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This is not the same old India-Pakistan conflict : Alison Redford, Ex Premier of Alberta, Canada

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Alison Redford studies at the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London. She is the former premier of Alberta and spent a year as a consultant to the World Bank on energy regulation in Pakistan.

Regional issues between India and Pakistan can seem irreconcilable, being so far away from our daily lives in Canada. Yet, the consequences of the animosity of these two nuclear powers extends far beyond their own borders. We need to examine the events of the past week to support more constructive dialogue in the region and reduce the risk of growing military and nuclear conflict.

The various alliances that India and Pakistan have with China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, the United States and the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) mean that if hostilities increase, there is the risk of many countries becoming involved in the defence of their traditional allies. We have seen what this has meant in Afghanistan for the past 30 years and how that has affected the rest of the world.

The international community must look beyond the mounting narrative of historical misdeeds on both sides and stop allowing rhetoric to exacerbate this dangerous rivalry. Global powers have to stop relying on their historic biases in this conflict and must insist that unproven accusations are not sufficient to justify acts that can lead to war and escalation of the nuclear threat.

For too long, Pakistan’s actions have been unreasonably characterized as aggressive.

The primary conflict between India and Pakistan has focused on Kashmir, which continues to exacerbate a dangerous cross-border relationship. Seventy years of animosity have been based on both countries’ claims to the entire territory, a legacy from England’s empire, that illustrates how partition is still the dominant driver of their foreign policy and regional security goals.

Since 1971, both countries have observed a line of control, which has served as a de facto border. Although there have been incursions across this line, both sides had observed a buffer zone for military aircraft operations – until now.

On Feb. 26, the Indian Air Force crossed the line of control and attacked civilian targets in Pakistan. In response, the next day, the Pakistan Air Force shot down at least one Indian Air Force plane in Pakistani air space, capturing a pilot who has now been repatriated to India.

India’s justification for the original attack was that it was retaliating against Jaish-e-Mohammed, an insurgent group that claimed responsibility for an attack on Indian troops in Kashmir on Feb. 14.

There is no dispute as to the events that took place, but the characterization of them has made resolution more difficult. In various media outlets this week, Pakistan was characterized as the aggressor in this latest round of military activity.

The facts demonstrate a different reality. Indian military jets breached the line of control and launched an attack on civilian targets in Pakistan, (even boasting of civilian deaths), based on an unproven allegation that the insurgents responsible for the Kashmir attack against Indian soldiers were supported by Pakistan. In response, during the next Indian sorties, which appear to have been a second breach, Pakistan, acting in self-defence, shot down at least one Indian military jet in Pakistani airspace.

While some might argue that India was justified in its actions, which are questionable under international law, this also assumes that India’s claims of Pakistan’s support for Jaish-e-Mohammad are correct.

First, in media reports, India refers to 40 years of terrorist attacks against India by Pakistan without equal mention of terror attacks perpetrated by India on Pakistani soil, as recently as three months ago in Karachi, or India’s support for independence insurgents operating in the Northwest of Pakistan over the past 10 years.

Second, although in the past there have been allegations that Jaish-e-Mohammed has been supported by Pakistan, the organization has been banned in Pakistan since 2002 and support for its operations and training activity was withdrawn. Yet, India continues to assert this position, without providing evidence to support it.

Third, it is against the fundamental principles of international law to launch a military attack on civilian targets, which can be considered an act of war. In those circumstances, one can argue that Pakistan had the right to defend itself and that its response was both measured and reasonable.

On the Kashmiri question, Pakistan has called for United Nations mediation, but India has refused, saying that it is an internal issue, while violently suppressing a growing, and younger, local insurgent movement. The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights criticized India for using excessive force in 2017. More than 500 people, including 100 civilians, have been killed in 2018.

In recent months, India’s tactics have been increasingly violent, leading to more international criticism of its conduct and occupation of Kashmir, including most recently by British parliamentarians, and two resolutions at the OIC this past weekend condemning its violent actions in Indian-occupied Kashmir. Prime Minister Narendra Modi also faces criticism domestically from Indian opposition leaders such as Rahul Gandhi, for manipulating these events to bolster Mr. Modi’s political support in an election year.

There have been times when both countries have been accused of being involved in unwarranted actions against the other and the international community is quick to ignore the complicated dynamics in the region and rely on history. Instead, each incident should be assessed on its own merits to avoid dangerous rivalries from being perpetuated. With a real nuclear risk, we cannot afford to be complacent.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-this-not-the-same-old-india-pakistan-conflict/
 
Pleasantly surprised to read this, I always thought Alberta was the redneck province of Canada.
 
