The US-China standoff after Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan

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Taiwan Readies Its Air-Raid Shelters Amid Tensions With China
China considers Taiwan its territory and has increased military activity in the air and seas around it.

Taipei: Taiwan is preparing its air-raid shelters as rising tension with China and Russia's invasion of Ukraine raise new fears about the possibility of a Chinese attack on the democratic island.
China considers Taiwan its territory and has increased military activity in the air and seas around it. Taiwan vows to defend itself and has made strengthening its defences a priority, with regular military and civil defence drills.

The preparations include designating shelters where people can take cover if Chinese missiles start flying in, not in purpose-built bunkers but in underground spaces like basement car parks, the subway system and subterranean shopping centres.

The capital of Taipei has more than 4,600 such shelters that can accommodate some 12 million people, more than four times its population.

Harmony Wu, 18, was surprised to learn that an underground shopping concourse where she and other youngsters were recently rehearsing some dance moves would be turned into an air-raid shelter in the event of war.

But she said she could understand why.

"Having shelter is very necessary. We don't know when a war might come and they are to keep us safe," Wu said at the venue near a Taipei subway station.

"War is brutal. We've never experienced it so we aren't prepared," she said.

Taipei officials have been updating their database of designated shelters, putting their whereabouts on a smartphone app and launching a social media and poster campaign to make sure people know how to find their closest one.

Shelter entrances are marked with a yellow label, about the size of an A4 piece of paper, with the maximum number of people it can take.

A senior official in the city office in charge of the shelters said events in Europe had brought a renewed sense of urgency.

"Look at the war in Ukraine," Abercrombie Yang, a director of the Building Administration Office, told Reuters.

"There's no guarantee that the innocent public won't get hit," he said, adding that that was why the public had to be informed.

"All citizens should have crisis awareness ... We need the shelters in the event of an attack by the Chinese communists."

'Not Stressed'

Last month, Taiwan held a comprehensive air-raid exercise across the island for the first time since the coronavirus pandemic disrupted regular drills.

Among the instructions citizens got in case of incoming missiles was to get down in their basement parking lots with their hands covering their eyes and ears while keeping their mouths open - to minimise the impact of blast waves.

Some civil defence advocates say more needs to be done.

Authorities are required by law to keep the shelters clean and open but they don't have to be stocked with supplies like food and water.

Researchers in parliament called in June for shelters to be provided with emergency supplies.

Wu Enoch of the ruling Democratic Progressive Party says the public must prepare survival kits to take with them when they seek shelter.

"What's important is what you bring with you, for people to stay there for a long period of time," Wu said, citing medical supplies and even tools to build a makeshift toilet.

After decade of sabre-rattling across the Taiwan Strait separating the democratic island from China, many Taiwan people appear resigned to living with the threat of a Chinese invasion.

"I'm not stressed. I carry on with my life as usual. When it happens, it happens," said Teresa Chang, 17, who was also going through her paces at the underground dance practice.

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Is this all necessary?

Why is the US upping the stakes?
 
Is this all necessary?

Why is the US upping the stakes?

The Democrats need something.... anything to turnaround the Midterm fortunes! I don't think Biden even had a say in the matter. Wont be surprised if this puts ideas in PM Truss's head as well.
 
Today, the US state department said the US does not support Taiwan independence. Then why did Biden say a few months ago that they have a commitment to defend Taiwan if China attacks ?

All kinds of contradictory messages coming from the Biden administration.
 
If war breaks out China will do better than Russia they are a much coordinated force land air navy and have a massive industrial base that is efficient.
Their soldiers are very suicidal so won't suffer the low morale the russian white slavs who have to rely on chechens siberians Mongols and mercenaries to do the heavy fighting in ukraine.
 
If war breaks out China will do better than Russia they are a much coordinated force land air navy and have a massive industrial base that is efficient.
Their soldiers are very suicidal so won't suffer the low morale the russian white slavs who have to rely on chechens siberians Mongols and mercenaries to do the heavy fighting in ukraine.

It's theatrics mostly. They stand to lose heavily in such a conflict and especially when both their markets and economy are fragile. Xi Jinping is close to an extension, he needs to show power not deploy it. The biggest challenge China will face is that it has zero allies that will have its back, just like China on Ukraine, Russia will talk the talk that's it. US has allies it can call upon.

