Things the PCB needs to lobby for and demand from the ICC after the BCCI-PCB DRC verdict

[Savak]

I strongly believe the PCB must behave and act like the second largest cricketing market in South Asia, a board with a cricket team that won the ODI WC in 1992 and 2009 T-20 WC and 2017 CT, a team which rose to No 1 test rankings inspite of having played zero international cricket in Pakistan for the last 10 plus years.

If the BCCI is refusing to pay the PCB compensation of $60-70 million and refusing to demand its govt to allow it to play against Pakistan or refusing to play Pakistan of its own accord, refusing to let the PCB earn big bucks from a Pak India series like it allows the entire world to do so and refuses to allow IPL exposure to Pakistani players, then the PCB needs to lobby with the ICC for the following

1) An ICC fund to salvage PCB and Pakistan that every ICC member country be required to deposit a specific percentage too to reimbusre the PCB for the losses it is suffering due to the abscence of international cricket in Pakistan

2) Requirement for 50-50 cost sharing for teams refusing to tour Pakistan and insisting that the PCB play their home series in the UAE

3) Sending World Eleven teams and players to Pakistan for ODI series, T-20 series and maybe a test match in Pakistan as well. The PCB has done very well to host the PSL games in Pakistan, to host World Eleven players in Pakistan, to host West Indies and Zimbabwe and it is about time the world respects the efforts the PCB and Pakistani security forces are making in efforts to host international cricket again

4) To make the pitches in the UAE faster with fast spin, bounce for the spinners where the ball comes on to the bat, to make the outfields faster

Other points will be welcome

 

[pmahones]

I strongly believe the PCB must behave and act like the second largest cricketing market in South Asia, a board with a cricket team that won the ODI WC in 1992 and 2009 T-20 WC and 2017 CT, a team which rose to No 1 test rankings inspite of having played zero international cricket in Pakistan for the last 10 plus years.

If the BCCI is refusing to pay the PCB compensation of $60-70 million and refusing to demand its govt to allow it to play against Pakistan or refusing to play Pakistan of its own accord, refusing to let the PCB earn big bucks from a Pak India series like it allows the entire world to do so and refuses to allow IPL exposure to Pakistani players, then the PCB needs to lobby with the ICC for the following

1) An ICC fund to salvage PCB and Pakistan that every ICC member country be required to deposit a specific percentage too to reimbusre the PCB for the losses it is suffering due to the abscence of international cricket in Pakistan

2) Requirement for 50-50 cost sharing for teams refusing to tour Pakistan and insisting that the PCB play their home series in the UAE

3) Sending World Eleven teams and players to Pakistan for ODI series, T-20 series and maybe a test match in Pakistan as well. The PCB has done very well to host the PSL games in Pakistan, to host World Eleven players in Pakistan, to host West Indies and Zimbabwe and it is about time the world respects the efforts the PCB and Pakistani security forces are making in efforts to host international cricket again

4) To make the pitches in the UAE faster with fast spin, bounce for the spinners where the ball comes on to the bat, to make the outfields faster

Other points will be welcome

not this again.

 

[rhony]

Points 1 and 2 are impossible. Can't blame other countries for not visiting Pakistan as the threat perception is still there. Point 3 has already happened but will not be frequent as the schedules are packed. Point 4 depends on the conditions in UAE.

PCB is not in a position to demand. At this point any country that is visiting Pakistan is actually doing Pak a favor. WI players were paid by PCB to tour Pak not too long ago.

 

[cricketjoshila]

PCB has little leverage to demand anything extra.

 

[Abdul]

PCB will only get angootha.

 

[latecut]

I strongly believe the PCB must behave and act like the second largest cricketing market in South Asia

Pakistan has the second largest population among cricket playing nations, not the second largest cricketing market.Second largest cricketing market is England. Third largest cricket market is Australia.

 

[Varun]

The PCB are better off doing nothing.

Lest they get pillaged and plundered again. This even by a toothless BCCI at the moment.

 

[shariqnoor]

ICC has no responsibility to compensate Pakistan. It is not ICC's fault that the security situation in Pakistan is bleak. Yes I know it is not bleak because we live there and know the ground realities but when every country's security delegation comes and gives a review to its own government that it is not fully safe, then how can you force ICC to compensate Pakistan? Almost every country in the world has Pakistan on a watchlist with regards to travel. So by demanding ICC To create a compensation fund is another time-wasting and fruitless exercise.

