The Tuk Tuk culture Misbah-ul-Haq has brought to Pakistan team

[PakWC2015]

Pakistan were a top limited overs side. The batsmen would score at good rates and the team would defend the totals. Our openers would score freely and we would have lower order hitters to push us to a better target. Ontop of that we would have a middle order that would score at a good rate and would get runs. For example, inzi and moyo.

However since Misbah returned to the ODI team the players have seen Misbah play selfish defensive innings and many players have adopted this culture. They want to play defensive and play for their own average even if that means scoring at low S/r. They have learnt that if you play safe and defend a lot it will ensure your place in the team. For that reason our team has been flooded with these players. Shehzad, Azhar, Asad Shafiq to name a few.

While this method worked well for Misbah, at times, and at other times costing pakistan the matches, it is getting more and more out of date with the pace at which the game is playing.

Misbah may be gone but the repercussions of his style of play is still causing our cricket to suffer. One can only hope that we get out of this funk and move forward with the rest of the cricketing world.

 

[in_cutter]

Pakistan were a top limited overs side. The batsmen would score at good rates and the team would defend the totals. Our openers would score freely and we would have lower order hitters to push us to a better target. Ontop of that we would have a middle order that would score at a good rate and would get runs. For example, inzi and moyo.

However since Misbah returned to the ODI team the players have seen Misbah play selfish defensive innings and many players have adopted this culture. They want to play defensive and play for their own average even if that means scoring at low S/r. They have learnt that if you play safe and defend a lot it will ensure your place in the team. For that reason our team has been flooded with these players. Shehzad, Azhar, Asad Shafiq to name a few.

While this method worked well for Misbah, at times, and at other times costing pakistan the matches, it is getting more and more out of date with the pace at which the game is playing.

Misbah may be gone but the repercussions of his style of play is still causing our cricket to suffer. One can only hope that we get out of this funk and move forward with the rest of the cricketing world.

Lol@ the excuses. Always someone else's fault

 

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The Tuk Tuk culture Misbah has brought to our nation

You must be living in some alternative universe because I don't remember pakistan being a top odi side for more than a decade


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[PakWC2015]

Lol@ the excuses. Always someone else's fault

No excuses for the players, they Azhar and Shehzad should both be dropped. But there is no running away from the fact that the Misbah effect is in full flow. While teams score 300+ we struggle to get 250 on most days.

 

[The_KING]

Lol when were Pakistan a top ODI side? Pakistan have been pathetic in ODIs for a decade now long before Misbah became the captain.

 

[in_cutter]

No excuses for the players, they Azhar and Shehzad should both be dropped. But there is no running away from the fact that the Misbah effect is in full flow. While teams score 300+ we struggle to get 250 on most days.

Yup. Misbah is telepathically affecting their batting. Guy is a genius.

 

[Slog]

Lol what the hell is OP smoking?

We were always a slow side

Infact if you look at records the same players played at a quicker rate under Misbah than they did under the 'aggressive' Afridi

And no Pakistan has not been a top limited overs side since 2006.

Since 2006 we have lost series after series against top teams.

Infact theres only a handful of series we can even claim to have been good ODI series wins in all this period imo.

They include an away series win in 2010 against a very poor NZ side.

An away series win in India in 2013.

Asia Cup win in 2012

And the South Africa series win in 2013.

Apart from one all have been under Misbah. Theres been one or maybe 2 against SL in UAE and thats the extent of it if you take out WI, Zim and Bang.

Apart from these wins we have been smashed in ODIs left right and centre since 2006 whether the captain is Inzi, Shoaib Malik, Shahid Afridi or Misbah

 

[Majid Khan]

It's boring to be honest - just can't understand how Pakistan used to be up there in 90s as most thrilling and exciting team to watch in ODI cricket batting first 15 overs and slog overs at end, fluent stroke players and clean hitters.

Now in an era when all other teams are batting with such aggression and quick fire opening pairs, Pakistan barely scores 40 runs in first 10 overs be it T20 or ODI - it's painful and torture to watch.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Pakistan needs a heavy dose of positive cricket. We will not score over 250 till we learn to.

At the moment Pakistan batting is horrible to watch except for the likes of hafeez and Babar who bat fluently.

 

[Hawkeye]

Someone has been smoking something..

Worst thread of the decade record goes to OP. We mostly have good quality discussions on cricket here.

 

[Slog]

It's boring to be honest - just can't understand how Pakistan used to be up there in 90s as most thrilling and exciting team to watch in ODI cricket batting first 15 overs and slog overs at end, fluent stroke players and clean hitters.

Now in an era when all other teams are batting with such aggression and quick fire opening pairs, Pakistan barely scores 40 runs in first 10 overs be it T20 or ODI - it's painful and torture to watch.

