This T20I performance against Australia should not be underestimated

[Savak]

They have gun players like Finch, Lynn, Maxwell, Couternille, Marsh etc. Each player is a brutal match winner who can blow away any opposition on any given date.

The Pakistani T20 side in comparison did not have the same kind of single handed match winning talent but they just did not let Australia get off at any stage in the series.

The Aussies seriously need to do some serious introspection. Yes these were alien conditions but the likes of Finch and Maxwell have played in the UAE before and the team had enough chance to acclimatize and get back in the series.

I wonder if Justin Langer is the right guy to be coaching them.

 

[gazza619]

Good thread. I was actually thinking the same thing. Australia had some really gun players.

 

[freak_virat]

I guess , this thread should be more like we should not over estimate pak t-20 victory because this trash aus balling still manage to stop them at 150s besides they have good run rate in the starting. If Warner is playing who knows the result. Anyway Pakistani bawling is good in these matches and save Pakistan from humiliation bcz 150 is chasable if any decent side will play against them.

 

[Syed1]

I guess , this thread should be more like we should not over estimate pak t-20 victory because this trash aus balling still manage to stop them at 150s besides they have good run rate in the starting. If Warner is playing who knows the result. Anyway Pakistani bawling is good in these matches and save Pakistan from humiliation bcz 150 is chasable if any decent side will play against them.

Apart from the first few overs in the 2nd innings of this match, at no point in the 3 match series did Aus's run rate rise above Pakistan's at the same point in their innings.

 

[Savak]

I guess , this thread should be more like we should not over estimate pak t-20 victory because this trash aus balling still manage to stop them at 150s besides they have good run rate in the starting. If Warner is playing who knows the result. Anyway Pakistani bawling is good in these matches and save Pakistan from humiliation bcz 150 is chasable if any decent side will play against them.

140-160 is a decent score on these slow grinding UAE wickets as the gun Australian T20 line up found out

 

[Suleiman]

Was gonna say this too.

People are very quick to put us down when we were getting smashed by New Zealand B and similar Aussie side around 2014-2015, but then have trouble praising the team when we beat one of the same touring sides, blaming conditions and whatnot (beat NZ in NZ in t20s very recently too iirc).

The criticism for those losses was justified, but now that we're doing markedly better in LOIs than the Dark Ages we were going through, the narrative shouldn't change.

Ofc no reason to go over the top, but you have to celebrate the small wins. What else are we gonna celebrate, the millionth series win we get vs Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka?

 

[Syed1]

People like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] are having a hard time in digesting Pakistan's performance in this series. The following is the playing XI of Australia in the final against NZ in the T20 tri-series where the Aussies smashed both Eng and NZ. Since you have a hard time seeing facts I have highlighted the players that did not participate against Pak. I'm sure even people like you can see that the team that played Pak wasn't Australia Z.

 

[Cric1234]

Finch and Maxwell are both big hitters in UAE on slower wickets against spinners it isn't easy to hit big sixes the game plan and approach was wrong they were stifled overseas they will do better on faster wickets.

 

[freak_virat]

Apart from the first few overs in the 2nd innings of this match, at no point in the 3 match series did Aus's run rate rise above Pakistan's at the same point in their innings.

I am not saying about Australian run rate , I mentioned about pak run rate. In yesterday match first time I saw pak is 54-0 in 6 over and at the end they still manage 151and the trend remain same in all three matches.

 

[nam]

Was about to say the same. Boys really killed it.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Good thread it was a first choice Aussie team bar Warner.

All 3 matches were 1 sided. One of our most dominating performance.

 

[Savak]

I guess , this thread should be more like we should not over estimate pak t-20 victory because this trash aus balling still manage to stop them at 150s besides they have good run rate in the starting. If Warner is playing who knows the result. Anyway Pakistani bawling is good in these matches and save Pakistan from humiliation bcz 150 is chasable if any decent side will play against them.

Let's not get too far ahead. The team has a huge mental and inferiority complex against Kohli and India. Never plays to its potential against the Indians but looks far more relaxed and at ease against other teams barring India.

