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"There was a moment I wanted to pick up the stump and stab Virat Kohli" : Ed Cowan

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“THERE was a moment I wanted to pick up the stump and stab him.”

That’s Ed Cowan speaking about his run-in with Virat Kohli.

Does Cowan strike you as the sort of person who would want to impale the Indian captain with a stump? I didn’t think so.

Cowan is talking on our new podcast — The Stack Report — in a sprawling conversation about his career and cricket in general.

We’re marvelling at the recent series in India and I say I’ve enjoyed watching Kohli, in part because of the villain element he brings to cricket.

The sport is better when there’s a villain: Stuart Broad, Graeme Smith, Arjuna Ranatunga. It’s a flippant comment and he shifts uneasily in his seat.

Has he ever had a run-in with the Indian skipper?

Cowan is forthcoming. Maybe too honest. I can see him weigh up whether or not to tell me what he really thinks.

“I’m a huge fan of his cricket. Don’t get me wrong he’s a phenomenal cricketer,” says Cowan.

“I had a little bit of a run-in that was inappropriate when he toured Australia and the umpire had to intervene.

“We forget that English isn’t their first language. It’s very easy to sit back and say as a player they’re barking something at me that is inappropriate when we don’t try and converse with them in Hindi.

“There’s always going to be niggles around misinterpretation of what’s said and what isn’t said on the field.

“I had a very sick Mum during one of those series and he said something that was inappropriate.

“Why I make the point of ‘lost in translation’, he said something that was highly inappropriate. A personal matter that was highly sensitive. Highly inappropriate. But he didn’t realise that he’d overstepped the mark until the umpire came over and said — ‘Virat that’s overstepped the mark’ — and once that was said, he took a step back and apologised.

“But, there was a moment I wanted to pick up the stump and stab him.”

India — the place and the team — has been at the centre of much of Cowan’s most important career moments. He made his debut against them at the MCG. The last time Australia’s Test side toured the nation, Cowan was front and centre for one of the most tumultuous moments in our cricket history.

The Australian squad’s deep dysfunction was laid bare as coach Mickey Arthur sent home four players for failing to complete a team building exercise.

Some saw the move as heavy-handed, arguing that professional athletes had no right to be treated like naughty school boys. Homework-gate was a watershed moment.

“Most of the players at the time in the group thought it was appropriate,” says Cowan.

“When we sat in that room, it got told to us and I remember it vividly in Mohali there were people in tears upset. The people that had been left out, it meant so much to them they’d been left out or unavailable, it actually brought the team closer together.

“I maintain to this day that the people made the mistake, knew at that point they had made a mistake and the rest of the team knew what the standard was from there on. As it turned out, the test in Mohali was by far and away our best Test match (of that tour). So something that happened that twigged and I think if Mickey had been able to play that out a little bit longer...”

Arthur wasn’t able to play it out.

He was sacked before an away Ashes series and Darren Lehmann took over. Cowan played the first Test of that series despite being violently ill.

Unsurprisingly, he failed and was dropped. Australia lost that one but vindication came for the new coach in the form of a 5-0 Ashes win at home.

Cowan believes much of that victory was borne from the work of Arthur in India.

“Yeah I think so, to a degree,” he says. “Mitchell Johnson, Brad Haddin, essentially won the Ashes back 5-0. Would Mickey have been able to produce those results? Who knows? My guess is to say anyone could’ve coached Mitchell Johnson that series.”

Could Cowan still be playing Test cricket if it was a different coaching set-up?

“I’ve become a bit of a caricature of myself,” Cowan says.

“My job, and it had been sort of ingrained in me, was to face as many balls [as possible] in this Test team. You protect Michael Clarke, you protect Michael Hussey, Ricky Ponting, to the best that you can do.

“One hundred balls, can you do 150 balls? We don’t care if you’re 30. I was like, ‘I’m gonna take some pride in this as my job’ and it kind of ... if I had my time again I probably would’ve said, ‘You know, I kind of get what you’re saying but I’m gonna do it the best way I see fit which would be to put some pressure on the bowlers’.

“As it turns out, I got dropped for being a bit too defensive.”

Elite cricketers don’t necessarily look like elite athletes. Cowan is slightly built, wide-eyed, with a crop of hair that resembles steel wool. He doesn’t speak like most athletes, either.

He’s expansive and philosophical and engaged. When you talk with Cowan, you feel like you’re having a conversation. In my experience, that is not normal for this kind of interaction.

This year he has performed like an elite athlete. The New South Welshman has just finished a Sheffield Shield season where he scored nearly one thousand runs at an average of 73 — more than anyone in the competition.