Other teams moved on and became more professional.

We were stuck in the 90s only. Even now the plan seems to be the same ie to try to conserve wickets and attack in the lst 10-15 overs which is just not enough anymore.

Also there is severe talent shortage in the country. We need to accept that our stocks are low

 

[marlonbrowndo]

What a joke

 

[PakWC2015]

Lol what the hell is OP smoking?

We were always a slow side

Infact if you look at records the same players played at a quicker rate under Misbah than they did under the 'aggressive' Afridi

And no Pakistan has not been a top limited overs side since 2006.

Since 2006 we have lost series after series against top teams.

Infact theres only a handful of series we can even claim to have been good ODI series wins in all this period imo.

They include an away series win in 2010 against a very poor NZ side.

An away series win in India in 2013.

Asia Cup win in 2012

And the South Africa series win in 2013.

Apart from one all have been under Misbah. Theres been one or maybe 2 against SL in UAE and thats the extent of it if you take out WI, Zim and Bang.

Apart from these wins we have been smashed in ODIs left right and centre since 2006 whether the captain is Inzi, Shoaib Malik, Shahid Afridi or Misbah

Pakistan cricket was competitive, under Misbah and this period after it is not even close. We used to attack and strike fear into the oppsotion with our cricket style of play, teams could never write us off but now we come into every game and we are expected to lose. Relying on lower order super hitting because our top middle order want to block for their lives.

I am not debating about the captain they played 'faster' under. I am talking about how they have been infected by the Misbah culture of Tuk Tuk.

 

[Hawkeye]

Are we really going to see such whining as a 'thread' here?

 

[Majid Khan]

Four boundaries in 7 balls just after I posted that last message, Wow

 

[Slog]

Pakistan cricket was competitive, under Misbah and this period after it is not even close. We used to attack and strike fear into the oppsotion with our cricket style of play, teams could never write us off but now we come into every game and we are expected to lose. Relying on lower order super hitting because our top middle order want to block for their lives.

I am not debating about the captain they played 'faster' under. I am talking about how they have been infected by the Misbah culture of Tuk Tuk.

When was the Pakistan team feared

Do you know our pathetic ODI record since 2006 regardless of whether the series was in Pakistan, UAE or away?

As mentioned we lost more series and lost most of them quite handsomely too and this was all long before Misbah came.

Infact I would argue that since 2006 our best period of ODI cricket was the two year period under Misbah from 2012-2013 (Asia Cup win, India away win, historical SA away win which is sth no subcontinent side had ever done.)

 

[in_cutter]

Babar Azam is batting at more than a run a ball - Misbah must be getting lazy. Needs to up his telepathic tuk tuk powers.

 

[godzilla]

jesus christ, its still misbah's fault?????

what a complete load of absolute moronic bs.

look at the players teyve picked and what theyve done all their careers in domestic - theyre playing exactly as advertised - look at misbah's statistics of when he played with a quick loss of wickets at the top and when he didnt.

cant expect facts to get in the way of stupidity though i suppose.

 

[PakWC2015]

When was the Pakistan team feared

Do you know our pathetic ODI record since 2006 regardless of whether the series was in Pakistan, UAE or away?

As mentioned we lost more series and lost most of them quite handsomely too and this was all long before Misbah came.

Infact I would argue that since 2006 our best period of ODI cricket was the two year period under Misbah from 2012-2013 (Asia Cup win, India away win, historical SA away win which is sth no subcontinent side had ever done.)

Actually if you take the W/L from before Misbah taking over and compare it for since he did there is a considerable difference.

 

[The_KING]

probably another Afridi fan this OP.

 

[PakWC2015]

Babar Azam is batting at more than a run a ball - Misbah must be getting lazy. Needs to up his telepathic tuk tuk powers.

Of course he didn't influence everyone, and i ask you to find where i said he did. Infact this is the kind of players we needed a few years ago but their place in the team was held by certain other players.

 

[Saj]

When things go well it's down to the current players, when things don't go well blame Misbah

 

[in_cutter]

Of course he didn't influence everyone, and i ask you to find where i said he did. Infact this is the kind of players we needed a few years ago but their place in the team was held by certain other players.

So who exactly has he influenced? And who are those players that were held back?

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Stop blaming misbah needlessly.

 

[PakWC2015]

When things go well it's down to the current players, when things don't go well blame Misbah

Of course not, i think Misbah deserves massive credit for his achievements with the test team. Limited overs cricket is not for everyone and unfortunately i think Misbah stayed too long in the ODI format.

 

[Slog]

Actually if you take the W/L from before Misbah taking over and compare it for since he did there is a considerable difference.

well that is just not true.