 

[Savak]

Pakistan has the second largest population among cricket playing nations, not the second largest cricketing market.Second largest cricketing market is England. Third largest cricket market is Australia.

I said second largest Cricket market in Asia, not the entire world. In the entire world, we are no 4 after India, Australia, England

 

[Savak]

Pakistan has the second largest population among cricket playing nations, not the second largest cricketing market.Second largest cricketing market is England. Third largest cricket market is Australia.

PCB has little leverage to demand anything extra.

Leverage must be created by ruthless lobbying efforts and noise in the background. You get nothing by sitting on your back side

 

[latecut]

Whatever is the cricket market share, clearly it is not big enough. There is a reason why there was a big three model including BCCI, ECB and CA. If Pakistan cricket market was big enough then there would have been a big four model instead.

 

[ipl_fan]

Be happy with whatever you are getting right now. Don't over think, over act and mess up the thr crumbs you are getting now.

 

[Mohammad zuber]

I strongly believe the PCB must behave and act like the second largest cricketing market in South Asia, a board with a cricket team that won the ODI WC in 1992 and 2009 T-20 WC and 2017 CT, a team which rose to No 1 test rankings inspite of having played zero international cricket in Pakistan for the last 10 plus years.

If the BCCI is refusing to pay the PCB compensation of $60-70 million and refusing to demand its govt to allow it to play against Pakistan or refusing to play Pakistan of its own accord, refusing to let the PCB earn big bucks from a Pak India series like it allows the entire world to do so and refuses to allow IPL exposure to Pakistani players, then the PCB needs to lobby with the ICC for the following

1) An ICC fund to salvage PCB and Pakistan that every ICC member country be required to deposit a specific percentage too to reimbusre the PCB for the losses it is suffering due to the abscence of international cricket in Pakistan

2) Requirement for 50-50 cost sharing for teams refusing to tour Pakistan and insisting that the PCB play their home series in the UAE

3) Sending World Eleven teams and players to Pakistan for ODI series, T-20 series and maybe a test match in Pakistan as well. The PCB has done very well to host the PSL games in Pakistan, to host World Eleven players in Pakistan, to host West Indies and Zimbabwe and it is about time the world respects the efforts the PCB and Pakistani security forces are making in efforts to host international cricket again

4) To make the pitches in the UAE faster with fast spin, bounce for the spinners where the ball comes on to the bat, to make the outfields faster

Other points will be welcome

Icc has to give extra 4runs every match for pakistan and playing teams has to bat 4th innings in test matches vs pakistan
How silly thread is this like my post

 

[BreadPakoda]

5) PCB should create its own ICC and a new judicial system.

 

[Varun]

Leverage must be created by ruthless lobbying efforts and noise in the background. You get nothing by sitting on your back side

You know that phrase about empty vessels...

 

[Shandarchowka]

The intention of the thread is good but some points are impossible. But it’s a good idea to ask ICC to send teams to Pakistan on a regular basis for players to get accustomed to playing in Pakistan..

 

[navin]

6) PCB officials should be given complimentary massages once every tour!

 

[BreadPakoda]

7) Knighthood for Shahid Afridi

 

[boomboomcheema]

Sab milega Pakistan ko sab milega. Thoda sabr Kare.

 

[aukhan]

This bheek maangna thing should end now. If we are the second biggest market in Asia as per your beliefs than why we have to beg them for anything. We should generate our own revenue instead of begging them.

 

[Pakpak]

Ridiculous thread but then I looked at the OP and it made sense. His attention span is limited to anything Sethi and PCB begging.

Throughly embarrassing posts.

 

[ipl_fan]

7) Pakiatani players must be allowed to bite the ball and bowl 2 feet no balls.

 

[Madplayer]

PCB should lobby for not getting the counter sue from BCCI.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Demand that other boards pay PCB for it not making enough money? Not happening.

ICC cannot even force teams to play each other as ICC does not have a control over bilateral series, has been this way for a long long time.

 

[barah_admi]

I strongly believe the PCB must behave and act like the second largest cricketing market in South Asia, a board with a cricket team that won the ODI WC in 1992 and 2009 T-20 WC and 2017 CT, a team which rose to No 1 test rankings inspite of having played zero international cricket in Pakistan for the last 10 plus years.

