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There seems to be no end to the suffering of blacks in America.
There is 200+ years of slavery
Followed by 100 years of brutal Jim crow segregation laws and lynchings
Since the 1960s and to date, de facto segregation cause of "white flight" from inner cities to suburbs, mass incarcerations and lynchings replaced by police brutality. That is 400+years of persecution with no end in sight

The more i learn about the history of blacks in USA, i am convinced that "Whites are inherently an evil race"
 
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There seems to be no end to the suffering of blacks in America.
There is 200+ years of slavery
Followed by 100 years of brutal Jim crow segregation laws and lynchings
Since the 1960s and to date, de facto segregation cause of "white flight" from inner cities to suburbs, mass incarcerations and lynchings replaced by police brutality.

The more i learn about the history of blacks in USA, i am convinced that "Whites are inherently an evil race"

Generalization is not cool.

There are many whites who are supporting BLM. There are many whites who do many good things worldwide. There are many white Muslims also.
 
There seems to be no end to the suffering of blacks in America.
There is 200+ years of slavery
Followed by 100 years of brutal Jim crow segregation laws and lynchings
Since the 1960s and to date, de facto segregation cause of "white flight" from inner cities to suburbs, mass incarcerations and lynchings replaced by police brutality. That is 400+years of persecution with no end in sight

The more i learn about the history of blacks in USA, i am convinced that "Whites are inherently an evil race"

Whites are inherently an evil race?

Wow. Straight out of the BLM handbook.
 
All right, calling them inherently evil is a bit out of order. But most whites including white liberals tend to be “subliminally racist"

I have even met some white bosnian muslims who were contaminated by racism
 
Yet its the Liberal "evil' whites that share their nations with others, make laws to fight equality, acknowledge their ancestors killed millions unlike the other races.
 
Yet its the Liberal "evil' whites that share their nations with others, make laws to fight equality, acknowledge their ancestors killed millions unlike the other races.

Liberal whites support minorities because they are a vote bank for the Democratic party in the US. This is not out of the goodness of there heart. They have an actual strategy to get more immigration to the US because that will ensure the Democrats can win elections. Take out the minority vote and the Republicans would win a landslide. So they are not sharing there nation out of love, its a quid pro quo.
 
All right, calling them inherently evil is a bit out of order. But most whites including white liberals tend to be “subliminally racist"

I have even met some white bosnian muslims who were contaminated by racism

I don’t think all of them are racist. I have seen them attending protests as well. Whites are humans like the rest of us. They are no different than any other race in terms of racism. In my opinion we should judge them person to person. I don’t agree with generalizing the whole race. We desi’s are not any less racist if you ask me.

With that said by reading the American history one can understand why this shout against systemic racism is going on.
 
Yet its the Liberal "evil' whites that share their nations with others, make laws to fight equality, acknowledge their ancestors killed millions unlike the other races.

USA and Canada was never white man's land or nation to begin with. We have as much right to be there as anglo-saxons do.
 
90 percent of evil stunts in the world were co ducted by white men so they are pretty pscho evil tbh
 
There seems to be no end to the suffering of blacks in America.
There is 200+ years of slavery
Followed by 100 years of brutal Jim crow segregation laws and lynchings
Since the 1960s and to date, de facto segregation cause of "white flight" from inner cities to suburbs, mass incarcerations and lynchings replaced by police brutality. That is 400+years of persecution with no end in sight

The more i learn about the history of blacks in USA, i am convinced that "Whites are inherently an evil race"

You are wrong. You are thinking the same way as KKK-rednecks who claim that Black people are inferior to them.

Emotions are very high these days but we should not let racism/fascism get to us.

"There is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab, nor for a non-Arab over an Arab. Neither is the white superior over the black, nor is the black superior over the white -- except by piety."

-Prophet Muhammad PBUH
 
These poor oppressed blacks who dominate the crime statistics are free to partion and establish a nation uniquely only for themselves.

Oh wait, these problems will exist even if they only live among themselves and then they will have no one else to blame.

And today another day goes by where a Muslim has died in Palestine, Kashmir, Chechnya, Burma, China etc but no its all about the blacks
 
These poor oppressed blacks who dominate the crime statistics are free to partion and establish a nation uniquely only for themselves.

Oh wait, these problems will exist even if they only live among themselves and then they will have no one else to blame.

And today another day goes by where a Muslim has died in Palestine, Kashmir, Chechnya, Burma, China etc but no its all about the blacks
Where did this problem came from they were kidnapped that's and they have every right to blame the whites for whatever is happening to them sociolly, politically cause even after 1960 to appease the south racist policies were still being made nothing stoped to this day

Black are mostly on Palestinian side of the issue tbh
 
There seems to be no end to the suffering of blacks in America.
There is 200+ years of slavery
Followed by 100 years of brutal Jim crow segregation laws and lynchings
Since the 1960s and to date, de facto segregation cause of "white flight" from inner cities to suburbs, mass incarcerations and lynchings replaced by police brutality. That is 400+years of persecution with no end in sight

The more i learn about the history of blacks in USA, i am convinced that "Whites are inherently an evil race"

So all whites are American?
 
USA and Canada was never white man's land or nation to begin with. We have as much right to be there as anglo-saxons do.

No land was every anyone’s to begin with. There was a time when North America belonged to the buffalo. Then humans from Asia crossed the Bering Strait when it was a land bridge.

So all white people are Anglo-Saxon?
 
90 percent of evil stunts in the world were co ducted by white men so they are pretty pscho evil tbh

Genghis Khan
Taiping Rebellion (most terrible war in history, reduced human population by 2%)
Hirohito
Mao Tse-Tun
Pol Pot
Papa Doc and Baby Doc Duvalier
 
No land was every anyone’s to begin with. There was a time when North America belonged to the buffalo. Then humans from Asia crossed the Bering Strait when it was a land bridge.

So all white people are Anglo-Saxon?

Completely agree. However the thing is white liberals, at least in N. America, have created this white guilt narrative, so that minorities will vote en masse for them. Here in the US without minorities the Republicans would win a landslide in almost every presidential election. So because of white liberals, a lot of minorities blame whites for things that every race and ethnicity either has done or would have done if they had the power.
 