More frequent Indo Pakistan matches can help us deal with this problem as opposed to the once in a blue moon Indo Pak matches in ICC tournaments

 

[Savak]

I guess , this thread should be more like we should not over estimate pak t-20 victory because this trash aus balling still manage to stop them at 150s besides they have good run rate in the starting. If Warner is playing who knows the result. Anyway Pakistani bawling is good in these matches and save Pakistan from humiliation bcz 150 is chasable if any decent side will play against them.

Warner also does not have an exemplary record to speak of in the UAE so his inclusion would not necessarily have made an earth shattering difference

 

[Ozeirk]

They have gun players like Finch, Lynn, Maxwell, Couternille, Marsh etc. Each player is a brutal match winner who can blow away any opposition on any given date.

The Pakistani T20 side in comparison did not have the same kind of single handed match winning talent but they just did not let Australia get off at any stage in the series.

The Aussies seriously need to do some serious introspection. Yes these were alien conditions but the likes of Finch and Maxwell have played in the UAE before and the team had enough chance to acclimatize and get back in the series.

I wonder if Justin Langer is the right guy to be coaching them.

I agree with the comment till the first paragraph but to say that Pakistan doesnt have any match winners shows the inferiorority complex our fans have.

Despite presence of players like Fakhar Zaman, Babar Azam, Shadab Khan, Sohail Malik and Hassan Ali we still think we don’t have any serious match winners in our team. How has pakistan been able to win the last 10 test series if players haven’t been winning matches for Pakistan. Also, you seem to be forgetting that this is not the first time we have beaten Australia in a t20 series this year.

 

[aloo paratha]

Usual culprits missing from this thread.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Warner also does not have an exemplary record to speak of in the UAE so his inclusion would not necessarily have made an earth shattering difference

Averages 55.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Australia actually has lost 5 T20I's in a row against Pak, and this is the same Aussie side, which thrashed both England and NZ, bar David Warner. So Pak is certainly the best T20 side.

 

[giri26]

Pakistan't T20 credentials were never in question but the only thing to keep in mind is T20 success does not translate into ODI success. World Cup is few months away and Pakistan's ODI problems still exist.

 

[Mamoon]

Maybe not, but I am struggling to overcome the Asia Cup humiliation and the 5-0 in New Zealand.

Those reality checks hold far more significance than these T20 series wins, and we all know that if we face India in a T20 series right now, they will destroy us with or without Kohli.

Similarly, England will also beat us. That 1-0 in 2016 was a one-off game, they have too much batting firepower not to overcome us over the course of a series.

Hence, all this talk of Pakistan being the best T20 side belongs in the garbage.

The only way this team can make up for the Asia Cup humiliation is to win the ODI series in South Africa. Their ODI team is nothing special at the moment, and India smashed them earlier this year.

If we lose that series, I hope Sarfraz bakhts will come up with better excuses than the ones they came up with for the New Zealand series and the Asia Cup.

 

[Manager101]

Maybe not, but I am struggling to overcome the Asia Cup humiliation and the 5-0 in New Zealand.

Those reality checks hold far more significance than these T20 series wins, and we all know that if we face India in a T20 series right now, they will destroy us with or without Kohli.

Similarly, England will also beat us. That 1-0 in 2016 was a one-off game, they have too much batting firepower not to overcome us over the course of a series.

Hence, all this talk of Pakistan being the best T20 side belongs in the garbage.

The only way this team can make up for the Asia Cup humiliation is to win the ODI series in South Africa. Their ODI team is nothing special at the moment, and India smashed them earlier this year.

If we lose that series, I hope Sarfraz bakhts will come up with better excuses than the ones they came up with for the New Zealand series and the Asia Cup.

Its the 10th consecutive T20 series win for Pakistan, alteast try to appreciate the good memories one is recieving bro.

 

[Mamoon]

Its the 10th consecutive T20 series win for Pakistan, alteast try to appreciate the good memories one is recieving bro.

I am not interested in artificial success. The true worth of this team was on display in the Asia Cup and New Zealand series, our two toughest assignments in the last 12 months.

These “10 consecutive” series wins includes the joke World XI tour as well. I mean how desperate can one get?

Not to mention over 70% of the matches are against weak teams. Give this team a series against India (the real number one T20 team) and they will turn into the bunnies that they are.