If the BCCI is refusing to pay the PCB compensation of $60-70 million and refusing to demand its govt to allow it to play against Pakistan or refusing to play Pakistan of its own accord, refusing to let the PCB earn big bucks from a Pak India series like it allows the entire world to do so and refuses to allow IPL exposure to Pakistani players, then the PCB needs to lobby with the ICC for the following

1) An ICC fund to salvage PCB and Pakistan that every ICC member country be required to deposit a specific percentage too to reimbusre the PCB for the losses it is suffering due to the abscence of international cricket in Pakistan

2) Requirement for 50-50 cost sharing for teams refusing to tour Pakistan and insisting that the PCB play their home series in the UAE

3) Sending World Eleven teams and players to Pakistan for ODI series, T-20 series and maybe a test match in Pakistan as well. The PCB has done very well to host the PSL games in Pakistan, to host World Eleven players in Pakistan, to host West Indies and Zimbabwe and it is about time the world respects the efforts the PCB and Pakistani security forces are making in efforts to host international cricket again

4) To make the pitches in the UAE faster with fast spin, bounce for the spinners where the ball comes on to the bat, to make the outfields faster

Other points will be welcome

I agree that the PCB should be stronger, it is the sports second largest market ,as a team they draw big crowds in the UK and Aus and they should really be more powerful than SA, SL, ECB and even CA but they are not.

However, all of this will come through small steps and ultimately, strengthening the structure within, such as the ECB. This points can only and should only be raised after years of successful domestic structure re-formatting.

 

[basitmian]

Pakistan should simply stop playing India in every tournament except WC Finals due to lack of pak gov clearance.

Or Demand money from BCCI for every non WC-Final match.

Money is lost on both sides and ICC will lose money on group games. Matter will be resolved in 1year.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Pakistan should simply stop playing India in every tournament except WC Finals due to lack of pak gov clearance.

Or Demand money from BCCI for every non WC-Final match.

Money is lost on both sides and ICC will lose money on group games. Matter will be resolved in 1year.

Such levels of begging.

 

[navin]

Pakistan should simply stop playing India in every tournament except WC Finals due to lack of pak gov clearance.

Or Demand money from BCCI for every non WC-Final match.

Money is lost on both sides and ICC will lose money on group games. Matter will be resolved in 1year.

Why should BCCI pay PCB playing in ICC tournaments? If PCB has any problem playing against India in ICC tournaments or wants to be additionally compensated beside what ICC pay them then it should ask ICC for that, why BCCI?

 

[latecut]

India and Pakistan did not even play each other in the first four world cups. It is only after 1990s that the two are playing each other in World Cups and their matches are being projected as "showcase"match by the media. In the past, India Vs Pakistan in hockey was hyped in the same way. Now who is bothered when these two teams play in hockey ? Same is going to be the case of this so called "showcase" match of ICC tournaments in future.

I hope BCCI insists that henceforth India and Pakistan should be kept in separate groups instead of deliberately keeping them in the same group. That should take care of this "showcase" match which gets extra viewership mainly because of non cricketing reasons.

 

[basitmian]

Why should BCCI pay PCB playing in ICC tournaments? If PCB has any problem playing against India in ICC tournaments or wants to be additionally compensated beside what ICC pay them then it should ask ICC for that, why BCCI?

Doesn’t matter whether ICC or BCCI pays or not pay.
Pakistan should stop playing India except WC Finals period.

Let there be no group games or Asia cup matches or any other games between them.

 

[basitmian]

Not begging but having a back bone to deny matches.

 

[navin]

Doesn’t matter whether ICC or BCCI pays or not pay.
Pakistan should stop playing India except WC Finals period.

Let there be no group games or Asia cup matches or any other games between them.

If PCB wants that then they should demand ICC put them in a different group. Where does BCCI come in to the picture?

 

[ind_win]

Where were all the Asian guys who do not like BCCI money when Aus, Eng were dominating and dictating rules to Asian countries.

Actually, all Asian countries should come together putting aside their differences and try to play in multi-tournaments.

Why can't the Asian countries have a t20 tournament every year - even in some neutral venue - this way the money will be flowing into all boards and cricket will be the winner and not personal egos.

