Third of early deaths could be prevented by everyone giving up meat, Harvard says

[Abdullah719]

At least one-third of early deaths could be prevented if everyone moved to a vegetarian diet, Harvard scientists have calculated.

Dr Walter Willett, professor of epidemiology and nutrition at Harvard Medical School said the benefits of a plant-based diet had been vastly underestimated.

Recent figures from the Office for National Statistics suggested that around 24 per cent or 141,000 deaths each year in Britain were preventable, but most of that was due to smoking, alcohol or obesity.

But the new figures from Harvard suggest that at least 200,000 lives could be saved each year if people cut meat from their diets.

Speaking at the Unite to Cure Fourth International Vatican Conference in Vatican City, Dr Willett, professor of epidemiology and nutrition at Harvard Medical School said: “We have just been doing some calculations looking at the question of how much could we reduce mortality shifting towards a healthy, more plant based diet, not necessarily totally vegan, and our estimates are about one third of deaths could be prevented.

“That’s not even talking about physical activity or not smoking, and that’s all deaths, not just cancer deaths. That’s probably an underestimate as well as that doesn’t take into account the fact that obesity is important and we control for obesity.

“When we start to look at it we see that healthy diet is related to a lower risk of almost everything that we look at. Perhaps not too surprising because everything in the body is connected by the same underlying processes.”

British-born Professor David Jenkins, of the University of Toronto, who is credited with developing the glycemic index which explains how carbohydrates impact blood sugar, also told the conference that the benefits of vegetarianism had been ‘undersold.’

Dr Jenkins said humans would do better following a "simian" diet, similar to lowland gorillas who eat stems, leaves, vines and fruits rather than a "paleo" or caveman diet, which cuts carbohydrates but allows meat.

His team recently teamed up with The Bronx Zoo in New York and travelled to central Africa to record the feeding habits of gorillas.

When they recreated the diet for humans - which amounted to 63 servings of fruit and vegetables a day - they found a 35 per cent fall in cholesterol, in just two weeks, the equivalent of taking statins.

“That was quite dramatic,” he said “We showed that there was no real difference between what we got with the diet and what we got with a statin.”

Around 17.5 million people eligible for statins to stave off heart disease, equating to most men over 60 and most women over 65. But many complain of side effects and stop taking the drugs.

Dr Jenkins added: “We’re saying you’ve got a choice, you can change your diet to therapeutically meaningful change or you can take a statin. Drug or diet.”

Dr Neal Barnard, president of the Committee for Responsible Medicine also said people need to wake up to the health benefits of vegetarianism and veganism.

“I think we’re underestimating the effect,” he told delegates. “I think people imagine that a healthy diet has only a modest effect and a vegetarian diet might help you lose a little bit of weight. But when these diets are properly constructed I think they are enormously powerful.

“A low-fat vegan diet is better than any other diet I have ever seen for improving diabetes.

“With regards to inflammatory diseases like rheumatoid arthritis we are seeing tremendous potential there too. Partly because of things we are avoiding and cholesterol but also because of the magical things that are in vegetables and fruits which just aren’t in spam.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science...could-prevented-everyone-giving-meat-harvard/

 

[ManFan]

But it tastes so good...

Especially steak.

 

[Itachi]

These are all hypothesis.

Next another scientist will come up with meat extends life expectancy.

There are too many variables to consider and it isn't possible to isolate every one of them to single out whether meat does have an actual effect or not.

 

[troodon]

Red meat is what needs to be avoided. Major reason for heart disease.

 

[ManFan]

These are all hypothesis.

Next another scientist will come up with meat extends life expectancy.

There are too many variables to consider and it isn't possible to isolate every one of them to single out whether meat does have an actual effect or not.

Consumption of exuberant amounts of red meat has been found to clog your arteries, raise your blood pressure, enable heartburn, and in some cases cause hair loss.

My own father used to be slim as a stick up until his early forties. It was after he started feasting on meat that he started to suffer from diabetes, blood pressure, heartburn and now nerve pain in the neck.

It’s no secret why a lot of celebrities and chefs switch to a pure vegan diet.

 

[Pakistanian]

Consumption of exuberant amounts of red meat has been found to clog your arteries, raise your blood pressure, enable heartburn, and in some cases cause hair loss.

My own father used to be slim as a stick up until his early forties. It was after he started feasting on meat that he started to suffer from diabetes, blood pressure, heartburn and now nerve pain in the neck.

It’s no secret why a lot of celebrities and chefs switch to a pure vegan diet.