I will be the first one to appreciate if they win the ODI series in South Africa. That will show progress, but I do not see it happening.

 

[QalandarFan]

People like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] having a hard time in digesting Pakistan's performance in this series. The following is the playing XI of Australia in the final against NZ in the T20 tri-series where the Aussies smashed both Eng and NZ. Since you have a hard time seeing facts I have highlighted the players that did not participate against Pak. I'm sure even people like you can see that the team that played Pak wasn't Australia Z.


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Thank you for posting this makes no sense to me when posters are calling this Australia Z team, apparently David Warner "fills the spot of 3/4 guys on his own" though. ) That comment made me laugh. For a guy who averages 26 in T20I cricket, and has below average stats in Asia he was suppose to kill our bowling attack and single-handedly chase down these totals. ) Hilarious logic coming from these "experts". )

 

[QalandarFan]

I am not interested in artificial success. The true worth of this team was on display in the Asia Cup and New Zealand series, our two toughest assignments in the last 12 months.

These “10 consecutive” series wins includes the joke World XI tour as well. I mean how desperate can one get?

Not to mention over 70% of the matches are against weak teams. Give this team a series against India (the real number one T20 team) and they will turn into the bunnies that they are.

I will be the first one to appreciate if they win the ODI series in South Africa. That will show progress, but I do not see it happening.

) This one made my day!!! ) Can't stop laughing! ) Hold up did I read the name of the poster right there is no way I read that name right!! )

 

[Mamoon]

) This one made my day!!! ) Can't stop laughing! ) Hold up did I read the name of the poster right there is no way I read that name right!! )

You can roll on the floor as many times as you want, but the truth is that I do not seek glory in Pakistan losing.

I call it as I see it, and more often than not I am eventually vindicated because you can hide mediocrity only for so long.

I am calling it now - Pakistan is going to get a massive reality check in T20s, and all this drama of being the number one T20 team in the world will blow into a million pieces, much like how the “we have improved in ODIs” narrative went bust.

You don’t have to believe it now, but it will happen. We are better in T20s than we are in the other formats, but we are by no means the best. Not even close, and the number one ranking greatly flatters us.

If Pakistan genuinely becomes a world class team, I will acknowledge it, but please don’t force me to acknowledge myths.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

This Aussie team is a joke.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I guess , this thread should be more like we should not over estimate pak t-20 victory because this trash aus balling still manage to stop them at 150s besides they have good run rate in the starting. If Warner is playing who knows the result. Anyway Pakistani bawling is good in these matches and save Pakistan from humiliation bcz 150 is chasable if any decent side will play against them.

Warner is nowhere close to Finch as a T20I batsman. He also does not have a great record in the UAE so far, so I really doubt he would have done much besides throw his wicket away to low-percentage stroke.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Eh, Australia is having a terrible time in all formats. Pak should focus on playing and winning more ODIs against top teams, WC is coming within 8 months. These useless T20Is are waste of time, it won't develop any skill for anybody.

 

[ARK Rafay]

We're definitely in the top 3 teams in T20s right now.

 

[Gullycricket]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Media/people: questioning the team’s leadership, selection, combination, rotation policy, fitness etc etc<br><br>Team:<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Lost<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Lost<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br><br>I’m very proud of the whole team, every single member<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakvsAus?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakvsAus</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakistanZindabad?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakistanZindabad</a> &#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816;</p>— Shoaib Malik &#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816; (@realshoaibmalik) <a href="https://twitter.com/realshoaibmalik/status/1056648311422111744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Manager101]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Media/people: questioning the team’s leadership, selection, combination, rotation policy, fitness etc etc<br><br>Team:<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Lost<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Lost<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br><br>I’m very proud of the whole team, every single member<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakvsAus?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakvsAus</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakistanZindabad?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakistanZindabad</a> &#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816;</p>— Shoaib Malik &#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816; (@realshoaibmalik) <a href="https://twitter.com/realshoaibmalik/status/1056648311422111744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Nailed it.

 

[Hawkeye]

We're ranked number 1 in T20s.

And are expected to beat Aussie B side on slow, low tracks that do not offer anything to batsmen. A spinners paradise. Warner missing is similar to Kohli missing, but that's not the point.