Where did this problem came from they were kidnapped that's and they have every right to blame the whites for whatever is happening to them sociolly, politically cause even after 1960 to appease the south racist policies were still being made nothing stoped to this day

Apart from the Civil Right Act 1968.

Structural racism is not “the whites”.
 
Completely agree. However the thing is white liberals, at least in N. America, have created this white guilt narrative, so that minorities will vote en masse for them. Here in the US without minorities the Republicans would win a landslide in almost every presidential election. So because of white liberals, a lot of minorities blame whites for things that every race and ethnicity either has done or would have done if they had the power.

Shouldn’t white people of conscience denounce slavery, Jim Crow, lynchings, KKK etc.? There’s no point in feeling guilt for historical events but one should understand these in order to start to dismantle structural racism.
 
For more than a week, protests have shaken cities across the US following the death of a black man in police custody.

George Floyd, 46, was arrested in the city of Minneapolis on 25 May for allegedly using counterfeit money to buy a pack of cigarettes. He died after a white police officer kneeled on his neck for nearly nine minutes, while he pleaded that he could not breathe.

The officer, Derek Chauvin, 44, has been dismissed from the police department and charged with murder. Three other officers who were on the scene were also sacked and later charged with abetting the crime.

Unrest has broken out across the country. Police have used tear gas and force against demonstrators and President Donald Trump has threatened to send in the military.

Here, we look at some of the context that will help you understand the fuller picture of what is happening.

1) Police violence and the justice system

There are numerous recent examples of African-American people being killed by law enforcement officers in the US.

High-profile cases from recent years include Philando Castile, Terence Crutcher, Michael Brown and Alton Sterling. In these cases the officers involved were not convicted of any criminal offence.

"I'm tired of hearing about black people dying," one protester in Washington DC said. "I'm tired of being afraid just by being stopped by the cops."

In particular, the George Floyd case has drawn comparisons with the death of Eric Garner in July 2014.

Garner, a 43-year-old father of six, was arrested in New York on suspicion of illegally selling loose cigarettes. In a video recorded by a bystander, white police officer Daniel Pantaleo can be seen with his arm wrapped around Garner's neck in a chokehold.

Garner, an asthmatic, was heard repeatedly saying "I can't breathe" before appearing to lose consciousness. He was later pronounced dead in hospital.

A state grand jury declined to charge the officer with murder.

The case sparked nationwide protests, but the officer never faced any criminal charges and lost his job in 2019 - five years after Garner's death.

George Floyd dies after being arrested by police outside a shop in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Footage shows a white officer, Derek Chauvin, kneeling on Mr Floyd’s neck for several minutes while he is pinned to the floor. Mr Floyd is heard repeatedly saying "I can’t breathe". He is pronounced dead later in hospital.

Four officers involved in the arrest of George Floyd are fired. Protests begin as the video of the arrest is shared widely on social media. Hundreds of demonstrators take to the streets of Minneapolis and vandalise police cars and the police station with graffiti.

Protests spread to other cities including Memphis and Los Angeles. In some places, like Portland, Oregon, protesters lie in the road, chanting "I can’t breathe". Demonstrators again gather around the police station in Minneapolis where the officers involved in George Floyd’s arrest were based and set fire to it. The building is evacuated and police retreat.

President Trump blames the violence on a lack of leadership in Minneapolis and threatens to send in the National Guard in a tweet. He follows it up in a second tweet with a warning "when the looting starts, the shooting starts". The second tweet is hidden by Twitter for "glorifying violence".

A CNN reporter, Omar Jimenez, is arrested while covering the Minneapolis protest. Mr Jimenez was reporting live when police officers handcuffed him. A few minutes later several of his colleagues are also arrested. They are all later released once they are confirmed to be members of the media.

Former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, 44, is charged with murder and manslaughter. The charges carry a combined maximum 35-year sentence.

Violence spreads across the US on the sixth night of protests. A total of at least five people are reported killed in protests from Indianapolis to Chicago. More than 75 cities have seen protests. At least 4,400 people have been arrested. Curfews are imposed across the US to try to stem the unrest.

President Trump threatens to send in the military to quell growing civil unrest. He says if cities and states fail to control the protests and "defend their residents" he will deploy the army and "quickly solve the problem for them". Mr Trump poses in front of a damaged church shortly after police used tear gas to disperse peaceful protesters nearby.

Tens of thousands of protesters again take to the streets. One of the biggest protests is in George Floyd’s hometown of Houston, Texas. Many defy curfews in several cities, but the demonstrations are largely peaceful.

A memorial service for George Floyd is held in Minneapolis. Those gathered in tribute stand in silence for eight minutes, 46 seconds, the amount of time Mr Floyd is alleged to have been on the ground under arrest. Hundreds attended the service, which heard a eulogy from civil rights activist Rev Al Sharpton.

In the case of George Floyd, the speed with which the officers involved were fired, and with which Derek Chauvin was arrested and charged, was unusual.

Former US President Barack Obama said the protests over Floyd's death represented a "genuine and legitimate frustration over a decades-long failure to reform police practices and the broader criminal justice system."

Data collated by the BBC's Reality Check team highlights how the experience of African Americans differs from white Americans when it comes to law and order.

In 2019, African Americans made up less than 14% of the population but accounted for more than 23% of the just over 1,000 fatal shootings by the police.

African Americans are arrested for drug abuse at a much higher rate than white Americans even though surveys show drug use at similar levels for both groups.

In 2018, African Americans represented almost a third of the country's prison population.

This means there are more than 1,000 African-American inmates in federal or state prisons for every 100,000 African Americans, while there are about 200 white inmates for every 100,000 white Americans.

Data from Minneapolis, where Floyd lived, also reflect these law enforcement trends.

2) This did not happen in isolation

George Floyd's death did not happen in a vacuum. It came on the heels of several other high-profile incidents just in the past few weeks that have provoked debates about racism in the country.