W/L ratios in ODIs as captain:

Misbah: 1.153
Afridi: 1.05
Younis Khan: .614
Malilk: 2. (But 15 of his 24 wins came against Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Hong Kong)

 

[The_KING]

well that is just not true.

W/L ratios in ODIs as captain:

Misbah: 1.153
Afridi: 1.05
Younis Khan: .614
Malilk: 2. (But 15 of his 24 wins came against Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Hong Kong)

What's Inzi's record?

 

[Saj]

Of course not, i think Misbah deserves massive credit for his achievements with the test team. Limited overs cricket is not for everyone and unfortunately i think Misbah stayed too long in the ODI format.

ok so he is influencing the players nowadays when they struggle but not influencing them when they do well.

 

[Slog]

What's Inzi's record?

1.55

im sure till England tour 2006 it was even better.

went downhill after that win loss to England, 4-1 home loss to India, SA loss and then the dsastrous WC

 

[Kakar]

Pretty sure if Misbah had come in at 20/2, he would not have played the knock Babar has. And since he would have come in at 20/2, people would have defended him scoring 5 runs from his first 30 deliveries.

 

[PakWC2015]

well that is just not true.

W/L ratios in ODIs as captain:

Misbah: 1.153
Afridi: 1.05
Younis Khan: .614
Malilk: 2. (But 15 of his 24 wins came against Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Hong Kong)

Of course if you exclude minnows from the results it goes something like:

Malik: 0.882
Younis Khan: 0.907
Shahid Afridi: 0.939
Misbah: 0.838

So Pakistan were steadily increasing and performing better under each Captain until Misbah took over. Also should be noted Afridi took us to the WC semi final, through the group stages for the first time since 1999.

 

[Slog]

Pretty sure if Misbah had come in at 20/2, he would not have played the knock Babar has. And since he would have come in at 20/2, people would have defended him scoring 5 runs from his first 30 deliveries.

Yes he wouldnt have. But he would normally be coming at 3 or 4 down.

Also Babar edged one or two just above slips. If taken, we would be staring down the barrel that is sure

 

[in_cutter]

Where did i say he has effected everyone?

Who has he affected? Do tell.

 

[PakWC2015]

Who has he affected? Do tell.

I have mentioned it previously. Do look.

 

[dashing_man]

Of course he didn't influence everyone, and i ask you to find where i said he did. Infact this is the kind of players we needed a few years ago but their place in the team was held by certain other players.

Kane Williamson was tuk tuking in the first T20. It was because of Misbah

#MisbahFault

 

[Laal]

What a pathetic thread. I wonder how long OP took to conjure up this brilliant theory.

 

[PakWC2015]

Kane Williamson was tuk tuking in the first T20. It was because of Misbah

#MisbahFault

What a pathetic thread. I wonder how long OP took to conjure up this brilliant theory.

Some more brilliant contributions Quality

 

[Suleiman]

Had one 1 question left on my test, but time was up. Professor said I was too slow.

I blame Misbah. After watching him infect our team with slow batting I have caught it too and it's affecting me in life. It is contagious. Why doesn't he just leave Pakistan let alone Pakistan cricket alone?

 

[carrom_ball]

Misbah was a terrible odi captain but this tuk tuk culture is not his fault, and secondly this tuk tuk culture is way better than boom boom culture of afridi

 

[PakWC2015]

Had one 1 question left on my test, but time was up. Professor said I was too slow.

I blame Misbah. After watching him infect our team with slow batting I have caught it too and it's affecting me in life. It is contagious. Why doesn't he just leave Pakistan let alone Pakistan cricket alone?

I agree with your professor.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Pakistan were a top limited overs side. The batsmen would score at good rates and the team would defend the totals. Our openers would score freely and we would have lower order hitters to push us to a better target. Ontop of that we would have a middle order that would score at a good rate and would get runs. For example, inzi and moyo.

However since Misbah returned to the ODI team the players have seen Misbah play selfish defensive innings and many players have adopted this culture. They want to play defensive and play for their own average even if that means scoring at low S/r. They have learnt that if you play safe and defend a lot it will ensure your place in the team. For that reason our team has been flooded with these players. Shehzad, Azhar, Asad Shafiq to name a few.

While this method worked well for Misbah, at times, and at other times costing pakistan the matches, it is getting more and more out of date with the pace at which the game is playing.

Misbah may be gone but the repercussions of his style of play is still causing our cricket to suffer. One can only hope that we get out of this funk and move forward with the rest of the cricketing world.

Worst thread of the decade.

Have an inept team, and blame it on the person not playing in team.