Point is, winning this does not mean we're a great team overall. Have become very poor in Tests and ODIs.

It's about not glorifying these t20s. They do not tell anything about quality.

Else West Indies would be considered a great force in the cricketing world today.

 

[Hawkeye]

For T20s, the only real meaningful thing is the T20 world cup.

Apart from that, it's harmless temporary entertainment. And teams do not judge their quality on this form of cricket.

 

[MMHS]

AUS was (I think still is), No. 2 ranked team in T20, so they must be good at this. Beating them 3-0 (actually never looked to win a single game any time batting may be till 1st half of 1st game), is quite commanding.

I have seen some of the Aussie players on their roads and they are brutal hitters, but proved to be not that skilled even for T20s to adjust their game on a little tricky wicket. They scored like 250+ twice in SRL and here failed to chase 150 three times. D’Short was an IPL flop against spin while their T20 attack is gun barrel straight. Warner may be, but don’t think Smith would have been a telling factor here. NZ will give better fight for sure in such conditions.

Ausdies have become the weakest white team in Asia in every format. I was actually expecting them to win T20 series, but, I guess, if that ODI series was played now, I can see them loosing 4-1 against PAK, who are also poor in UAE ODI. More than winnning T20 3-0, PAK should rue, how they allowed this team to get away with a draw in a Test. Aussies probably will take that draw in exchange of a 3-0 T20 win.

Having said that, this same Aussie team will smash 220+ for fun often on their concrete slabs & probably be my favourite to win 2020 WC.

 

[DRsohail]

Hahha some posters are having hard times. Any international win is a win wether you like it or not.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I guess , this thread should be more like we should not over estimate pak t-20 victory because this trash aus balling still manage to stop them at 150s besides they have good run rate in the starting. If Warner is playing who knows the result. Anyway Pakistani bawling is good in these matches and save Pakistan from humiliation bcz 150 is chasable if any decent side will play against them.

This argument is getting pathetic at this point. Any team that Pakistan beats is somehow trash or weak. Well, we have beaten everyone we have played in the last two years and comfortably been the best team in this format so this argument no longer holds any weight. Also, one player can't change anything, Pakistan would have rolled over Australia even if Warner was playing.

 

[Xoib]

I am the first to call out Mamoon here but I am with him on this one. The Asia cup humilationhas left a big question mark on this side capability as well as mental make up. In the last 5-7 years barring CT 17 I have yet to see Pakistan raising their game in high profile tourney. *** we were easily cast aside by Tamim and Shakib-less BD in the knock out game after having them 14-3.

This side needs to show more in big situations otherwise CT will look like a fluke week in a sea of mediocrity.

 

[Xoib]

For T20s, the only real meaningful thing is the T20 world cup.

Apart from that, it's harmless temporary entertainment. And teams do not judge their quality on this form of cricket.

agreed bilateral in T-20 are even more low intensity then odi's the same Aus line up will be a different challenge if we encounter them in a high octane knock out clash.

 

[Mamoon]

You keep lumping our odi and T20 performances together. We are ranked number 5 in Odis for a reason. We haven’t won a bilateral odi series against Aus, SA, Eng, NZ, and India since 2012 when we beat both India and NZ. Apart from the champions trophy win, we have simply sucked in ODIs for the last 7-8 years.

However, this is a decent T20 team, especially the bowling. I will be the first to admit that they still need an explosive opener and a good middle order batsman. However, they have beaten Aus twice now in a series (tri nation 2-1 and UAE series) and may end up beating NZ twice too. We are not playing a T20 series against England for the foreseeable future. Same is the case with India. So, there is no way this debate can be settled. You can hold to your point of view the Pak is the 3rd best T20 side in the world and others on this forum believe otherwise.

Please distinguish between T20 and ODIs when making your point.

The T20 team is certainly better than the ODI one, but it is nowhere near as good as the rankings suggest.

In my view, just like ODIs, the top two T20 teams are India and England, and then there is a big gap.

Yes we beat England in 2016, but that was just one match. We also beat them in the first ODI of the 2015 series before they thrashed us in the next four games.

Over a three match series, I full expect England to outclass us comfortably regardless of the conditions - we cannot cope with their batting depth unless they have an off-day, which they did in 2016.