Plus china has zero conflict experience unlike the Russians, this is a drawback when launching an amphibious assault on a country that is determined to defend itself. The Democrats want this war, China is smart enough not to give it to them.
 
Is this all necessary?

Why is the US upping the stakes?

This is Nancy Pelosi doing what she thinks is right, against the express wishes of the Biden Administration. Anthony Blinken, the Secretary of State (= UK Foreign Secretary) is absolutely furious with her.

There is a backstory here.

Until three decades ago Taiwan was a right-wing dictatorship itself, which is why Kissinger's transfer of recognition from Taiwan to China didn't cause major issues.

But two things have changed since then.

Firstly, Taiwan has become an advanced western democracy, while China remains a Communist one-party state. Nobody in the USA is willing to say this in public, but most people in the west agree with a One China Policy....but think that the Chinese Communist Party is ineligible to be its government.

Secondly, most of us in the West hoped that the One Country Two Systems model that China signed up for in 1984 for Hong Kong from 1997 to 2047 would allow for the peaceful reincorporation of Taiwan into China.

But under One Country Two Systems, China is explicitly banned until 2047 from exercising any powers whatsoever in Hong Kong apart from:

1. Diplomatic relations with overseas countries, and
2. Military defence against foreign invasion.

The problem is that China, under the Sino-British Agreement of 1984 which it signed and lodged with the United Nations, is not permitted any role in the internal security of Hong Kong, or the legal system of Hong Kong, or policing in Hong Kong, or extradition from Hong Kong, or education in Hong Kong, but has interfered with all of the above.

So the issue of Taiwan is now a real, live issue. I suspect that everybody wanted Hong Kong 1997-2047 to go as agreed, and that the failure of One Country Two Systems is regretted by everybody - even China, even if they can't see that their onw actions are what made it fail, and what has stopped Taiwan from choosing to rejoin China.
 
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It's theatrics mostly. They stand to lose heavily in such a conflict and especially when both their markets and economy are fragile. Xi Jinping is close to an extension, he needs to show power not deploy it. The biggest challenge China will face is that it has zero allies that will have its back, just like China on Ukraine, Russia will talk the talk that's it. US has allies it can call upon.

Plus china has zero conflict experience unlike the Russians, this is a drawback when launching an amphibious assault on a country that is determined to defend itself. The Democrats want this war, China is smart enough not to give it to them.

It's a bit more than that.

If China had adhered to its own One Country Two Systems model with Hong Kong - and they drafted most of the text of the 1984 Sino-British Agreement rather than having it dictated to them - then they would be getting Taiwan back peacefully, voluntarily and at no cost whatsoever round about now.

China is powerful enough that they can just flagrantly disregard their One Country Two Systems undertakings with Hong Kong - and they have.

But that very show of power has basically ensured that Taiwan will not now agree to returning to Chinese sovereignty, because they can see that Hong Kong did but then found that all the undertakings given to Hong Kong were broken.

It's just a total mess. And the more China exerts its power with Hong Kong, the further away any chance of peaceful reunification with Taiwan gets.
 
Given Ukraine stunt has backfired somewhat, the Zionists are at it again, no doubt AIPAC see a money making opportunity here, plus the rise of China is an attack on USD homogeny, an attack on Zionist central banking.

We must never forget, where US are involved in war, AIPAC is providing the funds, and instructions.

Come on Russia and China, unite on the basis of what you have in common, the root of all evil, Zionism.
 
Please don't Yamamoto Pelosi.

She deserves a long excruciating and ignominious demise.
 
Noticing the global media attention a visit can generate, Westminster is excited ......

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...visit-to-taiwan-as-tension-with-china-simmers

British MPs plan visit to Taiwan as tension with China simmers

Britain’s House of Commons foreign affairs committee is planning a visit to Taiwan later this year – probably in November or early December – despite rising tensions in the region, the Guardian has learned.

Sources say the trip – which was originally scheduled for early this year but was postponed due to one member of the delegation testing positive for Covid – was intended to show Britain’s support for the democratically run island, which China considers its own.

Reminds one of the neighbourhood/family aunties..... the peer pressure to outdo each other!

Global britain is back baby!
 
All about the optics; UK want’s to been seen as the bearer of strength vs Russia and China.

UK is not even a soft power anymore, more like Kleenex power, ready to wipe away the tears once Zionists are done with the UK.
 