On the same day as his death, a video went viral of a white woman in New York's Central Park calling the police after a black man asked her to put her dog on a lead.

An exchange between the two started because Christian Cooper, a bird watcher, was concerned that the dog could endanger wildlife. He filmed Amy Cooper (no relation) threatening to call the police and tell them "there's an African-American man threatening my life".

After calling the emergency operator she repeated, "He's African American," before pleading for them to send an officer.

Ms Cooper was fired from her job and widely condemned.

In a later interview with NBC News, Mr Cooper raised the recent high-profile shooting of Ahmaud Arbery, a 25-year-old black man who was out jogging when he was killed by two white men in February. A third man filmed the shooting.

The case gained widespread attention in the national media and provoked outrage.

It took more than two months for the suspects to be charged.

"We live in an age of Ahmaud Arbery, where black men are gunned down because of assumptions people make about black men, black people, and I'm just not going to participate in that," Mr Cooper said.

Racial divisions in US society are also prevalent in areas such as housing, healthcare and employment.

In 2016, the typical net worth of a white family was found to be nearly 10 times greater than that of a black family. Compared with white Americans, African Americans are almost twice as likely not to have medical insurance.

African Americans are more likely to work in service industry jobs and to live in densely populated areas.

These issues have all contributed to African Americans being disproportionately affected by the coronavirus outbreak, which is happening at the same time as the Floyd protests. George Floyd's autopsy concluded he had coronavirus, although this played no part in his death.

According to the most recent government data more than 34% of those in hospital with coronavirus are black, out of 19,775 cases where race and ethnicity data were available.

New York City has reported that rates of Covid-19 deaths are substantially higher among African Americans than white Americans.

Rates of unemployment during the pandemic, as before, are also higher among African Americans than white Americans. George Floyd lost his job as a bouncer as a result of the coronavirus shutdown.

"The coronavirus does not discriminate, but our housing, economic, and health care policies do," said Andre Perry, a fellow at the Brookings Institution and author of Know Your Price: Valuing Black Lives and Property in America's Black Cities.

"Environmental racism, unaffordable housing, a lack of job opportunities, poverty, and inadequate health care are underlying social conditions, strongly influenced by policy, which place black people and their neighbourhoods at risk."

Such socio-economic inequality also exists in Minneapolis - the city where Floyd died and where the protests began.

Minneapolis has a population of about 430,000 people, less than 20% of whom are black.

Even before layoffs caused by the pandemic, 10% of black residents of the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St Paul were unemployed compared with 4% of whites.

In 2016, 32% of black people living there fell below the poverty line compared with 6.5% of whites.

Neighbourhoods there are highly segregated and black home ownership is among the lowest in the country.

"The same attitudes that led a cop to kneel in the back of a black man's neck, choking him out are the same attitudes held by people in housing markets who facilitate the region's black-white homeownership gap of 46% to 79%," said Mr Perry.

4) The Trump factor

Donald Trump's presidency began with massive, nationwide protests. Now, it could be ending with them.

The women's marches of January 2017 brought hundreds of thousands to US streets for largely peaceful demonstrations. Following George Floyd's death, the protests in the nation's capital, and across the country, have at times turned violent. And while the 2017 events were in direct reaction to Trump's inauguration, the purpose of latest uprising - addressing racial injustice and policing practices - are not specifically about the president.

The president has taken the demonstrations personally, however. Like the women's marches, his actions suggest he views the Floyd marches as an attempt to undermine his presidency. The first set the stage for his administration, and these latest come just five months before he hopes to be re-elected to a second four-year term.

The politics of the situation has clearly influenced the tenor of his response. He echoed a pledge to restore "law and order" that Richard Nixon used successfully in his 1968 and 1972 presidential victories. Trump's controversial decision to clear protesters and stand for photographs with a Bible in front of a church near the White House hints at a desire to court the evangelical voters he needs in November.

Although the root causes of the Floyd protests predate the Trump presidency, the president - by his words and actions, intentional or not - have added fuel the storm.

5) Militarisation of the police

The protests over George Floyd's death have drawn attention to the use of military equipment by police officers. While images of military vehicles being used for crowd control may appear shocking to some, it is not a new phenomenon in the US.

The Department of Defense began a programme in the 1990s allowing the transfer of excess military equipment to police departments. Preference is meant to be given to anti-drug and counter-terror needs.

Today more than 8,000 federal and state law enforcement agencies participate in the programme.

It is overseen by the Defense Logistics Agency, which has the final authority over the type and quantity of equipment made available to different agencies. It does not specify how such equipment should be used.

Data show that surplus military equipment transferred to local law enforcement agencies under the 1033 programme has been rising since the mid-2000s, with spikes after 2010.

As of 2015, more than $5bn worth of military equipment had been distributed to law enforcement agencies under the programme.

Paul Poast, a political science professor at the University of Chicago, said prior to the mid-2000s much US military equipment was "simply not as usable for law enforcement".

"With the start of counter-insurgency fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, manufacturers began to develop weapons that one could say had more 'dual-use': be usable in urban counter-insurgency environments and usable by urban law enforcement.

"The surge starting in the 2010s can be explained by both the popularity of the equipment and the beginning of drawing down troops in Iraq. With less need for such equipment in Iraq, the equipment needed to go somewhere," he said.

Former President Barack Obama barred the military from handing over some types of equipment after criticism that police were too heavy-handed in dealing with protests in Ferguson, Missouri, that followed the killing of an unarmed black teenager by a white police officer in 2014.

But Mr Trump lifted the restrictions in 2017.

Equipment given out under the programme includes aircraft, armoured vehicles and bullet-proof helmets.

Mr Poast said the use of military equipment by police was a key example of how large-scale counter-insurgency campaigns abroad can influence domestic security policy.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52904593
 
Genghis Khan
Taiping Rebellion (most terrible war in history, reduced human population by 2%)
Hirohito
Mao Tse-Tun
Pol Pot
Papa Doc and Baby Doc Duvalier
Left out 10%
 
Apart from the Civil Right Act 1968.