Similarly, India will smash us and the likes of Imads and Shadabs will be reduced to bunnies. A T20 series vs India would be a repeat of the Asia Cup, and in UAE conditions, Bangladesh can also beat us and Afghanistan will probably take us to the last over.

The difference between us in ODIs and T20s is that unlike in ODIs, we can beat the likes of Australia and New Zealand etc. more frequently in T20s due to multiple reasons.

Our batting failures are covered and Sarfraz’s mediocre captaincy is not exposed because T20 is a less tactical format than ODIs.

However, we have little claim over the the number one ranking when we have only played 1 match against England and 0 against India over the last 2 years.

 

[Sher Khan]

I am not interested in artificial success. The true worth of this team was on display in the Asia Cup and New Zealand series, our two toughest assignments in the last 12 months.

These “10 consecutive” series wins includes the joke World XI tour as well. I mean how desperate can one get?

Not to mention over 70% of the matches are against weak teams. Give this team a series against India (the real number one T20 team) and they will turn into the bunnies that they are.

I will be the first one to appreciate if they win the ODI series in South Africa. That will show progress, but I do not see it happening.

Mamoon Bhai, I respect your opinion. But definetly, Pakistan team has improved since Arthur took over. I agree, we are not able to beat the top teams in their home. But even India were unable to beat the Aussies in Australia. England loses in Aus, Aus loses in England. It’s simple. Most teams are shers at home, and geedar outside.

Now for the SA series, I see nothing special in their current team. ABD and an in form QDK carried that side. Pakistan should beat them in the odi series.

 

[Mamoon]

Mamoon Bhai, I respect your opinion. But definetly, Pakistan team has improved since Arthur took over. I agree, we are not able to beat the top teams in their home. But even India were unable to beat the Aussies in Australia. England loses in Aus, Aus loses in England. It’s simple. Most teams are shers at home, and geedar outside.

Now for the SA series, I see nothing special in their current team. ABD and an in form QDK carried that side. Pakistan should beat them in the odi series.

A few things have changed under Mickey, but overall I see little progress. The emergence of Fakhar has given us an aggressive option at the top, and in Babar we have found a prolific number three - a position that has given us plenty of headaches for years.

However, our middle/lower-order is terrible. Our batting pretty much ends with Malik because Asif is a dud and the likes of Faheem and Shadab are glorified tailenders. Watching them trot to the crease with 20-25 overs to go is ridiculous.

People talk about India not having a strong middle/lower-order, but at least they haven’t forced tail-enders into those roles.

They are batting two positions high and I don’t think we can carry them together in ODIs. Our Captain Fantastic does not need any introduction either - he doesn’t seem to have any interest in performing as batsman in Limited Overs and has managed to hide himself in between all the batsmen, all-rounders and bowlers.

In my opinion, we have the weakest middle/lower-order in the world. Furthermore, our quality of spin bowling in ODIs has greatly regressed as well. We don’t have a single world class spinner.

The quality of fast bowling is more or less the same now that Hasan’s purple patch is over, although Shaheen looks an interesting prospect.

Overall, considering the net effect, I don’t see any progress under Arthur. Few things have improved but at the same time, we have gone backwards on other fronts.

I agree that we should be beating South Africa in ODIs, but if we don’t, I am sure Sarfraz supporters will have their excuses lined up.

If they can defend a 100% losing record against quality teams over the last 12 months, I am sure they will have the capability of defending a few more losses - maybe even take pride in improving the losing percentage from 100% to 90%.

 

[Sher Khan]

A few things have changed under Mickey, but overall I see little progress. The emergence of Fakhar has given us an aggressive option at the top, and in Babar we have found a prolific number three - a position that has given us plenty of headaches for years.

However, our middle/lower-order is terrible. Our batting pretty much ends with Malik because Asif is a dud and the likes of Faheem and Shadab are glorified tailenders. Watching them trot to the crease with 20-25 overs to go is ridiculous.

People talk about India not having a strong middle/lower-order, but at least they haven’t forced tail-enders into those roles.

