The speed merchants comparison : Haris Rauf v Umran Malik

[MenInG]

Both bowlers rely on speed as their main weapon.

Umran hasnt played as much as Haris but from what we see now, who is the better bowler?


Haris Rauf

Umran Malik (excluding 3rd T20I vs England, 2022)

 

[Dingolfy]

As of now, Rauf is miles ahead. Umran is yet to clock 150 kph in International cricket and I don’t trust IPL speed guns.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Umran should be compared with Naseem Shah not Haris Rauf but still Haris is better at the moment.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

As of now, Rauf is miles ahead. Umran is yet to clock 150 kph in International cricket and I don’t trust IPL speed guns.

Was he clocking 150kph consistently in IPL?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Was he clocking 150kph consistently in IPL?

I remember he had a few around 155k. He had a better line and length too.

Today he is all over the place and seemed to be overwhelmed by the situation. He is young and needs to be given confidence.

 

[Xoib]

Haris is good 5kmph faster on average pace

 

[IMMY69]

Judging by what I've seen today, Umran is around Hasan Ali's pace

 

[cricketjoshila]

As of now, Rauf is miles ahead. Umran is yet to clock 150 kph in International cricket and I don’t trust IPL speed guns.

Its not about what you trust. If you have proof show it.

He clocked 151 in the last T20.

 

[Fenrir]

Ravi Shastri was saying that Umran is the quickest bowler in Indian history.India played it’s first test match in 1932 yet it took 90 years for India to find a genuine fast bowler.

 

[ElRaja]

that was a bit of an anti climax, must have been unfit to consistently be that much slower than what he supposedly bowls.

 

[Saj]

Rauf has got some experience behind him.

He's played a few seasons PSL, he's played in the BBL and has played nearly 50 times for Pakistan.

He also some decent varieties.

So far Umran looks a one-trick pony with a lot to learn.

 

[Grunge101]

Well either he's not fit or the speed guns in ipl were definitely turned up or something.
What we've seen of him in this UK series is a bit underwhelming considering what he was seen clocking in the ipl. I remember one delivery at 150/151 in the first match with everything else being in the 142-145 range.

Obviously, that is still genuine pace. But not quite the same territory that many of us (including me) were hyping him up to be in..I really hope it's nerves or fitness and he has it in him to enter the Akhtar/Lee/Tait tier.

 

[Smudger]

Lol some posters here were saying that Akhtar's record will be inevitably broken by Umran. Learn to bowl at 150km consistently first champ then dream of 161km.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Naseem and Umran is a better comparison and not with Rauf.

Naseem and Umran are just at the start of their careers as both have pace with Naseem yet to clock consistently at 140kph or more. Naseem's pace dropped drastically and he didn't look anywhere close to what he promises to be and is now making a return from injury so he won't be back to full pace either.

 

[shamaan]

Its not about what you trust. If you have proof show it.

He clocked 151 in the last T20.

Rauf has clocked 151 multiple times in odis and t20s.

 

[shamaan]

Rauf is way ahead he has better variations and faster.

 

[Savak]

IPL speedguns showed Umrans speeds 10-12 km/hr faster. He was bowling at speeds which Shaheen, Rauf, Naseem have easily reached.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Seriously? Haris has won Pakistan multiple matches...he took a match-winning 4-fer against New Zealand in the WC...he has won the PSL with LQ.

Umran just scored his maiden T20I half century...with the ball.

As of now there is no comparison between the two. One is an international cricketer, while the other is a glorified net bowler who has much to learn.

 

[KyoOne]

Both are Kashmiri. The only similarity

 

[PakLFC]

Didn't see anything special in Malik at all. He'll just be another fast bowler wannabe retiring in a few years. Remember Irfan Pathan and co?

 

[anonymous_guy]

Well either he's not fit or the speed guns in ipl were definitely turned up or something.
What we've seen of him in this UK series is a bit underwhelming considering what he was seen clocking in the ipl. I remember one delivery at 150/151 in the first match with everything else being in the 142-145 range.

Obviously, that is still genuine pace. But not quite the same territory that many of us (including me) were hyping him up to be in..I really hope it's nerves or fitness and he has it in him to enter the Akhtar/Lee/Tait tier.

Can a difference in the ball being used be a reason for his drop in speed?

In india he uses SG ball here in England Dukes are used maybe the grip or different seam width is making a difference, I am not sure but this is just an assumption.

 

[Villager6964]

He is definitely faster than all other Indian pacers but he is not that express pace bowler everybody thinks he is

Although I do want him to do well he is from my city but he is not an express pacer.

