The unending sufferings of blacks in America

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If the whites are keeping the blacks backward, then let all blacks be given an independent sovereign state and see how they develop themselves.

There's plenty already in Africa. I think this debate is more concerned with blacks living as minorities in predominantly white countries. They do not want to live as second class citizens even though their ancestors arrived in the US as that.

 

[Buffet]

So calling out racism is racist in itself? Ok buttercup

Calling all whites as inherently racist is simply racism.

 

[Buffet]

Yes i'm calling you a racist biggot because you generalised an entire race as inherently evil based on some reading. You're a clearly a newbie.

You can call me racist for not accepting and questioning the media narrative, it really doesn't bother me.

Problem is not only him, we have several posters who are supporting OP and yet criticising racism. It can't get more ironic than this.

 

[CricketCartoons]

There's plenty already in Africa. I think this debate is more concerned with blacks living as minorities in predominantly white countries. They do not want to live as second class citizens even though their ancestors arrived in the US as that.

The blacks living as minorities in white countries are still more advanced than those from black majority countries in africa. Why is that?

 

[Savak]

I find that blacks especially in America are mostly responsible for their own plight. A lot of them choose the easy way out in life and resort to crime. They are extremely rude and nasty as well. I have seen them in gyms many times and people are scared to confront them for their rude intimidating behavior. Lol i once remember a black dude was on his cell phone for 30-40 minutes and his dumbell was lying unused on his left side, naturally any innocent bystander who is watching and observing for a while will be like maybe the guy isn't using it, the guy goes and is about to pick it up and the black guy then starts abusing and threatening him, a simple situation that could have easily been resolved civilly.

My mamu worked in Canada as a security guard and he testified most trouble came from black people who would create violent, abusive situations for very minor issues. If poor immigrants, those without much education, those who start right from the bottom, scratch, driving taxi's, doing odd jobs can work hard, educate themselves, uplift their qualifications or get into business and now become successful entreprenuers, what is stopping African American's from doing the bare basic's i.e. rather than resorting to crime, putting themselves in college, getting into the corporate world.

There are successful African American's who have done this. Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, George Foreman, Michael Jordan, Christopher Gardener, Oprah Winfrey, Denzel Washington, Jamie Foxx. So don't give me the ** that the system in the US is unfair to the blacks. No its not, it is the same system for everyone, for all minorities. These blacks should look inwards, take steps to improve upon the crime statistics that their demography always dominates, quit their self victimization because there are tons of other communities and countries where people have it ten times worse.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The blacks living as minorities in white countries are still more advanced than those from black majority countries in africa. Why is that?

Because they are living in a more advanced environment I would have thought. I don't actually know that much about Africa, my assumptions are that it would be like much of the rest of the third world, poor infrastructure, lack of law and order, corruption etc.

But again, we aren't discussing Africa here, the debate is about the 'sufferings' of black Americans. Are they getting a raw deal, or is it self inflicted?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Because they are living in a more advanced environment I would have thought. I don't actually know that much about Africa, my assumptions are that it would be like much of the rest of the third world, poor infrastructure, lack of law and order, corruption etc.

But again, we aren't discussing Africa here, the debate is about the 'sufferings' of black Americans. Are they getting a raw deal, or is it self inflicted?

Of course blacks in usa will be behind because they started from negative, as slaves. They will be always playing catch up with the whites who got a head start in the race. To compensate for that, should the whites bend down on a knee and ask for forgiveness.

Every bit of the advancement of this planet has been due to whites. Other qaums only play the victim card, blame it on the whites and expect the whites to be extra kind towards them just because they themselves are failures. The whites are victimized for their own success and the failure of others.

 

[Robert]

Of course blacks in usa will be behind because they started from negative, as slaves. They will be always playing catch up with the whites who got a head start in the race. To compensate for that, should the whites bend down on a knee and ask for forgiveness.

Every bit of the advancement of this planet has been due to whites. Other qaums only play the victim card, blame it on the whites and expect the whites to be extra kind towards them just because they themselves are failures. The whites are victimized for their own success and the failure of others.

Totally untrue. See the pyramids of Egypt, which went up when whites were building mud huts or at best Stonehenge.

Chinese invented the blast furnace in 200 CE, then paper, printing, compasses, later gunpowder, rocketry and aerodynamics.

Then calculus, astronomy and optics which were all discovered by Arabs from 800-1200 CE.

More recently African-Americans invented the X-ray spectrometer, gastroscope, and peanut butter.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Of course blacks in usa will be behind because they started from negative, as slaves. They will be always playing catch up with the whites who got a head start in the race. To compensate for that, should the whites bend down on a knee and ask for forgiveness.

Every bit of the advancement of this planet has been due to whites. Other qaums only play the victim card, blame it on the whites and expect the whites to be extra kind towards them just because they themselves are failures. The whites are victimized for their own success and the failure of others.

Well it is still up to the whites what sort of America they want. They could choose to ignore the voice of blacks and continue as they are, but it is getting harder and harder to do this with blacks getting ever louder voices due to success in fields such as sports and entertainment.

I am watching tv over the last few days and these same celebrities are giving interviews that they don't just want to be running, dancing and singing stars, they want to be coaches and managers as well. If you are white, do you ignore this and say, look guys, you are good with all the easy stuff, but leave the heavy thinking to us whites?

 

[Robert]

I find that blacks especially in America are mostly responsible for their own plight. A lot of them choose the easy way out in life and resort to crime. They are extremely rude and nasty as well. I have seen them in gyms many times and people are scared to confront them for their rude intimidating behavior. Lol i once remember a black dude was on his cell phone for 30-40 minutes and his dumbell was lying unused on his left side, naturally any innocent bystander who is watching and observing for a while will be like maybe the guy isn't using it, the guy goes and is about to pick it up and the black guy then starts abusing and threatening him, a simple situation that could have easily been resolved civilly.