These problems do tend to arise in your forties. He may already have had a predisposition. Correlation =/= Causation.

 

[ManFan]

These problems do tend to arise in your forties. He may already have had a predisposition. Correlation =/= Causation.

That is generally the case with increasing age as the body fails to maintain homeostasis.

But he was quite healthy and fit up until that point.

I don’t want the discussion to turn to my father but the point of me bringing him up was to showcase how a normal, healthy person, can cause grevious harm to their body by eating large amounts of red meat.

Not to mention his doctor pointing out his heavy diet of red meat and rice as the main contributions to his diabeties.

 

[Pakistanian]

That is generally the case with increasing age as the body fails to maintain homeostasis.

But he was quite healthy and fit up until that point.

I don’t want the discussion to turn to my father but the point of me bringing him up was to showcase how a normal, healthy person, can cause grevious harm to their body by eating large amounts of red meat.

Everybody's body reacts differently. Eat the way your ancestors did, if you're Indian or South Indian then sure itd be better to avoid red meat as your bodies aren't used to ot but if you're from a culture that's been eating red meat for multiple generations now then there's no reason to change. Genetics is a major reason behind most diseases.

 

[hadi123]

I can't imagine studies for something like this being accurate. As another poster said, too many variables. For example, people have different genetics, people have different lifestyles, some people exercise more than others, some people smoke etc so it's gonna be hard to assume just by manipulating whether people eat meat or not as to whether it really results in early death by eating meat.

 

[akki]

Indian yogic culture is strictly vegertarian. Its against meat consumption of anytype since ages.
Although indians consume meat but you dnt meet many people consuming meat.
Any hindu temple,gurudwara ,budhist temple,
You wont get any non veg there .i am not sure about churches though.
Its people choice whatever they want to eat ,except some rare cases of taking care of sentiments of some people and as per law of the country.

 

[slipcatch]

These are all hypothesis.

Next another scientist will come up with meat extends life expectancy.

There are too many variables to consider and it isn't possible to isolate every one of them to single out whether meat does have an actual effect or not.

Not a hypothesis anymore.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ltCeeHrndEk" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

[slipcatch]

Everybody's body reacts differently. Eat the way your ancestors did, if you're Indian or South Indian then sure itd be better to avoid red meat as your bodies aren't used to ot but if you're from a culture that's been eating red meat for multiple generations now then there's no reason to change. Genetics is a major reason behind most diseases.

Please stop spreading uneducated info.

 

[slipcatch]

I can't imagine studies for something like this being accurate. As another poster said, too many variables. For example, people have different genetics, people have different lifestyles, some people exercise more than others, some people smoke etc so it's gonna be hard to assume just by manipulating whether people eat meat or not as to whether it really results in early death by eating meat.

Genetics does that play a role but it can be manipulated with right diet when it comes to heart disease.

 

[TM Riddle]

Everybody's body reacts differently. Eat the way your ancestors did, if you're Indian or South Indian then sure itd be better to avoid red meat as your bodies aren't used to ot but if you're from a culture that's been eating red meat for multiple generations now then there's no reason to change. Genetics is a major reason behind most diseases.

Erm sorry to burst the bubble but South Indians are amongst the highest beef eaters in India.
In Kerala and TN even the Hindus eat it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I haven't done any surveys or proper studies on this subject, but I would imagine that following this recommended diet of fresh fruit and veg with meat occasionally thrown in would be just as healthy, possibly more so.

Obviously if you eat red meat every day then it will be detrimental.

 

[Slog]

What's the point of living an extra few years if you can't enjoy the taste of a medium rare steak?

As the saying goes 'One day of the life of a lion is better than hundred years of jackal.'

Rabbits can eat vegetables and live long. I'll stick with meat

 

[Pakistanian]

What's the point of living an extra few years if you can't enjoy the taste of a medium rare steak?

As the saying goes 'One day of the life of a lion is better than hundred years of jackal.'

Rabbits can eat vegetables and live long. I'll stick with meat

Or like we say these days "I'm here for a good time not a long time"

 

[Khan12]

I hardly ever eat vegetables. Meat is just too good and our family is only good at making meat dishes.

 

[Third_Umpire]

These are all hypothesis.

Next another scientist will come up with meat extends life expectancy.

There are too many variables to consider and it isn't possible to isolate every one of them to single out whether meat does have an actual effect or not.

It's actually not hypothesis. That was literally the whole point of this article...