Wow, if you don’t look at the author’s name you would think a Pakistani had written this article.

It reflects how neutrals are looking at this whole issue. And Modi is making it very easy for them to form an opinion.
 
So in Mr.Modi government 500 people have been murdered in IOK. Looks scary.
 
Indian military are literally killing Kashmiris in plain daylight. And let's not even talk about daily agressions etc.

The world ain't a random Indian TV set and the people of world ain't as stupid as most Indians who consume warmonger Indian media's propaganda.

Nobody has right to invade another country's border and drop bombs in its territory.

If you factor everything, it is obvious that India have nobody but themselves to blame for how everything is going.

It is against the fundamental principles of international law to launch a military attack on civilian targets, which can be considered an act of war. In those circumstances, one can argue that Pakistan had the right to defend itself and that its response was both measured and reasonable

No one can be judge, jury and executioner. Otherwise the world will go into complete chaos.
 
Thank God for a 3rd party voice that is saying the same thing Pakistan is saying. I hope India will see that the world is not made up of their hypnotized sheep that eats up whatever indian media spins and preaches. Duniya Jag Gaiye Hai!
 
Congress were masters of the subtle art getting away with things through professional conduct and smooth diplomacy. 1971 for instance, Indira Gandhi's interviews to foreign media were iconic and reminiscent of Imran in 2019. She made most use of Pakistan's goof ups and amplified them.

Under BJP since last 5 years, India has had a joke of a leadership which seems hell bent on destroying all the good things India built with years and years of work. Kashmir had almost become a trouble free region. Its now a boiling pot. All the mob lynchings and Islamophobic rhetoric of Modi government has given liberal writers a reason to double check on India's narrative on Kashmir. Why wouldn't they.
 
Pleasantly surprised to read this, I always thought Alberta was the redneck province of Canada.
It is a conservative province, and one of the most friendly. Thing about Redford is, she had to resign due to corruption allegations.
 
Congress were masters of the subtle art getting away with things through professional conduct and smooth diplomacy. 1971 for instance, Indira Gandhi's interviews to foreign media were iconic and reminiscent of Imran in 2019. She made most use of Pakistan's goof ups and amplified them.

Under BJP since last 5 years, India has had a joke of a leadership which seems hell bent on destroying all the good things India built with years and years of work. Kashmir had almost become a trouble free region. Its now a boiling pot. All the mob lynchings and Islamophobic rhetoric of Modi government has given liberal writers a reason to double check on India's narrative on Kashmir. Why wouldn't they.

Can you tell me when and where Kashmir was a trouble free region?
 
Looks like an ignorant woman with a few valid points. Shimla accords indicate Kashmir will be treated as a bilateral issue. Both countries are signatories to it. Yes it was a smart checkmate by India to Pakistan but still an agreement should be upheld.

She also misses major points. She's right in saying Pak was not an aggressor. However, she's wrong in considering Jaish as civilian population. She under values Phulwama and considers India encroaching Pak space as an invalid aggression. I think this article was written by someone with half baked facts, without research and for a few dollars. I hear she got canned for corruption so, there it is.
 
Looks like an ignorant woman with a few valid points. Shimla accords indicate Kashmir will be treated as a bilateral issue. Both countries are signatories to it. Yes it was a smart checkmate by India to Pakistan but still an agreement should be upheld.

She also misses major points. She's right in saying Pak was not an aggressor. However, she's wrong in considering Jaish as civilian population. She under values Phulwama and considers India encroaching Pak space as an invalid aggression. I think this article was written by someone with half baked facts, without research and for a few dollars. I hear she got canned for corruption so, there it is.

Maybe she is saying something you dont like?

Maybe the corruption - atleast in mental terms - lies in India?
 
Yep - Character Assassination 101.

Just read what she wrote, is there any depth in her analysis? I find a lot of blanket statements without any background analysis.

"For too long, Pakistan’s actions have been unreasonably characterized as aggressive."

"Indian military jets breached the line of control and launched an attack on civilian targets in Pakistan" (I thought India said it attacked a terrorist camp).

"The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights criticized India for using excessive force in 2017" (the UN High Commission is well qualified to speak on human rights, given that it is dominated by Mideast and other dictatorships. Or is that character assassination too?)

"India refers to 40 years of terrorist attacks against India by Pakistan without equal mention of terror attacks perpetrated by India on Pakistani soil" (this sort of equivalence between Pakistan and India is stupid, anyone with any deep knowledge understands that this war between India and Pakistan is kept alive by the Pakistan Army/ISI to maintain its domestic dominance in Pakistan. The biggest losers are Pakistani civilians whose country is floundering economically and politically).

