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LOI young talent from England

I am really impressed by the current England ODI/T20I team and i have never seen this much LOI international talent (Dynamic Players) coming from England in bulk before. I am not talking about longer format and technique here but these guys are good enough to be selected in most of the current top LOI teams in the world.

Batsmen:
Root
Hales
Buttler
Roy
Taylor
Bairstow

Allrounders:
Stokes
Moeen
Willey

Than there are players like Vince and Billings on bench. Not to forget good LOI batsmen like Luke Wright and Lumb are not even in selection radar and Morgan is still under 30.

So this changed England side the way they are playing ODIs and T20Is now will continue to be successful if they don't go back to their old dull way of playing shorter formats with cricketers only suited for longer format of the game or by applying only the text book (orthodox) approach.
 
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Add Sam Billings. He is a gun player and will make it big in T20 and Odi cricket. Malan & Vince too.

# It's all about System , Accountability , Merit & Justice
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Add Sam Billings. He is a gun player and will make it big in T20 and Odi cricket. Malan & Vince too.

# It's all about System , Accountability , Merit & Justice
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Yea Malan too and i didn't even mentioned bowlers their young bowlers are also learning the tricks and varieties for shorter format.
 
Strike Rate said:
I am really impressed by the current England ODI/T20I team and i have never seen this much LOI international talent (Dynamic Players) coming from England in bulk before. I am not talking about longer format and technique here but these guys are good enough to be selected in most of the current top LOI teams in the world.

Batsmen:
Root
Hales
Buttler
Roy
Taylor
Bairstow

Allrounders:
Stokes
Moeen
Willey

Than there are players like Vince and Billings on bench. Not to forget good LOI batsmen like Luke Wright and Lumb are not even in selection radar and Morgan is still under 30.

So this changed England side the way they are playing ODIs and T20Is now will continue to be successful if they don't go back to their old dull way of playing shorter formats with cricketers only suited for longer format of the game or by applying only the text book (orthodox) approach.
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The first thing they did after the WC was make the shrewd Andy Strauss the Director of ECB. He sacked the coach right away, closed the Pietersen chapter for good and changed the direction of English cricket. Good leadership can change things around very quickly
 
No one took me seriously when I said that England's approach towards ODIs is changing and that they will be a force to reckon with, so here they are :)
 
The changes after the WC have been very effective. They have picked the right players for the right format and have been doing very well across the board. I think it will be a matter of time before England regain Number 1 ranking in tests as I can see no other team who can compete away at the moment.
 
SunTzu said:
The changes after the WC have been very effective. They have picked the right players for the right format and have been doing very well across the board. I think it will be a matter of time before England regain Number 1 ranking in tests as I can see no other team who can compete away at the moment.
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Can't agree with that at all, bar root and cook their batting has glaring weaknesses, and unless they find a quality spinner then thers no way their attack will be effective on tracks that don't offer mutch
 
maniac007 said:
Can't agree with that at all, bar root and cook their batting has glaring weaknesses, and unless they find a quality spinner then thers no way their attack will be effective on tracks that don't offer mutch
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Weakness is there. But compared to other teams not as bad. Stokes is a great lower order bat. Bairstow has been pretty decent as well.
 
Let's take a moment to appreciate England's LOI transformation| 2010 Repeat

Excellent performance by England in this tournament so far.

Ever since they lost to Bangladesh at last year's world cup, they have gotten very very serious in the limited overs scene.

They've ditched their conservative approach that they tried to transfer from tests, and credit goes to Strauss for this as well who has induced quite a remarkable core of dynamic players in the team.

It is like watching a caterpillar go into a cocoon.

I hope this cocoon becomes a butterfly in the finals, and then goes on to win the Champions Trophy next year.

God Save the Queen.
 
They have the likes of Wiley, Rashid and Moen coming in at the end.

Insane batting line up
 
Wonder what the odds are for England winning the T20 WC and winning the Euros.
 
One thing I've noticed with this new England team is that they don't bottle under pressure unlike their predessors.

The 2013 CT was their's for the taking but they bottled.

This new team has the clutch gene esp Root.

Hope brothers Moeen and Rashid do it vs India :amla
 
They haven't really been tested against quality spin on a spin track this tourney.

Given the final is in eden garden, both windies and Indians would be licking their lips at the prospect of facing England in finals.


Although, that doesn't mean England haven't improved. They are playing aggressive brand of cricket and deserve pat on the back for turning things around after abysmal performance in ODI WC.
 
Both the Champions Trophy next year and the 2019 World Cup are in England.

They will win one of them for sure.
 