Also, if it is a multi-tournament, Govt. of India also normally does not oppose I think - which is the main contention for India to not play Pakistan as of now.

 

[Rana]

Be happy with whatever you are getting right now. Don't over think, over act and mess up the thr crumbs you are getting now.

Lol crumbs

 

[BreadPakoda]

Where were all the Asian guys who do not like BCCI money when Aus, Eng were dominating and dictating rules to Asian countries.

Actually, all Asian countries should come together putting aside their differences and try to play in multi-tournaments.

Why can't the Asian countries have a t20 tournament every year - even in some neutral venue - this way the money will be flowing into all boards and cricket will be the winner and not personal egos.

Also, if it is a multi-tournament, Govt. of India also normally does not oppose I think - which is the main contention for India to not play Pakistan as of now.

Well, PCB has been run by idiots who have no business sense. What is the point of collaborating with them?

Have you ever seen Apple collaborate with Intex?

 

[BreadPakoda]

Seriously, people need to get rid of the katora mentality. Throw away the begging bowls and play the game with respect.

 

[ind_win]

Well, PCB has been run by idiots who have no business sense. What is the point of collaborating with them?

Have you ever seen Apple collaborate with Intex?

I mean in these days I find two things which are useless and not worth spending the time on.

1. Weapon business - not going to be much useful (unless you are USA who finger everywhere) with so much at stake for most countries. Basic needs are not fulfilled what will countries fight for and we have one planet, hate or love we have to live with each other.
2. Legal battles - not going to be successful most of the time because of painstakingly long processes and most cases are on flimsy grounds. Out of court settlements have far better success rate than court cases.

 

[Hitman]

Remember this is the same BCCI that used to hand out extra incentives to Western boards to lure them to tour India back till the 80's. No one cared for the BCCI or Indian cricket until they stood on their own two feet. No cricket board, nor the ICC has any special affection for the PCB. In fact no board has any affection towards any other board, they do what's good for their business. How can the PCB lobby in the ICC to get things done their way? How is the ICC bound to oblige their request? The only way PCB can get their way is if they can arm twist or blackmail the ICC, much like the BCCI has been doing all these years.

 

[ind_win]

Remember this is the same BCCI that used to hand out extra incentives to Western boards to lure them to tour India back till the 80's. No one cared for the BCCI or Indian cricket until they stood on their own two feet. No cricket board, nor the ICC has any special affection for the PCB. In fact no board has any affection towards any other board, they do what's good for their business. How can the PCB lobby in the ICC to get things done their way? How is the ICC bound to oblige their request? The only way PCB can get their way is if they can arm twist or blackmail the ICC, much like the BCCI has been doing all these years.

I do not think BCCI is blackmailing or arm-twisting, simply paying-it-back and paying-it-forward.
Also, when India has people like manohar,pawar and thakur etc what is the need for any outsiders to harm Indian cricket - we have so many such idiots in India.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

PCB should threaten ICC with not playing India in any ICC trophy especially the world cup fixture unless India plays bilateral series in Pakistan. If Pakistan actually get India to tour you can generate your $70 million and if India cannot be persuaded, you can stop 200 millions hearts from getting shattered from the customary world cup phainta that you receive #winwin

 

[Hitman]

I do not think BCCI is blackmailing or arm-twisting, simply paying-it-back and paying-it-forward.
Also, when India has people like manohar,pawar and thakur etc what is the need for any outsiders to harm Indian cricket - we have so many such idiots in India.

I'm not speaking about this particular incident. Nothing was handed over to the BCCI by anyone, they are where they are today on their own merit.

 

[ind_win]

I'm not speaking about this particular incident. Nothing was handed over to the BCCI by anyone, they are where they are today on their own merit.

Totally agree - Dalmia, I would give most credit to. He prepared a template. It is improvised all the time by few sensible people.

 

[Mohammad zuber]

PCB should threaten ICC with not playing India in any ICC trophy especially the world cup fixture unless India plays bilateral series in Pakistan. If Pakistan actually get India to tour you can generate your $70 million and if India cannot be persuaded, you can stop 200 millions hearts from getting shattered from the customary world cup phainta that you receive #winwin

That sounds good what if india and pak reach final without playing each other i think we need hand over the trophy to pak i don't want another heart break like ct17 final

 

[latecut]

I'm not speaking about this particular incident. Nothing was handed over to the BCCI by anyone, they are where they are today on their own merit.

