. Offensive to white male Americans for sure. Oh wait he is the main character.
 
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Not to mention the stereotypical male blue collar white American thick as 2 short planks beerswilling obese ignoramus in that show called Homer. Offensive to white male Americans for sure. Oh wait he is the main character.

Yes, because how someone who has enjoyed white privilege reacts to racism is the same way a black who has been subject to slavery and worse should also react to racism. :14:
 
Yes, because how someone who has enjoyed white privilege reacts to racism is the same way a black who has been subject to slavery and worse should also react to racism. :14:

I think you are just being immature and digging your heels in now in a poor attempt to troll. It's quite clear that The Simpsons is an adult-orientated satire that pokes fun at a wide range of people and topics. If you don't like it, can't understand it, get offended by it etc then change the channel - simple.
 
I think you are just being immature and digging your heels in now in a poor attempt to troll. It's quite clear that The Simpsons is an adult-orientated satire that pokes fun at a wide range of people and topics. If you don't like it, can't understand it, get offended by it etc then change the channel - simple.

If you think I am being immature then obviously it must be true. Just as you think I should switch channel when there is racism at my community, or plug my ears if racist slur is targeted at me, because you quite eloquently said that it is - SIMPLE.

Because it is the privileged who define what standard behaviour and standard reactions should be. Because it is the privileged who define what humour, satire and racism is.
 
If you think I am being immature then obviously it must be true. Just as you think I should switch channel when there is racism at my community, or plug my ears if racist slur is targeted at me, because you quite eloquently said that it is - SIMPLE.

Because it is the privileged who define what standard behaviour and standard reactions should be. Because it is the privileged who define what humour, satire and racism is.

Feel like getting up and clapping .....

But I think we are reading too much into a comic thingy?
 
My accent is similar to a regular Delhi guy.Not much thick but you get the idea.
I liked how you mentioned the surname , appeasing much ;)
Dont worry we will only slaughter the Nayars once we take down Kerala.You lot have nothing to worry about ;)

Nope , the chick is actually from MP, but the surname is obviously rajasthani. She's barely 23, but already arranged for marriage. :(

Also, the Nairs badly need us to have any hope of coming to power in Kerala. SO there's been a lot of "Avarna-Savarna Bhai bhai " statements coming from them in the past 3-4 years. Their 16% number ain't good enough to take power here. Neither are the upper caste Christians falling for the BJP's bait (Promoting Alphonse kannanthanam as Central minister).
 
Feel like getting up and clapping .....

But I think we are reading too much into a comic thingy?

He is just trying to be contrarian as usual. If majority of the posters here would have felt offended by Apu's stereotypical depiction in the The Simpsons than he would have made the same point that OP and other are making i.e. its satire comedy and stereotypical tropes are a part and parcel of it or that this is simply another case of PC police run amok.

Aside from that I think Apu's entrepreneurial zeal and mindset depicted in the show is a compliment to all Indian grocery store owners in America who make a hard living and are under-appreciated in my opinion.
 
If a british pakistani is called the P word, and he chooses to ignore it, and one who feels hurt and humiliated by it. Does one reaction nullify the other? Is one reaction valid and the other invalid?

All are valid, but is one more valid than the other? On the one hand I applaud you for at least having the guts to speak your mind, but then I am thinking why is it only you and the Indians in the documentary raising these issues? Your fellow PP Indians are either disagreeing or studiously avoiding the topic altogether. Maybe we should wait for other opinions to get a more balance view on it.
 
Nope , the chick is actually from MP, but the surname is obviously rajasthani. She's barely 23, but already arranged for marriage. :(

Also, the Nairs badly need us to have any hope of coming to power in Kerala. SO there's been a lot of "Avarna-Savarna Bhai bhai " statements coming from them in the past 3-4 years. Their 16% number ain't good enough to take power here. Neither are the upper caste Christians falling for the BJP's bait (Promoting Alphonse kannanthanam as Central minister).
Hey stop poking fun at our traditions. She must be a nice , cultured lady.
Also , are the Nairs really Kshatriya? I find their claims somewhat dubious.
 
He is just trying to be contrarian as usual. If majority of the posters here would have felt offended by Apu's stereotypical depiction in the The Simpsons than he would have made the same point that OP and other are making i.e. its satire comedy and stereotypical tropes are a part and parcel of it or that this is simply another case of PC police run amok.

Aside from that I think Apu's entrepreneurial zeal and mindset depicted in the show is a compliment to all Indian grocery store owners in America who make a hard living and are under-appreciated in my opinion.

Dunno.

In US Asians dont feel anything good/bad about the P word. But in Britain people do. The Apu thing could be as simple as that.
 
He is just trying to be contrarian as usual. If majority of the posters here would have felt offended by Apu's stereotypical depiction in the The Simpsons than he would have made the same point that OP and other are making i.e. its satire comedy and stereotypical tropes are a part and parcel of it or that this is simply another case of PC police run amok.

Aside from that I think Apu's entrepreneurial zeal and mindset depicted in the show is a compliment to all Indian grocery store owners in America who make a hard living and are under-appreciated in my opinion.

Precisely and is a very transparent approach that he is taking.
 
Hey stop poking fun at our traditions. She must be a nice , cultured lady.
Also , are the Nairs really Kshatriya? I find their claims somewhat dubious.

I'm a nair, i don't think we can trace back existence of this community beyond 300 to 400 years but they protected a temple and kingdom which is famous for being the richest among the other kingdoms and temples till date without meekly surrendering in front of invaders and marrying of their girls to invaders to retain power.
 
I'm a nair, i don't think we can trace back existence of this community beyond 300 to 400 years but they protected a temple and kingdom which is famous for being the richest among the other kingdoms and temples till date without meekly surrendering in front of invaders and marrying of their girls to invaders to retain power.