Structural racism is not “the whites”.
It was created by white politicions to appease the racists you can't say tough on crime didn't have any conotation
 
These poor oppressed blacks who dominate the crime statistics are free to partion and establish a nation uniquely only for themselves.

Oh wait, these problems will exist even if they only live among themselves and then they will have no one else to blame.

And today another day goes by where a Muslim has died in Palestine, Kashmir, Chechnya, Burma, China etc but no its all about the blacks

What happens in South Africa has a direct influence on the black populations throughout the world
The black oppression in the Western world was highlighted in the boer wars in the early 20th century
The apartheid movement directly corresponded with the Rosa parks movement and the nation of Islam rallying against White supremacy
Nowadays there is black supremacy in Zimbabwe and south Africa but there is still huge crime in South Africa and violent robbing and murder

The problem is obviously corruption as you have wealthy African and black leaders but their populations live in huge poverty all over Europe and North america
 
Liberal whites support minorities because they are a vote bank for the Democratic party in the US. This is not out of the goodness of there heart. They have an actual strategy to get more immigration to the US because that will ensure the Democrats can win elections. Take out the minority vote and the Republicans would win a landslide. So they are not sharing there nation out of love, its a quid pro quo.

Conveniently you miss the part of US history when blacks used to vote en masse for the Republican Party.

What changed ? After the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act, Richard Nixon and the GOP launched the "Southern Strategy" to win over disaffected white Democratic voters in the South. It was a thinly disguised effort to exploit racial fears of white voters, which Trump has now taken to the extreme.

Infact several GOP chairs have publicly apologised for the Southern Strategy.

So don't pedal this nonsense that only one party in the US does race baiting for vote bank purposes.
 
Throughout their history the black people have suffered at the hands of all. Their rulers sold them as slaves to Arabs, Whites and anyone willing to pay. They were treated like dirt for Millenia and the black movements that arose against oppression were right and made significant progress to a point where open racism is a rarity in most civilised places. It will never totally end because its the nature of many human beings to look for and find differences between peoples.
The single biggest obstacle to black communities accessing equality is the lack of education and most importantly, the resistance to education in disproportionately large numbers in those communities. Too many of those that claim discrimination don't have the skills to get the higher paid jobs and then the blame game starts. They should be fighting for investment in education and training in their communities because without this, nothing will change and in 40 years we will still have the same issues.
 
It was created by white politicions to appease the racists you can't say tough on crime didn't have any conotation

The Civil Rights Act 1968 that extended the vote to blacks was to appease racists? :79:
 
At least blacks have a voice in the US these days, things may not be where they should be, but they are improving. I mean I assume the OP is of Pakistani heritage, yet he is talking about black rights, that shows how far they have come since the 60s.
 
Throughout their history the black people have suffered at the hands of all. Their rulers sold them as slaves to Arabs, Whites and anyone willing to pay. They were treated like dirt for Millenia and the black movements that arose against oppression were right and made significant progress to a point where open racism is a rarity in most civilised places. It will never totally end because its the nature of many human beings to look for and find differences between peoples.
The single biggest obstacle to black communities accessing equality is the lack of education and most importantly, the resistance to education in disproportionately large numbers in those communities. Too many of those that claim discrimination don't have the skills to get the higher paid jobs and then the blame game starts. They should be fighting for investment in education and training in their communities because without this, nothing will change and in 40 years we will still have the same issues.

Good post.
 
Meh. Some blame has to go on black leadership aswell, they still haven't figured out what America is about. It's all about the dollar dollar bill. The blacks need to fight for better school system, better housing and policing in their neighborhoods rather than off shoot protests when someone dies to police brutality.

I don' t get how blacks are okay with sending their kids to medicore schools that ensure their kids stay trapped in poverty. It's really the small fundamental thing that should be the focus, but unfortunately the blacks constantly keep on getting played.
 
The Civil Rights Act 1968 that extended the vote to blacks was to appease racists? :79:
Structural racism it grew in strength after '68 cause that was one of the few ways left to keep em down in society

Know I don't think people gathered in a town hall to discuss all of this (although possible) but more likely these policies were disguised in some ways to appease for the southern vote and every campaign added to this
 
Meh. Some blame has to go on black leadership aswell, they still haven't figured out what America is about. It's all about the dollar dollar bill. The blacks need to fight for better school system, better housing and policing in their neighborhoods rather than off shoot protests when someone dies to police brutality.

I don' t get how blacks are okay with sending their kids to medicore schools that ensure their kids stay trapped in poverty. It's really the small fundamental thing that should be the focus, but unfortunately the blacks constantly keep on getting played.
They cannot afford houses in good school districts no one can possibly live in these districts without stable good paying jobs or businesses so can't Asians, S Asians, Latinos only Asians broke through this cycle because they had a history of success behind em in thier families which helps a lot cause your expectations are higher from yourself and family pressure too
 
Not enough is said about Mass Incarceration, mostly thanks to Nixon, Reagan and Clinton. The decision to toss aside community investment in favour cracking down hard on even minor offences, introducing things like mandatory minimums and "3 strikes and you're out" law, those deicisions came straight from the top (with the backroom funding of private prison companies, it's not a coincidence.) 97% of the current prison population are there without trial. Does that sound like the land of the free?

They did this in order to purposely sky rocket the prison population with the lower classes, which due to previous racial economic inequality massively consisted of black and latino people. Black males make up 6% of the entire population but 42% of the prison population. Is it because black people are inherently violent and need to be locked up?

Kalief Browder was a 17 year-old black teenager walking home with his friend from a party, and he was incorrectly arrested on suspicion for stealing a backpack, even though there was nothing found on him at all. They pressured him to just plead guilty and take a plea deal, otherwise if it goes to court they would get him a much larger sentence, but he refused to because he was innocent and he thought it wasn't the right thing to do. His family could not afford the bail, so he was held for 3 years in Rikers island awaiting trial, one of the most violent prisons in the country. He spent 2 of those years in solitary confinement, and regularly got assaulted by guards and prisoners alike. He attempted suicide 3 times. He was finally released due to lack of evidence. 2 years later he committed suicide.

Systems of oppression often reinvent themselves with the times, but they are by no means non-existent.
 