I am sure you are one of those who :


1. Blame the leaders of Pakistan for the mess Pakistan is in.

2. Blame the teachers for lack of quality education in Pakistan.

3. Blame the management for failure of Umar Akmal.

4. Blame the guy who made your coffee instead of the bitter coffee beans.

 

[Jin Chacha]

I always wonder why the telepathic Tuk Tuk effect of Misbah isn't cancelled out by the telepathic Boom Boom effect of Afridi. Most people seem to believe these two have destroyed our naive talented youngsters more than the Internet and mobile phones have. They are like fickle Greek gods controlling the fates of our youngsta beauties from Mount Olympus to accomplish their grand schemes.

 

[abc_to_xyz]

But Misbah used to cover up real good at the end, while these player play dumb even on a 300+ pitch.

 

[Pete Rose]

This is a patently false thread. Pakistan runrates have been 7th or 8th ranked for the last ten years or so.

 

[Hawkeye]

Some more brilliant contributions Quality

Just exactly what this quality thread deserves.

I wish Afridi had the same telepathic powers and influence over this team.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Pakistan haven't been a good ODI team since 2005 like someone already mentioned. You have only beaten SL and maybe WI consistently since then. Other top 8 teams have easily been as good or better than Pakistan.

 

[Barragan]

It was great watching Hafeez yesterday.

Gave it away in the end, but that counter-attack was a delight to watch and so refreshing from the usual rubbish.

 

[WC-Passion]

Worst thread of the decade.

Have an inept team, and blame it on the person not playing in team.

I am sure you are one of those who :


1. Blame the leaders of Pakistan for the mess Pakistan is in.

2. Blame the teachers for lack of quality education in Pakistan.

3. Blame the management for failure of Umar Akmal.

4. Blame the guy who made your coffee instead of the bitter coffee beans.

Why does one of Sachin,Umar and Afridi come into threads for no reason every single time?

 

[Asif khan]

Other teams moved on and became more professional.

We were stuck in the 90s only. Even now the plan seems to be the same ie to try to conserve wickets and attack in the lst 10-15 overs which is just not enough anymore.

Also there is severe talent shortage in the country. We need to accept that our stocks are low

I'd say in the 90's, mid 90's up we were way ahead of our time. We used to go berserk early doors and although we were still inconsistent, we were thrilling to watch.

I agree about the lack of talent though, we are really struggling in that department these days.

 

[Pete Rose]

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ke-Rates-are-horrendous-for-the-last-15-years

 

[MMHS]

Pakistan were a top limited overs side. The batsmen would score at good rates and the team would defend the totals. Our openers would score freely and we would have lower order hitters to push us to a better target. Ontop of that we would have a middle order that would score at a good rate and would get runs. For example, inzi and moyo.

However since Misbah returned to the ODI team the players have seen Misbah play selfish defensive innings and many players have adopted this culture. They want to play defensive and play for their own average even if that means scoring at low S/r. They have learnt that if you play safe and defend a lot it will ensure your place in the team. For that reason our team has been flooded with these players. Shehzad, Azhar, Asad Shafiq to name a few.

While this method worked well for Misbah, at times, and at other times costing pakistan the matches, it is getting more and more out of date with the pace at which the game is playing.

Misbah may be gone but the repercussions of his style of play is still causing our cricket to suffer. One can only hope that we get out of this funk and move forward with the rest of the cricketing world.

Not the best day to write this sort of fantasy though - the day, when PAK got packed 15 balls before end (in fact, lost 9 with 30+ balls left), against a Kiwi attack, missing 2 of it's main bowlers. You should have preserve this one, for the grand occasion, if ever PAK can finish with 256/4, after 50 overs .....................

 

[Ikball]

Pakistan were a top limited overs side. The batsmen would score at good rates and the team would defend the totals. Our openers would score freely and we would have lower order hitters to push us to a better target. Ontop of that we would have a middle order that would score at a good rate and would get runs. For example, inzi and moyo.

However since Misbah returned to the ODI team the players have seen Misbah play selfish defensive innings and many players have adopted this culture. They want to play defensive and play for their own average even if that means scoring at low S/r. They have learnt that if you play safe and defend a lot it will ensure your place in the team. For that reason our team has been flooded with these players. Shehzad, Azhar, Asad Shafiq to name a few.

While this method worked well for Misbah, at times, and at other times costing pakistan the matches, it is getting more and more out of date with the pace at which the game is playing.

Misbah may be gone but the repercussions of his style of play is still causing our cricket to suffer. One can only hope that we get out of this funk and move forward with the rest of the cricketing world.

Since the end of WC 1999, we are average ODI team. We were never a competitive team nor we are now.

 

[W63L35]

Since the end of WC 1999, we are average ODI team. We were never a competitive team nor we are now.

At least four Pakistani captains have winning record against non-minnow teams since Sep 1, 1999.

 

[Mamoon]

'Misbah inspired me to do tuk tuk in 1999' - Wajahatullah Wasti

 

[PakWC2015]

Why does one of Sachin,Umar and Afridi come into threads for no reason every single time?