If you haven’t heard about it, you’re probably not alone. For whatever reason, he is unfashionable. His name has not been thrown around for a possible return to Test cricket. Cowan has been here before but at 34 years of age, time is not on his side.

“I think the realist in me thinks it’s done and maybe that’s created this cricketer who is playing like how he is,” he says.

“Would I like to play cricket for Australia again? Of course. That’s why I turn up to training. You turn up to training to get better.

“If you get the opportunity to test yourself to see how good you are in the Australian team, of course you’d do it. But do I go to bed dreaming about it like I did? No.”

I mention Chris Rogers and Adam Voges. Blokes snuck in Test careers between the age of 34/35 and 37.

“Not only that, I’m the same age as Shaun Marsh.”

Maybe he’s not done just yet.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket...k=e9824ae6b7c988f0b6d5d7fc9bfd515c-1490910520
 
Virat Kohli is the most despicable and shameless human being across all sport, he clearly must not value his own mother to insult Ed Cowan's who was ill; very cowardly stuff, I'd not have blamed Cowan at all if he did wack Kohli with a stump preferably on his head which needs sorting out. Kohli obviously coming from India just couldn't help himself with those pathetic jibes
 
Highly likely that Kohli didn't know about Ed's sick mother.

Otherwise...is anyone surprised that this kind of language is used in international sports? Even in our weekend warrior cricket, this is not uncommon. Let alone high pressure high stakes international cricket.
 
I bet if Kohli had something similar to Sher Khan, Kohli would have been torn into two pieces
 
Virat Kohli is the most despicable and shameless human being across all sport, he clearly must not value his own mother to insult Ed Cowan's who was ill; very cowardly stuff, I'd not have blamed Cowan at all if he did wack Kohli with a stump preferably on his head which needs sorting out. Kohli obviously coming from India just couldn't help himself with those pathetic jibes

Aussies are renown for crossing the boundry or walking right on the line of what is appropriate and what's not. I think your dislike for Kohli is clouding your judgement, he clearly had no idea about Cowan's mom and don't be surprise if Cowan or the Aussies started it. Sports specially a sport like Cricket desperately need characters like Kohli and some of the Aussie players like Maxwell and Warner to bring some life and intrigue into a game.

It seems you like timid characters like pacquiao, Misbah, Haseeb Hameed and are totally against brash and confident athletes who can answer back not only with skills but also mouth and attitude like MoneyMay, Kohli, Miandad, Sarfaraz, Shadab, Hasan etc etc.
 
Virat Kohli is the most despicable and shameless human being across all sport, he clearly must not value his own mother to insult Ed Cowan's who was ill; very cowardly stuff, I'd not have blamed Cowan at all if he did wack Kohli with a stump preferably on his head which needs sorting out. Kohli obviously coming from India just couldn't help himself with those pathetic jibes
To be fair to Kohli, he probably did not know about Mrs Cowan's illness.

But this is why the sort of abuse that Kohli fired at Cowan or that Glenn McGrath aimed at Sarwan has no place in the game.

As soon as you cross the line and make defamatory comments about another person's family - even Messi's comments about the linesman's mother this week - you really assume responsibility for any consequences related to those people's real life problems.

But there's another, much bigger problem for Virat Kohli.

He's clearly India's best batsman, and getting quite close to greatness as a batsman. But he's also equally clearly an inferior captain to Ajinkya Rahane.

India has the wrong batsman captaining the team!
 
Aussies are renown for crossing the boundry or walking right on the line of what is appropriate and what's not. I think your dislike for Kohli is clouding your judgement, he clearly had no idea about Cowan's mom and don't be surprise if Cowan or the Aussies started it. Sports specially a sport like Cricket desperately need characters like Kohli and some of the Aussie players like Maxwell and Warner to bring some life and intrigue into a game.

It seems you like timid characters like pacquiao, Misbah, Haseeb Hameed and are totally against brash and confident athletes who can answer back not only with skills but also mouth and attitude like MoneyMay, Kohli, Miandad, Sarfaraz, Shadab, Hasan etc etc.

Firstly this is what MoneyMay/Floyd is best at when it comes to providing us answers in the ring:

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Secondly, the remainder of your post is a load of garbage and I expect you a supporter of a guy who likes to beat women to advocate Neanderthals like Kohli cursing the mothers of folk who are in poor health.
 
To be fair to Kohli, he probably did not know about Mrs Cowan's illness.

But this is why the sort of abuse that Kohli fired at Cowan or that Glenn McGrath aimed at Sarwan has no place in the game.

As soon as you cross the line and make defamatory comments about another person's family - even Messi's comments about the linesman's mother this week - you really assume responsibility for any consequences related to those people's real life problems.

But there's another, much bigger problem for Virat Kohli.