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They cannot afford houses in good school districts no one can possibly live in these districts without stable good paying jobs or businesses so can't Asians, S Asians, Latinos only Asians broke through this cycle because they had a history of success behind em in thier families which helps a lot cause your expectations are higher from yourself and family pressure too

Yeah, I'm not saying move to better school districts, I'm saying fix your own school district. I went to a suburban school in NY which had a mix of black and white kids and I can tell you that white parents were way more involved in school activities than black or brown parents (organizing PSA, parent teacher committees and etc) I knew alot of my white friend's parents by their first names because of how active they were in making sure we got what we needed and I'll always appreciate that. I'm sure this could be due to economic statuses but it's one example of how attitude towards education needs to change. The blacks should demand more from their local schools, they have the lowest literacy and math rate and highest drop out rate. It should be a collective effort to improve the high school education system in urban neighborhoods and that is where the real outrage should go, it has messed up generations of black people.
 
Yeah, I'm not saying move to better school districts, I'm saying fix your own school district. I went to a suburban school in NY which had a mix of black and white kids and I can tell you that white parents were way more involved in school activities than black or brown parents (organizing PSA, parent teacher committees and etc) I knew alot of my white friend's parents by their first names because of how active they were in making sure we got what we needed and I'll always appreciate that. I'm sure this could be due to economic statuses but it's one example of how attitude towards education needs to change. The blacks should demand more from their local schools, they have the lowest literacy and math rate and highest drop out rate. It should be a collective effort to improve the high school education system in urban neighborhoods and that is where the real outrage should go, it has messed up generations of black people.
In some ways you are right but not all the way good school districts charge higher taxes so the higher rents but bad districts charge less taxes shown by relatively cheaper rents and this money really helps them in sending the kids to college the good districts

Know I don't know how you can manage this disparity in education cause in different neighborhoods the quality of education is vastly different(as someone who went to middle school part of high school in inner city and also in suburbs it was like going from Phoenix University to Harvard 😁) leading to another generation of poverty
 
Not enough is said about Mass Incarceration, mostly thanks to Nixon, Reagan and Clinton. The decision to toss aside community investment in favour cracking down hard on even minor offences, introducing things like mandatory minimums and "3 strikes and you're out" law, those deicisions came straight from the top (with the backroom funding of private prison companies, it's not a coincidence.) 97% of the current prison population are there without trial. Does that sound like the land of the free?

They did this in order to purposely sky rocket the prison population with the lower classes, which due to previous racial economic inequality massively consisted of black and latino people. Black males make up 6% of the entire population but 42% of the prison population. Is it because black people are inherently violent and need to be locked up?

Kalief Browder was a 17 year-old black teenager walking home with his friend from a party, and he was incorrectly arrested on suspicion for stealing a backpack, even though there was nothing found on him at all. They pressured him to just plead guilty and take a plea deal, otherwise if it goes to court they would get him a much larger sentence, but he refused to because he was innocent and he thought it wasn't the right thing to do. His family could not afford the bail, so he was held for 3 years in Rikers island awaiting trial, one of the most violent prisons in the country. He spent 2 of those years in solitary confinement, and regularly got assaulted by guards and prisoners alike. He attempted suicide 3 times. He was finally released due to lack of evidence. 2 years later he committed suicide.

Systems of oppression often reinvent themselves with the times, but they are by no means non-existent.

I would legalise all drugs as a start. Anyone that wants to sell or buy gets to do it without much hinderence anyway, this would stop the grooming of poor black children by gangs and the movement into criminality. I would educate the people to stop taking drugs but if they insist then it has to be sold legally and safely as possible. I would offer all kids in inner city free College education to break the cycle of failure and if not college then at least Apprenticeships. For me education education education is the only way to break the cycle.
 
Conveniently you miss the part of US history when blacks used to vote en masse for the Republican Party.

What changed ? After the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act, Richard Nixon and the GOP launched the "Southern Strategy" to win over disaffected white Democratic voters in the South. It was a thinly disguised effort to exploit racial fears of white voters, which Trump has now taken to the extreme.

Infact several GOP chairs have publicly apologised for the Southern Strategy.


So don't pedal this nonsense that only one party in the US does race baiting for vote bank purposes.

Yea that's all true, but the reason i did not mention that was because i was responding to another post which was suggesting that Liberal Whites out of the goodness of there hearts support minorities. I did not say that White conservatives like minorities, nor do i support the GOP.
 
Shouldn’t white people of conscience denounce slavery, Jim Crow, lynchings, KKK etc.? There’s no point in feeling guilt for historical events but one should understand these in order to start to dismantle structural racism.

Yea they have already done that. No one is advocating that any of that be reinstated or that it was justified. Also whites are not structurally discriminating against minorities. This does not mean that individual racism does not exist.
 
I would legalise all drugs as a start. Anyone that wants to sell or buy gets to do it without much hinderence anyway, this would stop the grooming of poor black children by gangs and the movement into criminality. I would educate the people to stop taking drugs but if they insist then it has to be sold legally and safely as possible. I would offer all kids in inner city free College education to break the cycle of failure and if not college then at least Apprenticeships. For me education education education is the only way to break the cycle.
110% agreed that's one of the few ways this cycle can be broken and I think school districts can also be given extra grants to balance out this huge inequality in education cause lots of kids in inner city can't cope with the rigorous college education not because they're stupid but because the education in their school is just pathetic too say the least so first step should be to get make school districts at the very least average

And Apprenticeships is a great idea because after graduation kids are clueless cause schools never guides them in anything so they mostly end up working minimum wage jobs or selling dope "part time" while working on a "trap" album 😁 so at the very least there can be a career fest where these guys can learn and earn at the same time will be able to move into middle class with these jobs

You are right about drugs too but tbh they're mostly a white problem know a days hood been out of it for a while
It still happens but nothing too crazy
 
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There seems to be no end to the suffering of blacks in America.
There is 200+ years of slavery
Followed by 100 years of brutal Jim crow segregation laws and lynchings
Since the 1960s and to date, de facto segregation cause of "white flight" from inner cities to suburbs, mass incarcerations and lynchings replaced by police brutality. That is 400+years of persecution with no end in sight

The more i learn about the history of blacks in USA, i am convinced that "Whites are inherently an evil race"

Bold statement is as true as Muslims being terrorists.
 