In short this is the sort of OP which I would expect a graduate student who was handed a lot of Pakistani talking points to write. Apparently, since getting fired as the Premier due to corruption she has indeed re-invented herself as a graduate student!
 
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Maybe she is saying something you dont like?

Maybe the corruption - atleast in mental terms - lies in India?

Corruption is more criminal in the west G!! They get paid well here compared to third world and only crooks corrupt here. The mental or moral corruption? Yeah there's plenty in the subcontinent with politics in play.

As far as facts go, Kashmir is a bilateral issue and she's talking about UN mediation. Even Pak knows Jaish and other terrorist outfits are cockroaches that will destroy Pak and India. We've been seeing strict measures by Imran so far. Considering them innocent civilian population is ignorance. She's questioning India's claims of Pak supporting Jaish. Musharraf and co. have openly confessed in the last few days. She's a tad out of touch with reality I'd say. For a fistful of dollars, people like that will write an article that's pro India next month. Just read for fun and ignore.
 
Just read what she wrote, is there any depth in her analysis? I find a lot of blanket statements without any background analysis.

"For too long, Pakistan’s actions have been unreasonably characterized as aggressive."

"Indian military jets breached the line of control and launched an attack on civilian targets in Pakistan" (I thought India said it attacked a terrorist camp).

"The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights criticized India for using excessive force in 2017" (the UN High Commission is well qualified to speak on human rights, given that it is dominated by Mideast and other dictatorships. Or is that character assassination too?)

"India refers to 40 years of terrorist attacks against India by Pakistan without equal mention of terror attacks perpetrated by India on Pakistani soil" (this sort of equivalence between Pakistan and India is stupid, anyone with any deep knowledge understands that this war between India and Pakistan is kept alive by the Pakistan Army/ISI to maintain its domestic dominance in Pakistan. The biggest losers are Pakistani civilians whose country is floundering economically and politically).

In short this is the sort of OP which I would expect a graduate student who was handed a lot of Pakistani talking points to write. Apparently, since getting fired as the Premier due to corruption she has indeed re-invented herself as a graduate student!

How can india be so sure that there would be no civilian causalities? Even the usa with all their advanced drones killed many civilians.

What was kulbashan doing in Pakistan?

What I dont understand is, why Indians get touched up when they are provided with viewpoints that differentiate from the ones they are led to believe. The whole world knows kashmiris are being oppressed in india yet, you people blame Pakistan for everything that goes wrong in India. Maybe you should look internally to see what the route cause of all this is.
 
She had allegations only. And only due to allegations, she resigned. She was not a bad premier compared to the current one we have now. I remember province was in surplus at that time.

No politician resigns due to allegations unless they know that further investigations will prove the allegations to be true.

The sort of things she was accused of were really pathetic. She just wanted to grab luxuries, ethics be damned. I want a nice plane, I want a nice apartment... pathetic!
 
Just read what she wrote, is there any depth in her analysis? I find a lot of blanket statements without any background analysis.

"For too long, Pakistan’s actions have been unreasonably characterized as aggressive."

"Indian military jets breached the line of control and launched an attack on civilian targets in Pakistan" (I thought India said it attacked a terrorist camp).

"The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights criticized India for using excessive force in 2017" (the UN High Commission is well qualified to speak on human rights, given that it is dominated by Mideast and other dictatorships. Or is that character assassination too?)

"India refers to 40 years of terrorist attacks against India by Pakistan without equal mention of terror attacks perpetrated by India on Pakistani soil" (this sort of equivalence between Pakistan and India is stupid, anyone with any deep knowledge understands that this war between India and Pakistan is kept alive by the Pakistan Army/ISI to maintain its domestic dominance in Pakistan. The biggest losers are Pakistani civilians whose country is floundering economically and politically).

In short this is the sort of OP which I would expect a graduate student who was handed a lot of Pakistani talking points to write. Apparently, since getting fired as the Premier due to corruption she has indeed re-invented herself as a graduate student!

Highlighted part is a perfect example of Blanket statement and talking point from any Indian who wants to repeat same narrative to fool their own people, kind of like watching a low budget Indian media.

Anyone with little knowledge of Pakistan and what has been done in last 15-20 years in Pakistan would understand this simple fact that Pakistan has let go Kashmir struggle, only maintain support in terms of narrative.

Pakstani people are fool unlike Indian who had elected radicalized extremists hindu, Pakistan has elected a leader who wants bring peace to the region with the help of Pakistani Army.