 

[cricketworm]

What's the point of living an extra few years if you can't enjoy the taste of a medium rare steak?

As the saying goes 'One day of the life of a lion is better than hundred years of jackal.'

Rabbits can eat vegetables and live long. I'll stick with meat

People usually don't just die like ... boom dead. They go through agony of 10+ years where their body slowly gives up with complications of CAD and diabetes.

 

[Third_Umpire]

I can't imagine studies for something like this being accurate. As another poster said, too many variables. For example, people have different genetics, people have different lifestyles, some people exercise more than others, some people smoke etc so it's gonna be hard to assume just by manipulating whether people eat meat or not as to whether it really results in early death by eating meat.

Having a large enough sample to eliminate the impact of those variables will do the trick.

Those that don't want to accept these findings will find comfort in all kinds of funky excuses. Meanwhile, the evidence of the negative effects of eating meat is mounting.

This coming from a meat eater myself. I love a juicy rare steak as much as the next person, but there is no doubt it's killing us.

 

[cricketworm]

Our ancestor probably used to hunt for food with strenuous struggle with hunting. Used to walk and run miles. And now we call from our phone and food is delivered at home.

Ans: Gym.

Well not quite. Not everyone has time with busy lifestyle not for all hardworking men. The mental stress at job doesn't make you get up and go to gym everyday. And 40+ years people aren't that fit and agile they used to be, they rarely go to gym. They work. get tired coming home. Eat and then crash. 50+ knees start hurting so they can't run or walk briskly as they used to be. With these kind of lifestyle, I am not sure eating like lion is a good idea.

 

[Pakistanian]

I hardly ever eat vegetables. Meat is just too good and our family is only good at making meat dishes.

It's important to add vegetables into your diet, helps with digestion, is good for your skin and body.

Only eating meat and no vegetables is the perfect recipe for colon cancer.

 

[Pakistanian]

People usually don't just die like ... boom dead. They go through agony of 10+ years where their body slowly gives up with complications of CAD and diabetes.

Well my grandparents ate red meat and lived past their 80s, 2 of them died without serious complications and the other 2 died after 1-2 years of a serious disease. Nobody had to suffer for a decade.

I think why a lot of Pakistani people see this study with skepticism is cause we have examples around us of most people not dropping dead or suffering for decades just cause they eat lol. This might surprise people from India.

 

[KingKhanWC]

These types of food v health studies never take into account the most important factor for good health, keeping fit!

Those who exercise regularly and eat meat will always be healthier than those who dont and eat veg.

Besides eating veg is just too boring.

 

[CricketCartoons]

These types of food v health studies never take into account the most important factor for good health, keeping fit!

Those who exercise regularly and eat meat will always be healthier than those who dont and eat veg.

Exactly. Those who exercise and are atheist will be always healthier than those who don't but are believers.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Exactly. Those who exercise and are atheist will be always healthier than those who don't but are believers.

Exercise is physical, what you do has an impact on the body. Being an atheist or being religious is an ideology which doesn't impact the body. I think you're getting confused here.

 

[in_cutter]

We ard going to die anyway..so..

 

[TM Riddle]

What's the point of living an extra few years if you can't enjoy the taste of a medium rare steak?

As the saying goes 'One day of the life of a lion is better than hundred years of jackal.'

Rabbits can eat vegetables and live long. I'll stick with meat

What's the point of living an extra few years if you can't enjoy the taste of a strong lager?

As the saying goes '4 bottle vodka kam mera roz ka'

Teetotalers can drink their water and live long. I will stick with bourbon.

 

[slipcatch]

These types of food v health studies never take into account the most important factor for good health, keeping fit!

Those who exercise regularly and eat meat will always be healthier than those who dont and eat veg.

Besides eating veg is just too boring.

Exercise is important but nutritional value also matter and how the food that you consume benefit at micro cellular level.

Meat certainly will fill a person up but it won’t be as beneficial as plant based diet at the cellular level, particularly in a person who is prone to get heart disease.

Some one said that genetic play a role, it does but heart disease, especially clogging of arteries can be prevented with a diet even if you are genetically prone to heart disease, such as atherosclerosis.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Exercise is important but nutritional value also matter and how the food that you consume benefit at micro cellular level.

Meat certainly will fill a person up but it won’t be as beneficial as plant based diet at the cellular level, particularly in a person who is prone to get heart disease.

Some one said that genetic play a role, it does but heart disease, especially clogging of arteries can be prevented with a diet even if you are genetically prone to heart disease, such as atherosclerosis.

