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"This time around, we will strictly penalise anyone caught fixing" : Shahryar Khan [update#194]

"We have proof against a few players and are trying to gather evidence against more"

Everyone, anyone found guilty, do them for life. Don´t spare anyone. Set an example, do not hand out preferential treatments based on talent, potential and supposedly young ages.

I feel dearly sorry for the common, seedha saadha cricket fan, he´s been robbed yet again, but not one bit for the fixers´ apologists amongst them.
 
Mamoon said:
We may not have the produced the most fixers, but we certainly have the highest number of apologists for the fixers, and that too by a landslide.
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Yeah for sure, the country is corrupt from top to bottom and until that changes, we can't expect much better from our cricket team.
 
In 2 d ays so many suspected players at the end of the league there would have been around 80% fixers lmao
 
The level of transparency and the ruthlessness of Shahryar and Sethi has been very impressive. I don't agree that those who are under investigation should not be named. People deserve to know what's going on. Well done.
 
DHONI183 said:
My biggest worry right now is of innocent players´ names being tainted by the media for the sake of ratings. Geo News is mentioning Imad Wasim too, and a number of others I´m afraid. This is an incredibly sensitive issue, and once even randomly a player´s name is suggested, he can all life forget being left to play cricket in peace - can easily imagine people jumping around at the slightest of 'misperformances' (no-balls, bad shots played etc.).

For God´s sake, the media should show some maturity and responsibility in reporting. Again, once you´re mentioned, you´re done, at least in a country like Pakistan where no match goes by without our uncles talking of "Paise ley liye!"

Sharjeel, why man? Dumb, really dumb on your part!
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This is what's happening right now.

It's a circus because of Sethi, SK and media. Every random player's name is being mud slinged in the race for ratings.
 
Sharjeel's father just said that sharjeel has told him that he hasn't done anything wrong.
 
"We have proof against a few players and are trying to gather evidence against more"

My eldest niece plays with me who-blinks-first-loses, and suggests of blinking first deliberately to make me win. "Aeydda tu´n Sharjeel!", I chide her.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imad Wasim has termed as ******** Geo TV's allegations that he is involved in corrupt activities at the PSL <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL2017?src=hash">#PSL2017</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cricket?src=hash">#cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/830358236045930496">February 11, 2017</a></blockquote>
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This is what these pyjama leagues do to some players. They want easy money, party with strangers. IPL, BPL, SLPL and now PSL all of them are corrupt.
 
"We have proof against a few players and are trying to gather evidence against more"

Hawkeye said:
This is what's happening right now.

It's a circus because of Sethi, SK and media. Every random player's name is being mud slinged in the race for ratings.
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I in particular mentioned Imad Wasim because my gut feeling about him has always been of being an honest player who likes to play the game the hard way. Irrelevant it might be, but he was the first guy from amongst the guys mentioned by the media to tweet about his innocence. Feel sorry for him.
 
Been mentioned on this thread earlier but reminder: No speculation about XYZ player's involvement will be tolerated based on one-off media reports.
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imad Wasim has termed as ******** Geo TV's allegations that he is involved in corrupt activities at the PSL <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL2017?src=hash">#PSL2017</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cricket?src=hash">#cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/830358236045930496">February 11, 2017</a></blockquote>
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can he sue them?
 
Imad should go ahead and file a defamation case in court and win it. He should be an example to other players make that TV channel pay for their greediness for ratings and stupidity
 
People only sue when they knowthey are innocent so lets see if he will sue or not
 
Never could understand, why cricketers do fixing.. May be i am wrong but i dont think it is money.. How much money could he earn by fixing ?
He had 70000 pound deal with english county.. Another good psl and he would have been playing all the leagues in the world
Plus being a central contracted player and match fee combined, he was making tons of money..
I think they may do it for the thrill of it, the thrill of doing something illegal and getting away with it.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
This is what these pyjama leagues do to some players. They want easy money, party with strangers. IPL, BPL, SLPL and now PSL all of them are corrupt.
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Very well said, ppl have been saying that PSL is vital for Pak cricket, now we know how vital it really is for us.No matter how PCB deal with the fixers, fixing will continue in PSL.
 
PCB will come down hard on fixers: Shaharyar


With a fixing scandal engulfing the Pakistan Super League (PSL), Pakistan’s cricket chief has vowed to come down hard on the culprits.

Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Shaharyar Khan on Sunday disclosed that a sprawling investigation is underway and once those cricketers involved in match-fixing or spot-fixing are identified, a commission will be formed to slap exemplary punishments on them.

Islamabad United duo of Sharjeel Khan and Khalid Latif were sent home from Dubai by the authorities on Friday after both confessed their links to an international syndicate trying to corrupt the cash-rich PSL.

And Shaharyar said more players could be questioned.