Indeed that is what many people refuse to see and give credit for. BCCI (as well as ICC and other boards) are where they are today financially is because of BCCI. No other board, including the more professional boards like ECB and CA can sell cricket like BCCI.

While other boards acknowledge it and try to maintain good relations with BCCI, PCB thinks that they can get their way by abusing BCCI and extorting money from Indian market through BCCI. Abusing your biggest source of money is not taught in any management school, except may be in the management schools that PCB bigwigs go to.

 

[Hitman]

Totally agree - Dalmia, I would give most credit to. He prepared a template. It is improvised all the time by few sensible people.

Here comes one question, although this will sound offensive to a lot of our Pak brothers. And make no mistake, I'm not trying to egg anyone here. But I want an answer to my question. The economic boom in cricket came in the 90s'. I don't think any team refused to tour Pak in the 90's on a regular basis, did they? I'm not speaking of one off incidents. Both the BCCI and the PCB were pretty much in the same position i.e they could grow or they could remain the way they are. By 2001, the BCCI was the heavyweight board in world cricket. Pakistan, as a cricketing nation, has always had the second largest number of fans in world cricket. Why couldn't they replicate the same back then? Forget the 90's, most teams, bar the Aussies, toured Pak even until mid 2000's .... and yet the situation remained the same for the PCB. Is there any rational reason behind it?

 

[latecut]

Here comes one question, although this will sound offensive to a lot of our Pak brothers. And make no mistake, I'm not trying to egg anyone here. But I want an answer to my question. The economic boom in cricket came in the 90s'. I don't think any team refused to tour Pak in the 90's on a regular basis, did they? I'm not speaking of one off incidents. Both the BCCI and the PCB were pretty much in the same position i.e they could grow or they could remain the way they are. By 2001, the BCCI was the heavyweight board in world cricket. Pakistan, as a cricketing nation, has always had the second largest number of fans in world cricket. Why couldn't they replicate the same back then? Forget the 90's, most teams, bar the Aussies, toured Pak even until mid 2000's .... and yet the situation remained the same for the PCB. Is there any rational reason behind it?

Everyone, except the Pakistan fans know what happens. Most of the money that PCB earns through these tours go to thepockets of PCB bigwigs. BCCI have toured Pakistan quite a few times, including 2006 the last time. But the money that PCB made though these tours vanished soon enough and were left needing more BCCI tours.

 

[Ranjha91]

That sounds good what if india and pak reach final without playing each other i think we need hand over the trophy to pak i don't want another heart break like ct17 final

Totally agree- india should handover 70mn dollars without visiting and hand over the trophy without playing!

I am not sure why India played two Asian cup matches. They should have just given the walkover to Pakistan!

 

[latecut]

This is the cricketing reason. Everyone knows the non cricketing reasons as well.

 

[ind_win]

Everyone, except the Pakistan fans know what happens. Most of the money that PCB earns through these tours go to thepockets of PCB bigwigs. BCCI have toured Pakistan quite a few times, including 2006 the last time. But the money that PCB made though these tours vanished soon enough and were left needing more BCCI tours.

I think corruption is "common" even in India. But the basic framework of how a cricketing body should operate and how much control the central body BCCI wields over the zonal and attached associated bodies at state level, the clarity is far better in such cricket-mad country like India.

This is where the success lies. Prepare the framework. Administration and financial sensibility had to go hand in hand. It does in BCCI's case, not sure in Pak or any other Asian body case.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

This is about as likely as us chasing down a 4th innings target without YK.

 

[navin]

op thinks that Pakistan is doing some favour to the world by playing hence it should be compensated for that

 

[Hitman]

op thinks that Pakistan is doing some favour to the world by playing hence it should be compensated for that

I sense the same entitled attitude here.

 

[saintgrace]

My observation with PCB
1) They are very childish. You cant hold somebody to be friend with you if he doesnt want to.
2) They dont understand the law of action. If you keep punching somebody, get ready for some punches on your face.
3) zero political knowledge.
4) learn how to negotiate by putting ego aside.
5) understand what are your strong point and build your case on it.