Who were the invaders? Is it the Hyderabadi Sultans or the Tipu Sultan's army?

I always thought Kerala was one place not invaded by armies, but by peaceful missionaries.
 
Its heartening how many times [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] mentioned me eventhough I wasnt active for months and literally had nothing to do with many topics. Thanks for always having me in your mind and prayers :-)
 
I'm a nair, i don't think we can trace back existence of this community beyond 300 to 400 years but they protected a temple and kingdom which is famous for being the richest among the other kingdoms and temples till date without meekly surrendering in front of invaders and marrying of their girls to invaders to retain power.

You can't even trace your history beyond 300 years and yet have nerve to lecture me about history. Despite being at the southernmost tip of Indian subcontinent and thus effectively shielded from most of the invasions , half of your population still managed to get converted to other religions , guess they saw the light of Islam and Christianity ?
The list of temples and religious institutions we protected and laid out our lives to save them is so long that a book can be written on it. But I'm not gonna waste my time and argue with someone whose people practiced the worst form of untouchability there ever was and didn't even spare the poor women going as far as collecting the 'breast tax' .
Yes some of us had alliances with Muslims. Big deal. It was a common practice in the medieval and ancient world. But judging by your IQ , I don't think you would ever be able to comprehend that.
 
Its heartening how many times [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] mentioned me eventhough I wasnt active for months and literally had nothing to do with many topics. Thanks for always having me in your mind and prayers :-)

Great to have you back my friend. I don't know why I tagged you in this thread, must be because I imagined you were a defender of the American desi for some reason. Anyway, you found the thread, hope you had time to read through it and enjoy. Always loved the Simpsons myself, and I always considered Apu to be one of the coolest characters.
 
Not to mention the stereotypical male blue collar white American thick as 2 short planks beerswilling obese ignoramus in that show called Homer. Offensive to white male Americans for sure. Oh wait he is the main character.

Never saw Simpsons much but Homer is characterized as white in the show?

For eg. Apu is clearly termed Indian
 
Who were the invaders? Is it the Hyderabadi Sultans or the Tipu Sultan's army?

I always thought Kerala was one place not invaded by armies, but by peaceful missionaries.

Kerala faced only two religious invasions : The Portuguese (after the first arrival in 1498 ), returned a decade later with many ships and armies with the Aim of spreading Christianity in Southern India. But there was stiff resistance from the Local Hindu kingdoms , many of which had Mappilah muslims manning the navy . Also the existing syrian christians too were against the Portuguese who wanted to bring them under the Catholic church. The other aspiring colonial powers like the Dutch too tried to fight the Portuguese.

It was the constant wars in the Kerala coast which made the Portuguese abandon their initial base of Kochi and move up north to Goa. What happened later in Goa is pretty well known. Even during the inquisition period there were attempts to forcibly convert the fishermen along the Kerala coast to Catholicism. But the reason it didn't work as much as in Goa was because the existing Syrian Christians of Kerala (over half of whom had already been converted to Catholicism) were Brahmin and other Upper caste converts and were vehemently against letting dalit fishermen converts from using their churches. :))

The other major invasion was by the mysore sultanate - Hyder Ali and his son Tipu . Both of which were pretty catastrophic for kerala. Though there was a significant Muslim population in Malabar even before the invasions, during the invasions many among the existing Moplah communities did take tipu's side against the other communities in Malabar. This led to fissures between the communities which culminated in the Mappilah riots of 1921. Tipu pretty much wiped out a lot of temples in that region. Only the lower caste temples , which were mostly tribal gods and well hidden in the terrain and most importantly not rich , survived. There should be no surprise as well , which region happens to be the most communally sensitive in the state.

Despite being at the southernmost tip of Indian subcontinent and thus effectively shielded from most of the invasions

This is mostly true w.r.t Kerala. But at the same time, Kerala was a less populated , mostly forest covered region. So the invading muslim armies from the north may not have found much incentive in mounting an invasion. Also, the only way to enter Kerala from above was through the Mysore pass into Wayanad region , this was a pretty inaccessible route. Although, that was how Hyder Ali/Tipu Sultan invaded kerala.

Again, on one hand , the spice trade was brought the Arabs/Europeans here in the 1st place. But religious domination was not the top priority of any of those foreign powers barring the Portuguese. Had the Portuguese held on and beat the Brits, you'd see a role reversal, with the South having faced much worse religious persecution than the north and we'd all be catholics by now (see Brazil for example).

half of your population still managed to get converted to other religions , guess they saw the light of Islam and Christianity ?

I'm sick and tired of North Indians complaining about the number of people who converted to Christianity or Islam in kerala pre-independence. ! They didn't see the light of anything, it was just that Islam/Christianity offered the lower castes a substantially better deal than they were being given with Hinduism . You can't ostracize and discriminate entire communities from a so called 'religion' and expect them to show any loyalty to it . There was literally NO EFFORT from any of the powerful castes to change anything here, until the number of conversions increased to a point a hindu minority became plausible, to force them to reform the caste system .

Almost 70% of kerala's muslims are OBC or Dalit converts, so are a good number of the Christians. And most of these were people who wanted social / economic mobility , as being born in the wrong caste meant you had very little access to property, education or jobs. And the 'proud' hindu rulers of our state saw no problems in doling out jobs and govt / military position to Christians and muslims while close to 70% (Dalits + OBCs) of all hindus were kept away the same time.

The list of temples and religious institutions we protected and laid out our lives to save them is so long that a book can be written on it.


The north bore the brunt of the Invasions and most of the wars and religious persecution. But you are ignoring that one of the greatest Indian empires - The vijayanagara , grew & thrived WHILE defending against the Islamic sultanates of Delhi and the north. It took a combined attack from 4 muslim sultanates to finally bring it down, so claiming the Rajputs were the only major defense against the invasions would be incorrect .