All about the optics; UK want’s to been seen as the bearer of strength vs Russia and China.

UK is not even a soft power anymore, more like Kleenex power, ready to wipe away the tears once Zionists are done with the UK.

You really are boring now. Your anti UK rhetoric is also quite the fantasy.

The UK has one of the most powerful navies in the world, 3rd I'd say currently, has a nuclear deterant and a superb, modern airforce.
 
You really are boring now. Your anti UK rhetoric is also quite the fantasy.

The UK has one of the most powerful navies in the world, 3rd I'd say currently, has a nuclear deterant and a superb, modern airforce.

He is anti UK but supports the Tories and Boris who are enacting these idiotic policies
 
Did anyone read globaltimes reports before she landed? :))) Wow Chinese media thought highly of PLA who thought they will shoot down Pelosi’s plane rofl.

Irrespective highly avoidable by Pelosi, not needed at all, US establishment at it again.
 
US on other hand has still proved it’s the actual power house.(for now)
 
US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has landed in Taiwan amid escalating threats from China over the visit. China warned the US that it was "playing with fire". The Chinese military has vowed to launch "targeted military actions".
 
You really are boring now. Your anti UK rhetoric is also quite the fantasy.

The UK has one of the most powerful navies in the world, 3rd I'd say currently, has a nuclear deterant and a superb, modern airforce.

UK and its Navy one of the most powerful? We're not living during the height of the British Empire anymore. UK's military is weak, which is why UK is entirely dependent on NATO. Come to think of it, UK didn't do much even when UK accused Russia of conducting a chemical attack on UK soil, the best UK could respond with was dimplomatic sanctions, same when Russia annexed Crimea. Now UK is dreaming of going toe to toe with China. All China has to do is stop exporting goods to UK - the end. :)
 
I thought Indian publications used to have a meltdown, Checkout Global times :))) having a meltdown in facebook ,twitter, clearly they underestimated US forces.

China will hurt US with trade and supply slowdowns, or maybe that’s what they were doing and US made this move to show them that they shouldn’t.
 
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US companies should me smart and slowly move out of China or at least reduce their dependency on China.

China will never be a natural ally of US as long as they stay communist. This uneasy trade will only affect stock markets.
 
US companies should me smart and slowly move out of China or at least reduce their dependency on China.

China will never be a natural ally of US as long as they stay communist. This uneasy trade will only affect stock markets.

What you mean move our? Chinese are almost
magical at manufacturing at current speed, it’s not a joke what they do.

Manufacturing is not same as shifting call centers.
 
What you mean move our? Chinese are almost
magical at manufacturing at current speed, it’s not a joke what they do.

Manufacturing is not same as shifting call centers.

Spot on. If the West move manufacturing from China to the West, the costs of goods will sky rocket! No more cheap goods in a flawed capitalist system.

China's military is a secondary option, first option for China would be to attack on the economical front.

We all witnessed what happened to worldwide supply chains when China went into Lockdown during the Covid pandemic - and the worldwide economies are still struggling with supplies!
 
China is all about posturing. They can only bully at best.

Yes China was all talk when it went to war with India.

The Yanks are warmongers esp these self proclaimed liberal democrats.

US has many times accepted the One China Policy which confirms Taiwan is part of China.

Once again the 'free world' wants to cause bloodshed, with their ignorant supporters cheer leading on forums.

Another proxy war is the will of the warmongers but China is far too strong and smart. Taiwan isnt Ukraine.
 
He is anti UK but supports the Tories and Boris who are enacting these idiotic policies

You do realise being Anti-UIK foreign policy isnt anti-UK? Or were you a supporter of the Iraq war and the support for Zionist Israel? If not, why arent you also anti-UK?
 
UK and its Navy one of the most powerful? We're not living during the height of the British Empire anymore. UK's military is weak, which is why UK is entirely dependent on NATO. Come to think of it, UK didn't do much even when UK accused Russia of conducting a chemical attack on UK soil, the best UK could respond with was dimplomatic sanctions, same when Russia annexed Crimea. Now UK is dreaming of going toe to toe with China. All China has to do is stop exporting goods to UK - the end. :)

Who is dreaming of that? You are bizarre, really u are. Like a 12 year old child claiming their dad is the hardest.