Because if you think Misbah was not suitable for Pakistan ODI team then you are automatically and Afridi fan and that means you support Umar Akmal too. Its the way things work around here. You HAVE to be Afridi OR Misbah. So if you criticize one you must be a fan of the other.

Not the best day to write this sort of fantasy though - the day, when PAK got packed 15 balls before end (in fact, lost 9 with 30+ balls left), against a Kiwi attack, missing 2 of it's main bowlers. You should have preserve this one, for the grand occasion, if ever PAK can finish with 256/4, after 50 overs .....................

Nothing to do with the day of writing it at all, just felt it needed to be said. Infact i think this might be the best day to have wrote it, seeing as our number 3 and 4 came out with attacking intent and we went from 20/2 in 5 overs to 154 - 3 in 23 overs. Something that was always used when Misbah was at the crease was he had to play slow due to the early loss of wickets, but i feel this is the approach that is more likely to win you matches. Calculated risk taking and good strike rotation is key. Babar Azam has a handful of Internation experience but he conducted himself brilliantly. Both players did throw it away, Hafeez seemed a little miffed for not getting a single the ball before and lost concentration imo, and Babar just executed his shot poorly but it was a brillaint display of batting and it's a shame the lower order couldnt capitalise on the platform, that being said we got a decent enough total, one we would have took being 20/2 and it was defendable.

Since the end of WC 1999, we are average ODI team. We were never a competitive team nor we are now.

I beg to differ, i feel we were always above average but we did fail to show up to the big tournaments. We were declining but as the stats Vs non minnows show and also the 2011 WC, we were improving. As i posted earlier, from Malik - YK - Afridi there was a steady increase in the W/L. In the World cup we played better than expected, progressed past the group stages comfortably, beating Australia and ending the unbeaten WC streak since 1999 and had the fielding been on par for the Semi-Final against India we would probably have won that match. Sachin is a class player and dropping him 3-4 times is most likely going to cost you, as it did that day in Mohali.

 

[Yanna_Rascala]

At least four Pakistani captains have winning record against non-minnow teams since Sep 1, 1999.

Ahh good to see your obsession with Misbah is still going strong. Are you working on a new voodoo doll for King Misbah?

 

[Abdul]

Quite lugubrious how Misbah-ul-Haq still gets berated for everything despite that he has already taken retirement.

 

[Hamza78]

Misbah crap odi player he's lucky to captain Pakistan for 4 years

 

[Markhor]

Lol when was this golden era OP is speaking of ? Go back and watch the 1999 World Cup, our "most aggressive" ever team were tuk tukking even back then.

It wouldn't be uncommon for us to be going at 3.5-4 RPO for the first 30 overs and we would often rely on late order hitting from Moin and Wasim. And who were these glorious, free flowing openers ? Wajahatullah Wasti ? Imran Farhat ? Yasir the offstump fisherman Hameed ? This issue of lack of rotation of strike during middle overs is nothing new.

I know some people have short memories but we lost ODIs before Misbah believe it or not. Including our worst ever ODI defeat in 2009 vs Sri Lanka at home where we crashed to 75 all out. We also lost home ODI series to India twice, South Africa in 2003 and 2007, Sri Lanka in 2009 and exited the group stages of the 2003 and 2007 World Cup.

 

[Slog]

Lol when was this golden era OP is speaking of ? Go back and watch the 1999 World Cup, our "most aggressive" ever team were tuk tukking even back then.

It wouldn't be uncommon for us to be going at 3.5-4 RPO for the first 30 overs and we would often rely on late order hitting from Moin and Wasim. And who were these glorious, free flowing openers ? Wajahatullah Wasti ? Imran Farhat ? Yasir the offstump fisherman Hameed ? This issue of lack of rotation of strike during middle overs is nothing new.

I know some people have short memories but we lost ODIs before Misbah believe it or not. Including our worst ever ODI defeat in 2009 vs Sri Lanka at home where we crashed to 75 all out. We also lost home ODI series to India twice, South Africa in 2003 and 2007, Sri Lanka in 2009 and exited the group stages of the 2003 and 2007 World Cup.

The last paragraph is a damning indictment of OP and his crew of ignorant Misbah haters

 

[in_cutter]

Because if you think Misbah was not suitable for Pakistan ODI team then you are automatically and Afridi fan and that means you support Umar Akmal too. Its the way things work around here. You HAVE to be Afridi OR Misbah. So if you criticize one you must be a fan of the other.