Propaganda at its best
 
How can india be so sure that there would be no civilian causalities? Even the usa with all their advanced drones killed many civilians.

I didn't say that there were no civilian casualties, in every war there is collateral damage. I said that it was an attack on a terrorist camp, and not an attack on civilians like she paints it to be.

What was kulbashan doing in Pakistan?

To the best of my knowledge he was spying. Was he supporting terrorists who were bombing people? Maybe. Not something I support. However there is still a false equivalence between India and Pakistan. If you are Pakistani, look around you. What is happening in your own country? People accuse NS of corruption, but which entity is engaging in the biggest legalized looting while the country goes down the drain?

What I dont understand is, why Indians get touched up when they are provided with viewpoints that differentiate from the ones they are led to believe. The whole world knows kashmiris are being oppressed in india yet, you people blame Pakistan for everything that goes wrong in India. Maybe you should look internally to see what the route cause of all this is.

Responding to a post is just that, not getting "touched up". Figure out the root cause yourself and solve it, your country will take off like a rocket economically. There is a reason why parts of India (Delhi, Punjab, Haryana, Himachal and Gujarat) which are similar to Pakistan ethnically have per capita GDP's three time that of Pakistan. What does India have that Pakistan doesn't? It has governments elected by the people rather than selected by the military. If you don't agree, do you have another explanation why Pakistan's per cap GDP is one-third of what it should be?
 
I didn't say that there were no civilian casualties, in every war there is collateral damage. I said that it was an attack on a terrorist camp, and not an attack on civilians like she paints it to be.



To the best of my knowledge he was spying. Was he supporting terrorists who were bombing people? Maybe. Not something I support. However there is still a false equivalence between India and Pakistan. If you are Pakistani, look around you. What is happening in your own country? People accuse NS of corruption, but which entity is engaging in the biggest legalized looting while the country goes down the drain?



Responding to a post is just that, not getting "touched up". Figure out the root cause yourself and solve it, your country will take off like a rocket economically. There is a reason why parts of India (Delhi, Punjab, Haryana, Himachal and Gujarat) which are similar to Pakistan ethnically have per capita GDP's three time that of Pakistan. What does India have that Pakistan doesn't? It has governments elected by the people rather than selected by the military. If you don't agree, do you have another explanation why Pakistan's per cap GDP is one-third of what it should be?

Ignoring the context, history and reason behind what ruined Pakistani economy while keep repeating what you have heard on cheap Indian media or all India gathering makes you look not so smart.

Stop embarrassing yourself.
 
Napa bhai trying his best to discredit a Canadian politician just how his fellow countrymen discredited former US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel for admitting India funds terrorism in Balochistan.
 
<b>Napa bhai trying his best to discredit a Canadian politician</b> just how his fellow countrymen discredited former US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel for admitting India funds terrorism in Balochistan.

Given her past record, discrediting her is as easy as shooting fish in a barrel :))
 
The world is beginning to listen to the Pak side now as well thanks to our PM reminding the world how many of our soldiers have died in the so called WOT. The whole world can see what is happening in IoK with school kids stoning the Indian militarily for starters. The ISI is not that wealthy that is can financially back the entire valley as India would like us to believe. Even pro Indian politicians like Omar Abdullah are saying it's a home grown movement. I also noticed he referred to Jinnah saheb as "Quaid-e-Azam" in a recent speech. When India beats up and humiliates Kashmiris those vengeful people turn themselves in to human bombs.
 
Given her past record, discrediting her is as easy as shooting fish in a barrel :))

Great for you. Sounds like discrediting anyone who highlights what India is doing wrong is a national duty for all citizens. Lagay raho
 
No politician resigns due to allegations unless they know that further investigations will prove the allegations to be true.

The sort of things she was accused of were really pathetic. She just wanted to grab luxuries, ethics be damned. I want a nice plane, I want a nice apartment... pathetic!

Still has billion times more ethics and integrity than any indian politician out there. If she is resigning because of allegations, that says it all.
 
<b>Still has billion times more ethics and integrity than any indian politician out there.</b> If she is resigning because of allegations, that says it all.

Impressive hyperbole.

She resigned not because of any illusory ethics, she resigned because she knew she would have been otherwise forced out by her party.
 
Still has billion times more ethics and integrity than any indian politician out there. If she is resigning because of allegations, that says it all.

The Nawazs and Lalus are eventually kicked out. They don't have the concept of resignation in that part of the world. In Western world, somebody resigning over allegations means they have been kicked out.
 
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