The uk has 2 supercarrier groups, brand new ones. Also nearly 20 nuclear subs with the new dreadnought class due to come into service soon.

At any point the uk can have 70 f-35s at sea ready to strike. Only the US has better capacity.

Being able to do something and not wanting too are different
 
I thought Indian publications used to have a meltdown, Checkout Global times :))) having a meltdown in facebook ,twitter, clearly they underestimated US forces.

China will hurt US with trade and supply slowdowns, or maybe that’s what they were doing and US made this move to show them that they shouldn’t.

US and allies can diversify to other countries. This is not crude that the supply is limited.

China has more to lose in a trade war.
 
What you mean move our? Chinese are almost
magical at manufacturing at current speed, it’s not a joke what they do.

Manufacturing is not same as shifting call centers.

US allies have already started shifting manufacturing to India Vietnam Philippines etc. US and its allies control the market and finances. And China really doesn't have any big economies except may be Russia.
 
Who is dreaming of that? You are bizarre, really u are. Like a 12 year old child claiming their dad is the hardest.

The uk has 2 supercarrier groups, brand new ones. Also nearly 20 nuclear subs with the new dreadnought class due to come into service soon.

At any point the uk can have 70 f-35s at sea ready to strike. Only the US has better capacity.

Being able to do something and not wanting too are different

Mere numbers with no gravitas.

You claimed UK Navy is one of the best in the world? 3rd by your reckoning?

Show me a list that says so.
 
You do realise being Anti-UIK foreign policy isnt anti-UK? Or were you a supporter of the Iraq war and the support for Zionist Israel? If not, why arent you also anti-UK?

Don't bother bro, citizens who entered the UK via back channels of Europe will never understand.
 
Yes China was all talk when it went to war with India.

The Yanks are warmongers esp these self proclaimed liberal democrats.

US has many times accepted the One China Policy which confirms Taiwan is part of China.

Once again the 'free world' wants to cause bloodshed, with their ignorant supporters cheer leading on forums.

Another proxy war is the will of the warmongers but China is far too strong and smart. Taiwan isnt Ukraine.

UK and USA have been humiliated in the Ukraine war, their sanctions have failed, and now it's all about saving grace by reminding the world of UK/USA's alliance - the special relationship.

Some relationship, UK is the lapdog of USA, and USA is the puppet of Zionists.
 
US allies have already started shifting manufacturing to India Vietnam Philippines etc. US and its allies control the market and finances. And China really doesn't have any big economies except may be Russia.

Yeah not the same , I can tell you but irrespective in 2 years time it will be clear to most.

The only current issue with Chinese in tech is they have a hard time seeing big picture, which will definitely change with maturity.(already has)

The issues Chinese would face are not with manufacturing, they are absolutely efficient at it tight now, their issue would be their own economy and aging population disastrous Real estate sector which can cause issues to Banks.

Tech wise they are set, it’s hard to dislodge them at current rate- US and Allies will always be great at designing and selling but manufacturing till US fixes robotic manufacturing using 3D , it will remain with China.
 
UK and USA have been humiliated in the Ukraine war, their sanctions have failed, and now it's all about saving grace by reminding the world of UK/USA's alliance - the special relationship.

Some relationship, UK is the lapdog of USA, and USA is the puppet of Zionists.

It gives Brits and others some sort of grandstanding without realising US doesnt care too hoots about them. Biden said rising costs , inflation is worth it for all Yanks & Europeans , as long as it takes until Ukraine wins. Biden and other elites wont suffer but ordinary people will but they are fine with this.

A proxy war with Taiwan/China will change the world forever.
 
It gives Brits and others some sort of grandstanding without realising US doesnt care too hoots about them. Biden said rising costs , inflation is worth it for all Yanks & Europeans , as long as it takes until Ukraine wins. Biden and other elites wont suffer but ordinary people will but they are fine with this.

A proxy war with Taiwan/China will change the world forever.

Proxy war vs China is suicide on all fronts. Add to this the potential alliance between Russia and China. I am interested in what Truss/Sunak have to say.

I feel sorry for the Brits who think Uncle Sam cares for them. I mean some were jumping for joy thinking Biden would reverse Brexit cos of his Irish heritage. :)))
 
You do realise being Anti-UIK foreign policy isnt anti-UK? Or were you a supporter of the Iraq war and the support for Zionist Israel? If not, why arent you also anti-UK?