Nothing to do with the day of writing it at all, just felt it needed to be said. Infact i think this might be the best day to have wrote it, seeing as our number 3 and 4 came out with attacking intent and we went from 20/2 in 5 overs to 154 - 3 in 23 overs. Something that was always used when Misbah was at the crease was he had to play slow due to the early loss of wickets, but i feel this is the approach that is more likely to win you matches. Calculated risk taking and good strike rotation is key. Babar Azam has a handful of Internation experience but he conducted himself brilliantly. Both players did throw it away, Hafeez seemed a little miffed for not getting a single the ball before and lost concentration imo, and Babar just executed his shot poorly but it was a brillaint display of batting and it's a shame the lower order couldnt capitalise on the platform, that being said we got a decent enough total, one we would have took being 20/2 and it was defendable.



I beg to differ, i feel we were always above average but we did fail to show up to the big tournaments. We were declining but as the stats Vs non minnows show and also the 2011 WC, we were improving. As i posted earlier, from Malik - YK - Afridi there was a steady increase in the W/L. In the World cup we played better than expected, progressed past the group stages comfortably, beating Australia and ending the unbeaten WC streak since 1999 and had the fielding been on par for the Semi-Final against India we would probably have won that match. Sachin is a class player and dropping him 3-4 times is most likely going to cost you, as it did that day in Mohali.

So a once in a blue moon attacking batsmanship led you to rant about Misbah. I guess you were waiting for this moment ever since Misbah retired.

 

[PCP_1]

Its just Fear. Fear of losing your place in the team, thus causing the player to think more than the capability of the few active brain cells available which results in overheating and system shut down.

 

[Laal]

Its just Fear. Fear of losing your place in the team, thus causing the player to think more than the capability of the few active brain cells available which results in overheating and system shut down.

No truer words were ever spoken.

 

[asyed]

lol, typical Pakistani mentality. Blame others to hide your own failures!

Sounds like Umar Akmal has started this thread.

 

[sarfarazrules]

I see many misinformed sheep on this thread. The OP has said words that could not be any closer to the truth.

I'll back this up with facts.

Azhar Ali during an interview with Saj mentioned during Misbah's tenure as captain, he specifically set a 250-260 target for the team because he believed with his spin attack (particularly in Ajmal) he could defend anything above 250.

This has also been verifed by other sources close to the Pakistan team. I would rather avoid trying to state the obvious, but I must remind many of the disillusioned ******* of Misbah that he was an extremely defensive captain not just on the field, but it is also a well known open secret that Misbah brought a defensive mindset to our batsmen and rather than encouraging them to play a modern brand of cricket (attacking and positive) he propagated his defensive philosophy to others in the team, who blindly followed his path.

He has hindered many of Pakistan's current batsman. A fine example would be for the case of Ahmed Shehzad. Not that I rate him but it annoys me very much when I see him bat with no intent.

Whatever you think of Umar Akmal, he is Pakistan's most talented batsman and to bat him at number 6 for all these years is possibly the best illustration of Misbah and Waqar's failures to utilise our best players with the bat. I feel sorry for the lad because had he been playing in Australia or India, this guy would have reaped a bigger name on the international stage.

I am a fan of Azhar Ali but he's an awful captain. He got this role on the recommendation from one specific indivdual. Yep you got it, its him again. The biggest doom in Pak's limited over history MISBAH.

 

[in_cutter]

I see many misinformed sheep on this thread. The OP has said words that could not be any closer to the truth.

I'll back this up with facts.

Azhar Ali during an interview with Saj mentioned during Misbah's tenure as captain, he specifically set a 250-260 target for the team because he believed with his spin attack (particularly in Ajmal) he could defend anything above 250.

This has also been verifed by other sources close to the Pakistan team. I would rather avoid trying to state the obvious, but I must remind many of the disillusioned ******* of Misbah that he was an extremely defensive captain not just on the field, but it is also a well known open secret that Misbah brought a defensive mindset to our batsmen and rather than encouraging them to play a modern brand of cricket (attacking and positive) he propagated his defensive philosophy to others in the team, who blindly followed his path.

He has hindered many of Pakistan's current batsman. A fine example would be for the case of Ahmed Shehzad. Not that I rate him but it annoys me very much when I see him bat with no intent.

Whatever you think of Umar Akmal, he is Pakistan's most talented batsman and to bat him at number 6 for all these years is possibly the best illustration of Misbah and Waqar's failures to utilise our best players with the bat. I feel sorry for the lad because had he been playing in Australia or India, this guy would have reaped a bigger name on the international stage.

I am a fan of Azhar Ali but he's an awful captain. He got this role on the recommendation from one specific indivdual. Yep you got it, its him again. The biggest doom in Pak's limited over history MISBAH.

Yup, I whole heartedly agree. if it wasn't for Misbah...Shehzad would have been the next Viv & Umar the new Kohli.

 

[Abdullah719]

He has hindered many of Pakistan's current batsman. A fine example would be for the case of Ahmed Shehzad. Not that I rate him but it annoys me very much when I see him bat with no intent.