He's clearly India's best batsman, and getting quite close to greatness as a batsman. But he's also equally clearly an inferior captain to Ajinkya Rahane.

India has the wrong batsman captaining the team!

He did know she was in poor health, there is no proof which suggests he did not know that; he cursed her because he knew she was ill and wanted to get under Cowan's skin by going for a low blow. But like you said whether his mom was ill or not is irrelevant, no need to make personal attacks towards family members

I wouldn't trade a single Warwickshire Bears batsman for Kohli, the man is a hype job! remind me of his average in England PRETTY PLEASE! You're right there Junaids, Rahane is 10x smarter then Kohli who is not the sharpest tool in the box, just comes across as those village idiots that just start to swear at people's mothers when they can't make sense of things
 
Virat Kohli is the most despicable and shameless human being across all sport, he clearly must not value his own mother to insult Ed Cowan's who was ill; very cowardly stuff, I'd not have blamed Cowan at all if he did wack Kohli with a stump preferably on his head which needs sorting out. Kohli obviously coming from India just couldn't help himself with those pathetic jibes

I highly doubt Kohli keeps up with Mrs. Cowan's health.

That's why he apologized.

Subcontinent players are very quick to bring family insults into sledging. Quite pathetic really and most of them do it.
 
I highly doubt Kohli keeps up with Mrs. Cowan's health.

That's why he apologized.

Subcontinent players are very quick to bring family insults into sledging. Quite pathetic really and most of them do it.

Should he have cursed his mom in the first place? would you be cool with that if he was chatting crap about your mom, also the coward makes great use of his foreign/foul tongue; I'd like to see him say those things clearly in the beautiful language of English to Cowan in a dark alley; but he wouldn't dare, a) Indians can't fight b) Aussies are tough and skilled in combat c) he's not as brave as his swears and false sense of confidence which stems from that superficial aggression in a controlled environment with boundaries.
 
Should he have cursed his mom in the first place? would you be cool with that if he was chatting crap about your mom, also the coward makes great use of his foreign/foul tongue; I'd like to see him say those things clearly in the beautiful language of English to Cowan in a dark alley; but he wouldn't dare, a) Indians can't fight b) Aussies are tough and skilled in combat c) he's not as brave as his swears and false sense of confidence which stems from that superficial aggression in a controlled environment with boundaries.

Nah.

Cowan was being sensitive cause of his mom's health.

It's very common for guys to sledge like that. You hear it all out on the field and that's including other sports not just cricket.

I'm not even a professional and I've heard it all. People don't spare moms, wives, dads. The only thing that's truly off limits are children. No one goes down that route.

Is it appropriate? No way but the reality is, Kohli was doing what he's seen all around him on the field.
 
Nah.

Cowan was being sensitive cause of his mom's health.

It's very common for guys to sledge like that. You hear it all out on the field and that's including other sports not just cricket.

I'm not even a professional and I've heard it all. People don't spare moms, wives, dads. The only thing that's truly off limits are children. No one goes down that route.

Is it appropriate? No way but the reality is, Kohli was doing what he's seen all around him on the field.

I've attended numerous contests in many sports for many years and cursing someone's family is not common in football, cricket, boxing, martial arts, rugby...

When Materazzi insulted Zidane's sister, his reaction shows this is not a common insult on the football field.

Kohli takes his competitive nature too far as we have seen recently, someone might meet him in the dressing room after play if he continues this attitude and without a bat I doubt he will hit anything.
 
I've attended numerous contests in many sports for many years and cursing someone's family is not common in football, cricket, boxing, martial arts, rugby...

When Materazzi insulted Zidane's sister, his reaction shows this is not a common insult on the football field.

Kohli takes his competitive nature too far as we have seen recently, someone might meet him in the dressing room after play if he continues this attitude and without a bat I doubt he will hit anything.

Like Materazzi said, "If you go to a football pitch in the suburbs of Rome, Naples, Turin, Milan or Paris, you'll realise that what I said was quite soft compared to what you hear there."

It's very common.

I'm not defending Kohli nor do I partake in such nonsense but athletes can say some incredibly vile things on the field/court.
 
Will support kohli.

Aussies have always gone too far, its not like kohli started it.
 
Will support kohli.

Aussies have always gone too far, its not like kohli started it.

I agree with this.

If anything my respect for Kohli has only gone upwards as everything is fair in love and war. If you can't take a response then don't start a fight.

I would've made even worse remarks than compared to Kohli's.
 
I agree with this.

If anything my respect for Kohli has only gone upwards as everything is fair in love and war. If you can't take a response then don't start a fight.

I would've made even worse remarks than compared to Kohli's.
To Ed Cowan?

Ed Cowan is one of the nicest men in cricket. That's why he played such a large role in the film "Death of a Gentleman".