The Hinduism of North that survived and recovered from that point to today is consequently, far more hardline and tends to see Abrahamic faiths more suspiciously/antagonistically. That is something I understand (and which many in my state don't see) .

But you have to understand why my state sees things differently and why our relationship with the minorities very different from the other parts. Portuguese/Tipu excluded, the conversions here were more or less willingly done, and the converted communities had much to gain from doing so . Right from better education , healthcare (both set up by Christians), to basic dignity ( the untouchability & un-seeability laws for the OBCs and dalits no longer applied once you converted) .
 
You can't even trace your history beyond 300 years and yet have nerve to lecture me about history. Despite being at the southernmost tip of Indian subcontinent and thus effectively shielded from most of the invasions , half of your population still managed to get converted to other religions , guess they saw the light of Islam and Christianity ?
The list of temples and religious institutions we protected and laid out our lives to save them is so long that a book can be written on it. But I'm not gonna waste my time and argue with someone whose people practiced the worst form of untouchability there ever was and didn't even spare the poor women going as far as collecting the 'breast tax' .
Yes some of us had alliances with Muslims. Big deal. It was a common practice in the medieval and ancient world. But judging by your IQ , I don't think you would ever be able to comprehend that.

Lol you have no idea about the history of south kerala, it was one of the major centers of spice trade and vulnerable to naval attacks, I think I don't need to tell you how European forces came to India. People had the freedom to choose which ever religion they want to follow. I won't defend social ills and burning of women and even using them to retain power as a medieval practice like you.
 
Kerala faced only two religious invasions : The Portuguese (after the first arrival in 1498 ), returned a decade later with many ships and armies with the Aim of spreading Christianity in Southern India. But there was stiff resistance from the Local Hindu kingdoms , many of which had Mappilah muslims manning the navy . Also the existing syrian christians too were against the Portuguese who wanted to bring them under the Catholic church. The other aspiring colonial powers like the Dutch too tried to fight the Portuguese.

It was the constant wars in the Kerala coast which made the Portuguese abandon their initial base of Kochi and move up north to Goa. What happened later in Goa is pretty well known. Even during the inquisition period there were attempts to forcibly convert the fishermen along the Kerala coast to Catholicism. But the reason it didn't work as much as in Goa was because the existing Syrian Christians of Kerala (over half of whom had already been converted to Catholicism) were Brahmin and other Upper caste converts and were vehemently against letting dalit fishermen converts from using their churches. :))

The other major invasion was by the mysore sultanate - Hyder Ali and his son Tipu . Both of which were pretty catastrophic for kerala. Though there was a significant Muslim population in Malabar even before the invasions, during the invasions many among the existing Moplah communities did take tipu's side against the other communities in Malabar. This led to fissures between the communities which culminated in the Mappilah riots of 1921. Tipu pretty much wiped out a lot of temples in that region. Only the lower caste temples , which were mostly tribal gods and well hidden in the terrain and most importantly not rich , survived. There should be no surprise as well , which region happens to be the most communally sensitive in the state.



This is mostly true w.r.t Kerala. But at the same time, Kerala was a less populated , mostly forest covered region. So the invading muslim armies from the north may not have found much incentive in mounting an invasion. Also, the only way to enter Kerala from above was through the Mysore pass into Wayanad region , this was a pretty inaccessible route. Although, that was how Hyder Ali/Tipu Sultan invaded kerala.

Again, on one hand , the spice trade was brought the Arabs/Europeans here in the 1st place. But religious domination was not the top priority of any of those foreign powers barring the Portuguese. Had the Portuguese held on and beat the Brits, you'd see a role reversal, with the South having faced much worse religious persecution than the north and we'd all be catholics by now (see Brazil for example).



I'm sick and tired of North Indians complaining about the number of people who converted to Christianity or Islam in kerala pre-independence. ! They didn't see the light of anything, it was just that Islam/Christianity offered the lower castes a substantially better deal than they were being given with Hinduism . You can't ostracize and discriminate entire communities from a so called 'religion' and expect them to show any loyalty to it . There was literally NO EFFORT from any of the powerful castes to change anything here, until the number of conversions increased to a point a hindu minority became plausible, to force them to reform the caste system .

Almost 70% of kerala's muslims are OBC or Dalit converts, so are a good number of the Christians. And most of these were people who wanted social / economic mobility , as being born in the wrong caste meant you had very little access to property, education or jobs. And the 'proud' hindu rulers of our state saw no problems in doling out jobs and govt / military position to Christians and muslims while close to 70% (Dalits + OBCs) of all hindus were kept away the same time.




The north bore the brunt of the Invasions and most of the wars and religious persecution. But you are ignoring that one of the greatest Indian empires - The vijayanagara , grew & thrived WHILE defending against the Islamic sultanates of Delhi and the north. It took a combined attack from 4 muslim sultanates to finally bring it down, so claiming the Rajputs were the only major defense against the invasions would be incorrect .

The Hinduism of North that survived and recovered from that point to today is consequently, far more hardline and tends to see Abrahamic faiths more suspiciously/antagonistically. That is something I understand (and which many in my state don't see) .

But you have to understand why my state sees things differently and why our relationship with the minorities very different from the other parts. Portuguese/Tipu excluded, the conversions here were more or less willingly done, and the converted communities had much to gain from doing so . Right from better education , healthcare (both set up by Christians), to basic dignity ( the untouchability & un-seeability laws for the OBCs and dalits no longer applied once you converted) .
Sandy I know about the atrocities committed and oppression Dalits suffered at the hands of Upper castes as well their absolutely appalling conditions pre 1920s in the erstwhile Travencore kingdom. Their conversion to abrahmic faiths made sense and I have absolutely no issues with that.Also I never claimed Rajputs were the only true defenders of Dharma . My comment was more in jest and a reply to that idiot who quoted my post out of context and passed derogatory remarks without having absolutely no idea about the medieval Indian history and how things went around back in the day.
 