He is gonna clock 140-147 regularly in international cricket but not faster than that.

 

[Villager6964]

Rauf has clocked 151 multiple times in odis and t20s.

Haris bowled the fastest ball in T20 world cup last year at 154.5 ks
He is easily faster than umran.

 

[as-95]

Much slower than expected. Will be funny to see another Indian phaast bowler crash and burn like Aaron, Nagartokni (or whatever his name is) so i hope this guy follows the same fate.

Cheers to more games where Umran gets smashed so he can be discarded like the others!

 

[ARK Rafay]

Ravi Shastri was saying that Umran is the quickest bowler in Indian history.India played it’s first test match in 1932 yet it took 90 years for India to find a genuine fast bowler.

Why is that really?

 

[silentkiller187]

Was genuinly excited to see Umran Malik on the internatinal stage but he has been underwhelming so far, intresting his speeds are nowhere near what he was touching in IPL looks more like a trundler. Wonder if anyone could shed some light on why it may be? speed guns turned up in ipl ? do india measure speed differently?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This is why I ask my fellow indian fans to stay grounded and don't hype young fast bowlers but they never learn.

 

[TheSultan]

Well either he's not fit or the speed guns in ipl were definitely turned up or something.
What we've seen of him in this UK series is a bit underwhelming considering what he was seen clocking in the ipl. I remember one delivery at 150/151 in the first match with everything else being in the 142-145 range.

Obviously, that is still genuine pace. But not quite the same territory that many of us (including me) were hyping him up to be in..I really hope it's nerves or fitness and he has it in him to enter the Akhtar/Lee/Tait tier.

He should not even be in the Akhtar, Lee, Tait discussion. Let him see prove himself faster than his Indian counterparts first who are nowhere close to express themselves

 

[JaDed]

I think Umran should be given some time to get the rhythm although I do think currently Prassidh is better.

 

[TeymurBlake]

I will say that this comparison shouldn't work yet, but Naseem and Umran makes more sense. With that being said Haris has improved quite a lot specifically his variation maybe thanks to his BBL stint and Vernon Philander. He does give runs away and is inconsistent but he is improving, specially in the red ball format.

Umran Malik is still young and has plenty to learn. With that being said, maybe be spoilt from watching a lot of Pakistani pacers but Umran Malik doesn't look that impressive to me, he's very much just pace, but that's pretty much it for me.

 

[sweep_shot]

Haris is much more accomplished. Umran is only starting.

Not the time for comparison yet.

 

[giri26]

I wouldn't write of Umran Malik just yet. The guy has hardly played any competitive cricket except for this IPL season. He needs at least a year or so to mature as a fast bowler. He is just a year into his professional career, we need to judge him only after couple more years of cricket. India should persist with him and not treat him like how they have done with the batters over the years.

 

[MenInG]

Leave out the politics.

Stick to the topic.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Rauf is ahead currently.

 

[Marooned]

Rouf unlucky today. He did everything he could in his last over to swing the momentum in our favour but fielding let him down big time.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

This is like comparing a Kawasaki Ninja to a Honda CD70

 

[Rana]

Rauf bowled and fielded so well today

He is a great find for Pakistan

 

[Savak]

Pakistan has the fastest pace attack in this Asia Cup. 3 bowlers touching 144-150 km/hr

 

[Marooned]

Pakistan has the fastest pace attack in this Asia Cup. 3 bowlers touching 144-150 km/hr

Rouf went over 150k maybe 10 times or more this game.

 

[fieldMarshal]

His fastest delivery today was 153 n he was consistently over 150 today.
Lots of control n aggression today.
excellent bowling today

 

[shamaan]

Pakistan has the fastest pace attack in this Asia Cup. 3 bowlers touching 144-150 km/hr

It's proberly thr fastest in the world.

 

[Marooned]

It's proberly thr fastest in the world.

Certainly the fastest.

SA have 2 fast bowlers Nortje and Rabada. We have like 5-6 of them.
Australia surely isn't as fast as us.

 

[shamaan]

Certainly the fastest.

SA have 2 fast bowlers Nortje and Rabada. We have like 5-6 of them.
Australia surely isn't as fast as us.

Hopefully they all fit for the world cup.