Suleiman said:
One thing I've noticed with this new England team is that they don't bottle under pressure unlike their predessors.
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Yeah, they seem a happy bunch and back themselves in tough situations. They came from behind to win in three of the last four games, arguably the semifinal too.
 
I'm happy as a supporter that they've recovered. However other than Root,Roy and Hales I don't really enjoy watching the team.
 
Their batting has definitely transformed but their bowling is still very weak. They still struggle against good batting sides like India, Australia or South Africa and they won't be able to chase 229 every time.
 
Sachin136 said:
Their batting has definitely transformed but their bowling is still very weak. They still struggle against good batting sides like India, Australia or South Africa and they won't be able to chase 229 every time.
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Just won four on the bounce, and their bowlers got the batters out of jail in two of those.
 
Credit must also be given to Colin Graves, a lot more then Strauss imo Graves started the revolution with his ground breaking vision. England are now the greatest T20 team in the world and I expect them to dethrone India in the Final
 
HitWicket said:
Don't enjoy it when Buttler or Stokes get going? :murali
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Stokes is a complete jerk lol, kind of reduces the hype for me. Buttler I like but for some stupid reason, I always preferred Sam Billings. Maybe it's because of that time he destroyed Pakistan. :uakmal
 
Robert said:
Just won four on the bounce, and their bowlers got the batters out of jail in two of those.
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No idea why there is this myth that England bowling is extremely weak, Pakistan's so called "great" lineup is much worse.
 
WC-Passion said:
No idea why there is this myth that England bowling is extremely weak, Pakistan's so called "great" lineup is much worse.
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It's not a line up that will set the world on fire and they have struggled at the start of the tournament but are starting to peak collectively at the right time by bowling as a unit especially in the death overs. Each bowler has been given a designated role which has been made clear and everyone executes the plans as required. Nothing fancy but the bowlers are smart as is the captain who understands how to use them.
 
Bottlers bottled it vs India in CT 2013..needing 20 of 14 with 6 wktz in hand...u can't lose it from there

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CricSick said:
It's not a line up that will set the world on fire and they have struggled at the start of the tournament but are starting to peak collectively at the right time by bowling as a unit especially in the death overs. Each bowler has been given a designated role which has been made clear and everyone executes the plans as required. Nothing fancy but the bowlers are smart as is the captain who understands how to use them.
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Exactly. While Pakistan's bowlers bowl 140kph balls that are smashed all over the park, because they aren't using their brains and are trying to be super "aggressive" by bowling bouncers. It was embarrassing against Australia and New Zealand in particular (2016 WC). :facepalm:
 
WC-Passion said:
Stokes is a complete jerk lol, kind of reduces the hype for me. Buttler I like but for some stupid reason, I always preferred Sam Billings. Maybe it's because of that time he destroyed Pakistan. :uakmal
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Fair enough. To be honest if you listen to interviews with Stokes he actually comes across as much less of a jerk than he can do when he gets fired up on the field. It seems to be a common trait with the England players; people like Jos Buttler with their big aggression with the bat you expect to come out and have a bit of an ego in interviews but suddenly you hear him and he's pretty quiet and reserved.
 
Deewana said:
Bottlers bottled it vs India in CT 2013..needing 20 of 14 with 6 wktz in hand...u can't lose it from there

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Completely different team.... They didn't bottle it in 2010 WC did they?
 
So India won 2011 WC in their home. Australia won 2015 WC in their home. Will England finally seize it in their home in 2019? The Big 3 circle will be complete!
 
HitWicket said:
Fair enough. To be honest if you listen to interviews with Stokes he actually comes across as much less of a jerk than he can do when he gets fired up on the field. It seems to be a common trait with the England players; people like Jos Buttler with their big aggression with the bat you expect to come out and have a bit of an ego in interviews but suddenly you hear him and he's pretty quiet and reserved.
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Stokes is like a swearing, over hyping, KP. On social media he's over confident and he likes to unnecessarily swear a lot. He just comes off as a jerk.

When Misbah was trolling him in the UAE he went full 12 year old COD player mode. It was pretty funny but by an England POV it was stupid.

Jos Buttler is fine because he does all the talking with the bat. Stokes can too, but he opens his mouth and spits out filth when it's not needed.
 
WC-Passion said:
Exactly. While Pakistan's bowlers bowl 140kph balls that are smashed all over the park, because they aren't using their brains and are trying to be super "aggressive" by bowling bouncers. It was embarrassing against Australia and New Zealand in particular (2016 WC). :facepalm:
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I wouldn't call it Pakistani Bowling attack, I will call it malfunctioning Pakistani Bowling Machine with the setting stuck on short pitched deliveries.
 