Inherently white racist population lost 2% of population in civil war in US.
 
Bold statement is as true as Muslims being terrorists.

ISIS and Al-Qaeda are a lunatic fringe and let me make it absolutely clear that i and most ordinary muslims have no sympathy for them.

But it was ordinary southern whites and not the fringe who got sadistic pleasure out of lynching blacks. Thousands gathered to view lynchings including women and children

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=201&v=CiyQFG6uHgg&feature=emb_logo

White in america have an excuse for hating muslims because according to them we are all terrorists.

But my question is that what did the blacks do to anyone to warrant persecution and hatred. Yet america is a vile and racist society that just cannot stop despising them.
200 + years of slavery, another 100 years of Jim crow segregation laws and lynchings, and then life in ghettos and police brutality since 1960s
 
Inherently white racist population lost 2% of population in civil war in US.

Iraq has lost a million people since the US invasion in 2003
Are they animals who could be easily dispensed with as collateral damage because of white man's desire to control the oil wealth of the region
 
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There seems to be no end to the suffering of blacks in America.
There is 200+ years of slavery
Followed by 100 years of brutal Jim crow segregation laws and lynchings
Since the 1960s and to date, de facto segregation cause of "white flight" from inner cities to suburbs, mass incarcerations and lynchings replaced by police brutality. That is 400+years of persecution with no end in sight

The more i learn about the history of blacks in USA, i am convinced that "Whites are inherently an evil race"

Your comments are racist, pure and simple, even against white race and I condemn it. Two wrongs cannot be right.

You are trying to condemn racism but saying racial slur.

Many people living out side USA love to say negative things about USA, but who can blame them, when USA with its wrong policies over decades has created trouble in many parts of the world and have been responsible behind death of thousand of civilians in many countries.

But that does not mean we ignore the facts.

The fact is racism is still a problem in US police and in some communities in deep south. Otherwise America and Americans have come a long way in making progress on this issue.

Vast majority of blacks in America are not suffering, they are enjoying the privileges provided to them which they deserve and have earned thanks to decades long civil right movement. Now they are a pivileged class in majority of states in USA. They get preferential treatment in most of the matters in daily life, whether its admission in school, colleges and universities or jobs in public and private sector.

So blacks in USA enjoying a better life than blacks anywhere in the world, no wonder blacks from all over the world, keep coming and keep trying to come to USA.

I am happy so many people in USA, majority of them are white are risking their health and participating in the uprising against the police brutality against blacks.
 
Your comments are racist, pure and simple, even against white race and I condemn it. Two wrongs cannot be right.

Read my next post on this thread. I can't go back and edit the first one

All right, calling them inherently evil is a bit out of order. But most whites including white liberals tend to be “subliminally racist"
 
I'm stunned to see so many racial comments on this thread . I'm sure most or all of them must be from people not living in USA because there is so much awareness about racism in USA , people think twice before saying anything racial and they know very well what exactly racism is .
 
No White-American alive today held any slaves.

No African-American alive today was held as a slave.
 
People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2017-2020

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, Other, and then unknown.

More whites are shot to death by the US police than blacks, in any given year. More blacks kill blacks when it comes to homocide.

Yes there is racism in the USA, but to suggest blacks are systematically targetted by the police behind a racist motive is just horse pukky of the highest order.

Yet we are lead to believe it is blacks who are suffering in America through oppression and systematic racism.
 
Read my next post on this thread. I can't go back and edit the first one

All right, calling them inherently evil is a bit out of order. But most whites including white liberals tend to be “subliminally racist"

A bit out of order?

A tiny bit?

Your original view was:

i am convinced that "Whites are inherently an evil race"

Condemning a large group of people as evil just because of their ethnicity/race should be the prime example of racism.

What you are saying is that regardless of a person's upbringing, worldview and education, they are evil just because of the random ethnic background they were born into.
 
People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2017-2020

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, Other, and then unknown.

More whites are shot to death by the US police than blacks, in any given year. More blacks kill blacks when it comes to homocide.

Yes there is racism in the USA, but to suggest blacks are systematically targetted by the police behind a racist motive is just horse pukky of the highest order.

Yet we are lead to believe it is blacks who are suffering in America through oppression and systematic racism.

Were the whites unlawfully shot to death by the police or did they happen to be shooting a school when the police caught them?

Are blacks killing blacks a result of gang violence or do black go around killing other blacks just for the heck of it?

George Floyd was killed in an unjust way.

There are recorded events showing police using too much force towards black suspects and often time the victim dies.

If you want to counter that claim you need to bring evidence, that there at least equal amount of events where non-blacks were victim of excessive force by the police.

Just bringing another bunch of statistics to counter a bunch of statistics doesn't address the real issue, regardless of the illegal rioting and the exaggerated rhetoric.
 
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Structural racism it grew in strength after '68 cause that was one of the few ways left to keep em down in society

Know I don't think people gathered in a town hall to discuss all of this (although possible) but more likely these policies were disguised in some ways to appease for the southern vote and every campaign added to this

As [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] mentioned that was Nixon. LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act.
 

Save the bravado. If only you could think independantly instead of being brainwashed by the media, then you would ALSO see that the stats confirm that black are proportionality more likey to be shot by the police. Let this sink in.

Now run along.
 
Whites arent inherintley racist but white nations have shown systematic racism for hundreds of years. White nations have butchered more people of colour more than the rest of the planet put together. Hitler was white too, lets not forget.

One thing we cannot forget , the white nations would have struggled with the slave trade but black leaders in Africa helped them to capture and inprison blacks ready to be sold to the white slave traders. Essentially it was the blacks who sold out their fellow Africans for some gold, luxaries or white women.
 
One thing we cannot forget , the white nations would have struggled with the slave trade but black leaders in Africa helped them to capture and inprison blacks ready to be sold to the white slave traders. Essentially it was the blacks who sold out their fellow Africans for some gold, luxaries or white women.