I don't support bigoted toilet wipes like the Tories

Nor do I support any rabid racist organisations

Unlike him

I detest the Tories
I also detest UKs foriegn policy

Unlike him. You won't see me praising the racist ***** that is Boris.

Unlike him

My views are pretty consistent. I'd expect such a poor question from a fraud like him. Not you. You have some respect on this forum, I'm gobsmacked you lower yourself to someone like him

I love living in the UK. I also support people like Corbyn and i love the liberalism UK provides me

I don't sit in the UK and trash it like an ISIS wannabe teenager like Technics who I doubt is a Pakistani at all. Not only me but plenty have noticed that

For you to defend someone like him, Carry on
 
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I don't support bigoted toilet wipes like the Tories

Nor do I support any rabid racist organisations

Unlike him

I detest the Tories
I also detest UKs foriegn policy

Unlike him. You won't see me praising the racist ***** that is Boris.

Unlike him

My views are pretty consistent. I'd expect such a poor question from a fraud like him. Not you. You have some respect on this forum, I'm gobsmacked you lower yourself to someone like him

I love living in the UK. I also support people like Corbyn and i love the liberalism UK provides me

I don't sit in the UK and trash it like an ISIS wannabe teenager like Technics who I doubt is a Pakistani at all. Not only me but plenty have noticed that

For you to defend someone like him, Carry on

Im not defending anyone. I was addressing a point.

If you are against foreign policy of your government it doesn't mean youre anti the country you live in. On the contrary it means you care more than those who blindly follow it. So Im asking you why do you think being anti-foreign policy means anti UK as you wrote?
 
Im not defending anyone. I was addressing a point.

If you are against foreign policy of your government it doesn't mean youre anti the country you live in. On the contrary it means you care more than those who blindly follow it. So Im asking you why do you think being anti-foreign policy means anti UK as you wrote?

Poor choice of words, more like anti West. Which I'm certainly not. He certainly is. Other than far right parties in the West or rancid individuals like Boris im not sure what he likes in the West.

He isn't a Pakistani at all. Nor a Muslim. The mask has slipped plenty of times. Quite a few people have noticed it. Probably an Indian. Was cheering along with the far right when it came to sending Muslims to Rwanda.

Other than Boris or right wing politicians im not sure what he likes about the West. You atleast I can remember praising what this country has given us

He's like PakLFC. Being so moronic to make all British Pakistanis look thick pretending to be Indian trolls

I'm surprised he hasn't got Nigel Farage on his avatar
 
Who is dreaming of that? You are bizarre, really u are. Like a 12 year old child claiming their dad is the hardest.

The uk has 2 supercarrier groups, brand new ones. Also nearly 20 nuclear subs with the new dreadnought class due to come into service soon.

At any point the uk can have 70 f-35s at sea ready to strike. Only the US has better capacity.

Being able to do something and not wanting too are different

Not that many nuclear subs. Four SSBNs and seven SSNs. Most will be committed to patrol the North Atlantic. Only one SSBN is at sea at a time, with the others in refit or crew rotation.

We don’t have that many F35C yet, though USMC could deploy theirs on our CVAs to make up the shortfall.
 
Poor choice of words, more like anti West. Which I'm certainly not. He certainly is. Other than far right parties in the West or rancid individuals like Boris im not sure what he likes in the West.

He isn't a Pakistani at all. Nor a Muslim. The mask has slipped plenty of times. Quite a few people have noticed it. Probably an Indian. Was cheering along with the far right when it came to sending Muslims to Rwanda.

Other than Boris or right wing politicians im not sure what he likes about the West. You atleast I can remember praising what this country has given us

He's like PakLFC. Being so moronic to make all British Pakistanis look thick pretending to be Indian trolls

I'm surprised he hasn't got Nigel Farage on his avatar

Bro, play the ball not the man. Its a British saying too. :wg

Everyone is entitled to their views.

My issue with your post is suggesting unless you agree with British foreign policy, you are anti-British or anti-UK. Ill assume you take that back because I know you'd never support the bombing of innocent people as UK has done regularly over the last few decades.
 
China says U.S. politicians who 'play with fire' on Taiwan will pay

Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi said on Tuesday that those U.S. politicians who "play with fire" on the Taiwan issue will "come to no good end", according to a ministry statement.