Kerala faced only two religious invasions : The Portuguese (after the first arrival in 1498 ), returned a decade later with many ships and armies with the Aim of spreading Christianity in Southern India. But there was stiff resistance from the Local Hindu kingdoms , many of which had Mappilah muslims manning the navy . Also the existing syrian christians too were against the Portuguese who wanted to bring them under the Catholic church. The other aspiring colonial powers like the Dutch too tried to fight the Portuguese.

It was the constant wars in the Kerala coast which made the Portuguese abandon their initial base of Kochi and move up north to Goa. What happened later in Goa is pretty well known. Even during the inquisition period there were attempts to forcibly convert the fishermen along the Kerala coast to Catholicism. But the reason it didn't work as much as in Goa was because the existing Syrian Christians of Kerala (over half of whom had already been converted to Catholicism) were Brahmin and other Upper caste converts and were vehemently against letting dalit fishermen converts from using their churches. :))

The other major invasion was by the mysore sultanate - Hyder Ali and his son Tipu . Both of which were pretty catastrophic for kerala. Though there was a significant Muslim population in Malabar even before the invasions, during the invasions many among the existing Moplah communities did take tipu's side against the other communities in Malabar. This led to fissures between the communities which culminated in the Mappilah riots of 1921. Tipu pretty much wiped out a lot of temples in that region. Only the lower caste temples , which were mostly tribal gods and well hidden in the terrain and most importantly not rich , survived. There should be no surprise as well , which region happens to be the most communally sensitive in the state.



This is mostly true w.r.t Kerala. But at the same time, Kerala was a less populated , mostly forest covered region. So the invading muslim armies from the north may not have found much incentive in mounting an invasion. Also, the only way to enter Kerala from above was through the Mysore pass into Wayanad region , this was a pretty inaccessible route. Although, that was how Hyder Ali/Tipu Sultan invaded kerala.

Again, on one hand , the spice trade was brought the Arabs/Europeans here in the 1st place. But religious domination was not the top priority of any of those foreign powers barring the Portuguese. Had the Portuguese held on and beat the Brits, you'd see a role reversal, with the South having faced much worse religious persecution than the north and we'd all be catholics by now (see Brazil for example).



I'm sick and tired of North Indians complaining about the number of people who converted to Christianity or Islam in kerala pre-independence. ! They didn't see the light of anything, it was just that Islam/Christianity offered the lower castes a substantially better deal than they were being given with Hinduism . You can't ostracize and discriminate entire communities from a so called 'religion' and expect them to show any loyalty to it . There was literally NO EFFORT from any of the powerful castes to change anything here, until the number of conversions increased to a point a hindu minority became plausible, to force them to reform the caste system .

Almost 70% of kerala's muslims are OBC or Dalit converts, so are a good number of the Christians. And most of these were people who wanted social / economic mobility , as being born in the wrong caste meant you had very little access to property, education or jobs. And the 'proud' hindu rulers of our state saw no problems in doling out jobs and govt / military position to Christians and muslims while close to 70% (Dalits + OBCs) of all hindus were kept away the same time.




The north bore the brunt of the Invasions and most of the wars and religious persecution. But you are ignoring that one of the greatest Indian empires - The vijayanagara , grew & thrived WHILE defending against the Islamic sultanates of Delhi and the north. It took a combined attack from 4 muslim sultanates to finally bring it down, so claiming the Rajputs were the only major defense against the invasions would be incorrect .

The Hinduism of North that survived and recovered from that point to today is consequently, far more hardline and tends to see Abrahamic faiths more suspiciously/antagonistically. That is something I understand (and which many in my state don't see) .

But you have to understand why my state sees things differently and why our relationship with the minorities very different from the other parts. Portuguese/Tipu excluded, the conversions here were more or less willingly done, and the converted communities had much to gain from doing so . Right from better education , healthcare (both set up by Christians), to basic dignity ( the untouchability & un-seeability laws for the OBCs and dalits no longer applied once you converted) .

Idiot got a taste of his own medicine.Next time he will think twice before taking a dig at any community.
 
Never saw Simpsons much but Homer is characterized as white in the show?

For eg. Apu is clearly termed Indian

I think it is generally presumed that the yellow people in The Simpsons are meant to represent the white American majority.
 
I think it is generally presumed that the yellow people in The Simpsons are meant to represent the white American majority.

yes but its not blatant pointing out is it?

and more importantly, there is a wide array of such 'white' representations with different characteristics so hardly the same as in case of Apu being the only indian representation

anyways. It doesnt bother me tbh and i find the guy leading this a bit of a weirdo
 
Josh Glancy in New York

The Simpsons is under attack from the culture police. Is nothing sacred?

I have always rather liked The Simpsons. Not as much as those special people who can tell you exactly what Bart writes on the blackboard at the beginning of the monorail episode, but I’ve long admired its sprawling blend of erudite and infantile.

Recently though, the show has been labelled #problematic, attacked for its portrayal of Apu Nahasapeemapetilon, the Asian corner-shop owner, which has been deemed a racist stereotype. There’s his job for one thing, and his silly surname for another. Plus that parodic catchphrase of his, “Thank you, come again!”, voiced by Hank Azaria, who is about as Indian as a hamburger.

This month, The Simpsons addressed the issue, using the character of Lisa to mount a fairly tepid defence. “Something that started decades ago and was applauded and inoffensive is now politically incorrect. What can you do?” she shrugged. The critics were furious, calling the response “spiteful” and “tin-eared”. The controversy “reminds us why the show must go”, said the New Statesman.