This is true.

Even to this day, Africa is in poverty and misery even though they are now independent.

Racism needs to be addressed but other factors need to be addressed as well.
 
Whites arent inherintley racist but white nations have shown systematic racism for hundreds of years. White nations have butchered more people of colour more than the rest of the planet put together. Hitler was white too, lets not forget.

One thing we cannot forget , the white nations would have struggled with the slave trade but black leaders in Africa helped them to capture and inprison blacks ready to be sold to the white slave traders. Essentially it was the blacks who sold out their fellow Africans for some gold, luxaries or white women.

People seem to forget that black people need to take responsibility too. Right now the propaganda is the blame game.
 
Save the bravado. If only you could think independantly instead of being brainwashed by the media, then you would ALSO see that the stats confirm that black are proportionality more likey to be shot by the police. Let this sink in.

Now run along.

Save the hostility. If only you could look at the context you are responding to instead of letting everybody know you are in a bad mood. You most likely didn't read my reply properly otherwise your response wouldn't seem so irrelevant.

I am interested in the statistic of how often police has been caught using excessive force against a particular ethnicity without legitimate reasons.

I am also interested in colorful charts of how likely a person of particular race is to resist an arrest.
 
This is true.

Even to this day, Africa is in poverty and misery even though they are now independent.

Racism needs to be addressed but other factors need to be addressed as well.

People seem to forget that black people need to take responsibility too. Right now the propaganda is the blame game.

Those days seems have to gone now, blacks will be treated with the same sensitivity as Jews, ok thats going too far but it wont be easy in society to criticise.
 
Whites arent inherintley racist but white nations have shown systematic racism for hundreds of years. White nations have butchered more people of colour more than the rest of the planet put together. Hitler was white too, lets not forget.

One thing we cannot forget , the white nations would have struggled with the slave trade but black leaders in Africa helped them to capture and inprison blacks ready to be sold to the white slave traders. Essentially it was the blacks who sold out their fellow Africans for some gold, luxaries or white women.

I heard some (Muslim) Arabs were involved too.
 
I heard some (Muslim) Arabs were involved too.

Slave trade was a nomral part of economics around the world. Yes Muslim held slaves but were also told to release them as part of their faith. While white nations turned slavery into a huge industry, USA was built on the back of slaves, inc the white house. Islam honoured a black slave with right to be the first person to stand on the Kaaba and recite the Adhan. USA helped elect an Uncle Tom named Obama who did nothing for his people, but he wasnt black but mixed race and raised by a white woman.
 
Slave trade was a nomral part of economics around the world. Yes Muslim held slaves but were also told to release them as part of their faith. While white nations turned slavery into a huge industry, USA was built on the back of slaves, inc the white house. Islam honoured a black slave with right to be the first person to stand on the Kaaba and recite the Adhan. USA helped elect an Uncle Tom named Obama who did nothing for his people, but he wasnt black but mixed race and raised by a white woman.

I am not arguing whether Muslims held slaves or not. I am quite aware of it from Islamic POV.

I just felt that if we are going to use this topic to reflect upon History and learn from it, then besides black selling other blacks to whites we should also acknowledge that some Arabs happened to be the slave traders too, who would trade the black slaves which were then shipped to the USA.

If the blacks hadn't sold other blacks to the white nation there still would have been Arab merchants to buy black slaves from. That's my main point.
 
I am not arguing whether Muslims held slaves or not. I am quite aware of it from Islamic POV.

I just felt that if we are going to use this topic to reflect upon History and learn from it, then besides black selling other blacks to whites we should also acknowledge that some Arabs happened to be the slave traders too, who would trade the black slaves which were then shipped to the USA.

If the blacks hadn't sold other blacks to the white nation there still would have been Arab merchants to buy black slaves from. That's my main point.

Or other blacks too , they also held slaves.

The difference is whites turned the slave trade into an huge industry, which I have mentioned.
 
I think black folks should take a look at how China and Chinese people have turned things around. China was a struggling country 40 years ago. Poverty was rampant. Chinese people also suffered discrimination just like many other minorities.

Look at them now. They are now a powerhouse. They didn't achieve this by complaining. They achieved it with discipline and effective visions/policies.

It takes time to fix social issues. People have to be patient.
 
I think black folks should take a look at how China and Chinese people have turned things around. China was a struggling country 40 years ago. Poverty was rampant. Chinese people also suffered discrimination just like many other minorities.

Look at them now. They are now a powerhouse. They didn't achieve this by complaining. They achieved it with discipline and effective visions/policies.

It takes time to fix social issues. People have to be patient.

What China or its people have done in no way collates with what African Americans have to face.
 
I'm stunned to see so many racial comments on this thread . I'm sure most or all of them must be from people not living in USA because there is so much awareness about racism in USA , people think twice before saying anything racial and they know very well what exactly racism is .

Clearly USA is an utopia of racial harmony and tolerance. :))):)))
A bastion of democracy and freedom :14::14:
 
Clearly USA is an utopia of racial harmony and tolerance. :))):)))
A bastion of democracy and freedom :14::14:

No, its not but the awareness about racism is far more than any other country in the world. If I founds posting the lines you have written I could lose my job here in USA. I bet you won;t write such thing on social media without hiding your identity, because its a racial slur and crime in USA and many western countries.
 
No, its not but the awareness about racism is far more than any other country in the world. If I founds posting the lines you have written I could lose my job here in USA. I bet you won;t write such thing on social media without hiding your identity, because its a racial slur and crime in USA and many western countries.

Ku klux klan are still allowed to march in rallies across America, and say things like "white power" and use the n-word, in the name of "freedom of speech"
While minorities can lose their job for pointing out that most whites are racist. Interesting
 
Ku klux klan are still allowed to march in rallies across America, and say things like "white power" and use the n-word, in the name of "freedom of speech"
While minorities can lose their job for pointing out that most whites are racist. Interesting

Irony here is too strong.

If you want to counter racism by another racist view, you lost the plot.
 