CricSick said:
I wouldn't call it Pakistani Bowling attack, I will call it malfunctioning Pakistani Bowling Machine with the setting stuck on short pitched deliveries.
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Agreed. I think Umar Gul was crying on his sofa watching the match knowing that even he at his old age would do better by bowling ONE yorker.
 
WC-Passion said:
Agreed. I think Umar Gul was crying on his sofa watching the match knowing that even he at his old age would do better by bowling ONE yorker.
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He has forgotten how to bowl them to but I'd have trusted him to try at least, there was no intent from the pakistani bowling machine to bowl yorkers; if you saw any it must have come out there hand by accident that can happen with faulty bowling machines sometimes.
 
CricSick said:
He has forgotten how to bowl them to but I'd have trusted him to try at least, there was no intent from the pakistani bowling machine to bowl yorkers; if you saw any it must have come out there hand by accident that can happen with faulty bowling machines sometimes.
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He bowled some in the PSL. But it didn't matter as Umar Akmal gave him a big reality check.
 
WC-Passion said:
Exactly. While Pakistan's bowlers bowl 140kph balls that are smashed all over the park, because they aren't using their brains and are trying to be super "aggressive" by bowling bouncers. It was embarrassing against Australia and New Zealand in particular (2016 WC). :facepalm:
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Still you would agree Pakistan has the best attack in the world.
 
Recruiting an Australian coach was the solution
 
Mamoon said:
Both the Champions Trophy next year and the 2019 World Cup are in England.

They will win one of them for sure.
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They're no chance of beating Aus.

IIRC, Aus smoked them in England in a bilateral series after the Ashes.
 
Aman said:
They're no chance of beating Aus.

IIRC, Aus smoked them in England in a bilateral series after the Ashes.
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They've changed a lot in a short amount of time. Aus will have the upper hand only if Starc plays.

I'd say overall England batting line up is more well suited to England than Aus who have too many hacks loaded on their team. Hales, Root, even Stokes, all are compact players yet assertive and can go at more than run a ball with different gears.

Aus have Warner, Finch, Maxwell type players who are too one dimensional. It'll work on Aussie phattas, but I think if England continue this upward trend they'll be ready by 2019.
 
Convict said:
Recruiting an Australian coach was the solution
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But they were improving even under Farbrace. What the new coaches have done is make it more fun, while keeping up the intensity. So they go out happy and confident that they can express their skills. Also there has been a willingness to ditch the test players such as Cook and Bell and get LO hitters in.
 
Robert said:
But they were improving even under Farbrace. What the new coaches have done is make it more fun, while keeping up the intensity. So they go out happy and confident that they can express their skills. Also there has been a willingness to ditch the test players such as Cook and Bell and get LO hitters in.
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Yeah that's part of what I mean (the other part is just a snide dig).

Bayliss is someone from completely outside the English system to was well placed to refress things like that and in terms of Limited Overs get out of the stale, conservative English school of thought.
 
They had a bit of revival under Cook as well and reached no.1 in the ODI rankings. And only lost to India in CT13 Final due to an epic choke in a match which had become a T20 match.

Surprisingly Cook was making good scores as well.

In the 2011-2013 period he put up the following scores:

95* (75) against SL, 2011
80* (63) V India, 2011
50 (54) v India
60 (64) v India in India
137 (142) v Pak, 2012 away
102 (121) v Pak, 2012 away
112 (120) v WI

None of our openers can dream of such innings regularly

Overall I think he was doing a decent job and was prematurely fired amidst a big slump. England did worse than it would have under him in the following WC.

He certainly can be an ODI player
 
Aman said:
They're no chance of beating Aus.

IIRC, Aus smoked them in England in a bilateral series after the Ashes.
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On a flat wicket with the sun shining, Australia is the most dangerous team in the world regardless of the format, but if there is something in the pitch or in the sky above, England will always remain the better team in all formats.

Warner represents everything that is wrong with the modern day Australian batsmen except Smith, and that's why I personally don't rate him at all. He's rubbish if the pitch isn't a highway.

Pitches are likely to be flat but you cannot control the weather in England. Let's not forget that they made the final in the 2013 Champions Trophy in spite of having a mediocre team.

I back England to be the third consecutive home team to win the World Cup, following India and Australia.
 
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Mamoon said:
On a flat wicket with the sun shining, Australia is the most dangerous team in the world regardless of the format, but if there is something in the pitch or in the sky above, England will always remain the better team in all formats.

Warner represents everything that is wrong with the modern day Australian batsmen except Smith, and that's why I personally don't rate him at all. He's rubbish if the pitch isn't a highway.