My mamu worked in Canada as a security guard and he testified most trouble came from black people who would create violent, abusive situations for very minor issues. If poor immigrants, those without much education, those who start right from the bottom, scratch, driving taxi's, doing odd jobs can work hard, educate themselves, uplift their qualifications or get into business and now become successful entreprenuers, what is stopping African American's from doing the bare basic's i.e. rather than resorting to crime, putting themselves in college, getting into the corporate world.

There are successful African American's who have done this. Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, George Foreman, Michael Jordan, Christopher Gardener, Oprah Winfrey, Denzel Washington, Jamie Foxx. So don't give me the ** that the system in the US is unfair to the blacks. No its not, it is the same system for everyone, for all minorities. These blacks should look inwards, take steps to improve upon the crime statistics that their demography always dominates, quit their self victimization because there are tons of other communities and countries where people have it ten times worse.

What you are ignoring is structural failures in education, poverty, inequalities in health and justice provision.
Yes your Oprahs and Foxxes do well but they started out with two strikes on them due to their colour.

 

[Bigboii]

The most triggering issue in the world is racism against whites and calling out people who disrespected the master race is of the utmost importance

 

[CricketCartoons]

Totally untrue. See the pyramids of Egypt, which went up when whites were building mud huts or at best Stonehenge.

Chinese invented the blast furnace in 200 CE, then paper, printing, compasses, later gunpowder, rocketry and aerodynamics.

Then calculus, astronomy and optics which were all discovered by Arabs from 800-1200 CE.

More recently African-Americans invented the X-ray spectrometer, gastroscope, and peanut butter.

You have to go to ancient and medieval age to find some inventions by other communities, which can be counted on the fingers. Wonder if they had such a head start, why did they fall behind.

No community can match the positive contribution by the white nations.

ps: calculus was discovered by Newton and leibniz, not arabs.

 

[sweep_shot]

The most triggering issue in the world is racism against whites and calling out people who disrespected the master race is of the utmost importance ��

Racism against any race is unacceptable. Blacks can be racists too. Here is one clip of a black man harassing an Asian man:

We should condemn all racism. No race is a master race.

 

[Savak]

What you are ignoring is structural failures in education, poverty, inequalities in health and justice provision.
Yes your Oprahs and Foxxes do well but they started out with two strikes on them due to their colour.

An immigrant who comes to the West starts off from scratch, its all about the choices they make in their lives. The discrimination or the so called discrimination that all minorities face is no less or more than the Blacks. The fact that the Oprah's and Foxes have done well is proof that anyone can do reasonably well regardless of their colour.

 

[sweep_shot]

An immigrant who comes to the West starts off from scratch, its all about the choices they make in their lives. The discrimination or the so called discrimination that all minorities face is no less or more than the Blacks. The fact that the Oprah's and Foxes have done well is proof that anyone can do reasonably well regardless of their colour.

Exactly!

Most immigrants work hard and make their lives better. There is no magic pill. You can take a horse to water but horse needs to drink the water himself.

Wholesale systemic change can't do much if there is no individual change.

 

[Robert]

You have to go to ancient and medieval age to find some inventions by other communities, which can be counted on the fingers. Wonder if they had such a head start, why did they fall behind.

No community can match the positive contribution by the white nations.

ps: calculus was discovered by Newton and leibniz, not arabs.

Modern calculus yes, but they built on the work of Ibn al-Haytham.

I have described here several times how the Caliphates fell into decline and Europe took over. Religion became more fundamentalist, more literalist while in Europe it went the other way.

No community can match the negative contribution of European and American culture either - colonialism and racism leading to exterminations and two massive world wars, and pushing the world to the brink of destruction through either nuclear war or environmental collapse.

 

[Robert]

An immigrant who comes to the West starts off from scratch, its all about the choices they make in their lives. The discrimination or the so called discrimination that all minorities face is no less or more than the Blacks. The fact that the Oprah's and Foxes have done well is proof that anyone can do reasonably well regardless of their colour.

But American blacks are not immigrants by and large, but descended from abductees, so this has no relevance.

 

[Savak]

But American blacks are not immigrants by and large, but descended from abductees, so this has no relevance.

A lot of relevance, i refuse to believe that an African American who has made the right choices in life has not done reasonably well for himself i.e. completed his high school, university and post graduate education, worked hard and eventually gotten established in their respective fields. However if the African American grows up with a victim mentality since birth i.e. i am black, hence everything is against me, the system is biased against me, i stand no chance and hence he resorts to crimes or under employment rather than working hard to get himself educated.

African American's need more people like that head basketball coach in the film Coach Carter i.e. who for once forced a change of mindset in his students and asked them to take responsibility for their choices in high and aim to have higher goals rather than take the easy way out in life.

When my elder brother was studying in the US and sharing living accomodation with students, he faced the biggest amount of problems with African Americans, they were so rude, disrespectful that they even ate his food and drinks in the fridge and none of the Arabs, American folks would dare to do or say anything to these African American's out of fear because of their so called violent, uncivilized nature. This is not to generalize against some unique exceptions but the negative perceptions against African American's are unfortunately justified and the crime statistics prove it. They are not the only one born in poverty or have to face discrimination, problems in the system, its all about the choices you make in life.

 

[Savak]

You will see many African American's in IVY league schools, people who become lawyers, accountants, business owners, doctors. I once remember my dad introducing to one of his close African American friends who was a famous nuerologist in the US and the guy was living in a pretty big mansion in NYC and had another big home in California.

What i found telling was when i later realized that he was the only one among his siblings who did well for himself, one sibling was in jail for a crime and another sibling was doing a odd job and none of the siblings kept in touch with each other or made an effort to see each other. But all three of them were born to parents who themselves were involved in petty crimes and they all did not have a very illustrious background. How did one sibling become a famous rich doctor but the other siblings resigned to a low paying minimum wage odd jobs and the third sibling in jail when they are grew up in the same environment, same problems, hold backs.