You all know that I make clear that I'm an English resident of Australia who doesn't like how some Australian cricketers behave.

But the key issue is "some cricketers". I can tell that there is a difference between how Kohli behaves and how Pujara and Rahane behave. I don't think Pujara or Rahane have done anything to deserve personal abuse, let alone against their families.

So why would Kohli need to abuse Ed Cowan?
 
Virat Kohli is the most despicable and shameless human being across all sport, he clearly must not value his own mother to insult Ed Cowan's who was ill; very cowardly stuff, I'd not have blamed Cowan at all if he did wack Kohli with a stump preferably on his head which needs sorting out. Kohli obviously coming from India just couldn't help himself with those pathetic jibes

Why are people jumping on Kohli? In fact, this incident shows Kohli in a better light. He made a mistake unknowingly and promptly apologized.
 
He did know she was in poor health, there is no proof which suggests he did not know that; he cursed her because he knew she was ill and wanted to get under Cowan's skin by going for a low blow. But like you said whether his mom was ill or not is irrelevant, no need to make personal attacks towards family members

I wouldn't trade a single Warwickshire Bears batsman for Kohli, the man is a hype job! remind me of his average in England PRETTY PLEASE! You're right there Junaids, Rahane is 10x smarter then Kohli who is not the sharpest tool in the box, just comes across as those village idiots that just start to swear at people's mothers when they can't make sense of things

There is no proof which suggests he knew about his mother's health. You can't go to court and accuse someone of robbing your house because there is no proof that he did not rob your house.
 
To Ed Cowan?

Ed Cowan is one of the nicest men in cricket. That's why he played such a large role in the film "Death of a Gentleman".

You all know that I make clear that I'm an English resident of Australia who doesn't like how some Australian cricketers behave.

But the key issue is "some cricketers". I can tell that there is a difference between how Kohli behaves and how Pujara and Rahane behave. I don't think Pujara or Rahane have done anything to deserve personal abuse, let alone against their families.

So why would Kohli need to abuse Ed Cowan?

I haven't followed the series at all so I don't know the context behind this story. I was just generalizing Cowan as a typical Australian going by Major's post.

Just to add to my previous post, it only holds value if Cowan was indeed the first one to start the fight.
 
I hate this type of sledging anyways, there is a difference between having aggression and straight up being a piece of..., If i had to choose between being the "timid" guy everybody likes to tear apart on PP or be "aggressive" like Kohli, I'd choose timidity.
 
There is no proof which suggests he knew about his mother's health. You can't go to court and accuse someone of robbing your house because there is no proof that he did not rob your house.

That is the wrong metaphor.

If you break into a person's house at night armed with a baseball bat and when you get there you find the resident has been bashed to death, you need to understand that you may well end up in jail for the rest of your life.

Kohli may not have bashed the resident himself, but he broke into the house fully tooled up. And he alone chose to take that risk.

My thoughts on sledging are as follows, even though Aussies and Indians won't like it.

1. Sledge a player for his cricketing ability if you want.
2. Personal slurs are off limits, whether it's a parent, child, spouse or an issue of race or religion.
 
Lol :D This was like 4 years back, surprised it took him sooooooooooo long to say this
 
That is the wrong metaphor.

If you break into a person's house at night armed with a baseball bat and when you get there you find the resident has been bashed to death, you need to understand that you may well end up in jail for the rest of your life.

Kohli may not have bashed the resident himself, but he broke into the house fully tooled up. And he alone chose to take that risk.

My thoughts on sledging are as follows, even though Aussies and Indians won't like it.

1. Sledge a player for his cricketing ability if you want.
2. Personal slurs are off limits, whether it's a parent, child, spouse or an issue of race or religion.

Sledging isn't taking some risk. Everyone does it, and everyone should be able to handle being on the receiving end of it.

There is a cultural difference too. In Hindi, many slurs involve one's relatives and are used very commonly (even among friends casually).
 
Virat as good a player as he is can improve his on field attitude. Then again it could effect his game if he curtailed his aggression. Aussies have always loved to dish it out but don't like to be given some. It can be a tough game, get on with it.
 
Were people as quick to defend Sarwan after he sledged Glenn McGrath's dying wife as some are quick to defend Kohli? I doubt it as Indian fans treat their players like God who can do no wrong.
 
Too much of Kohli in Aussie media.
Everyday there is a player saying something about him.
 
Were people as quick to defend Sarwan after he sledged Glenn McGrath's dying wife as some are quick to defend Kohli? I doubt it as Indian fans treat their players like God who can do no wrong.