Shehzad in his first stint with the Pakistan team (before Misbah became captain): 477 runs at 26.5, SR 67.5. Masha'Allah, that aggression. We were destined to win many World Cups with his amazing Jayasuriya-esque performances before Misbah came and corrupted him. "Facts".

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

lol, typical Pakistani mentality. Blame others to hide your own failures!

Sounds like Umar Akmal has started this thread.

Hilarious. Gold.

 

[in_cutter]

Shehzad in his first stint with the Pakistan team (before Misbah became captain): 477 runs at 26.5, SR 67.5. Masha'Allah, that aggression. We were destined to win many World Cups with his amazing Jayasuriya-esque performances before Misbah came and corrupted him. "Facts".

Mashallah. Look at that earth shattering average & SR [MENTION=139653]sarfarazrules[/MENTION]

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

I despised his over cautious attitude at the crease. He always batted with a body language as if he got out, our batting will perish in no time. I think such timid attitude of his definitely had a bad influence on the approach of our batsmen overall.

 

[cricketInsight]

'Misbah inspired me to do tuk tuk in 1999' - Wajahatullah Wasti

and he continues to inspire a generation of future cricketers.

People forget that Afridi is the hero on the streets not Misbah.

 

[WC-Passion]

Because if you think Misbah was not suitable for Pakistan ODI team then you are automatically and Afridi fan and that means you support Umar Akmal too. Its the way things work around here. You HAVE to be Afridi OR Misbah. So if you criticize one you must be a fan of the other.

I like all 3 so it's a pretty stupid idea.

 

[Markhor]

Shehzad in his first stint with the Pakistan team (before Misbah became captain): 477 runs at 26.5, SR 67.5. Masha'Allah, that aggression. We were destined to win many World Cups with his amazing Jayasuriya-esque performances before Misbah came and corrupted him. "Facts".

And Umar Akmal had a higher avg and SR under...Misbah.

Genuinely, how many fans here have watched cricket before the mid 2000s/current era or is this forum full of teenagers ? All these issues raised like lack of rotation of strike or unsettled opening partnerships are nothing new. People can go search the old threads. So to pin it all on Misbah shows some seriously selective memory.

Can for once players take responsibility for their own careers ? How can any half-intelligent cricket fan think the SOLE reason Umar Akmal or Ahmed Shehzad have failed to live up to their potential was because their captain was somehow plotting to hold them down and NOT to do with their own technical or temperamental/attitude shortcomings ? I've seen it so many times - Youngster X gets called up to Pakistan ---> starts brilliantly (read Yasir Hameed, Imran Farhat, Umar Akmal etc) ---> opposition formulate a plan against them and works the player out ---> youngster X loses form ---> gets dropped but fans will live off those initial performances for years to come and say youngster X was a victim of a PCB conspiracy, he was held down etc and repeat.

Whenever an Australian or English player gets dropped I never hear such hue and cry from them like we do with Pakistani cricketers who'll run to their favoured journalists to whine that their captain cost them, the selectors screwed them etc. Instead they go away quietly and work on their mistakes, some of whom are successful and are recalled, some are not yet move on with their lives.

 

[Syed1]

Look at the aura of King Misbah, influencing our batsmen even months after retiring

 

[The_KING]

Shehzad in his first stint with the Pakistan team (before Misbah became captain): 477 runs at 26.5, SR 67.5. Masha'Allah, that aggression. We were destined to win many World Cups with his amazing Jayasuriya-esque performances before Misbah came and corrupted him. "Facts".

Haha well said. [MENTION=139653]sarfarazrules[/MENTION] next time look at the stats before chatting rubbish.

 

[godzilla]

talk about critical failure of comprehending the term 'fact'.

so a target of 260 is suggested not because thats all the talent available is capable of, as proven time and time again on all their domestic and international records, or because the available talent suffers when trying to perform beyond that ability so a low target would take the pressure off them; but because for some reason a captain, not think tank including the strategy dictated by the coach of course, but because a captain alone decided the best thing for his win loss ratio and success for his team and career and track record is to suppress the batsmen.

honestly, its astounding that some people here have the grey matter to be able to even type on a computer. or breathe for that matter.

 

[PakWC2015]

I know some people have short memories but we lost ODIs before Misbah believe it or not. Including our worst ever ODI defeat in 2009 vs Sri Lanka at home where we crashed to 75 all out. We also lost home ODI series to India twice, South Africa in 2003 and 2007, Sri Lanka in 2009 and exited the group stages of the 2003 and 2007 World Cup.