Simple, the choices and decisions you make in life. This holds true for anyone in life

 

[Bigboii]

A lot of relevance, i refuse to believe that an African American who has made the right choices in life has not done reasonably well for himself i.e. completed his high school, university and post graduate education, worked hard and eventually gotten established in their respective fields. However if the African American grows up with a victim mentality since birth i.e. i am black, hence everything is against me, the system is biased against me, i stand no chance and hence he resorts to crimes or under employment rather than working hard to get himself educated.

African American's need more people like that head basketball coach in the film Coach Carter i.e. who for once forced a change of mindset in his students and asked them to take responsibility for their choices in high and aim to have higher goals rather than take the easy way out in life.

When my elder brother was studying in the US and sharing living accomodation with students, he faced the biggest amount of problems with African Americans, they were so rude, disrespectful that they even ate his food and drinks in the fridge and none of the Arabs, American folks would dare to do or say anything to these African American's out of fear because of their so called violent, uncivilized nature. This is not to generalize against some unique exceptions but the negative perceptions against African American's are unfortunately justified and the crime statistics prove it. They are not the only one born in poverty or have to face discrimination, problems in the system, its all about the choices you make in life.

I don't think that uou have lived (as a child or a teenager) and gotten education in inner city so I don't blame you for thinking that minorities can get everything without any help

Going to college from that cammunity and doing everything right is one the most hardest thing to achieve
It's EXTREMELY difficult to do everything right career wise if you're from certain neighborhoods

 

[Savak]

I don't think that uou have lived (as a child or a teenager) and gotten education in inner city so I don't blame you for thinking that minorities can get everything without any help

Going to college from that cammunity and doing everything right is one the most hardest thing to achieve
It's EXTREMELY difficult to do everything right career wise if you're from certain neighborhoods

People have done it and still do it regardless of neighborhood. History is full of examples of people who have uplifted their lives from nothing and from horrible influences. I have no sympathy for people who complain about things not being handed to them and do not put in the work

Also there has been a massive upsurge in interracial relationships. You will find many white guys dating and marrying black girls and vice versa in the last 20-30 years versus the past. This is not the 50's and 60's anymore

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You will see many African American's in IVY league schools, people who become lawyers, accountants, business owners, doctors. I once remember my dad introducing to one of his close African American friends who was a famous nuerologist in the US and the guy was living in a pretty big mansion in NYC and had another big home in California.

What i found telling was when i later realized that he was the only one among his siblings who did well for himself, one sibling was in jail for a crime and another sibling was doing a odd job and none of the siblings kept in touch with each other or made an effort to see each other. But all three of them were born to parents who themselves were involved in petty crimes and they all did not have a very illustrious background. How did one sibling become a famous rich doctor but the other siblings resigned to a low paying minimum wage odd jobs and the third sibling in jail when they are grew up in the same environment, same problems, hold backs.

Simple, the choices and decisions you make in life. This holds true for anyone in life

If anything, that story is a stronger argument against your reasoning than for it. All of the siblings underachieved due to being brought up in an environment of crime and poverty, yet the one who succeeded big suggests that this was probably a family of some potential. Had they been born in an affluent neighbourhood with better role models as parents, they may all have been successful.

Black people in the US seem to be somewhat rootless, perhaps because of their history of slavery, they don't have the heroes or aspirations they should. As you get more and more successful black people becoming household names, that will probably change.

 

[Savak]

If anything, that story is a stronger argument against your reasoning than for it. All of the siblings underachieved due to being brought up in an environment of crime and poverty, yet the one who succeeded big suggests that this was probably a family of some potential. Had they been born in an affluent neighbourhood with better role models as parents, they may all have been successful.

Black people in the US seem to be somewhat rootless, perhaps because of their history of slavery, they don't have the heroes or aspirations they should. As you get more and more successful black people becoming household names, that will probably change.

There are role models out there, you just have to make the right choices in life and make that decision to follow them

 

[CricketCartoons]

Modern calculus yes, but they built on the work of Ibn al-Haytham.

I have described here several times how the Caliphates fell into decline and Europe took over. Religion became more fundamentalist, more literalist while in Europe it went the other way.

No community can match the negative contribution of European and American culture either - colonialism and racism leading to exterminations and two massive world wars, and pushing the world to the brink of destruction through either nuclear war or environmental collapse.

If you are referring to summation of series, then indian mathematicians had done it before arabs. In fact , arabs used the knowledge from indians and added minor contributions. Just like the indians harp about giving the concept of zero, the arabs and their fans glorify their bits and pieces contribution and claim the substantial contributions of the whites.

colonialism was economic exploitation, no different from their native rulers, but it brought civilization to the backward communities. racism is not a contribution of the white nations. xenophobia and tribalism existed since humans were hunters gatherers.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There are role models out there, you just have to make the right choices in life and make that decision to follow them

If you'd been born in a black neighbourhood with that upbringing, do you think you'd have a similar mindset to what you do now?

 

[Buffet]

People have done it and still do it regardless of neighborhood. History is full of examples of people who have uplifted their lives from nothing and from horrible influences.

Yes, you can uplift yourself despite headwinds, but headwind is present. You can't deny that headwind is not present.

Exposure makes a huge difference in how you see world around you. Examples of sucessful African American doesn't mean that all African American or for that matter all Hispanics are going to put education as priority number one. Kids views are mostly shaped by what he/she sees while growing up.

Racism is not the biggest obstacle here. If a country can elect a black person as head of country then anyone can do anything, but Obama had different enviornment while growing up.

Racism does exist and it's not going to dissapear immediately, but that's the not main reason for African Americans not doing well right now. Historically , yes it was the main reason and we are seeing the impact of history, but current situation is whole lot diffetent than 70s/80s.


There is good chance that your thinking would have been a whole lot different if you grew up in different circumtances.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

If you'd been born in a black neighbourhood with that upbringing, do you think you'd have a similar mindset to what you do now?