He did not specify any U.S. politician. China has expressed opposition to a potential visit to Taiwan by U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi.[/QUOTE]

https://www.reuters.com/world/china...ho-play-with-fire-taiwan-will-pay-2022-08-02/

Why does this elderly senile woman Pelosi want to visit Taiwan now?

China should come out strong, state Taiwan is part of their nation and therefore Pelosi cannot visit. If she visits, China should simply take over Taiwan fully. The longer they allow this nonsense to continue the more chance of a war. With Russia at war atm, this could trigger a larger more serious conflict which will result in suffering for many inc in America.
 
Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi said on Tuesday that those U.S. politicians who "play with fire" on the Taiwan issue will "come to no good end", according to a ministry statement.

He did not specify any U.S. politician. China has expressed opposition to a potential visit to Taiwan by U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china...ho-play-with-fire-taiwan-will-pay-2022-08-02/

Why does this elderly senile woman Pelosi want to visit Taiwan now?

China should come out strong, state Taiwan is part of their nation and therefore Pelosi cannot visit. If she visits, China should simply take over Taiwan fully. The longer they allow this nonsense to continue the more chance of a war. With Russia at war atm, this could trigger a larger more serious conflict which will result in suffering for many inc in America.

That’s what USA wants as well Pelosi called CCP’s bluff but Majority Taiwanese don’t want to be part of China and unlike other such places, Taiwanese have financial might as well.

Global Times were threatening so much before the visit and now Chinese are doing “drills” when Pelosi flew right from there.
 
Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi said on Tuesday that those U.S. politicians who "play with fire" on the Taiwan issue will "come to no good end", according to a ministry statement.

He did not specify any U.S. politician. China has expressed opposition to a potential visit to Taiwan by U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china...ho-play-with-fire-taiwan-will-pay-2022-08-02/

Why does this elderly senile woman Pelosi want to visit Taiwan now?

China should come out strong, state Taiwan is part of their nation and therefore Pelosi cannot visit. If she visits, China should simply take over Taiwan fully. The longer they allow this nonsense to continue the more chance of a war. With Russia at war atm, this could trigger a larger more serious conflict which will result in suffering for many inc in America.

Senile President - Biden
Senile Speak of the House - Pelosi
Senile VP - Harris

You cannot make this up, then again, this is Liberalism, vote the right gender, the right colour, and ignore competence altogether.

The Taiwan visit is to promote Liberal Democracy - Ha Ha - and of course sabre rattling after the humiliation gifted by Putin.
 
Mere numbers with no gravitas.

You claimed UK Navy is one of the best in the world? 3rd by your reckoning?

Show me a list that says so.

2 super carrier groups. Only the US has more. China and Russia may have more ships but they can't reach globally.

The US is out on its own, then China then I'd say UK and Japan
 
US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has landed in Taiwan amid escalating threats from China over the visit. China warned the US that it was "playing with fire". The Chinese military has vowed to launch "targeted military actions".

Cat's out of the bag, let's see what China does.

Xi Jing Ping absolutely have to respond or it will make him look weak in front of his home crowd as well as the world.
 
It's all so stupid. All of it. An 82 year old woman visits Taiwan.... Big deal. Get over it
 
Chinese did all the build up before visit with all aircrafts etc and yet the old corrupt lady was like sure lets see what you can do.

I mean it’s not even Obama, it’s corrupt Pelosi that called out CCP bluff, absolute shambles.

She is one of the most hated politicians in America and yet Chinese couldnt do anything.
 
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Cat's out of the bag, let's see what China does.

Xi Jing Ping absolutely have to respond or it will make him look weak in front of his home crowd as well as the world.

He doesn't have to do anything. The US sells weapons to Taiwan, and a visit by an 82 year old woman is the worst thing?
 
He doesn't have to do anything. The US sells weapons to Taiwan, and a visit by an 82 year old woman is the worst thing?

It’s worse because CCP kept warning against it, the CCP mouthpiece was on and on about it.

The lady is absolutely inconsequential not to forget corrupt.

It was CCP who blew it out of proportions not Nancy.
 
That’s what USA wants as well Pelosi called CCP’s bluff but Majority Taiwanese don’t want to be part of China and unlike other such places, Taiwanese have financial might as well.