Each day, it seems, brings a fresh chapter in the culture war, and fresh meat to be sacrificed on the altar of wokeness. A few weeks ago it was The Breakfast Club, the much-loved 1980s movie whose sexual politics now fail the #MeToo test. Before that it was the revived sitcom Roseanne, which was pasted for being insufficiently anti-Trump. Now it’s The Simpsons’ turn.

There’s certainly some merit to the Apu complaint, but nonetheless I find this relentless policing of cultural boundaries both repressive and divisive. These rows force you to constantly choose a team — either you agree that The Simpsons is irredeemably racist, or you somehow tacitly support white supremacy. You can’t just float along any more as a woolly liberal, an identity I have long clung to.

Brooklyn in 2018 is an orgy of virtue signalling and moral one-upmanship, mostly by people who do very little to actually make the world a better place. I’ve had dates devolve into bitter rows about intersectionality, and dinner parties where white people criticise other white people for being too white. At times, I feel a bit like one of those polar bears that get stuck on a split iceberg, floating sadly towards oblivion.

You can break out the world’s smallest violin for my predicament, but the dying art of tolerance, of letting certain things slide, is something that we should worry about. I really do see both sides of the Apu row. The stereotype is obviously a crude one that was weaponised by a whole generation of playground bullies, who used impressions of him to demean their Asian classmates.

The show has stereotypes of many other people, too — raving Scots, fat working-class dads, depressed Jewish clowns — but for a long time Apu was just about the only prominent south Asian in popular American culture. If the money-counting, head-bobbing proprietor of the Kwik-E-Mart is all the representation you’ve got, then some level of frustration is understandable.

On the other hand, The Simpsons’ parodies are mostly warm and funny, and Apu is a loveable, in many ways admirable character. He actually only says his famous catchphrase eight times in 633 episodes, so the fact it became a tool for ignorant schoolboys in the 1990s probably tells us more about society back then than it does about The Simpsons.

Comedy is often about mockery and caricature. I wouldn’t write the Apu character myself, but as long as no one is really getting hurt, then for me freedom of expression trumps political correctness every time.

After 29 seasons, The Simpsons is well into its senescence. Apu is on his way out, along with Bart and Lisa and Sideshow Bob. Call me an apologist, but when this extraordinary series finally waves goodbye, I will say thank you, and come again.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/magazine...ns-under-attack-from-culture-police-6w8vtrkqn



I'm glad I was able to watch The Simpsons before it fell to the political correctness culture, it was my favourite show for a long time, although it went downhill from about season 9 or 10 so I stopped watching anyway.

Anybody feel the complaints have merit?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheSimpsons?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TheSimpsons</a> creator Matt Groening responds to Apu controversy: 'People love to pretend they're offended' <a href="https://t.co/RuW8bSwHME">https://t.co/RuW8bSwHME</a> <a href="https://t.co/m5pdBPh7Yl">pic.twitter.com/m5pdBPh7Yl</a></p>— UPROXX (@UPROXX) <a href="https://twitter.com/UPROXX/status/989896788730613760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Well, that seals it. Matt Groening finally responded & sounds like every other troll on the internet who didn’t see the documentary. No one is offended by this character. It was, at times, insulting & was frustrating to many of us who were solely represented by that one image. <a href="https://t.co/AfYNAeaU7Z">https://t.co/AfYNAeaU7Z</a></p>— Hari Kondabolu (@harikondabolu) <a href="https://twitter.com/harikondabolu/status/990986407232466944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 30, 2018</a></blockquote>
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‘The Simpsons’ producer confirms Apu is being written out of show following controversy

"It’s not a step forward, or step backwards, it’s just a massive step sideways"

The Simpsons have confirmed that controversial character Apu will be cut out of future episodes.

The long-running show has come under fire for it’s depiction of Kwik-E-Mart owner Apu Nahasapeemapetilon, with viewers complaining that the character promotes racist stereotypes of people of Indian and Asian descent.

Apu first appeared in The Simpsons episode ‘The Telltale Head’ in 1990, voiced by white actor Hank Azaria.

The Simpsons producer Adi Shankar spoke to IndieWire about his attempts to crowdsource a script that tackled the ‘Apu Problem’, which has now been rejected as the character is to be dropped from the show.

“I’ve verified from multiple sources now: They’re going to drop the Apu character altogether,” he said. “They aren’t going to make a big deal out of it, or anything like that, but they’ll drop him altogether just to avoid the controversy.”

Shankar sees the decision as a mistake, saying: “If you are a show about cultural commentary and you are too afraid to comment on the culture, especially when it’s a component of the culture you had a hand in creating, then you are a show about cowardice.

“It’s not a step forward, or step backwards, it’s just a massive step sideways. After having read all these wonderful scripts, I feel like sidestepping this issue doesn’t solve it when the whole purpose of art, I would argue, is to bring us together.”

Hank Azaria, the actor who voices Apu, has previously said that he is willing to “step aside” following criticism over the character.

https://www.nme.com/news/tv/simpsons-confirm-apu-leave-2394238
 
At first I thought it was a case of making a mountain out of a molehill as The Simpsons is a show based on making fun of stereotypes but then I realised they would never portray the black characters on the show as stereotypes much less have a white actor voice them. I genuinely don't know how to feel about the issue as Apu is a great character and the Simpsons is a GOAT show but I can see how Apu's portrayal can be problematic.

Rather than sidestepping the issue, The Simpsons should just call it a day. The show is just not edgy enough anymore and there has been a sharp deterioration in storylines and humour in recent years. As much as it pains me to admit it, in this day and age The Simpsons is just not relevant and the characters are outdated and the show is way past its sell-by date. It will always be one of the best shows of all time and the reruns of some of the older episodes are still among the best stuff on TV.
 