Some people will succeed whatever neighbour unfortunately the rest of us are like blind sheep who follow the herd which is probably the main reason black culture and sociology continues to dominate as any criticism of black youth can be levelled at underperforming youth of other backgrounds

 

[Sirris]

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[Bigboii]

People have done it and still do it regardless of neighborhood. History is full of examples of people who have uplifted their lives from nothing and from horrible influences. I have no sympathy for people who complain about things not being handed to them and do not put in the work

Also there has been a massive upsurge in interracial relationships. You will find many white guys dating and marrying black girls and vice versa in the last 20-30 years versus the past. This is not the 50's and 60's anymore

Yes people have done it some people from slavery have done great things does that mean a slave and free person has the same opportunities in life to achieve those goals I don't think so so this rule that some have done something so that means everyone is getting equal opportunities

So I'll give personal example when I was in inner city school (minority dominant) my teachers almost never cared about us, passing if we come to class and do child like assignments, people not coming to class for 3 months straight, if someone does show up class was 15-20 min of utter confusion and distraction and a lil bit of lesson, some kid watching porn or some drinking while another is high as a kite, couple of textbooks for a huge class, no counselor contact or support, and every year a teacher or two impregnating a girl and some clearly high to show up to class how the hell will they teach
Result most of the kids didn't care about school cause no one cares about them why would they care about school
How do you expect these kids to compete in a career or college they can't cause they were not prepared for it

Know fortunately I moved high schools and went to a suburban school (off course white dominant) and it was exact opposite and I started caring about school worked hard and somehow went to a good state college and have real good grades and in high school in the city I was bearly passing

So I wasn't stupid the reason was the school so how do you expect people coming out of that system to actually achieve the things you mentioned
They're outmatched in the real world cause gov never cared about minorities and the funding was pathetic so in plain simple English they weren't setup for success
So saying well why are they not doing what I or people I know were are doing is simply ignorance of the situation

 

[Bigboii]

A lot of relevance, i refuse to believe that an African American who has made the right choices in life has not done reasonably well for himself i.e. completed his high school, university and post graduate education, worked hard and eventually gotten established in their respective fields. However if the African American grows up with a victim mentality since birth i.e. i am black, hence everything is against me, the system is biased against me, i stand no chance and hence he resorts to crimes or under employment rather than working hard to get himself educated.

African American's need more people like that head basketball coach in the film Coach Carter i.e. who for once forced a change of mindset in his students and asked them to take responsibility for their choices in high and aim to have higher goals rather than take the easy way out in life.

When my elder brother was studying in the US and sharing living accomodation with students, he faced the biggest amount of problems with African Americans, they were so rude, disrespectful that they even ate his food and drinks in the fridge and none of the Arabs, American folks would dare to do or say anything to these African American's out of fear because of their so called violent, uncivilized nature. This is not to generalize against some unique exceptions but the negative perceptions against African American's are unfortunately justified and the crime statistics prove it. They are not the only one born in poverty or have to face discrimination, problems in the system, its all about the choices you make in life.

Btw almost all my friends are AAs good, fun people tbh never "stole" anything, never involved in violent activity,(watching to much fox aren't we? )

 

[Robert]

An immigrant who comes to the West starts off from scratch, its all about the choices they make in their lives. The discrimination or the so called discrimination that all minorities face is no less or more than the Blacks. The fact that the Oprah's and Foxes have done well is proof that anyone can do reasonably well regardless of their colour.

You would have a point if blacks were actually immigrants, and actual immigrants had not faced centuries of slavery, Jim Crow, lynchings and structural discrimination in education.

 

[Technics 1210]

I'm quite amazed how history is being rewritten here for the sake of liberalism.

First ask the left to provide evidence that the killing of Lloyd was racially motivated. Evidence that will stand up in court, then think about revisionism.

 

[Robert]

If you are referring to summation of series, then indian mathematicians had done it before arabs. In fact , arabs used the knowledge from indians and added minor contributions. Just like the indians harp about giving the concept of zero, the arabs and their fans glorify their bits and pieces contribution and claim the substantial contributions of the whites.

colonialism was economic exploitation, no different from their native rulers, but it brought civilization to the backward communities. racism is not a contribution of the white nations. xenophobia and tribalism existed since humans were hunters gatherers.

So, one more example of people who are not white contributing to human development.

 

[CricketCartoons]

So, one more example of people who are not white contributing to human development.

insignificant before the contribution of white nations.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If you are referring to summation of series, then indian mathematicians had done it before arabs. In fact , arabs used the knowledge from indians and added minor contributions. Just like the indians harp about giving the concept of zero, the arabs and their fans glorify their bits and pieces contribution and claim the substantial contributions of the whites.

colonialism was economic exploitation, no different from their native rulers, but it brought civilization to the backward communities. racism is not a contribution of the white nations. xenophobia and tribalism existed since humans were hunters gatherers.

What India is or was is of little concern to current first world nations. We live in successful multicultural nations, if black rights are upheld and brought into line with whites, it is for the betterment of our own nations and that is why you will see many whites supporting the BLM movement. This is what separates us from monocultural nations like yours ultimately.

 

[CricketCartoons]

What India is or was is of little concern to current first world nations. We live in successful multicultural nations, if black rights are upheld and brought into line with whites, it is for the betterment of our own nations and that is why you will see many whites supporting the BLM movement. This is what separates us from monocultural nations like yours ultimately.

You forgot to wear your glasses perhaps as there was nothing to suggest that india matters. The point is all other nations and qaums have made insignificant contribution to mankind compared to the white nations, but the lefitists and anarchists have successfully brainwashed a section of the white people to always be apologetic about their own success, show white guilt, and worship mediocrity in the name of diversity.

The white nations made giant strides without any diversity and the evil of multi kulti. I hope this fake movement wakes them up. They are the only ones with a civilization.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You forgot to wear your glasses perhaps as there was nothing to suggest that india matters. The point is all other nations and qaums have made insignificant contribution to mankind compared to the white nations, but the lefitists and anarchists have successfully brainwashed a section of the white people to always be apologetic about their own success, show white guilt, and worship mediocrity in the name of diversity.

The white nations made giant strides without any diversity and the evil of multi kulti. I hope this fake movement wakes them up. They are the only ones with a civilization.