 

[MenInG]

Aaqib Javed in an interview:

"Umran Malik is not as trained and fit as Haris Rauf. In his first spell he bowls around 150 KMPH but in his 7th or 8th over his speed drops to 138 KMPH. The difference between Kohli and the rest of the batters is the same with Haris and the rest of the bowlers. He is very disciplined, he follows a certain diet and he sticks to it. I have not seen a single Pakistan bowler who has a diet like Haris. No one has a clear lifestyle like him. Bowling 160 KMPH is not a big deal for me, but bowling at the same speed throughout the match is very crucial,"

 

[jnaveen1980]

Agree with the part where Umran lacks experience. But Rauf is bowling at 160 kph throughout the match? Is he sure?
This is Haris Rauf's 2nd spell 7th over

 

[MenInG]

Agree with the part where Umran lacks experience. But Rauf is bowling at 160 kph throughout the match? Is he sure?
This is Haris Rauf's 2nd spell 7th over

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You are confusing Lahore Qalandars walla banda is better talk with actual analysis.

 

[WengerOut]

Aaqib is correct in saying that average speed must be up there in the mid to higher 140s with regular forays into the 150s. Umran averages late 130s to early 140s. Basically trundler level. Haris is OK in T20s speedwise, but in longer formats i dont think he is that fast average wise.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Umran vs Naseem would be a fair comparison.

 

[Major]

Umran vs Salman Irshad would be a better comparison. Both players from similar region and similar pace.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Umran vs Salman Irshad would be a better comparison. Both players from similar region and similar pace.

When did Salman Irshad clock 155 plus ?

 

[Major]

When did Salman Irshad clock 155 plus ?

151.

Also heard that umran didnt really touch 155 as another chanel showed 145kph. What was that about? Is true or just false?

 

[Major]

When did Salman Irshad clock 155 plus ?

I ubderstand that this your first ever express fast bowler, so you guys might bit be well versed on such biwlers analysis.

Such bowlers are not judged by 1 or 2 balls they bowl. Such bowlers express pace is judged whether yhey can be consistent or not with that pace.

Waseem jr can touch auch a pace aswell but he wont classify as ab express pacer cause his consisstent speed is 145

 

[jnaveen1980]

Neither of them have achieved big enough to compare with each other. Still a long way to go.

 

[Marooned]

Agree with the part where Umran lacks experience. But Rauf is bowling at 160 kph throughout the match? Is he sure?
This is Haris Rauf's 2nd spell 7th over

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That's not what he said. Read again.

Every bowler bowls the odd ball at that pace so that screenshot is lame, but Rauf has had matches (vs India and vs SL in Asia cup) where he bowled 12 of his 24 balls over 150k.. ie. over 50% of the spell.
Only wood can match that but I doubt even he has.

The thing with Rauf is I've always observed he bowls slightly within himself in bilaterals but bowls his top speed at tournaments. That's a good thing imo.

 

[jnaveen1980]

That's not what he said. Read again.

Every bowler bowls the odd ball at that pace so that screenshot is lame, but Rauf has had matches (vs India and vs SL in Asia cup) where he bowled 12 of his 24 balls over 150k.. ie. over 50% of the spell.
Only wood can match that but I doubt even he has.

The thing with Rauf is I've always observed he bowls slightly within himself in bilaterals but bowls his top speed at tournaments. That's a good thing imo.

Check out how many 150ks from Umran in the 2022 IPL.

https://wisden.com/stories/global-t...list-of-fastest-deliveries-recorded-speed-gun

 

[Marooned]

Check out how many 150ks from Umran in the 2022 IPL.

https://wisden.com/stories/global-t...list-of-fastest-deliveries-recorded-speed-gun

Nah. Don't count ipl.

Let him do it in internationals.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Waseem jr can touch auch a pace aswell but he wont classify as ab express pacer cause his consisstent speed is 145

Waseem Jr's consistent pace is 145kph?
That guy more often than not bowls at 137-142 with a few balls touching 145.

 

[Marooned]

Even in ipl it's around 12 balls over 150k for umran in ipl season?

Rauf bowled as many in ONE match.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

151.

Also heard that umran didnt really touch 155 as another chanel showed 145kph. What was that about? Is true or just false?

Umran has bowled 150+ many times, not just in India but also in Nz.

 

[Marooned]

Waseem Jr's consistent pace is 145kph?
That guy more often than not bowls at 137-142 with a few balls touching 145.

That's correct.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Even in ipl it's around 12 balls over 150k for umran in ipl season?

Rauf bowled as many in ONE match.

The list shows fastest ball in each match, it doesn't mean that Umran only bowled 12 150+ balls.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Haris Rauf is useful only in T20's. Average to mediocre in the other 2 formats. Really hope Umran doesn't become a T20 merchant.

 

[Marooned]

The list shows fastest ball in each match, it doesn't mean that Umran only bowled 12 150+ balls.