I really didn't get the whole controversy. A lot of Indian people do talk like Apu and a lot of them run grocery stores/gas stations, especially in rural America. But we are living in a society now that just cannot tolerate any stereotypical depictions of anything. One gets immediately labeled as a racist or sexist for even a mildly offensive or controversial joke. Plus the need and want to be known and present oneself as a victim has reached ridiculous heights. If one gets offended by some thing on TV, they can simply not watch that show or change the channel. Apu was never depicted as a bad guy on the show. He portrays the stereotypical Gujrati businessman type who just wants to make a living selling lotto tickets and beer to his customers. The biggest idiot of the show is Homer himself. I just find this behavior completely useless and stifling. This social and moral censorship is equivalent to fascism in my opinion. The corporations need to stop giving in to this hype before it ends up choking us all into being some kind of submissive and neutered robots.
 
I really didn't get the whole controversy. A lot of Indian people do talk like Apu and a lot of them run grocery stores/gas stations, especially in rural America. But we are living in a society now that just cannot tolerate any stereotypical depictions of anything. One gets immediately labeled as a racist or sexist for even a mildly offensive or controversial joke. Plus the need and want to be known and present oneself as a victim has reached ridiculous heights. If one gets offended by some thing on TV, they can simply not watch that show or change the channel. Apu was never depicted as a bad guy on the show. He portrays the stereotypical Gujrati businessman type who just wants to make a living selling lotto tickets and beer to his customers. The biggest idiot of the show is Homer himself. I just find this behavior completely useless and stifling. This social and moral censorship is equivalent to fascism in my opinion. The corporations need to stop giving in to this hype before it ends up choking us all into being some kind of submissive and neutered robots.

Agreed. Too much political correctness at every small thing.

On another note, Simpsons should make a new character for desis and have it be the stereotypical desi doctor who came to the US for residency after doing his degree in India or Pakistan. He would still be a bumbling, silly man with a thick accent and not entirely integrated into American life and holds his customs dear and generally just sticks to his own desi kind. To top it all off he can also be arranged marriaged like Apu was.

Such a depiction should make everyone happy. The said desi is being shown as an upwardly mobile, educated person in a professional career while he is still a figure of fun. To top it all off the stereotype will be more or less on point
 
This is stupid, PC culture has made the smallest things inappropriate.
 
I think it's a good move, there are way too many stereotypical characters of south asians.
 
White Americans (the “yellows”) are by far the most stereotyped character of all in The Simpsons. It is an adult comedy show that uses stereotypes against everyone. If you don’t like it, change the channel. Pathetic and cowardly decision.
 
White Americans (the “yellows”) are by far the most stereotyped character of all in The Simpsons. It is an adult comedy show that uses stereotypes against everyone. If you don’t like it, change the channel. Pathetic and cowardly decision.

An american show with american stereotype is not the same as an american show with an indian stereotype. Stereotypes of minorities is the first step to beginning of discrimination and passive racism. good on the producers to realize this, hope the psuedo liberals here understand it some day.
 
I guess it depends on who is watching.

I can understand both arguments. It might be a " racist stereotype" for some. But then it is a comedy show and people need to chill.

All entertainment produced by Yanks is propaganda of some kind anyways.
 
An american show with american stereotype is not the same as an american show with an indian stereotype. Stereotypes of minorities is the first step to beginning of discrimination and passive racism. good on the producers to realize this, hope the psuedo liberals here understand it some day.

I am not a pseudo nor a liberal.
 
Don't really care, the Simpsons peaked in the earlier series around 1-10 when Apu was very much part of the show's success, when the original writers left it went downhill anyway. Who care's if it's PC or not these days?
 
Typical dumb American statement, millennials are world wide not just in the US.

Typical dumb australian(?) response. I never implied that millenials were exclusive to America but this change is mainly for a young American audience, Australia isn't on the minds of these writers.
 
White Americans (the “yellows”) are by far the most stereotyped character of all in The Simpsons. It is an adult comedy show that uses stereotypes against everyone. If you don’t like it, change the channel. Pathetic and cowardly decision.

With all due respect I don’t think the issue is simply resolved by changing the channel. The Simpsons is not just any show, it is probably among the top most watched tv shows in history. Therefore, even if one changes the channel, there are millions still watching and while the show provides many different representations for the “yellows”, the show only provides one stereotype for south asians.

Don’t get me wrong, I am personally a big fan of The Simpsons and grew up watching it but there is no question that Apu is an offensive stereotype, which has impacted many south asians living in the west.
 
With all due respect I don’t think the issue is simply resolved by changing the channel. The Simpsons is not just any show, it is probably among the top most watched tv shows in history. Therefore, even if one changes the channel, there are millions still watching and while the show provides many different representations for the “yellows”, the show only provides one stereotype for south asians.

Don’t get me wrong, I am personally a big fan of The Simpsons and grew up watching it but there is no question that Apu is an offensive stereotype, which has impacted many south asians living in the west.

Apu wasn't an offensive stereotype, he was a typical Indian immigrant of the time. The problem was rather there are no alternative portrayals of Indians, generally they only ever appear on screen as nerds either on film or tv, or sometimes a pretty Indian woman might get the honour to play the love interest of a white male hero. I don't see how that is the fault of the Simpsons writers. Indians and Chinese/Asians in general have an image of nerds, and maybe it's just a reflection of reality. I don't see why it's necessarily a bad thing.
 
US animated comedy series The Simpsons will no longer use white actors for the voices of characters from other ethnic backgrounds, the show's producers say.

The show, broadcast on Fox Network, has faced years of criticism over white actor Hank Azaria's voiceover of Indian-American character Apu.