1. Who asked McGrath to start the sledging of Sarwan?

2. Sarwan did not in fact know that McGrath's wife had cancer- so why are we quick to blame him?

3. When Sarwan found out, he did apologize.

Man, so many times Aussies start the sledge, are in your faces the whole time. Then, when players from other cultures react, suddenly they're like "Whoa! Not cricket!"
 
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I think Kohli behaves like a spoiled brat- no two ways about it. But let's not overreact shall we?

Here are two passages from a cricinfo article about Englishman Joe Root's first playing experience in Australia.

Greeted by abusive crowds, even more abusive opponents and an excellent fast-bowling attack led by Mitchell Johnson, Australia provided a far from gentle welcome.

"But I will be slightly more aware this time. I won't be caught cold. I know what to expect from what can be quite a hostile environment."

Link http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/1089218.html

I suggest we all note these lines before portraying only one side as the paragon of virtue.
 
I think Kohli behaves like a spoiled brat- no two ways about it. But let's not overreact shall we?

Here are two passages from a cricinfo article about Englishman Joe Root's first playing experience in Australia.





Link http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/1089218.html

I suggest we all note these lines before portraying only one side as the paragon of virtue.

I don't think anyone said the Australian team were angels but the vehement defending of Virat Kohli's juvenile behaviour in this series by Indian fans has been a joke.

In all honesty, I've seen 7 year olds act more mature than Kohli has in this series.
 
That is the wrong metaphor.

If you break into a person's house at night armed with a baseball bat and when you get there you find the resident has been bashed to death, you need to understand that you may well end up in jail for the rest of your life.

Kohli may not have bashed the resident himself, but he broke into the house fully tooled up. And he alone chose to take that risk.

My thoughts on sledging are as follows, even though Aussies and Indians won't like it.

1. Sledge a player for his cricketing ability if you want.
2. Personal slurs are off limits, whether it's a parent, child, spouse or an issue of race or religion.

We aren't perfect. Human tend to make mistakes in an overheated situation.

If someone have apologized afterwards, I don't see why it you should hold a grudge.

Yes, generally we don't make comments about families but if indeed lines are crossed only to sincerely apologize later, it is a big courage on the part of the guilty party too.
 
It's sad to see that Kohli has been absolutely demonised in the Aussie media and impression of him is of some uncouth chav who can't take the heat...

Not saying Kohli isn't at fault but man have the Aussie media done a big hit job on him or what!
 
It's sad to see that Kohli has been absolutely demonised in the Aussie media and impression of him is of some uncouth chav who can't take the heat...

Not saying Kohli isn't at fault but man have the Aussie media done a big hit job on him or what!

To be fair Virat Kohli has brought it all on himself and made himself look like and "uncouth chav who can't take the heat".

The fact is the guy clearly craves being the centre of attention and stole all the headlines from India's win in Dharmasala when he wasn't even playing.

I thought that was very disrespectful towards Rahane who was the captain in that Test and all the plaudits should've been on him and the Indian team on their win but here we are still talking about the antics of a spoilt brat with the mentality of a 5 year old who clearly is desperate to be the centre of attention.
 
Any line can be crossed if ur opponents are aussies...they deserve anything and everything..they are the one's who destroyed the fabric of this game...
 
To be fair Virat Kohli has brought it all on himself and made himself look like and "uncouth chav who can't take the heat".

The fact is the guy clearly craves being the centre of attention and stole all the headlines from India's win in Dharmasala when he wasn't even playing.

I thought that was very disrespectful towards Rahane who was the captain in that Test and all the plaudits should've been on him and the Indian team on their win but here we are still talking about the antics of a spoilt brat with the mentality of a 5 year old who clearly is desperate to be the centre of attention.

The problem is that the responses to his childish behaviour has been equally childish, and gives the impression tat the Australian media and players are hunting him in a pack.

I'll give just one example - James Sutherland, CEO of ACB took it upon himself to take a swipe at Kohli.

The CEO of Australian cricket, for gawd's sake! What about the chav-ness, childishness and petulance in his statement? The CEO!

The worst boards in the world try not to target opposition players. What does this say about ACB?

And while opinions are welcome, I wonder the relevance of Australian opinion on Rahane, except to take a swipe at Kohli? You think we believe Australians are really concerned about Rahane?

What if I start talking about how Captain Steven Smith threw his team mate under the bus in the dressing room/DRS controversy?
 
Aussies are turning into wussies. I think the episode where Smith was proven a cheat really messed with their minds.
 
LOL pots calling kettles black.

What happened when Australians's were sledging Chris Cairns as he came out to bat when his sister just died in a train crash? Making "Choo Choo" train noises at him.
 
Personally, I don't really blame either side, Indian or Australian. There's a huge cultural divide between sub-continental and western (apart from the Windies) teams that while acknowledged, is often forgotten when such controversies arise.