They are batting two positions high and I don’t think we can carry them together in ODIs. Our Captain Fantastic does not need any introduction either - he doesn’t seem to have any interest in performing as batsman in Limited Overs and has managed to hide himself in between all the batsmen, all-rounders and bowlers.

In my opinion, we have the weakest middle/lower-order in the world. Furthermore, our quality of spin bowling in ODIs has greatly regressed as well. We don’t have a single world class spinner.

The quality of fast bowling is more or less the same now that Hasan’s purple patch is over, although Shaheen looks an interesting prospect.

Overall, considering the net effect, I don’t see any progress under Arthur. Few things have improved but at the same time, we have gone backwards on other fronts.

I agree that we should be beating South Africa in ODIs, but if we don’t, I am sure Sarfraz supporters will have their excuses lined up.

If they can defend a 100% losing record against quality teams over the last 12 months, I am sure they will have the capability of defending a few more losses - maybe even take pride in improving the losing percentage from 100% to 90%.

If you take my honest opinion. Then I never think Pakistan will be world beaters in cricket. If you have a look at the talent pool, their are hardly any decent batsman coming up. Furthermore, I also do not see any young world class spinners in the domestic scene. We have a couple of raw fast bowlers who seem impressive in video clips. But that is not enough for a team to excel in international cricket.

The next thing is, Arthur won’t be around forever. I still think it will take a couple more years for international cricket to move back to Pakistan. The PCB will struggle to find a foreign coach willing to stay in Pakistan And train the team. We will be back to the Waqar Younises.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Good win. But then again Pakistan are the best bilateral T20 side historically. So you are expected to thrash teams especially in your own backyard. But 10 consecutive wins is mighty impressive nonetheless.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

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Richardson has a bowling average of 33 with economy close to 9 while Stoinis has an average of 14 with the bat. Both were most probably dropped for better players.

Who in their right mind can call this an Aus B team?

Also so much hoopla of not playing your first choice X1 against low ranked teams and in bi-laterals especially coming from some Indians (and their cheerleaders) who themselves are playing a first choice X1 against WI (who just played World cup qualifiers a while back).

 

[Syed1]

Richardson has a bowling average of 33 with economy close to 9 while Stoinis has an average of 14 with the bat. Both were most probably dropped for better players.

Who in their right mind can call this an Aus B team?

Also so much hoopla of not playing your first choice X1 against low ranked teams and in bi-laterals especially coming from some Indians (and their cheerleaders) who themselves are playing a first choice X1 against WI (who just played World cup qualifiers a while back).

Bhai don't you know?

Different sets of rules to judge Pakistan and other teams by.



Agenda driven people will always find a reason to put down the side, and then they call themselves 'fans' of the side.

 

[Syed1]

Richardson has a bowling average of 33 with economy close to 9 while Stoinis has an average of 14 with the bat. Both were most probably dropped for better players.

Who in their right mind can call this an Aus B team?

Also so much hoopla of not playing your first choice X1 against low ranked teams and in bi-laterals especially coming from some Indians (and their cheerleaders) who themselves are playing a first choice X1 against WI (who just played World cup qualifiers a while back).

What's even funnier that both [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] ignored that post of mine even though I tagged them because it didn't fit in with their agendas. Amazing 'fans'

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

then they call themselves 'fans' of the side.

Thats my biggest issue. If you are a fan atleast appreciate what is good but you will find absurd logic from them to downplay their own side and glorifying India. Hawkye was lecturing us the other day how we arent seeing the bigger picture and how he is a fan of Pakistan cricket but he is once again downplaying Pakistani side and calling this an Aus B team without any logic. And this is not the first time he has done that.

I bet you 1 loss against NZ and you will see the same suspects calling how Pakistan cricket is in shambles. Phir t20 cricket matter krnay lagay gi.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

I guess , this thread should be more like we should not over estimate pak t-20 victory because this trash aus balling still manage to stop them at 150s besides they have good run rate in the starting. If Warner is playing who knows the result. Anyway Pakistani bawling is good in these matches and save Pakistan from humiliation bcz 150 is chasable if any decent side will play against them.

Pakistan didnt play Fakhar and Shaheen in 3rd match, Malik wasnt a part of Pak team in first match, Imad and Babar didnt play the last t20 tri series but still we thrashed them. In t20s there is no first choice X1 rather a pool of 15-18 players. Credit where credit is due.