What are your views on carbohydrates? If not used they are stored in your body as glucose and then makes you fat if not used up, which is why people become obese and have illnesses such as diabetes later in life but they are hardly mentioned. I eat meat for protein with veggies and fruit esp oranges after to help digestion.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

I personally don’t eat too much red meat,mostly chicken.And I exercise regularly now.But I also smoke,although not regularly.I think this study doesn’r take into account different variabkes over a large sample size.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Exercise is important but nutritional value also matter and how the food that you consume benefit at micro cellular level.

Meat certainly will fill a person up but it won’t be as beneficial as plant based diet at the cellular level, particularly in a person who is prone to get heart disease.

Some one said that genetic play a role, it does but heart disease, especially clogging of arteries can be prevented with a diet even if you are genetically prone to heart disease, such as atherosclerosis.

Raw veggies are much more nutritious than those cooked with loads of oil and spices. I hope those who are looking to maintain a healthy and vegetarian lifestyle have considered a raw food diet.

 

[cricketworm]

Well my grandparents ate red meat and lived past their 80s, 2 of them died without serious complications and the other 2 died after 1-2 years of a serious disease. Nobody had to suffer for a decade.

I think why a lot of Pakistani people see this study with skepticism is cause we have examples around us of most people not dropping dead or suffering for decades just cause they eat lol. This might surprise people from India.

You need to go and see patient's chart and see how many diseases can be prevented just making a small change. Just because people didn't suffer for 10+ years, doesn't make red meat healthy choice. Every single research has gone against red meat diet. Just like smoking for 10 years may not give you cancer. Doesn't mean it doesn't have carcinogen.

The way people cook their red meat also unhealthy habit.

Pakistan number one cause of death?

https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/countries/pakistan/default.htm

MI, because of unhealthy lifestyle. That includes everything. Starts with diet and daily activities. As I said in other post, we aren't lions anymore. We don't hunt for food anymore.

 

[Slog]

What's the point of living an extra few years if you can't enjoy the taste of a strong lager?

As the saying goes '4 bottle vodka kam mera roz ka'

Teetotalers can drink their water and live long. I will stick with bourbon.

I agree there so you're barking up the wrong tree

 

[James]

I love veggie food, takes a while getting used to not eating meat every day anymore, but there is loads of beautiful plant-based food out there. I find cheese harder to kick than meat personally.

 

[slipcatch]

What are your views on carbohydrates? If not used they are stored in your body as glucose and then makes you fat if not used up, which is why people become obese and have illnesses such as diabetes later in life but they are hardly mentioned. I eat meat for protein with veggies and fruit esp oranges after to help digestion.

Anything in moderation is good when you are young and exercising regularly.

There are meat which are good as long as it isn’t processed and not coming out of a drive through window. Nothing wrong in consuming meat.

To heal a body, I have posted a video in my earlier comment , look into it when you get a chance, one need to consume foods that will be beneficial at micro cellular level, particularly in the case of atherosclerosis and diabetic. And nothing better than plant based diet.

My view on carb is to avoid as much as you can. But that beef Biryani is just something else

 

[Itachi]

It's actually not hypothesis. That was literally the whole point of this article...

They are trying to put this as a theory but to consider of as a theory, you will have to show 1:1 results.

In these type of experiments, you'll have to put one subject, on meat for years.

And another testing group on veg for years. Then you can conclude that, yes, meat does decrease lifespan.

In the current scenario, all the analysis include multiple non related factor.

And everyone has a different physiology. From the same food, less fats can be deposited in your body thus making you less susceptible to atherosclerosis. But in my case, since it is process in different frequency than that of yours, the risk of atherosclerosis will be higher if more and more fats are deposited.

The analysis could be right or wrong. But it doesn't give any exclusive evidence by eradicating out all the elements that could influence the analysis. Till that time they can't isolate all the other factors, this will be a hypothesis.

 

[Hitman]

I'd rather die early eating meat.

 

[TQ89]

So i gotta leave kebabs & aloo qeema

 

[Sirris]

We should learn to take the middle ground. Too much of anything is bad.

All I can think of right now is the fact that japanese have the highest life expectancy and they don't have a vegi diet.

If you live a sedentary lifestyle than everything could kill you. People need to do more sport activities.

 

[Sirris]

What's the point of living an extra few years if you can't enjoy the taste of a strong lager?

As the saying goes '4 bottle vodka kam mera roz ka'

Teetotalers can drink their water and live long. I will stick with bourbon.