I don't think whites need to apologise for anything, for them it is merely about deciding what kind of country do they want. As I explained to Technics, while priding yourself of being tolerant of ethnic minorities might seem like a big favour when you are talking about grateful immigrants, the following generations who are born here don't have this attitude, and merely see themselves as Brits of a different skin tone. They don't want to be 'tolerated' they expect and demand the same as all their white brethren in Britain.

The leftys and the liberals have their issues, but who will fight the corner for white power? Your old pal Tommy Sir is not a credible leader, the British public won't trust him to lead anywhere but ruin.

The white nations did indeed make great strides in history by colonisation, but those days are over. There are no successful white nations today unless they embrace multiculturalism. If you can think of one let me know and I will reassess for sure.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The white nations did indeed make great strides in history by colonisation, but those days are over. There are no successful white nations today unless they embrace multiculturalism. If you can think of one let me know and I will reassess for sure.

They colonized because they were the advanced civilization in the first place. No diversity and no crap multi kulti then. Diversity at best can be a seasoning, the main ingredient always has to be the white people. Otherwise the countries where the diversity immigrants come from would be leading the world.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

They colonized because they were the advanced civilization in the first place. No diversity and no crap multi kulti then. Diversity at best can be a seasoning, the main ingredient always has to be the white people. Otherwise the countries where the diversity immigrants come from would be leading the world.

I have no problem with Britain or other white countries colonising, that is how I ended up being British myself. But what worked then doesn't work now. If it did I would be happy for it to happen again, in fact would relish the opportunity to civilise your kind a bit more.

If the main ingredient for being successful was white people, then by that logic those countries in Eastern Europe should be the most successful of all. You are talking about history my friend, those stuck in the past have festered and failed. You may be bemused at how the new white world is unfolding, but will be very difficult to turn back time and remain at the top of the pile.

 

[Bigboii]

insignificant before the contribution of white nations.

Like the world never moved in terms of technology before whites

 

[Bigboii]

For people "enjoying" British colonization they took advantage of SC so much that their GDP which was always second or first in the world throughout history came WAY down to the extreme poverty we are seeing in India (it's still not at it's natural position) even to this day

Didn't wanna go too deep so sorry I had to use wiki


"Economy of India under Mughal Empire, Maratha Empire and among others was prosperous into the early 18th century.[57] Parthasarathi estimated that 28,000 tonnes of bullion (mainly from the New World) flowed into the Indian subcontinent between 1600 and 1800, equating to 20% of the world's production in the period.[58]

An estimate of the annual income of Emperor Akbar the Great's treasury, in 1600, is £17.5 million (in contrast to the tax take of Great Britain two hundred years later, in 1800, totaled £16 million). The South Asia region, in 1600, was estimated to be the second largest in the world, behind China's.[59]

Historian Shireen Moosvi estimates that Mughal India had a per-capita income 1.24% higher in the late 16th century than British India had in the early 20th century, although the difference would be less if increasing purchasing power in terms of manufactured goods were taken into account. She also estimates that the secondary sector contributed a higher percentage to the Mughal economy (18.2%) than it did to the economy of early 20th-century British India (11.2%).[60]

By the late 17th century, the Mughal Empire was at its peak and had expanded to include almost 90 percent of the Indian subcontinent. It enforced a uniform customs and tax-administration system. In 1700, the exchequer of the Emperor Aurangzeb reported an annual revenue of more than £100 million, or $450 million, more than ten times that of his contemporary Louis XIV of France,[61] while controlling just 7 times the population.

By 1700, Mughal India had become the world's largest economy, ahead of Qing China and Western Europe, containing approximately 24.2% of the World's population, and producing about a quarter of world output.[62] Mughal India produced about 25% of global industrial output into the early 18th century.[7] India's GDP growth increased under the Mughal Empire, exceeding growth in the prior 1,500 years.[63] The Mughals were responsible for building an extensive road system,[57] creating a uniform currency, and the unification of the country.[64] The Mughals adopted and standardized the rupee currency introduced by Sur Emperor Sher Shah Suri.[65] The Mughals minted tens of millions of coins, with purity of at least 96%, without debasement until the 1720s.[66] The empire met global demand for Indian agricultural and industrial products.[67]

Cities and towns boomed under the Mughal Empire, which had a relatively high degree of urbanization (15% of its population lived in urban centres), more urban than Europe at the time and British India in the 19th century.[68] Multiple cities had a population between a quarter-million and half-million people,[68] while some including Agra (in Agra Subah) hosted up to 800,000 people[69] and Dhaka (in Bengal Subah) with over 1 million.[70] 64% of the workforce were in the primary sector (including agriculture), while 36% were in the secondary and tertiary sectors.[71] The workforce had a higher percentage in non-primary sectors than Europe at the time; in 1700, 65–90% of Europe's workforce were in agriculture, and in 1750, 65–75% were in agriculture"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_India

So SC wasn't a complete dud they earned a lot of money even with not that crazy amount of pop % we see right now and campared to the rest of the world even at that time
and a lot of this money was coming from industry (just like UK and US made thier money) and SC was going through massive urbanization just like the know devaloped world went through in 1800s so no one "saved" they mostly took advantage of the land

 

[CricketCartoons]

I have no problem with Britain or other white countries colonising, that is how I ended up being British myself. But what worked then doesn't work now. If it did I would be happy for it to happen again, in fact would relish the opportunity to civilise your kind a bit more.

If the main ingredient for being successful was white people, then by that logic those countries in Eastern Europe should be the most successful of all. You are talking about history my friend, those stuck in the past have festered and failed. You may be bemused at how the new white world is unfolding, but will be very difficult to turn back time and remain at the top of the pile.

The eastern europe is relatively poor because communism happened, even the white people are not immune from that cancer which is trying to make inroads in the western world now.

by your logic, they are poor because they don't have enough diversity.