Consider this- how many such controversies have we heard of this nature between India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh? There have been incidents, I am sure, but not of the kind when Inzi led his team out of the Test, or Monkeygate and Bhajji.

One main reason is that there is a rough cultural contiguity between these countries, so we are well aware of redlines (India and Pakistan particularly, for obvious reasons) and therefore know exactly how far to go, or not. For example, like it or not, BC and MC is common usage, and does not necessarily imply hostility. It may even be directed at a situation, not a person.

But say the same thing (mother*** or sister***) in English to a westerner, well things can get out of hand pretty fast.

Likewise, Australians are raised on a culture of sledging from the junior levels. But when you take that persistent on field badgering, and then expect every Asian man to have a drink with you at the end of the day, welll, think again.

This is the reason Australians in particular demonize a few players- Ranatunga, Kohli. Because these guys don't play by 'Aussie rules'.

But I don't think either side is to blame.

It was a wonderful series, I choose to remember and enjoy the better memories.
 
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LOL pots calling kettles black.

What happened when Australians's were sledging Chris Cairns as he came out to bat when his sister just died in a train crash? Making "Choo Choo" train noises at him.

Downright pathetic!
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION], your thoughts on this sledge? Don't you think it is worse than abusing without knowledge.
 
LOL pots calling kettles black.

What happened when Australians's were sledging Chris Cairns as he came out to bat when his sister just died in a train crash? Making "Choo Choo" train noises at him.

Any links to the source of this news?
 
LOL pots calling kettles black.

What happened when Australians's were sledging Chris Cairns as he came out to bat when his sister just died in a train crash? Making "Choo Choo" train noises at him.

You have to be a sick individual to say something like that to someone who just lost a family member.

Cairns should have stuck his bat into someone's skull IMO. I'd have defended that.
 
Sad thing is someone wanted to stab kohli on the field and yet discussion is on Kohli Kohli Kohli. :facepalm: Shows some serious hatred and jealousy here.
On topic ask any subcontinent player how Aussies are on the field. That Peter Miller comment sums up perfectly about them.
 
Exceptionally abominable and pathetic from kohli.

Though i am not surprised
 
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Am not sure why people repeatedly point out the "line" which AUS orchestrated being crossed, that's history and doesn't justify such abuse at the present. Just because they are Aussie doesn't mean you should behave like a vile human being towards them, it's funny because when they sledge people complain so why don't they have the right to call people out on their vile behaviour as well
 
This AUS team is very very sharif, ED cowan is a good boy; Kohli is a naughty bacha which brings out the worst in people.
 
LOL pots calling kettles black.

What happened when Australians's were sledging Chris Cairns as he came out to bat when his sister just died in a train crash? Making "Choo Choo" train noises at him.

Really? This is absolutely despicable.
 
You can't judge it unless you know Kohli's side of story.

Although Kohli hasn't done anything in the last series that could enhance his dignity and grace, you can see what Australian media is trying to do here.
 
Were people as quick to defend Sarwan after he sledged Glenn McGrath's dying wife as some are quick to defend Kohli? I doubt it as Indian fans treat their players like God who can do no wrong.


This!!!

Whether he is your idol or the best player ever, when one is wrong, saying so does not do any damage. Speaking the truth, even against your brother/relatives is what shows one's own character!
 
Cowan's one of the good guys, comes across a thoroughly harmless fella. Nonetheless, we are reading too much into this as Kohli is such a polarizing figure. It's a nonsensical issue as well, Cowan only brought it up to emphasize that Kohli is an annoying lout.

I personally don't have a problem with how Kohli played his cricket in the recent series, apart from sitting out the last test to get fit for the IPL. Somehow can't imagine the likes of Ponting (to whom he has been compared with good reason) ever sitting out a series decider even if he had to play with a ruptured shoulder.
 
LOL pots calling kettles black.

What happened when Australians's were sledging Chris Cairns as he came out to bat when his sister just died in a train crash? Making "Choo Choo" train noises at him.

Link?
 
LOL pots calling kettles black.

What happened when Australians's were sledging Chris Cairns as he came out to bat when his sister just died in a train crash? Making "Choo Choo" train noises at him.

Darn!

I thought them mentioning thorpe's failing marriage when he came into bat was the worst incident.




Unfortunately with sledging, diff cultures ensures there would be mismatch in standards + players wil not look up opposition player's past conduct before giving it back.

But the aussies coming up with Anti-Kohli stuff makes up for a great read, and so does the thread here due to the remarks from perennially blind haters :mv
 
LOL pots calling kettles black.

What happened when Australians's were sledging Chris Cairns as he came out to bat when his sister just died in a train crash? Making "Choo Choo" train noises at him.

That's shocking and disgusting!
Did Cairns say who the players were?
 