It is about attitude and negotiation skill you need in current scenario not eye for eye bravado.
Fix chould be simple. Find better people to run it. Current PM can do it if he can't than it would be disaster for PCB.

 

[saintgrace]

PCB should threaten ICC with not playing India in any ICC trophy especially the world cup fixture unless India plays bilateral series in Pakistan. If Pakistan actually get India to tour you can generate your $70 million and if India cannot be persuaded, you can stop 200 millions hearts from getting shattered from the customary world cup phainta that you receive #winwin

The best solution hands down.

 

[indianpanacea]

Forget about everything... Pakistan Is not going to get anything like this... I would suggest
Pakistan should forfiet all their matches against India in any multilateral tournament even if it means knockout ...
To earn money and keep people interested in cricket glamorize your domestic cricket..
Play at least two one-day domestic day n night tournaments with quality television and commentary coverage like international standards.. Max 4 teams to participate and inflate passion like Punjabi's Vs Sindhi's, pathans Vs Punjabi's etc. Etc. And each team should have at least 6 international players
And players who perform here should represent national team..

 

[Mohammad zuber]

Totally agree- india should handover 70mn dollars without visiting and hand over the trophy without playing!

I am not sure why India played two Asian cup matches. They should have just given the walkover to Pakistan!

That is just a trolling post mate take it easy

 

[Tusker]

op thinks that Pakistan is doing some favour to the world by playing hence it should be compensated for that

Exactly. And the more setbacks and rejections they get in this regard the more agitated they become. Because in their own minds Pakistan is a very innocent nation that has been hard done by crooks. There's no solutions to this madness.

 

[Savak]

op thinks that Pakistan is doing some favour to the world by playing hence it should be compensated for that

Pakistan should be compensated for 10-20 years of isolation and the Big 5 being indifferent to its plight. If the Big 5 still insist on refusing to play cricket in Pakistan and demand that the PCB still dishes out $millions out of its own pocket to host them in the UAE then they need to help the PCB out in terms of improving this situation.

Like Ganguly said, the rest of the cricketing world needs a strong Pakistan team and cannot afford to see Pakistan too far behind the rest of the world.

 

[Abdullah719]

Political discussion is beyond the scope of this thread (and the cricket forum).

Please go to the Time Pass forum.

 

[Rana]

Realistically a boycott of ICC events and FTP program schedule should knock some sense into the ICC. PCB has enough money to pay the player's central contracts and domestic wages for a couple of years.

they are going to be holding ICC to Ransom but im afraid its getting beyond ridiculous now. Indian Government and BCCI cannot blame PCB and Pakistan cricket for their country's governmental issues. ICC cannot continue to milk the Pak-India cash cow in their events and not give Pakistan what it owed.

 

[Rana]

OP makes absolute sense here and the only people that disagree with him are those that are secretly enjoying PCB's diminishing value or do not have the courage to speak for the truth and for their rights.

Indian Government's negative stance against Pakistan is hurting Pakistani cricket.

 

[Savak]

OP makes absolute sense here and the only people that disagree with him are those that are secretly enjoying PCB's diminishing value or do not have the courage to speak for the truth and for their rights.

Indian Government's negative stance against Pakistan is hurting Pakistani cricket.

To be Honest, it is not the Indian Govt's negative stance, it is strictly the BCCI. The Indian Govt does not give a damn whether Pakistan India Cricket matches get played or not, it is strictly the BCCI which wants the gap between Pakistan and India to widen by 15-20 years which can be achieved by the absolute impoverishment of Pakistan Cricket and no international cricket in Pakistan. Absolutely zero excuse for Pakistani players to be excluded from the IPL as well during the prime years of our super star T-20 players.

 

[Tusker]

To be Honest, it is not the Indian Govt's negative stance, it is strictly the BCCI. The Indian Govt does not give a damn whether Pakistan India Cricket matches get played or not, it is strictly the BCCI which wants the gap between Pakistan and India to widen by 15-20 years which can be achieved by the absolute impoverishment of Pakistan Cricket and no international cricket in Pakistan. Absolutely zero excuse for Pakistani players to be excluded from the IPL as well during the prime years of our super star T-20 players.

that tells us how little you know about this subject. If the BCCI was hell bent on seeing PCB suffer why would they even sign a MoU ? Think !! Get rid of the victim mentality and think for once !!