 

[CricketCartoons]

For people "enjoying" British colonization they took advantage of SC so much that their GDP which was always second or first in the world throughout history came WAY down to the extreme poverty we are seeing in India (it's still not at it's natural position) even to this day

childish logic to compare the GDP of SC before and after colonization. Missing the key factor, which was the industrial revolution caused by the invention of the steam engine, due to which britain left everyone behind.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The eastern europe is relatively poor because communism happened, even the white people are not immune from that cancer which is trying to make inroads in the western world now.

by your logic, they are poor because they don't have enough diversity.

Communism was also an invention of a white person so of course white people are not going to be immune to their own theories. Eastern Europe would certainly benefit from some diversity, I am sure with Indians stellar reputation for integration, they Poles and Russians would welcome your enterprising countrymen with open arms and molatov cocktails.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Molatov cocktails is a type of Russian alcoholic beverage right?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Communism was also an invention of a white person so of course white people are not going to be immune to their own theories. Eastern Europe would certainly benefit from some diversity, I am sure with Indians stellar reputation for integration, they Poles and Russians would welcome your enterprising countrymen with open arms and molatov cocktails.

Communism was the gift of a jew.

Let's wait and watch. Within a decade it will be a new world order.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Communism was the gift of a jew.

Let's wait and watch. Within a decade it will be a new world order.

Well I can wait that long, but who will be leading this new world order, and what will distinguish them from the current one which is led by multicultural metropolises?

 

[Bigboii]

childish logic to compare the GDP of SC before and after colonization. Missing the key factor, which was the industrial revolution caused by the invention of the steam engine, due to which britain left everyone behind.

Don't think you read the thing

Point was SC already had more
urban pop than compared to almost all of European countries
Was producing lots of industrial output from thier factories
Literacy rate was higher than any European country
Steam engine was in UK in at around early 1700s and it was a state secret of sort
It came to US in commercial use during 1750s (second country to go through industrial revolution) and during these times Russia and a lot of European countries including some in western European countries didn't know a lot about steam engine and were still far away from going through a proper industrial revolution

But when the second country (US) was just beginning it's industrial revolution SC was already colonized by the Brits so we cannot judge how SC would have performed in terms of industrial revolution because they never even had a chance to go through the revolution but if go by all the metrics needed to become a industrial powerhouse SC had all of it and even more than Europe but the Brit invasion halted the growth of the region and robbed it riches so they were overall VERY BAD for the SC

So only childish thing I see is glorifying people who don't deserve that glory and undermining the strength and enguinuity of our people

 

[CricketCartoons]

Don't think you read the thing

Point was SC already had more
urban pop than compared to almost all of European countries
Was producing lots of industrial output from thier factories
Literacy rate was higher than any European country
Steam engine was in UK in at around early 1700s and it was a state secret of sort
It came to US in commercial use during 1750s (second country to go through industrial revolution) and during these times Russia and a lot of European countries including some in western European countries didn't know a lot about steam engine and were still far away from going through a proper industrial revolution

But when the second country (US) was just beginning it's industrial revolution SC was already colonized by the Brits so we cannot judge how SC would have performed in terms of industrial revolution because they never even had a chance to go through the revolution but if go by all the metrics needed to become a industrial powerhouse SC had all of it and even more than Europe but the Brit invasion halted the growth of the region and robbed it riches so they were overall VERY BAD for the SC

So only childish thing I see is glorifying people who don't deserve that glory and undermining the strength and enguinuity of our people

So you concede that you don't know how the SC would have fared without colonization. Good.

Name me the universities in SC during 1700s and the factories which were producing goods.

 

[sweep_shot]

Molatov cocktails is a type of Russian alcoholic beverage right?

It is actually a minor bomb.

Check: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail.

 

[ManFan]

The entire plight of African-Americans, as identified by Malcolm X, 50-60 years ago, is their economic dependence on “white establishments”.

But of course, they had their own Wall Street; the Greenwood District, in Oklahoma. And what happened to it?

It was burned down in 1921 by angry white people without any provocation whatsoever!

Lest you forget Emmitt Till, a 14-year-old boy lynched for whistling at a white woman.

 

[sweep_shot]

A part of me sympathizes with black cause because both black folks and brown folks have suffered due to various empires (British empire, Spanish empire, French empire etc.).

But, the anger needs to be channeled in right manner. It needs to be methodical and effective.

 

[Shazzam]

The entire plight of African-Americans, as identified by Malcolm X, 50-60 years ago, is their economic dependence on “white establishments”.

But of course, they had their own Wall Street; the Greenwood District, in Oklahoma. And what happened to it?

It was burned down in 1921 by angry white people without any provocation whatsoever!

Lest you forget Emmitt Till, a 14-year-old boy lynched for whistling at a white woman.

Just read about Emmitt Till. That was upsetting to read. Things were far worse back than.

 

[ManFan]

Just read about Emmitt Till. That was upsetting to read. Things were far worse back than.

If there is one bright side to his death, it’s that it was the genesis of the civil rights movement.

But still...

 

[junoon]

The entire plight of African-Americans, as identified by Malcolm X, 50-60 years ago, is their economic dependence on “white establishments”.

But of course, they had their own Wall Street; the Greenwood District, in Oklahoma. And what happened to it?

It was burned down in 1921 by angry white people without any provocation whatsoever!

Lest you forget Emmitt Till, a 14-year-old boy lynched for whistling at a white woman.

She is still alive and living in Mississippi

 

[junoon]

Just read about Emmitt Till. That was upsetting to read. Things were far worse back than.

The lynching of Jesse Washington in Waco (Texas) 1916 was very gruesome

 

[Kroll]

Just read about Emmitt Till. That was upsetting to read. Things were far worse back than.

Some of the lynchings of black people especially in the late 19th century and early 20th century were pretty grisly. They used to get doused in petroleum then lifted up and down by rope into a burning fire with the charcoal remains left for viewing.

See Jesse Washington amongst others.

 

[junoon]

Some of the lynchings of black people especially in the late 19th century and early 20th century were pretty grisly. They used to get doused in petroleum then lifted up and down by rope into a burning fire with the charcoal remains left for viewing.