No mention of a golden era in 2000s but the stats show Post 2007 WC our team was improving W/L despite the numerous changes in captaincy the replacement captain would improve on the W/L of the captain before him. Malik < YK < Afridi. From a humiliating group stages loss in 2007 we got to the Semi-Final in 2011, with some good displays along the way. We showed improvements. All this changed when Misbah took charge and the W/L dipped lower than Maliks.

So a once in a blue moon attacking batsmanship led you to rant about Misbah. I guess you were waiting for this moment ever since Misbah retired.

Incorrect, this thread was started before the 2nd wicket fell. Not sure if it was posted after the 2nd wicket fell but the partnership of Babar and Hafeez had barely started. Was not a knee jerk thread at all. The timings can back up these claims

lol, typical Pakistani mentality. Blame others to hide your own failures!

Sounds like Umar Akmal has started this thread.

I have no failures. I do not play for the team. I am a fan like you and i am expressing my opinion. Umar Akmal is mostly responsible for his own failures, but not fully if i am being fair.

Yup, I whole heartedly agree. if it wasn't for Misbah...Shehzad would have been the next Viv & Umar the new Kohli.

Nowhere did i make that claim. How i wish we could produce batsmen as good as them. But his influence certainly has limited their growth and pegged them back.

Shehzad in his first stint with the Pakistan team (before Misbah became captain): 477 runs at 26.5, SR 67.5. Masha'Allah, that aggression. We were destined to win many World Cups with his amazing Jayasuriya-esque performances before Misbah came and corrupted him. "Facts".

I said Misbahs effect, i never said he had to be captain for this effect to take place. People saw how Misbahs slow approach was accepted simply because he scored some runs while doing it and some players tried to adopt the same method. Unfortunately for Shehzad he has to face the new ball while Misbah gets to escape it with his lower batting order. Although i do feel Shehzad is not good enough for the team anyway, his Misbah-esque S/r has no place in ODI cricket.

I like all 3 so it's a pretty stupid idea.

I agree it is very stupid, but if you have been around this forum you will notice that is how it is. Like the post i am quoting below you. There is no real mentions of Afridi being a better player than Misbah, and no one is making comments about Afridi except for discussing the previous ODI captains (also including YK and Malik in these posts) yet the poster brings up Afridis name and takes a shot at Afridis fans. Why? Because the OP is about Misbah so i must be an Afridi fan. #Logic.

 

[PakWC2015]

Can for once players take responsibility for their own careers ? How can any half-intelligent cricket fan think the SOLE reason Umar Akmal or Ahmed Shehzad have failed to live up to their potential was because their captain was somehow plotting to hold them down and NOT to do with their own technical or temperamental/attitude shortcomings.

Both these players are largely responsible for their own shortcomings. But not wholy with regards to Umar. Umar Akmal, should have been given an extended run in the 3/4 slot to prove his worth and to solidy a position in one of the most important roles in the team. I feel this is his ideal batting position. Instead we had Misbah giving an interview of how they want to make Umar Akmal a 'finisher'. This is not something a player can be forced into. Some players have it and others dont. Akmal was expected to be the better version of Razzaq and Afridi. Come in BANG BANG boundaries galore and lift us to amazing innings. But Akmal needs time to build an innings. He can rotate the strike and he can score boundaries. Instead if he is ever given a chance at 4 he is given A chance. Not a run at the position but A chance. He does have things to work out in his game but he is being messed around by the management. Many players get fed up of this and it is a confidence breaker.

Shehzad needs to be dropped, he is not international standard. He is a tuk tuk type of player, always on the defense. It is strange because he can middle the ball well but fails to pick out the gaps. This is something that he needs to back to domestic cricket and work hard on. As an opener, especially, his strike rate is pathetic.


Strike rotation has always been pathetic but in todays day and age it is something that should be drilled into our players. Akmal can do it, Babar Azam can do it, Fawad Alam did it well from what i recall. Shoaib Malik can even rotate the strike well. It is an important skill and one our players need to be forced to learn. If they can't do it, dont play them. To get the 300+ scores you cannot afford to have as many dot balls as Pakistan have in a match.

 

[Abdullah719]

I said Misbahs effect, i never said he had to be captain for this effect to take place. People saw how Misbahs slow approach was accepted simply because he scored some runs while doing it and some players tried to adopt the same method. Unfortunately for Shehzad he has to face the new ball while Misbah gets to escape it with his lower batting order. Although i do feel Shehzad is not good enough for the team anyway, his Misbah-esque S/r has no place in ODI cricket.

Oh ok, you mean the voodoo Misbah effect. Shehzad knew that Misbah will bat at 4 or 5 and that he is a tuk-tuk king therefore he decided that he himself must also tuk-tuk. And he continued with this method despite being an abject failure. The logic.... I'm trying to find it. No luck yet.

 

[kingusama92]

As usual, somehow Misbah gets blamed.