Mr Azaria said earlier this year that he was stepping down from the role.

The entertainment industry has come under growing pressure to provide more opportunities for non-white performers.

Friday's announcement comes in the wake of the Black Lives Matter protests, which were sparked by the death of African-American George Floyd in US police custody on 25 May.

"Moving forward, The Simpsons will no longer have white actors voice non-white characters," the producers said in a short statement.

What's changed since George Floyd's death?

In January, Mr Azaria said he would no longer be performing the voice of Indian convenience store owner Apu Nahasapeemapetilon, a role he had played since the character was created in 1990.

"We all made the decision together... We all agreed on it. We all feel like it's the right thing," he said at the time.

The show had been accused of using the character in a way that reinforced racial stereotypes.

Mr Azaria - who provides the voice of other characters, including black police officer Lou and the Mexican-American Bumblebee Man - said he found it "very upsetting to me personally and professionally" that anyone felt marginalised because of Apu.

Fox Network's statement on Friday did not say whether Apu or other characters would continue to feature in the show.

Other white US actors to announce that they will no longer be providing voiceovers for people of colour include Mike Henry and Kristen Bell.

Mr Henry provided the voice of black character Cleveland Brown in the animated series Family Guy for 20 years.

"I love this character, but persons of colour should play characters of colour," he tweeted on Friday.

Ms Bell, who provided the voice of Molly, a mixed-race child, in the cartoon series Central Park, said doing so displayed "a lack of awareness".

"Casting a mixed race character [with a] white actress undermines the specificity of the mixed race and Black American experience," she added.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-53201667
 
Non-story really, Apu has been dropped as a character anyway. I stopped watching the Simpsons when the original writers left to start on new projects, it went downhill a long time ago.
 
A complete non issue. Stereotypes are fine in any type of comedy - ignorant white hillbillies, Hispanics mowing the lawn, Indians and their accents, blacks and crime, bearded suicide bombers. That's the whole point of comedy, satire etc.
 
I hope they will not start targeting popular TV shows. This is now going too far.

These shows are just for the laughs and nothing more.
 
A complete non issue. Stereotypes are fine in any type of comedy - ignorant white hillbillies, Hispanics mowing the lawn, Indians and their accents, blacks and crime, bearded suicide bombers. That's the whole point of comedy, satire etc.

If they are acceptable, then why have they dropped one of the most popular characters in the Simpsons, and now are even banning white people doing voice-overs for ethnics?
 
A complete non issue. Stereotypes are fine in any type of comedy - ignorant white hillbillies, Hispanics mowing the lawn, Indians and their accents, blacks and crime, bearded suicide bombers. That's the whole point of comedy, satire etc.

No, it’s an issue about black actors getting jobs.

Stereotypes are not fine if they perpetuate inequality. Have a look at 13th on Netflix to see what I mean.
 
No, it’s an issue about black actors getting jobs.

Stereotypes are not fine if they perpetuate inequality. Have a look at 13th on Netflix to see what I mean.

That could be said for any ethnic/religious group. Not just blacks. You can't have different standards for different groups. We either accept the existence of all kinds of stereotypes in the media or ban all of them.
 
If they are acceptable, then why have they dropped one of the most popular characters in the Simpsons, and now are even banning white people doing voice-overs for ethnics?

America has gone soft, cap. The land of the free is bowing down ever more so to fools of all kinds. Hopefully, Great Britain won't accept nonsense like that and continue to let artists say/portray whatever the hell they want :)
 
Intriguing goodness gracious me with its overt racism of Muslims survives ... Does a character have to be played by a member of origin ...
 
America has gone soft, cap. The land of the free is bowing down ever more so to fools of all kinds. Hopefully, Great Britain won't accept nonsense like that and continue to let artists say/portray whatever the hell they want :)

Americans are only bowing down to Indian 'fools' to use your own language, who presumably are the ones protesting about being portrayed as types like Apu. In Britain there is no such movement from Pakistanis, can't really comment on British Indians but despite that I do fear that we will copy the Americans and start banning stereotypes of most ethnics although perhaps we can get round it with some clever BBC Citizen Khan type manipulation.
 
Americans are only bowing down to Indian 'fools' to use your own language, who presumably are the ones protesting about being portrayed as types like Apu. In Britain there is no such movement from Pakistanis, can't really comment on British Indians but despite that I do fear that we will copy the Americans and start banning stereotypes of most ethnics although perhaps we can get round it with some clever BBC Citizen Khan type manipulation.

Watch citizen khan get banned
 
No, it’s an issue about black actors getting jobs.

Stereotypes are not fine if they perpetuate inequality. Have a look at 13th on Netflix to see what I mean.

What are you expecting? Proportional representation? It's not like black actors do not exist, some even have Oscars to their name. Do you watch BBC? Dominated by blacks, presenters and actors.

What about the fields dominated by blacks - how about more whites, browns, etc in the same fields?

Do you remember Vanilla Ice? First white rapper, he was mocked ridiculed and effectivly thrown out of a black dominated industry. Even today, baring Eminem, whites spectaculary fail in the industry.

Please stop spreading these lies. Blacks have every opportunity, they excel in some fields, while not in others - and this applies to all races.

You would have a point if blacks didnt have the opportunity - but they do - equal rights - by law.
 
That could be said for any ethnic/religious group. Not just blacks. You can't have different standards for different groups. We either accept the existence of all kinds of stereotypes in the media or ban all of them.

You’re not getting it.

Yes, Abu should be voiced by an Asian actor not a white one.
 
America has gone soft, cap. The land of the free is bowing down ever more so to fools of all kinds. Hopefully, Great Britain won't accept nonsense like that and continue to let artists say/portray whatever the hell they want.)