Pitches are likely to be flat but you cannot control the weather in England. Let's not forget that they made the final in the 2013 Champions Trophy in spite of having a mediocre team.

I back England to be the third consecutive home team to win the World Cup, following India and Australia.
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Come the next Ashes, Warner will be toying around with the English bowlers, even if the sun doesn't rise
 
They're not even playing their strongest team. Broad and Finn should definitely have been part of this team and would have greatly increased the quality of their bowling attack. If they manage to win this World Cup, they're the favorites for the Champions Trophy, next year.

Pakistan needs to follow their model in T20s and fill the team with hyper-aggressive batsmen. In the games that they've won, one of their seven batsmen has fired and won them the game. Root in the first, Moeen in the second, Buttler in the third and Roy in the last. In T20s, you only need a few players to perform and you've won. Match-winners are a must here.
 
Boxer said:
Come the next Ashes, Warner will be toying around with the English bowlers, even if the sun doesn't rise
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On Australian pitches, he will toy with every bowler. Unfortunately, Test cricket isn't played in Australia and South Africa only. He has struggled everywhere else. Lacks adaptability.
 
hales
Roy
root
morgen
Butler
stokes
moein
Willey

phew....

unlike westindies hacks these batsman's can play technically correct batting shots
eg. perfect straight drive of Jason Roy
 
Let's also appreciate England's captain who can't bat or even sing his country's national anthem :asif
 
Transformation? What is that brother?

Its all part of the Big 3 deal. Aus won the 2015 WC as per the plan, India to win this WT20, Eng will win the CT in 2017. All 3 host nations happy.

Then the cycle reverses as in, Eng will win 2019 WC, India the 2020 WT20 and Aus 2021 CT/2023 WC

:P
 
ShoonyaSifar said:
Transformation? What is that brother?

Its all part of the Big 3 deal. Aus won the 2015 WC as per the plan, India to win this WT20, Eng will win the CT in 2017. All 3 host nations happy.

Then the cycle reverses as in, Eng will win 2019 WC, India the 2020 WT20 and Aus 2021 CT/2023 WC

:P
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:murali you are correct
 
Just goes to show when you select the correct players for certain formats, give them a long run in the side without messing them around if different batting positions, bowling roles etc.. and also give the players a free reign to play care free cricket then positive results come, PCB take note!
 
They have improved leaps and bounds just goes to prove keep the troublemakers out of the team and a lot can be achieved with a "good spirited" team.Felt India did the same with Gambhir(wasn't performing well either).

Also think players like Root and Butler have been very good for England ,Root's determination to win is surprising to see considering the lazy English game.
 
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The Poms making it to the finals of wt20 is the second worst cricketing news of the year for me. The first one being that Afridi might still be hanging around.
 
Abdul said:
The Poms making it to the finals of wt20 is the second worst cricketing news of the year for me. The first one being that Afridi might still be hanging around.
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That's the 2nd worst? What about Pak crashing out of another wt20?
 
Oh god, absolutely torn here.

I've been desperate as a cricket fan who always had a soft spot for West Indies to see them rise again having watched their legendary era.

But England have worked hard to improve their white ball game and play an aggressive brand of cricket. And of course are my home nation.

Either way, cricket wins as Ravi Shastri likes to say.
 
Markhor said:
Oh god, absolutely torn here.

I've been desperate as a cricket fan who always had a soft spot for West Indies to see them rise again having watched their legendary era.

But England have worked hard to improve their white ball game and play an aggressive brand of cricket. And of course are my home nation.

Either way, cricket wins as Ravi Shastri likes to say.
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Same, will be an epic final.

I'm backing England, have backed them since post 2015 WC.

I'm still hurt from the way Windies dispatched us in the 2014 t20 WC.

If England win it'll be a really heroic story after everyone mocked them in limited overs.
 
I mean seriously, can any bowler stop them?

The way things are going England will keep breaking their own records, again and again.
 
ManFan said:
You stop giving them boundaries early on and watch them choke.
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Who side can do that in world cricket today? Every bowling line up has weaknesses.

If you have a bowling line up of Starc, Bumrah, Hassan, Rashid, and Narine, then maybe you can stop them. :wy
 
Think what he meant was that there will be a hiding if England play this well!
 
Bumrah and spinners will choke these hacks for 30 overs, and that should be good enough for India go chase anything England put on board.
 
BlackShadow said:
Bumrah and spinners will choke these hacks for 30 overs, and that should be good enough for India go chase anything England put on board.
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Just found out that Bumrah is out of ODI series, but no problem. Spinners will give England a hiding. :warne
 
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