Ku klux klan are still allowed to march in rallies across America, and say things like "white power" and use the n-word, in the name of "freedom of speech"
While minorities can lose their job for pointing out that most whites are racist. Interesting

I do find the use of N word racist and then i see the black guys use it glibly, with no idea of how much pain and violence was behind that word. That word should have been confined to the dustbin of history
 
I think black folks should take a look at how China and Chinese people have turned things around. China was a struggling country 40 years ago. Poverty was rampant. Chinese people also suffered discrimination just like many other minorities.

Look at them now. They are now a powerhouse. They didn't achieve this by complaining. They achieved it with discipline and effective visions/policies.

It takes time to fix social issues. People have to be patient.

is 400 years not long enough to be "patient".?

The Chinese situation cannot be compared to the situation of the African Carribbean populace in the united states. They are two totally different situations. China had to go through multiple cases of genocide ,war and revolution before it eventually ended up where it is. China is also made up of a considerable number of ethnic groups. And I mean outside of Xianjiang province. They also didnt have a organised industrial level slave trade from africa.

Coming onto the slave trade, due to its nature and I would recommend reading around the subject, approximately 3 million Muslims were traffiked to the New World Out of about 16 million people and those numbers are an estimate. They were treated like animals. Literally. There was no difference between buying a Goat or buying a black slave.

So in short I suggest you park your ignorance and start to read up on the subject.
 
is 400 years not long enough to be "patient".?

So in short I suggest you park your ignorance and start to read up on the subject.

So, you expect changes to happen quickly? All the best with that.

Slave thing happened so many years ago. Present generation has nothing to do with slave trade.

The reason why I brought up Chinese comparison is because I wanted to show how things can change. It was an example and not a comparison.
 
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People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2017-2020

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, Other, and then unknown.

More whites are shot to death by the US police than blacks, in any given year. More blacks kill blacks when it comes to homocide.

No Sh1t Sherlock
Blacks are only 13% of USA population, and yet they are still 3 times more likely to be shot by police than whites.


Yes there is racism in the USA, but to suggest blacks are systematically targetted by the police behind a racist motive is just horse pukky of the highest order.

Yet we are lead to believe it is blacks who are suffering in America through oppression and systematic racism.

How is the schizophrenia?
Or where have you been living, under a rock?
 
is 400 years not long enough to be "patient".?

The Chinese situation cannot be compared to the situation of the African Carribbean populace in the united states. They are two totally different situations. China had to go through multiple cases of genocide ,war and revolution before it eventually ended up where it is. China is also made up of a considerable number of ethnic groups. And I mean outside of Xianjiang province. They also didnt have a organised industrial level slave trade from africa.

Coming onto the slave trade, due to its nature and I would recommend reading around the subject, approximately 3 million Muslims were traffiked to the New World Out of about 16 million people and those numbers are an estimate. They were treated like animals. Literally. There was no difference between buying a Goat or buying a black slave.

So in short I suggest you park your ignorance and start to read up on the subject.

https://www.history.com/news/whipped-peter-slavery-photo-scourged-back-real-story-civil-war


The Shocking Photo of 'Whipped Peter' That Made Slavery's Brutality Impossible to Deny
The widely circulated image of Peter's wounds helped turn white Northerners against slavery.

scourged_back_slave_lead_img.webp


An escaped slave named Peter showing his scarred back at a medical examination in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 1863.

Library of Congress
 
https://www.history.com/news/whipped-peter-slavery-photo-scourged-back-real-story-civil-war


The Shocking Photo of 'Whipped Peter' That Made Slavery's Brutality Impossible to Deny
The widely circulated image of Peter's wounds helped turn white Northerners against slavery.

scourged_back_slave_lead_img.webp


An escaped slave named Peter showing his scarred back at a medical examination in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 1863.

Library of Congress

I don't think anyone is denying that slavery happened. Everyone pretty much knows that there are many bad things that have happened to the ancestors of the present black folks. But, how is that relevant in modern times? It is like me complaining about British atrocities in Bengal 200 years ago.

Many ethnicity in human history have suffered like this. Americans literally nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Hitler did far worse things to the Jews.

We should recognize the struggle of black folks but protesting for 2 weeks is a bit over the top.
 
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No Sh1t Sherlock
Blacks are only 13% of USA population, and yet they are still 3 times more likely to be shot by police than whites.

How is the schizophrenia?
Or where have you been living, under a rock?

Go cry me a river you racist biggot.

Your comments in the OP prove you've been living under rock. Your views are the real cancer and evil to society, not some melt who killed someone.
 
I wish black folks all the best and I hope they finally find justice. But, I also hope that they will do that without causing obstructions for other people who just want to get on with their lives.

We all have our own problems. World doesn't have only one problem. There are other injustices like Kashmir issue, Palestine issue, Uighur issue, Rohingya issue, Ukraine issue etc. All issues should get equal attention.
 
Go cry me a river you racist biggot.

Your comments in the OP prove you've been living under rock. Your views are the real cancer and evil to society, not some melt who killed someone.

Calling me a racist biggot? A case of pot calling the kettle black

BTW, white supremacists are a bigger threat to american society than even Al-Qaeda!
 
Calling me a racist biggot? A case of pot calling the kettle black

BTW, white supremacists are a bigger threat to american society than even Al-Qaeda!

Yes i'm calling you a racist biggot because you generalised an entire race as inherently evil based on some reading. You're a clearly a newbie.

You can call me racist for not accepting and questioning the media narrative, it really doesn't bother me.
 
So, you expect changes to happen quickly? All the best with that.

Slave thing happened so many years ago. Present generation has nothing to do with slave trade.

But the slave trade was replaced by other laws to keep the blacks down. Jim Crow, then the black codes.

All this should have been sorted out which the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which gave blacks the vote.

Sadly American cities are still highly segregated by race, 52 years later. Massive structural and cultural problems remain due to the legacy of slavery, Jim Crow and so on. Cities are crime traps for young blacks.
 
If the whites are keeping the blacks backward, then let all blacks be given an independent sovereign state and see how they develop themselves.
 
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