Cowan's one of the good guys, comes across a thoroughly harmless fella. Nonetheless, we are reading too much into this as Kohli is such a polarizing figure. It's a nonsensical issue as well, Cowan only brought it up to emphasize that Kohli is an annoying lout.

I personally don't have a problem with how Kohli played his cricket in the recent series, apart from sitting out the last test to get fit for the IPL. Somehow can't imagine the likes of Ponting (to whom he has been compared with good reason) ever sitting out a series decider even if he had to play with a ruptured shoulder.

No, Cowan only brought it up because he was asked about it in the podcast.

Kohli isn't even playing the first few matches in the IPL because of his injury. Considering that none of us are aware of the intricacies of his injury, we shouldn't comment about the commitment of someone who played a match immediately after his father's demise.
 
What happened when Australians's were sledging Chris Cairns as he came out to bat when his sister just died in a train crash? Making "Choo Choo" train noises at him.

Yeah I remember hearing about this.

That Australian team was pathetic in the lows they would stoop just to win.

Cowan is following what McGrath did - get touchy and bring in family members' health just to shut down the opposition. There is a good chance Kohli didn't have a clue about Cowan's mum.

And LOL at wanting to stab Kohli. Just try it champ :))
 
That's shocking and disgusting!
Did Cairns say who the players were?
I can count 10 to 12 (total pool of about 15 to 20) from that team who wouldn't shy away from doing such stuff, of course without knowing them personally it's hard to say if they've reformed or grown up, or not. However it goes without saying that "on field stuff should remain just that, on field" is just a sorry excuse for the thuggish & pathetic attitude that many Aussies carry in cricket even to this day.
 
In a 2014 article Jarrod Kimber wrote:

But that is not the reason Australian cricketers don't like Kohli. A personal sledge aimed at an Australian cricketer during the 2011 tour cut very deep. It was a low blow.



I wondered at the time what it was so I guess we have the answer now
 
Yeah I remember hearing about this.

That Australian team was pathetic in the lows they would stoop just to win.

Cowan is following what McGrath did - get touchy and bring in family members' health just to shut down the opposition. There is a good chance Kohli didn't have a clue about Cowan's mum.

And LOL at wanting to stab Kohli. Just try it champ :))

LOL what would've happend? We all know that Kohli worksout a lot, but he is no Andre Russel or Chris Gayle.
 
How is Kohli even the villain here? Ed Cowan wanted to stab Kohli with a stump and yet somehow Kohli is the bad man? How do these Aussies get away with crowing about what happened on the pitch stays on the pitch but yet the likes of Cowan come out and reveal everything even years after an incident happened? Same thing happened with Warner slapping Joe Root, so are the Aussies exempt from "What happens on the pitch..."? What a bunch of sore loser hypocrites these Aussies are. If you don't want Kohli to mouth off then you must set the example for him by shutting up on the pitch.
 
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Somebody like Ganguly should have a word with Virat.

Comes across like a princess at times, exacerbated when he's not scoring runs.
 
No, Cowan only brought it up because he was asked about it in the podcast.

Kohli isn't even playing the first few matches in the IPL because of his injury. Considering that none of us are aware of the intricacies of his injury, we shouldn't comment about the commitment of someone who played a match immediately after his father's demise.

I'd only reconsider my stance if the injury is bad enough to keep him out of the entire upcoming domestic tournament. I'd be really surprised if he isn't out and about leading his franchise within the first week or so of the IPL.
 
I'd only reconsider my stance if the injury is bad enough to keep him out of the entire upcoming domestic tournament. I'd be really surprised if he isn't out and about leading his franchise within the first week or so of the IPL.

Are you seriously saying that if the injury doesn't take at least 2 months to recover from, then it isn't serious enough to justify not playing a 35 hour match over 5 days? A T20 match is 40 overs of batting and fielding, a test match is 450.
 
Are you seriously saying that if the injury doesn't take at least 2 months to recover from, then it isn't serious enough to justify not playing a 35 hour match over 5 days? A T20 match is 40 overs of batting and fielding, a test match is 450.

It was tongue in cheek admittedly, but as I predicted he's running around fit as a fiddle now. The injury was obviously serious enough to warrant reconsideration of playing the decider, however, I suspect if it wasn't for the IPL he might have chanced it given that he thought he was fit enough to bat, field and lead the side in Ranchi after he sustained that injury. It's yet another example of warped priorities in this day and age, and it's players' prerogative with their livelihood at stake. I just can't imagine Ricky Ponting ever doing anything like this, which was my original point given the comparison between the two.
 
Desi mentality is very dangerous to have in the UK. If you casually swear at someones Mum/Sis/Wife here, be sure to expect being knuckle dustered in the face.
 