It's going to be very very close to that number still.
There are a total 23 150k balls there, surely umran didn't play in all of these games. In all probability it can be at best be 1-2 more 150k balls.

The point stands. Basically Rauf bowled as many 150k balls in a single match as Umran's entire ipl season.

 

[cricketjoshila]

151.

Also heard that umran didnt really touch 155 as another chanel showed 145kph. What was that about? Is true or just false?

Lol. That was another match where he clocked 156kph. Two broadcasters showed different speeds.

He had already clocked 155ks the match before.

Umran clocked 153kph in NZ as well.

So don't know who Irshad is and how fast he bowls but among current bowlers only Nortje Ferguson and Wood have bowled in excess of 155kph.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Nah. Don't count ipl.

Let him do it in internationals.

He has done it in international. Even in recent SL series where he picked a wicket with 154 kph ball. He broke the ribs of Shakib al hasan which prevented him from bowling in the Test series. Of the pitch also he is quick. He is not just a guy with good release speed.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's going to be very very close to that number still.
There are a total 23 150k balls there, surely umran didn't play in all of these games. In all probability it can be at best be 1-2 more 150k balls.

The point stands. Basically Rauf bowled as many 150k balls in a single match as Umran's entire ipl season.

If a bowler bowled 10 150k balls in a match only the fastest one would make the list. So what you say makes no sense.

 

[Marooned]

He has done it in international. Even in recent SL series where he picked a wicket with 154 kph ball. He broke the ribs of Shakib al hasan which prevented him from bowling in the Test series. Of the pitch also he is quick. He is not just a guy with good release speed.

But how many 150ks in internationals? that's the point!

In Asia Cup, Rauf bowled 12/24 balls vs india over 150k. 11/24 vs SL. Wood is the only guy who potentially can match this.
Let Umran bowl half as many in one international t20.

 

[Major]

Lol. That was another match where he clocked 156kph. Two broadcasters showed different speeds.

He had already clocked 155ks the match before.

Umran clocked 153kph in NZ as well.

So don't know who Irshad is and how fast he bowls but among current bowlers only Nortje Ferguson and Wood have bowled in excess of 155kph.

Just so you know, against england in international rauf bowled 155 and hasnain bowled 154.

Lol, so you can keep going gaga over your first ever and only 155 kph bowler. We have plenty and plenty in domestic like salman irshad

 

[jnaveen1980]

But how many 150ks in internationals? that's the point!

In Asia Cup, Rauf bowled 12/24 balls vs india over 150k. 11/24 vs SL. Wood is the only guy who potentially can match this.
Let Umran bowl half as many in one international t20.

So you are talking about 4 over spell. Aquib is talking about Umran's 7th over. What did Haris Rauf do in 7th over. I shared the screenshot . He was bowling at 137.8 kph. England was beating Pakistan black and blue. Why did he reduce speed? Don't say he bowled "within himself". I can go through entire highlights and pick several such balls from haris rauf.

 

[Marooned]

So you are talking about 4 over spell. Aquib is talking about Umran's 7th over. What did Haris Rauf do in 7th over. I shared the screenshot . He was bowling at 137.8 kph. England was beating Pakistan black and blue. Why did he reduce speed? Don't say he bowled "within himself". I can go through entire highlights and pick several such balls from haris rauf.

Yes I'm talking about 4 over spells ie t20s but in internationals.

As someone who has watched pretty much every game Haris Rauf has played, he 100% bowls within himself in bilaterals. Not sure why it got you so worked up.

Anyway, there's nothing to discuss here. Let Umran bowl more 150k balls in internationals.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Yes I'm talking about 4 over spells ie t20s but in internationals.

As someone who has watched pretty much every game Haris Rauf has played, he 100% bowls within himself in bilaterals. Not sure why it got you so worked up.

Anyway, there's nothing to discuss here. Let Umran bowl more 150k balls in internationals.

Haris Rauf has only played bilaterals when it comes to ODIs. If Haris doesn't drop speed over 10 overs in an ODI then this statement is valid.

 

[Marooned]

Haris Rauf has only played bilaterals when it comes to ODIs. If Haris doesn't drop speed over 10 overs in an ODI then this statement is valid.

Which statement? Mine?

What's the 1st line of my statement? I'm ofcourse talking about t20s but let's see if it translates to odis too.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yes I'm talking about 4 over spells ie t20s but in internationals.

As someone who has watched pretty much every game Haris Rauf has played, he 100% bowls within himself in bilaterals. Not sure why it got you so worked up.

Anyway, there's nothing to discuss here. Let Umran bowl more 150k balls in internationals.