What's the point of living an extra few years if you can't experience the great high of injecting heroine?

This type of thinking is flawed.

For me life is about having meaningful and fulfilling relationships with others and going through the highs and lows of life together.

For such deep and loving relationships living a few years longer by abstaining from unhealthy things is worth it.

 

[TM Riddle]

What's the point of living an extra few years if you can't experience the great high of injecting heroine?

This type of thinking is flawed.

For me life is about having meaningful and fulfilling relationships with others and going through the highs and lows of life together.

For such deep and loving relationships living a few years longer by abstaining from unhealthy things is worth it.

I was simply pointing out the flawed logic in Sloggy's argument.
Alcohol drinking is fine as long as it's done in moderation. Overconsumption is simply a recipe for disaster.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If you are looking from a religious perspective, long life isn't the goal anyway in Islam, otherwise you wouldn't be getting jihadis going on suicide missions for the glory of God. The Prophet PBUH ate a very sparse diet I believe, although feel free to correct me if I am wrong. A lot of dates and other fruits, probably meat didn't figure a lot, but that wasn't aimed at living a long life.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

I wonder what type of diet was around in the Middle East 3000 odd years ago, people lived for several centuries.

 

[ManFan]

If you are looking from a religious perspective, long life isn't the goal anyway in Islam, otherwise you wouldn't be getting jihadis going on suicide missions for the glory of God. The Prophet PBUH ate a very sparse diet I believe, although feel free to correct me if I am wrong. A lot of dates and other fruits, probably meat didn't figure a lot, but that wasn't aimed at living a long life.

There's nothing in the Quran or Islam which suggests that living long is against the goals of the religion.

The Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) focused most of his diet on fruit and vegetables, with dates and honey. He was rarely seen eating meat and I believe Hazrat Ali is quoted as to saying beware of meat for it is an addiction like wine.

 

[DeadBall]

There's nothing in the Quran or Islam which suggests that living long is against the goals of the religion.

The Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) focused most of his diet on fruit and vegetables, with dates and honey. He was rarely seen eating meat and I believe Hazrat Ali is quoted as to saying beware of meat for it is an addiction like wine.

There wasn't much readily available meat for daily consumption in the Prophet's time anyway. People ate mostly what was available.

 

[ManFan]

There wasn't much readily available meat for daily consumption in the Prophet's time anyway. People ate mostly what was available.

True.

Meat is still considered a "luxury food" for the majority in Pakistan and other under-developed nations. So I can understand it being even more scarce 1400 odd years ago in the middle of a dessert.

Also, up until the early twentieth century, food was considered medicine. You ate to survive, which is almost incomprehensible for us today because of the vast abundance of food available (if you can afford it).

 

[DeadBall]

True.

Meat is still considered a "luxury food" for the majority in Pakistan and other under-developed nations. So I can understand it being even more scarce 1400 odd years ago in the middle of a dessert.

Also, up until the early twentieth century, food was considered medicine. You ate to survive, which is almost incomprehensible for us today because of the vast abundance of food available (if you can afford it).

More than scarcity it was the problem of storage, especially in the middle of the desert. In hotter climates meat was often salted (as it drew out the moisture and killed the bacteria), smoked (hung over a smokey fire) or air/sun dried.

 

[Itachi]

What's the point of living an extra few years if you can't experience the great high of injecting heroine?

This type of thinking is flawed.

For me life is about having meaningful and fulfilling relationships with others and going through the highs and lows of life together.

For such deep and loving relationships living a few years longer by abstaining from unhealthy things is worth it.

Define unhealthy foods.

 

[ManFan]

More than scarcity it was the problem of storage, especially in the middle of the desert. In hotter climates meat was often salted (as it drew out the moisture and killed the bacteria), smoked (hung over a smokey fire) or air/sun dried.

Not to mention salt being very expensive as evident by the prospering salt mines/trade that came about from Ghana.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Absolutely agree with this. I've drastically removed meat consumption from my diet and I feel like I've never been healthier in my life.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There's nothing in the Quran or Islam which suggests that living long is against the goals of the religion.

The Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) focused most of his diet on fruit and vegetables, with dates and honey. He was rarely seen eating meat and I believe Hazrat Ali is quoted as to saying beware of meat for it is an addiction like wine.

I didn't say that long life was against the aim of Islam, just that it wasn't a goal in itself which is pretty self evident really if you look at all the relevant texts or examples.