It was tongue in cheek admittedly, but as I predicted he's running around fit as a fiddle now. The injury was obviously serious enough to warrant reconsideration of playing the decider, however, I suspect if it wasn't for the IPL he might have chanced it given that he thought he was fit enough to bat, field and lead the side in Ranchi after he sustained that injury. It's yet another example of warped priorities in this day and age, and it's players' prerogative with their livelihood at stake. I just can't imagine Ricky Ponting ever doing anything like this, which was my original point given the comparison between the two.

It has been a month since that match. There is no warped priority. Kohli would get paid the same whether he played or not. You are trying to find ulterior motives in everything.
 
Cowan's one of the good guys, comes across a thoroughly harmless fella. Nonetheless, we are reading too much into this as Kohli is such a polarizing figure. It's a nonsensical issue as well, Cowan only brought it up to emphasize that Kohli is an annoying lout.

I personally don't have a problem with how Kohli played his cricket in the recent series, apart from sitting out the last test to get fit for the IPL. Somehow can't imagine the likes of Ponting (to whom he has been compared with good reason) ever sitting out a series decider even if he had to play with a ruptured shoulder.

You are one of the level headed guys whose posts I love to read but you have this habit of making claims about a player's commitment without knowing the full data.

You did it first with Ashwin (2016 World T20) and now Kohli (Aus series at home) and to be honest, you are completely wrong on both counts.
 
You are one of the level headed guys whose posts I love to read but you have this habit of making claims about a player's commitment without knowing the full data.

You did it first with Ashwin (2016 World T20) and now Kohli (Aus series at home) and to be honest, you are completely wrong on both counts.

Fair enough, you are perfectly entitled to state that. My opinion on both those instances hasn't changed either, I remember telling you then about the various lenses we see our cricket through and mine tends to be a tad more cynical than most.

In this recent instance, I don't think it's that controversial to state that Kohli might have been thinking about the impact on his franchise when evaluating the decision to play in Dharamsala, which is all I am alluding towards at the end of the day. It would be highly naive and disingenuous to even attempt to argue that point. Not blaming you at all or even lumping you within that category but Indians tend to have this understandable blind spot about franchise cricket that makes them a bit myopic whenever someone casts aspersions against it.
 
Fair enough, you are perfectly entitled to state that. My opinion on both those instances hasn't changed either, I remember telling you then about the various lenses we see our cricket through and mine tends to be a tad more cynical than most.

In this recent instance, I don't think it's that controversial to state that Kohli might have been thinking about the impact on his franchise when evaluating the decision to play in Dharamsala, which is all I am alluding towards at the end of the day. It would be highly naive and disingenuous to even attempt to argue that point. Not blaming you at all or even lumping you within that category but Indians tend to have this understandable blind spot about franchise cricket that makes them a bit myopic whenever someone casts aspersions against it.

I get what you are saying and I am not one of those "you can't say anything bad about IPL" guys. But situation in these 2 cases are so open and shut that there are no lenses or shades needed.

For the first case, a quick look at history, a quick look at the post series comments (complete annoyance) should tell you what's the truth. And as someone who knows people who personally know the said cricketer and his dynamics with that captain, I can assure you that there was a long standing problem.

For the second case, sure, we can say "it is a possibility" but deeper look at this situation reveals a lot:

Point 1 - IPL players (as it turned out) were insured. So no money was lost anyways. The player in question has a brand value that is so out of the world that there is no chance for an owner or any owner to mistake him let alone in a situation where he is injured.

Point 2 - This is a guy who played a game of cricket the day after his Dad died. He had no reason too but he did.

Point 3 - This is a guy whose IPL salary is a small part of his entire salary (he can quit IPL for the rest of his life and still out earn every cricketer by a huge margin due to sponsorships).

Point 4 - The kind of captain he was. He sucked with the bat for a long time in Asia but even then, it didn't change the way he led his team in his field. When his bat started talking in the NZ and Eng series, it didn't change the way he led his team. Why would anything change now? He would be the person who was most hurting to miss out.

The said person faces no probelms be it financial, moral, pressure from owners for doing an act and yet he did it.

If you have to cast aspersions on that, you have to bring in more than "it could be a possibility" cos I am afraid this too is an open and shut case.
 
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Good stuff we need more characters like kohli keeps the game interesting.. The next tour to Australia is going to be fun hopefully we can win and kohli performs..
 
Your mother related jokes/insults/comments are never appropriate. Make fun of the other player or how he looks...why bring up mothers. I expected better from Virat even though he wouldn't have known about her illness.
 
Who is Ed Cowan ?

Case of 'The pot calling the kettle black'

Rich coming from Ozzie :))) :))) :)))
 
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