This discussion is specifically about Aquib's comment. He is talking about 7th over. WHere is 7th over in T20. Even Haris Rauf bowls at the same speed at 7th over. That is internationals. In the history of express pace bowling in the last 20 years only Brett Lee and Akhtar have the claim to maintaining high speeds for a long period. Nobody else. When Rauf's reaches that level he will earn his apprecation.

 

[cricketjoshila]

But how many 150ks in internationals? that's the point!

In Asia Cup, Rauf bowled 12/24 balls vs india over 150k. 11/24 vs SL. Wood is the only guy who potentially can match this.
Let Umran bowl half as many in one international t20.

Let Umran play that many matches. He has played 13 international matches.

 

[Mamoon]

Rauf is officially 29 which means he is actually 32-33 considering almost every Pakistani player is a few years older than the official age.

He is a tape ball bowler who ran away from Test cricket/FC, does not know how to bowl in ODIs & his purple patch in T20Is seems to have come to an end.

He will only regress from this point as age catches up with him & the injuries pile up. I expect him to be out of the picture within 2 years. He is a poor man’s Wahab at best.

On the other hand, Umran is very raw but he is 23 only. He is not going to waste himself playing in every franchise league in the world & instead, he will grind in FC cricket over the next few years & by the time he will be 26-27, he will be ready - both physically & mentally - to perform in all formats.

10 years from now, this would be another laughable comparison thread between a high achieving Indian player & a forgotten Pakistani player who made a lot of noise but achieved nothing in the long run.

 

[Plumb]

Rauf is officially 29 which means he is actually 32-33 considering almost every Pakistani player is a few years older than the official age.

He is a tape ball bowler who ran away from Test cricket/FC, does not know how to bowl in ODIs & his purple patch in T20Is seems to have come to an end.

He will only regress from this point as age catches up with him & the injuries pile up. I expect him to be out of the picture within 2 years. He is a poor man’s Wahab at best.

On the other hand, Umran is very raw but he is 23 only. He is not going to waste himself playing in every franchise league in the world & instead, he will grind in FC cricket over the next few years & by the time he will be 26-27, he will be ready - both physically & mentally - to perform in all formats.

10 years from now, this would be another laughable comparison thread between a high achieving Indian player & a forgotten Pakistani player who made a lot of noise but achieved nothing in the long run.

Very conveniently you gave benefit of doubts to someone who only looks at speed clock after every ball. How sure are you that at 23 he will not come across any injury? have you seen Umran's action? very unstable and prone for injury. Few years ago Ind U19 had Shivam Mavi and Nagarkoti as the fastest bowling sensation any idea where they are now??

As far as tape ball is concerned that's pakistan's culture to produce crickets via tape ball. Every bowler pak has produced came from tape ball.

Just an fyi a fast bowler career is very short, unless one is very talented and their management use them wisely to extend their careers. Only western board seems to achieve that. Any subcontinent board don't exactly know how to use their fast bowlers and they over work them.

Kindly have some sense in the posts rather than blindly bashing Pak cricketers. Lets not bring hate in proper cricket analysis. I am really not trying to prove Rauf ia good/bad bowler but your posts seem to have all the negatives when it comes to Pak cricket. criticize but don't throw hate every single time..

 

[jnaveen1980]

It is not a crime for a fast bowler to drop speed in between as long as they can bowl fast whenever they want to. Some bowlers cannot bowl fast as the day wears on even if they want to. That is what defines the modern day fast bowler. Smartly conserve energy and unleash the power when you need to. You are not going to see bowlers who can bowl at express pace the time. Joffra Archer already explained about how difficult to maintain high speed for long periods match after match in modern era due to workload.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Rauf is a certified choker. Umran will be a top bowler who will win India multiple ICC trophies. Whereas Rauf just throws away chances to win Pakistan trophies. Rauf is past it now aswell.

 

[giri26]

Please give Umran a break. The guy hardly has any experience. He started playing with the cricket ball at the age of 17-18 and made his debut at the domestic level in 2021. To be frank his rise from there to National side has been phenomenal. He hasn't come through age cricket.

Haris Raul has 144 T20 games out of which 57 are T20Is. Has 22 List A games and 9 FC games. On the other hand Umran has just 36 T20 games, 10 List A games and 7 FC games. Also he does not get the option of playing in different leagues around the world to fast track his knowledge and experience. So need to give him another year to see how he goes.

 

[Ab Fan]

Umran is a 22 year old baby and will easily surpass Rauf by the time both retires. Rauf also is a nobody in Tests and ODIs.