“The investigation will continue as more players could be grilled as some have reported to the PCB anti-corruption unit about bookies contacting them but some haven’t reported which is also a crime,” he told Dawn in an exclusive interview after returning from Dubai.

“I’m not in the position at this time to give exact number of the cricketers involved but once the investigation is completed, a powerful commission will be formed to give exemplary punishments to the culprits.”

Shaharyar fended off the criticism coming PCB’s way with the latest fixing scandal raising questions on the country’s cricket governing body to allow fast bowler Mohammad Amir to return to international cricket following his five-year ban for spot-fixing.

“We followed ICC’s rules and regulations in allowing Amir back but this time around, we will strictly penalize anyone caught,” he vowed.

Shaharyar, however, said that he was in constant contact with PSL chairman Najam Sethi.

“At the moment, Sethi has told me that there’s no further suspension in the offing and the PCB anti-corruption unit is making all out efforts to unveil the culprits,” he said.

The PCB is also under fire for allowing friends and relatives of the five franchises to stay at the hotel where the teams are staying.

“Sethi has held a meeting with the franchises and told them they would be responsible for the outcome of the inquiry,” Shaharyar countered.

“We were expecting the arrival of the bookies in Dubai [for the PSL] and made strict arrangements and before the opening match [between Islamabad United and Peshawar Zalmi], a detailed briefing was given to both teams and officials about corrupt practices and its consequences.”

Before the PSL, Shaharyar attended the ICC meetings where the ‘Big Three’ system was voted down.

The system, introduced in 2014, saw India, Australia and England getting a stranglehold on world cricket and given major share from ICC’s revenues.

“Only India and Sri Lanka asked to defer the discussion over the but the other 10 member countries cast their vote in favour of the discussion so it’s a big success and I must thank [ICC president] Shahanak Manohar for his positive role in this regard,” Shaharyar said.

He said the head of ICC Task Force on Pakistan Giles Clarke had presented a very positive report about the security situation in Pakistan and he also suggested the member countries to visit Lahore for the PSL final on March 5.

“Clarke told the members that if their cricket board presidents can’t visit Lahore, they should at least send their security teams to analyse the situation,” the PCB chief added.

Clarke visited Lahore on Jan 27-28 with the ICC security official to examine the security situation in Pakistan, in an attempt to revive international cricket in Pakistan.

Shaharyar added that a Bangladesh cricket academy team would soon visit Pakistan with a team from Nepal also due to tour.

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Khalid Latif was surrounded by media, Reportedly he has started taking legal assistance. Before leaving in his car he replied to the media guys who surrounded him, “As God is my witness, I have never done anything wrong,”
 
Still don't understand why so many people are calling for life bans.

Amir didn't get one. Neither did Butt or Asif. You have a set precedent for punishment.

For me, those three should have got life bans too. But they all got away with it - Amir especially, somehow managing to portray himself as a victim.

At that time, majority of PP'ers were defensive, looking to protect 'their' players as much as possible.

Whats the difference this time around? Why should any player suffer more than the trio?
 
Zahid87 said:
Still don't understand why so many people are calling for life bans.

Amir didn't get one. Neither did Butt or Asif. You have a set precedent for punishment.

For me, those three should have got life bans too. But they all got away with it - Amir especially, somehow managing to portray himself as a victim.

At that time, majority of PP'ers were defensive, looking to protect 'their' players as much as possible.

Whats the difference this time around? Why should any player suffer more than the trio?
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There are a few types of people on this issue but all drawing parallels with 2010:

1.) Ban both of them for life . . but then they advocated a life ban for Asif, Amir and Butt too . . and that's fine cuz they're consistent with their thoughts

2.) Depending on what they did, hand them similar treatment to what Asif, Amir and Butt got

3.) Then there's a third type which is where I think I lie . . and that is:
I.) I advocated Amir to return much like a lot of others did and the primary reason behind that was:
a.) He was young . .
b.) He accepted his mistake very early in the piece . . before the court hearing in Doha . . and showed remorse . . accepted he made a mistake . . and then did the entire ICC program
II.) I do not want Asif or Butt to ever play cricket for Pakistan again because:
a.) They were NOT young! had been through the rigors of international cricket for a long time
b.) Butt was captain for god's sake!
c.) The worst out of all . . they did not accept that they did it until the very end!! They kept denying it . . went to CAS in Switzerland (for a crime they committed) . . and kept trying to fool the public . . UNTIL!!! THey realized Amir was a on a fast track back and ICC and PCB were both supporting him . . and then they decided to confess their mistake . .
AND hence, I never want them to play for Pakistan again . .

Now the dilemma is! I want Sharjeel and Khalid to get banned for life . . because . .if you can still commit this heinous crime after what these guys went through in 2010 . . and that didnt teach you a lesson, you're corrupt at heart . . you're corrupt through and through! and you don't deserve any sympathy . .