See Jesse Washington amongst others.

If anyone thinks ISIS or Al-Qaeda is evil, then just read about lynchings of blacks in America.

I have no sympathy for ISIS but suicide bombings are acts of a few individuals. Lynchings were witnessed by thousands of whites including women and children. They got sadistic pleasure out of lynching blacks.

 

[Shazzam]

If there is one bright side to his death, it’s that it was the genesis of the civil rights movement.

But still...

Thank god Civil Rights movement happen. I cannot imagine a time before that one.

Some of the lynchings of black people especially in the late 19th century and early 20th century were pretty grisly. They used to get doused in petroleum then lifted up and down by rope into a burning fire with the charcoal remains left for viewing.

See Jesse Washington amongst others.

The lynching of Jesse Washington in Waco (Texas) 1916 was very gruesome

I just watched the Jesse Washington one. My god was it inhumane on so many levels. Its like hearing a witchcraft story. If one looks at black history in America they can understand why this George Floyd incident hurts. We need to be above and beyond that time.

 

[Robert]

Molatov cocktails is a type of Russian alcoholic beverage right?

Petrol bomb in a bottle.

 

[Robert]

They colonized because they were the advanced civilization in the first place. No diversity and no crap multi kulti then. Diversity at best can be a seasoning, the main ingredient always has to be the white people. Otherwise the countries where the diversity immigrants come from would be leading the world.

The Caliphates were the most advanced civilisation in the world between 800-1200 CE, where led by Arabs and multicultural.

European nations overran the world from 1500 onwards as they were the first to industrialise and had herd immunity to certain diseases such as smallpox which devastated other civilisations. Spirituality became secondary to science, as the Newtonian-Descartesian model of the world as a machine flourished, and nature became something to be exploited rather than worked with.

 

[Bigboii]

So you concede that you don't know how the SC would have fared without colonization. Good.

Name me the universities in SC during 1700s and the factories which were producing goods.

If colonization didn't happen SC had every ingredient to be an industrial nation if that's what I am "conceding" and without colonization SC would still have progressed in terms of industrialization than yes

Know till late 1600s and early 1700s most of textile (in england) factories were in the house with a machine at most and the biggest weren't even that big but in subcontinent lots of textile was being made all over the world
Know how do you possibly expect me to name factories from 1700s in SC of all places with no access to records like we have in the west it's absurd

But we can go look at how "not" raw materials but proper fashion ware piece of cloths were being "imported" to UK, turkey and tons of other places so they were making industrial products and even more than some countries because they were importing it

And contrary to what people think UK actually DEINDUSTRIALIZED SC so thier factories can get into SC markets

"The role and scale of British imperial policy on India's relative decline in global GDP remains a topic of debate among economists, historians and politicians. With many commentators arguing the effect of British rule was highly negative. That Britain engaged in a policy of de-industrialisation of India for the benefit of British exports, leaving Indians poorer than before British rule began."
Wikipedia

This could be caused by subsidizing brit products while taxing SC products so they can't invest in new equipments which results in low production and forcing them out of business

If it was an SC empire at the very least they wouldn't
have subsidized european goods which would make businesses competitive leading to these enterprises investing in newer technology (just like US, Europe,Russia ( US stole from Britain) did especially russians because they were pathetic in terms of industrialization didn't start anything useful till mostly early 1800s late 1700s by the time SC was thoughroly a colony)

Harvard till late early 1700s was a religious institution for teaching clergymen (basically a ashram, Madrasa) and a lot of europe was also like that with
So can we call the religious institutions universities because at the time of these invasions most of the world's universities were religious schools

If yes than there were tons in SC from muslim to hindu

 

[MenInG]

Louisville, Kentucky, is under a state of emergency as prosecutors are expected to announce if police officers who killed a black woman in her home during a drug raid will be charged.

Mayor Greg Fischer said he had declared the measure "due to the potential for civil unrest".

Breonna Taylor, 26, a hospital emergency room technician, was shot multiple times on 13 March.

Her name has become a rallying cry for anti-police brutality protesters.

Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron is expected to announce any day whether his office will bring charges.

 

[MenInG]

Two officers have been shot as thousands of people protest in the US city of Louisville after a grand jury decided no-one would be charged with the death of Breonna Taylor.

Ms Taylor, 26, a hospital worker, was shot multiple times as officers stormed her home on 13 March.

Brett Hankison has been charged, not with Ms Taylor's death, but with "wanton endangerment" for firing into a neighbour's apartment in Louisville.

Two other officers face no charges.

Louisville Police Chief Robert Schroeder said the officers conditions are not life-threatening.

 

[MenInG]

A lawyer for Breonna Taylor's family has called the grand jury proceedings a "sham" that has shown racial inequalities in the US justice system.

Ms Taylor, a black hospital worker, was shot six times and killed aged 26 when police raided her home on 13 March.

On Wednesday, a grand jury in Kentucky returned a minor felony charge against one of three officers, for shots that hit a neighbouring apartment.

Two officers have been shot amid protests sparked by the decision.

The individual indicted in the Taylor case is Brett Hankison, who was fired from the force in June. He faces three counts of "wanton endangerment in the first degree".

Under Kentucky law, wanton endangerment applies to an act of "extreme indifference to the value of human life". It is the lowest-level felony and carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison per count.

Ms Taylor's family had called for the arrest of all three officers, but the grand jury - a panel drawn from members of the public to determine whether there is enough evidence to pursue a prosecution - has declined to do so.

Attorney Ben Crump said in a tweet that the indictment was "insulting & offensive to Breonna Taylor's life, legacy, & family".

 

[MenInG]

Progress on racism in the United States is not going to happen immediately, says American four-time Olympic champion Michael Johnson.

Protests have been widespread in the US in recent months following a number of high-profile deaths of black Americans at the hands of police, including George Floyd and Breonna Taylor.

Johnson says the Black Lives Matter movement has made people "wake up".

But he believes the progress made in 2020 "is only the start".