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan should be compensated for 10-20 years of isolation and the Big 5 being indifferent to its plight. If the Big 5 still insist on refusing to play cricket in Pakistan and demand that the PCB still dishes out $millions out of its own pocket to host them in the UAE then they need to help the PCB out in terms of improving this situation.

Like Ganguly said, the rest of the cricketing world needs a strong Pakistan team and cannot afford to see Pakistan too far behind the rest of the world.

You are saying as if teams are jumping through hoops to tour the UAE and play Pakistan.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

OP makes absolute sense here and the only people that disagree with him are those that are secretly enjoying PCB's diminishing value or do not have the courage to speak for the truth and for their rights.

Indian Government's negative stance against Pakistan is hurting Pakistani cricket.

Bhai G Dunya mein ah joh.

These are unrealistic scenarios which are impossible.

 

[cricketjoshila]

To be Honest, it is not the Indian Govt's negative stance, it is strictly the BCCI. The Indian Govt does not give a damn whether Pakistan India Cricket matches get played or not, it is strictly the BCCI which wants the gap between Pakistan and India to widen by 15-20 years which can be achieved by the absolute impoverishment of Pakistan Cricket and no international cricket in Pakistan. Absolutely zero excuse for Pakistani players to be excluded from the IPL as well during the prime years of our super star T-20 players.

1. The icc tribunal in its judgement stated that BCCI applied and got govt clearance for its tour to Pakistan in past and that its a tradition. The former Foreign minister of India confirmed it in his witness to the icc. Can you give any evidence to the contrary?

2. PCB refused to send its players for IPL 2009. Pcb thought they could arm twist bcci by doing so. Lol. Result is that IPL is out of bounds for Pakistanis.

 

[Savak]

that tells us how little you know about this subject. If the BCCI was hell bent on seeing PCB suffer why would they even sign a MoU ? Think !! Get rid of the victim mentality and think for once !!

What was the point of the MOU if it was not legally binding? If the BCCI cared, they would agree to have signed a legally binding document which is what the PCB was demanding

 

[Savak]

1. The icc tribunal in its judgement stated that BCCI applied and got govt clearance for its tour to Pakistan in past and that its a tradition. The former Foreign minister of India confirmed it in his witness to the icc. Can you give any evidence to the contrary?

2. PCB refused to send its players for IPL 2009. Pcb thought they could arm twist bcci by doing so. Lol. Result is that IPL is out of bounds for Pakistanis.

The evidence is in front of facts, no Indian govt objections to Pak India matches in ICC events, no Indian govt objections to Pak India matches under India's home series. But magically govt of India objections get raised when it comes to a PCB Home Series against India in Pakistan or on neutral venue.

 

[Tusker]

What was the point of the MOU if it was not legally binding? If the BCCI cared, they would agree to have signed a legally binding document which is what the PCB was demanding

As they have stated repeatedly - and now even won the case - they had all the intentions to play Pakistan. However if their intentions were to hurt Pak cricket they wouldnt even talk to them. Simple logic - why is this so hard for you to understand ?

If you think the BCCI can do whatever it wants when it wants regardless of what the Govt of India says then there can be no honest discussion we can have and you can continue with your wild conspiracy theories.

 

[pmahones]

What was the point of the MOU if it was not legally binding?

The point of the MOU is for both sides to make necessary steps to prepare an LOI which eventually result in a legally binding contract.

Think of it as a first date.

 

[Indiafan]

The evidence is in front of facts, no Indian govt objections to Pak India matches in ICC events, no Indian govt objections to Pak India matches under India's home series. But magically govt of India objections get raised when it comes to a PCB Home Series against India in Pakistan or on neutral venue.

This has been explained a million times before. Indian government wants to punish pakisyam and not reward them. So in Pakistan or neutral venue pcb directly profits from them. In india or in icc events india profits. If india gives a free walk over in icc tournament thats REWARDING Pcb. How is this so difficult to understand?

 

[Savak]

This has been explained a million times before. Indian government wants to punish pakisyam and not reward them. So in Pakistan or neutral venue pcb directly profits from them. In india or in icc events india profits. If india gives a free walk over in icc tournament thats REWARDING Pcb. How is this so difficult to understand?