 

[Abdul]

Never in my life I'm giving up meat. Y'all imbeciles don't watch the amount of crap you're eating throughout the whole day but yes, the meat is going to kill you. Harvard my foot.

 

[ManFan]

I didn't say that long life was against the aim of Islam, just that it wasn't a goal in itself which is pretty self evident really if you look at all the relevant texts or examples.

Okay, so if you are talking about martyrdom and sacrificing oneself for the cause of the “ummah”, than that has little correlation to living a long healthy life.

One can perform more benefit for Islam living a life well lived than looking for death around every corner or secluding yourself to live until you are senile.

The verse about the blood of a scholar being holier than a martyr makes precisely that point.

 

[Pakistanian]

There's nothing in the Quran or Islam which suggests that living long is against the goals of the religion.

The Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) focused most of his diet on fruit and vegetables, with dates and honey. He was rarely seen eating meat and I believe Hazrat Ali is quoted as to saying beware of meat for it is an addiction like wine.

Stop dragging religion into this. When y'all can't win an a debate then you pull out the religion card.

 

[ManFan]

Stop dragging religion into this. When y'all can't win an a debate then you pull out the religion card.

What?

[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] specifically stated, “from a religious perspective” and I addressed him on living long and Islam. So, if you want to blame someone for dragging it into the conversation...

There is no ongoing debate of meat that I’m a part of and the only correlation to the OP is the diet of the Prophet (P.B.U.H.).

 

[DeadBall]

Stop dragging religion into this. When y'all can't win an a debate then you pull out the religion card.

Kind of rich coming from Mr Halal and Non Zabiha.

 

[Pakistanian]

Kind of rich coming from Mr Halal and Non Zabiha.

"Mr halal and non zabiha" lmao, Mr Halal would be people who only eat halal and that thread was related to religious dietary laws.

These are two very different threads and I didn't even bring up religion in that thread, I answered a question lmao.

I swear there should be an IQ test before people join this forum

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Okay, so if you are talking about martyrdom and sacrificing oneself for the cause of the “ummah”, than that has little correlation to living a long healthy life.

One can perform more benefit for Islam living a life well lived than looking for death around every corner or secluding yourself to live until you are senile.

The verse about the blood of a scholar being holier than a martyr makes precisely that point.

But again, you are missing the point, I'm not saying that it is the ultimate aim to be a martyr, just that long life isn't the driving goal for a Muslim either. I would have thought that was pretty evident when the Quran has so many verses talking about the afterlife being the ultimate goal. So it doesn't matter if you live to 120 or die at 25 if you are striving for the word of Allah. The Prophet PBUH being the greatest example and he died in his 40's.

Conclusion: eat meat as your Lord has made it lawful unto you as per the Quran, and if Allah wills you a long life, then it's a bonus.

 

[Abdullah719]

But again, you are missing the point, I'm not saying that it is the ultimate aim to be a martyr, just that long life isn't the driving goal for a Muslim either. I would have thought that was pretty evident when the Quran has so many verses talking about the afterlife being the ultimate goal. So it doesn't matter if you live to 120 or die at 25 if you are striving for the word of Allah. The Prophet PBUH being the greatest example and he died in his 40's.

Conclusion: eat meat as your Lord has made it lawful unto you as per the Quran, and if Allah wills you a long life, then it's a bonus.

Not quite, add another 22-23 to that, that's more accurate

 

[ManFan]

But again, you are missing the point, I'm not saying that it is the ultimate aim to be a martyr, just that long life isn't the driving goal for a Muslim either. I would have thought that was pretty evident when the Quran has so many verses talking about the afterlife being the ultimate goal. So it doesn't matter if you live to 120 or die at 25 if you are striving for the word of Allah. The Prophet PBUH being the greatest example and he died in his 40's.

Conclusion: eat meat as your Lord has made it lawful unto you as per the Quran, and if Allah wills you a long life, then it's a bonus.

Thank you for explaining your point and I agree.

By the way, the Prophet (P.B.U.H.) passed away at the age of 63 (officially in 632 A.D.) on June 8th.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Thank you for explaining your point and I agree.

By the way, the Prophet (P.B.U.H.) passed away at the age of 63 (officially in 632 A.D.) on June 8th.

Fair enough, so another 20 plus years of eating meat in sensible proportions, and as he is the exemplar for all Muslims, all Pakistanis should look to follow suit. But of course, if you want to eat vegan, then by all means, chow down on the Linda McCartney quorn platters instead, nothing is fixed in this matter.