"We are seeing progress," the 53-year-old former sprinter told BBC Radio 5 Live. "But that progress, and we have to be very careful with the word progress, this is progress in what will be a generational fight.

"This is not going to change - it's been hundreds of years of systemic and institutionalised racism, and what we've seen over the last four or five months is only a start.

"The Black Lives Matter movement is highlighting the racism and it is taking the first step. It has done a phenomenal job of getting people, even myself, to sort of wake up and see that what we thought, the progress that we have made has been phenomenal, but it is far from over.

"There is still a tremendous amount of work to do because there is a tremendous amount of racism that we didn't even know exists that is affecting black people every single day that must be rectified and that is going to take a very, very long time.

"We have to be conscious of that and we cannot get frustrated. And we cannot expect like everything else that we have or we experience these days, with the advancement of technology and all of the innovation, where everything that we want we get immediately. This is not going to happen that way."

 

[Saj]

The fatal shooting of a black man by a police officer in the US city of Brooklyn Center was an accident, the local police chief has said.

Daunte Wright, 20, was shot after the officer meant to use a Taser, but mistakenly drew her gun instead, Chief Tim Gannon told reporters.

Mr Wright's death has sparked angry protests and an overnight curfew.

Tensions in nearby Minneapolis are high as the trial of an ex-officer accused of killing George Floyd continues.

In a courtroom just 10 miles (16km) from the latest unrest in the state of Minnesota, proceedings resumed on Monday, with Derek Chauvin's lawyers set to begin his defence.

Daunte Wright was pulled over on Sunday for a traffic violation, but there was a struggle when he tried to get back into the car.

At a news conference on Monday morning, Chief Gannon played a short video from the body camera worn by the policewoman, which shows Mr Wright trying to get back into his car as officers attempt to handcuff him on the side of the road.

An officer can then be heard saying "Taser, Taser, Taser," - normal police procedure before firing one of the stun guns. Mr Wright is seen to get into his car and drive away, while the same officer says "I just shot him".

Fatally wounded, Mr Wright crashed a few blocks away.

"It is my belief the officer meant to deploy their Taser but shot him with a single bullet," Chief Gannon said, adding "there's nothing I can say to lessen the pain".

The officer has been placed on administrative leave.

At the same news conference, Brooklyn Center Mayor Mike Elliott said he would do everything in his power to "ensure justice is done for Daunte Wright".

"Our hearts are aching right now, we are in pain right now. We recognise this couldn't have happened at a worse time. This is happening at a time that all of our community, all of America, indeed all of the world is watching," he said.

Angry protests erupted in Brooklyn Center on Sunday night as news of Mr Wright's death spread.

Hundreds of protesters chanting his name gathered late outside the police headquarters.

Tensions rose as police donned riot gear, and two police vehicles were pelted with stones and jumped on, Reuters news agency reported.

Protesters wrote with chalk on pavements and lit candles, but police later ordered the protesters to disperse, with footage showing tear gas and stun grenades being fired by officers.

About 20 businesses in a nearby shopping centre were later broken into, the StarTribune reported, with sporadic looting spreading to parts of Minneapolis.

An overnight curfew was enforced in Brooklyn Center.

Members of the Minnesota National Guard, already deployed for the trial on murder charges of Derek Chauvin, were sent to Brooklyn Center.

Some remained on the streets after the curfew ended, but by that time the crowds had mainly dispersed.

Brooklyn Center has closed all school buildings, programmes and activities for Monday, local media report.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56724798

 

[Technics 1210]

What happened to the black suspect who killed a police officer outside the White House a week ago or so? Is the media not reporting on this story?

 

[guna]

Blacks are their own worst enemy. Their plight starts from lack of family system and role models. Blaming white people or racist societies will never solve their problem.

Taking responsibility about their own behavior and stop having kids out of wedlock should be high on their priority list.

 

[guna]

What happened to the black suspect who killed a police officer outside the White House a week ago or so? Is the media not reporting on this story?

It goes against the left wing media narrative. Stories only get traction if the victim is a black man and the perpetrator is a white man.

Left media outlets do a fantastic job to keep black people down by showing them that they are victims of some elaborate conspiracy.

 

[Napa]

What happened to the black suspect who killed a police officer outside the White House a week ago or so? Is the media not reporting on this story?

It goes against the left wing media narrative. Stories only get traction if the victim is a black man and the perpetrator is a white man.

Left media outlets do a fantastic job to keep black people down by showing them that they are victims of some elaborate conspiracy.

They are also not reporting this one. No matches on Google News for "Woldesenbet" less than 4 days old.

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/n...cle_d1d96bce-b0db-57e5-9d2d-8d26ffe3f557.html

 

[PakLFC]

Black people in America gotta get an education. This victim mentality or historic burden they carry will not get them anywhere. Yes they have suffered but most of them are poorly educated hooked on drugs and involved in crime then they cry "racism" when not given respectable jobs. Seems as if the only way to please black people is to give them job's way out of there reach! Not every white person in America is a racist like they believe.

 

[MenInG]

Eminem took the knee as he jointly headlined the Super Bowl on Sunday with Dr Dre, Snoop Dogg, Mary J Blige, 50 Cent and Kendrick Lamar. It was a show of wall-to-wall hits, but did too many hooks spoil the broth?

We've all been to one of those house parties where nobody can agree on the music.

You might hear the first verse of a song, maybe even a chorus if you're lucky, but it's never long before someone is fiddling with the playlist and impatiently changing the track.

Super Bowl half-time shows often feel a bit like this, albeit on a much larger scale, as performers traditionally try to cram as many of their hits as possible into a tight 14-minute set.

That problem was set to be even more pronounced this year. With five joint headliners, the question hanging over 2022's hip-hop half-time show was how to do justice to the stars' sizeable back catalogues.

But in the event, Dr Dre, Eminem, Snoop Dogg, Mary J Blige and Kendrick Lamar struck the perfect balance between packing in as many monster hits as they could, while also giving each one - and each other - time to breathe.