India can stick to its principled stance and refuse to play Pakistan in ICC events and demand the ICC to not schedule matches with Pakistan

 

[navin]

India can stick to its principled stance and refuse to play Pakistan in ICC events and demand the ICC to not schedule matches with Pakistan

Actually, this is what Pakistan should do after such humiliation and Ehsan Mani has said that we'll play with India on an equal basis and won't bagging as we've been doing. For a change PCB should show some self respect and deny to play against India anywhere.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

India can stick to its principled stance and refuse to play Pakistan in ICC events and demand the ICC to not schedule matches with Pakistan

The only principle GOI seems to be following since 26/11 seems to be to hurt Pakistan in every way possible which includes cricket. There is no principled stand here and nobody claimed there is one either.

 

[Savak]

The only principle GOI seems to be following since 26/11 seems to be to hurt Pakistan in every way possible which includes cricket. There is no principled stand here and nobody claimed there is one either.

Don't think the issue is the Indian govt, they don't care about cricket, it is only the BCCI which is concerned with hurting Pakistani Cricket in any ways possible.

 

[leg-side-flick]

Realistically a boycott of ICC events and FTP program schedule should knock some sense into the ICC. PCB has enough money to pay the player's central contracts and domestic wages for a couple of years.

they are going to be holding ICC to Ransom but im afraid its getting beyond ridiculous now. Indian Government and BCCI cannot blame PCB and Pakistan cricket for their country's governmental issues. ICC cannot continue to milk the Pak-India cash cow in their events and not give Pakistan what it owed.

In 2009 PCB boycotted IPL and the result was IPL became big and PCB could only sulk in a corner leaving it's players high n dry.

If, ten years later you boycott ICC World Cup, then history will be repeated

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Don't think the issue is the Indian govt, they don't care about cricket, it is only the BCCI which is concerned with hurting Pakistani Cricket in any ways possible.

Actually you've got that completely wrong. Despite all the trolling some of us like to indulge in , we all know that Star/Sony etc. would have given significantly higher bids for the rights to broadcast international cricket in India if they were sure of a Pakistan tour or two since these tours are such money spinners. You think BCCI would not want that? Sure they can still make big money on other tours/IPL etc. but they certainly won't be averse to bilateral relations with Pakistan . If BCCI really wanted to bury PCB they could've done that way back in the 2004-2006 season when PCB were close to bankruptcy and yet India toured Pakistan twice in that period and PCB made good money on both tours. That too the first tour was when Vajpayee, a right winger, was in power! That was the ideal time for BCCI to strike if they were as vindictive as you claim!

The reality is that post 26/11 GOI seems derermined to hurt Pakistan in every way possible regardless of who is in power and we are just seeing it in practice even if cricket is only a minor concern for them. BCCI seems to have little to do with this.

 

[gazza619]

Actually you've got that completely wrong. Despite all the trolling some of us like to indulge in , we all know that Star/Sony etc. would have given significantly higher bids for the rights to broadcast international cricket in India if they were sure of a Pakistan tour or two since these tours are such money spinners. You think BCCI would not want that? Sure they can still make big money on other tours/IPL etc. but they certainly won't be averse to bilateral relations with Pakistan . If BCCI really wanted to bury PCB they could've done that way back in the 2004-2006 season when PCB were close to bankruptcy and yet India toured Pakistan twice in that period and PCB made good money on both tours. That too the first tour was when Vajpayee, a right winger, was in power! That was the ideal time for BCCI to strike if they were as vindictive as you claim!

The reality is that post 26/11 GOI seems derermined to hurt Pakistan in every way possible regardless of who is in power and we are just seeing it in practice even if cricket is only a minor concern for them. BCCI seems to have little to do with this.

Agreed. I do not see it changing in the near future. To be honest only a miracle can revive Indo Pak cricket.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Agreed. I do not see it changing in the near future. To be honest only a miracle can revive Indo Pak cricket.

With a lot of internal problems, improving relations with Pakistan would be low on the priority list I think. Hopefully we can see some fierce India - Pak rivalry in the near future which I think international cricket desperately needs .

 

[Savak]

Want to ask the Indian posters a different question. Let's say if hypothetically Pakistan decides to play its home series against other teams in India? What that be possible? Feasible? Could the PCB get better tv rights deals? Would the Indian govt and BCCI be okay with it? Will there be massive uproar in India and amongst the Indian public if something like that happens