Global Times were threatening so much before the visit and now Chinese are doing “drills” when Pelosi flew right from there.

Irrelevant , please read the One China Policy which the US agrees too.

There is no way China will allow Taiwan to be a puppet state of the terrorist American empire.

China is a rising empire while America is a declining Empire. When this overlap happens there is usually some sort of conflict.

Easy way for Russia and China, make the west broke , it will self destruct.
 
one of the most reckless moves ive seen in global geo politics in a long while, theres a million and one things wrong with the world and the us wants to antagonise china, the one country it needs more than any other to ensure the global economy has any shot at a return to growth in the next few years.

miss the times of statesmen who knew statescraft, these guys are like senile blind geriatrics waving wooden swords in a field full of landmines.

china i dont think will fall for the trick, they will flex domestic muscle but are not dumb enough to escalate this. strong words and domestic show of force is in order, and perhaps rhetoric to hasten the absorption of taiwan into the prc.
 
Irrelevant , please read the One China Policy which the US agrees too.

There is no way China will allow Taiwan to be a puppet state of the terrorist American empire.

China is a rising empire while America is a declining Empire. When this overlap happens there is usually some sort of conflict.

Easy way for Russia and China, make the west broke , it will self destruct.

US also said it won’t violate Afghanistan’s territory.. and look what they did yesterday they always have these clauses, loopholes.

Believe USA policies at your own risk.
 
US also said it won’t violate Afghanistan’s territory.. and look what they did yesterday they always have these clauses, loopholes.

Believe USA policies at your own risk.

You can never trust a proven liar who is also a terrorist.

Difference is China is not Afghanistan. It can sanctions US in many ways, of course it will harm itself too but if you back a dragon into a corner , you will be set on fire.
 
2 super carrier groups. Only the US has more. China and Russia may have more ships but they can't reach globally.

The US is out on its own, then China then I'd say UK and Japan

Show me a list of most powerful Navies in the world, what number is UK at?

You don't have any evidence supporting your claim do you? All you have are brochure numbers. Nothing found on Google? No, cos UK does not have one of the most powerful Navies in the world.
 
VIX up.
USD/JPY up
Stock indices down

Yup this Taiwan trip is already paying dividends.
 
Show me a list of most powerful Navies in the world, what number is UK at?

You don't have any evidence supporting your claim do you? All you have are brochure numbers. Nothing found on Google? No, cos UK does not have one of the most powerful Navies in the world.

Jesus... you are like the duracell bunny. The UK has the 5th biggest defence budget in the world. The idea the UK is insignificant is a fantasy of yours.

I'll repeat... 2 super carrier groups. Nuclear attack and ballistic subs. The ability to station 5th gen fighters off the coast of any country in the world.

Currently only the US has that, China too very soon.

What part of that do you NOT understand? Or are u just looking at wiki and seeing Russia and India has 1000 ships with 800 being tug boats and narrow boats??
 
US also said it won’t violate Afghanistan’s territory.. and look what they did yesterday they always have these clauses, loopholes.

Believe USA policies at your own risk.

They did on the condition that the taliban didn't harbour terrorists.... what's the 1st thing they did?

Idiots
 
Bro, play the ball not the man. Its a British saying too. :wg

Everyone is entitled to their views.

My issue with your post is suggesting unless you agree with British foreign policy, you are anti-British or anti-UK. Ill assume you take that back because I know you'd never support the bombing of innocent people as UK has done regularly over the last few decades.

Ofcourse I'd never. That's why I said British policy abroad has been abhorrent to say the least.

And watch Truss and other Tory lackeys jump up and down when it comes to China just to be a yessir to the US. And further cripple the nation
 
Irrelevant , please read the One China Policy which the US agrees too.

There is no way China will allow Taiwan to be a puppet state of the terrorist American empire.

China is a rising empire while America is a declining Empire. When this overlap happens there is usually some sort of conflict.

Easy way for Russia and China, make the west broke , it will self destruct.

The uk agreed to the one china policy with Hong Kong. China agreed not to interfere with Hong Kong until the 2040'S, agreed with the UN.

They have broken that agreement, so why should Taiwan or the US respect it? the CCP have never ruled Taiwan.
 
Jesus... you are like the duracell bunny. The UK has the 5th biggest defence budget in the world. The idea the UK is insignificant is a fantasy of yours.