But we don’t do we? Else Bernard Manning would have been allowed to carry on spreading racism on TV. And good for us!
 
Reviving this thread after [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] commented in the Ms Marvel (Pakistani) that desis should be writing their own heroic characters rather than expecting white people to do it for them. I think this is fair, but if we follow this logic, why were they playing the race card here?
 
So here we are again. So many of these issues seemed to pop up in the Rushdie thread so I think better to address here. Indians are better integrated for sure, can we explore why?
 
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/n...es-hope-characters-authentic-revival-1272222/

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It has been over two years since anyone has heard a word from The Simpsons‘ Kwik-E-Mart clerk Apu — a silence that looks to be indefinite following Hank Azaria’s confirmation to The New York Times on Tuesday that he will no longer voice the character.

Apu Nahasapeemapetilon’s transition from a classic to controversial character on the Fox series, now in its 31st season, came shortly after comedian Hari Kondabolu criticized the character for being a racist depiction of Indian Americans in his 2017 documentary, The Problem With Apu.

In the wake of the doc, a wave of criticism followed Azaria, the white actor who has voiced Apu for 30 years along with many other Simpsons characters, as well as creator Matt Groening and showrunner Al Jean. “Once I realized that that was the way this character was thought of, I just didn’t want to participate in it anymore,” Azaria told the Times. “It just didn’t feel right.”

But other Hollywood creators hope that the character doesn’t go away entirely. “Silencing Apu is a step sideways,” says Castlevania and Heaven’s Forest producer Adi Shankar, who has been a vocal critic of the portrayal of the character. “It doesn’t undo the damage, address the damage or benefit the show’s ‘creativity.’ It just removes another brown face from TV.”

Snigdha Sur, founder and CEO of South Asian diaspora publication The Juggernaut, notes “the character of Apu really hasn’t evolved” on the show, something that Kondabolu emphasized in his documentary.

“The voice is only just one of many issues,” Sur tells The Hollywood Reporter. “The reason [the show] resonates with Americans is that it is trying to show the generic American life with all of its problems.” But while the generalities might have worked when the show began in 1989, in America today — especially in a post-2016 election America — racist stereotypes and, in this case, thick accents are far too damaging to continue.

“I remember growing up, people would say the smartest people are behind the show,” Sur adds, in reference to many of the white, male Simpsons writers holding degrees from Ivy League colleges. “I think that’s what’s the most disappointing. Supposedly an all-star creative team and some of the smartest brains in America. If they aren’t evolving, aren’t pushing the conversation forward, don’t they have a role to do that?”

Sur and Shankar both say silencing a character as an attempt to cover up controversy is simply impossible and prefer refreshing Apu’s story rather than removing it from The Simpsons entirely.

“Give Apu a spinoff. We’re arguing over racial constructs, this is a perfect opportunity to deconstruct it, to dissolve it and bring our species together,” Shankar says.

Sur explains, “Once you’ve chosen to make some character feel seen and present, it really matters today how you are allowing that character to breathe life into who they are and what their identity is and what their actions are and what their voice is. Don’t use other characters to voice something that a character needs to go through. I think that can be very problematic.”

Apu’s last notable speaking appearance was in season 29’s first episode, “The Serfsons,” which aired October 1, 2017. Since then, Apu has appeared among fellow Simpsons characters but has not spoken or had his own storyline — including when seen in smaller groups and when all other characters have a line. For instance, in season 29’s “Fear of the Clowns,” Apu is cast in a play with several Springfield citizens but never speaks, even in scenes with just two or three castmembers in the play.

Azaria’s exit isn’t a surprise, having teased it in January during the Television Critics Association’s Winter Press Tour and in a 2018 appearance on The Late Show With Stephen Colbert, where he said his “eyes have been opened” by the debate. He also has distanced himself from The Simpsons‘ controversial response to the Apu dustup with the April 2018 episode “No Good Read Goes Unpunished.”

While looking at a picture of Apu, Lisa Simpson says in the episode, “Something that started decades ago and was applauded and inoffensive is now politically incorrect. What can you do?”

Azaria had an answer for Lisa back in 2018 — and one that could still work today.

“I’ve given this a lot of thought, and, as I say, my eyes have been opened,” Azaria said. “I think the most important thing is to listen to Indian people and their experience with it. I really want to see Indian, South Asian writers in the writers room … including how [Apu] is voiced or not voiced. I’m perfectly willing to step aside. It just feels like the right thing to do to me.”

Kondabolu, who sparked a movement to address Apu’s problematic portrayal on the series, said in January that he hoped the character would remain on the show and be portrayed accurately instead of cut out entirely.

“If @HankAzaria is indeed no longer doing the voice of Apu, I do hope they keep the character & let a very talented writing staff do something interesting with him. If not to better the show, then to at least spare me some death threats,” Kondabolu wrote on Twitter, referencing those who blame his documentary for Apu’s voiceless status.

The comedian added that his goal with the doc was never “to get rid of a dated cartoon character, but to discuss race, representation & my community (which I love very much).”

“It was also about how you can love something (like the Simpsons) & still be critical about aspects of it (Apu),” Kondabolu wrote.

Sur notes that Apu could help “reflect America today” if the showrunners choose to portray the character with authenticity. “Springfield has changed. The problems Springfield faces have changed. The problems that Lisa and Bart talk about changed. … Why is it that we can’t give that space for Apu to breathe and become whoever he is?”

For now, Apu’s future on The Simpsons — voiced or not — remains up in the Springfield clouds. In a statement to the Times, producers stated that the character is “beloved worldwide” and “we love him too. Stay tuned.”

Does this Indian guy have a point or is he simply another woke trying to reinvent America?
 
Apu was fun. It is ridiculous to try to cancel Apu.

Apu is one of the main characters from Simpsons.
 
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