Though i agree with you that we were 20-25 runs short in every match for my liking. We have better batting potential then scoring 150s.

 

[Hawkeye]

Thats my biggest issue. If you are a fan atleast appreciate what is good but you will find absurd logic from them to downplay their own side and glorifying India. Hawkye was lecturing us the other day how we arent seeing the bigger picture and how he is a fan of Pakistan cricket but he is once again downplaying Pakistani side and calling this an Aus B team without any logic. And this is not the first time he has done that.

I bet you 1 loss against NZ and you will see the same suspects calling how Pakistan cricket is in shambles. Phir t20 cricket matter krnay lagay gi.

Lol.

We should enjoy this run because it won't last for long. Babar Azam is ranked no.1 in T20s but everyone knows Folks like Warner, Finch, Kohli are better and better strikers as well.

Similarly, this team will struggle to win a long enough series on good batting pitches. If it was the world cup, we would have faced other sides at their full strength and their batting do not have as many accumulators as we do.

Losing to any top side should not be a surprise. But outside world T20, these bilaterals don't hold much value and don't tell who is quality.

We are horrible in ODIs and Tests, cannot glorify and chest thump based on T20s.

Minnows and west Indies do that.

 

[Savak]

Lol.

We should enjoy this run because it won't last for long. Babar Azam is ranked no.1 in T20s but everyone knows Folks like Warner, Finch, Kohli are better and better strikers as well.

Similarly, this team will struggle to win a long enough series on good batting pitches. If it was the world cup, we would have faced other sides at their full strength and their batting do not have as many accumulators as we do.

Losing to any top side should not be a surprise. But outside world T20, these bilaterals don't hold much value and don't tell who is quality.

We are horrible in ODIs and Tests, cannot glorify and chest thump based on T20s.

Minnows and west Indies do that.

What stopped Finch, Lynn, Maxwell and co from showing whose boss in the UAE?

 

[Hawkeye]

What stopped Finch, Lynn, Maxwell and co from showing whose boss in the UAE?

Lots of factors.

Discussed quite a bit.

Regardless, we should accept that T20s are a gamble, anyone can win on their day with one player clicking.

And should stop chest thumping, wild celebrations (celebrating is fine). As this format, outside of World T20, does not have much importance.

 

[Syed1]

Lots of factors.

Discussed quite a bit.

Regardless, we should accept that T20s are a gamble, anyone can win on their day with one player clicking.

And should stop chest thumping, wild celebrations (celebrating is fine). As this format, outside of World T20, does not have much importance.

If anybody can win then why is that the last 5 T20s between Pakistan and Australia are 5-0 in favour of Pakistan?

 

[Savak]

Lots of factors.

Discussed quite a bit.

Regardless, we should accept that T20s are a gamble, anyone can win on their day with one player clicking.

And should stop chest thumping, wild celebrations (celebrating is fine). As this format, outside of World T20, does not have much importance.

Format has plenty of importance when Pakistan loses.

 

[Darkrai]

Why did England play their strongest squad against SL in a T20I??? They also played their strongest against India and Pak when they toured Eng. I don't understand this!!

 

[Darkrai]

Lots of factors.

Discussed quite a bit.

Regardless, we should accept that T20s are a gamble, anyone can win on their day with one player clicking.

And should stop chest thumping, wild celebrations (celebrating is fine). As this format, outside of World T20, does not have much importance.

Lahore Qalandars disagree. Pakistan also disagrees, they won 10 series in a row.

 

[Convict]

Australia has always been rubbish at T20.

 

[Cricketlover11vns]

Wait for t20 world cup,every team will play their best 11 then
These bilaterals are good for entertainment
But no point in chest thumping over them

 

[Hasan123]

Winning this Australian team 3-0 is a good achivemeant. They have good T20 players. My only worry is that the World T20 is in Australia and will be played on comepltley different pitches. So we need to take that into consideration.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Wait for t20 world cup,every team will play their best 11 then
These bilaterals are good for entertainment
But no point in chest thumping over them

Australia played their best eleven in the recently concluded series.

 

[Savak]

Now this T-20 series against NZ should not be underestimated .