I'll repeat... 2 super carrier groups. Nuclear attack and ballistic subs. The ability to station 5th gen fighters off the coast of any country in the world.

Currently only the US has that, China too very soon.

What part of that do you NOT understand? Or are u just looking at wiki and seeing Russia and India has 1000 ships with 800 being tug boats and narrow boats??

Brochure material.

In essence the world doesn’t agree with your myth. It is so easy to pull up top ranking Naval lists from Google these days, but you seem to fail.

Largest Navy by size of fleet (I picked the first link from Google)

https://www.globalfirepower.com/navy-ships.php

UK is at 42, lower than Pakistan which is at 30. Heck, North Korea is in the top 5! Russia and China take the top 2 spots.

Yes I know it’s not always about size, but since you have failed to produce an iota of evidence to support your claim, I have no reason to believe you.

Your inability to back your claims is leading to your very own frustration. Don’t blame others.
 
North Korea?? Ha ha ha. Yiur post is ended by even counting them. That list counts fishing boats.

Hilarious 😂
 
North Korea?? Ha ha ha. Yiur post is ended by even counting them. That list counts fishing boats.

Hilarious ��

What is hilarious you have had the opportunity to prove me wrong by backing up your claims, many times, yet you have not. I just posted a link to fleet sizes, I did not compile the list, like you are conjuring a lie.

Keep trying Uncle Albert - during the war. :)))
 
There we go, 5th on the list, but not 3rd like you claimed.

See, that’s all it took.

Maybe post a link in 2023 to see if UK Navy has moved up the ranks.
"This was before the Prince of Wales entered service"

If you are going to completely ignore something... don't quote it.
 
"This was before the Prince of Wales entered service"

If you are going to completely ignore something... don't quote it.

You are posting an assumption because of damage control.

Right now UK navy is 5th most powerful, no need to claim it will be 3rd to validate your initial claim.

Still, any links to say UK might move up to 3rd once PoW entered service? No. You don’t have it.

Stop playing silly games, your propaganda will not wash.
 
You are posting an assumption because of damage control.

Right now UK navy is 5th most powerful, no need to claim it will be 3rd to validate your initial claim.

Still, any links to say UK might move up to 3rd once PoW entered service? No. You don’t have it.

Stop playing silly games, your propaganda will not wash.

Literally posted a link saying the uk moves to number 2 with the addition of the POW...

Nice u admit your wrong though and the UK has one of the most powerful navies
 
Literally posted a link saying the uk moves to number 2 with the addition of the POW...

Nice u admit your wrong though and the UK has one of the most powerful navies

Number 2 now? Not 3rd like you have been claiming? :))) Make your mind up, or did you just read the article yourself?

Yet the article still has UK at 5th.

:facepalm:
 
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Taiwan isn't anything to do with the UK, where have I said it is?
 
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The point is, why is the West getting involved with Taiwan? The answer is simple, to goad China into a war.
 
Nobody is goading anybody. Taiwan doesn't want to be part of China, has never been part of the current China.

You seem to believe Russia ìs on a holy crusade to liberate russians in the donbas, but you believe the 'west' protecting Taiwan is bad?
It's stupid.
 
Nobody is goading anybody. Taiwan doesn't want to be part of China, has never been part of the current China.

You seem to believe Russia ìs on a holy crusade to liberate russians in the donbas, but you believe the 'west' protecting Taiwan is bad?
It's stupid.

Are you having a giraffe?

Ok, so Taiwan doesn’t want to be part of China, why is this UK/USA’s concern? Kashmir doesn’t want to be part of India, why doesn’t the UK/USA send troops or high ranking government officials to Kashmir? Kurds do not want to be part of Iraq, why doesn’t US/USA support Kurdish independence?

Fact is, UK/USA are indeed goading China, there is no other legitimate reason.
 
In summary:

Ukraine doesn’t want to be part of Russia - West are obliged to intervene.
Taiwan doesn’t want to be part of China - West are obliged to intervene.

Anywhere else, West does not care.

Russia and China are the biggest threat to the West, and just like the Gulf of Tonkin, a proven false flag, which was the green light for USA to bomb Vietnam.

West is simply looking for an excuse to go to war with its biggest rivals, and then blame the ‘bad guys’.
 
The US has an historical pledge to defend taiwan. Yiu already know that.
 
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