People's argument of setting the right precedent in 2010 would have not caused this to happen! I don't buy that ONE BIT! If you can do this to yourself after those 3 went to jail, spent millions on lawyers, lost their self respected, were ridiculed home and abroad, and were ripped off their bread and butter for the best part of their careers . . then even a life ban on them wouldn't have stopped this! BECAUSE THEY ARE CORRUPT THROUGH AND THROUGH . .
 
Zahid87 said:
Still don't understand why so many people are calling for life bans.

Amir didn't get one. Neither did Butt or Asif. You have a set precedent for punishment.

For me, those three should have got life bans too. But they all got away with it - Amir especially, somehow managing to portray himself as a victim.

At that time, majority of PP'ers were defensive, looking to protect 'their' players as much as possible.

Whats the difference this time around? Why should any player suffer more than the trio?
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What happened in the past can't be undone. It doesnt mean you shouldn't mend your ways in future. Any culprits in future should be banned for life.
 
Madplayer said:
What happened in the past can't be undone. It doesnt mean you shouldn't mend your ways in future. Any culprits in future should be banned for life.
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Well, does that mean what happened in the past was wrong?

Will it be fair if Amir can continue his career, with everything seemingly forgotten, and someone else may have to suffer a life ban for a similar crime?

To me, for a whole host of reasons, ranging from Amir being a 'talented youngster' at the time, and it becoming the ICC and ECB vs the PCB meant that the overwhelming majority of fan support was with Amir.

Over here, the situation is not quite the same, and people are therefore happier to see 'just or maximum punishment' applied on this occasion.

Before it was Amir > Justice.

This time, Integrity / Success of PSL > Everything else.
 
Sad news if a bunch of players are to be found guilty. Clearly the bans handed to previous players has not been a deter ant! You would have hoped PSL would have had such allegations involved.
 
Corruption starts at the top, it's hypocritical to make an example of piddly little cricketers when your leaders get away scott free. I'm not saying you shouldn't punish the cricketers but if you think punishing cricketers will be a deterrent for other cricketers it will not be as long as they see society in general condoning it. They will always give it a try because as a society we accept it!
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
This is what these pyjama leagues do to some players. They want easy money, party with strangers. IPL, BPL, SLPL and now PSL all of them are corrupt.
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Corruption happened in 1996 wc as well, we should ban that too,happened in some billateral test as well lets ban tests too.

The leagues started from 2007 corruption well u already know.
 
JaDed said:
Corruption happened in 1996 wc as well, we should ban that too,happened in some billateral test as well lets ban tests too.

The leagues started from 2007 corruption well u already know.
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1981 Ashes too, it's been going on for a while and seems like it's very hard to stop.
 
Zahid87 said:
Still don't understand why so many people are calling for life bans.

Amir didn't get one. Neither did Butt or Asif. You have a set precedent for punishment.

For me, those three should have got life bans too. But they all got away with it - Amir especially, somehow managing to portray himself as a victim.

At that time, majority of PP'ers were defensive, looking to protect 'their' players as much as possible.

Whats the difference this time around? Why should any player suffer more than the trio?
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Amir is special, he is once in a generation talent... he's extraordinary.. he's the savior of Pakistan cricket
 
Zahid87 said:
Well, does that mean what happened in the past was wrong?

Will it be fair if Amir can continue his career, with everything seemingly forgotten, and someone else may have to suffer a life ban for a similar crime?

To me, for a whole host of reasons, ranging from Amir being a 'talented youngster' at the time, and it becoming the ICC and ECB vs the PCB meant that the overwhelming majority of fan support was with Amir.

Over here, the situation is not quite the same, and people are therefore happier to see 'just or maximum punishment' applied on this occasion.

Before it was Amir > Justice.

This time, Integrity / Success of PSL > Everything else.
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I know all the reasons given for Amir's inclusion look very hypocritical now. Fine, crucify everyone who supported his inclusion but its wrong to say that new precedents cant be set now. There comes a time when you gotta say enough is enough.

If you keep thinking about Amir's case, you will never be able to move forward and bury the hatchet once and for all.

You dont wear a seat belt and get fined $1 as per existing rules. The government feels that this fine isn't enough so it revises the fine to $2. Next day your neighbour is fined $2 for not wearing a seat belt. Doesn't mean its unfair to him.
 
It's unbelievable how people can bring Aamir and Trio here. 5 years is not a lenient punishment, Do consider that two of the trio are unlikely to play international cricket now and one of them is still not getting himself set properly in international zone hence its very tough to make a comeback after such long time.

The trio also served a jail sentence, If that is not enough for someone to pull out of these things then nothing will.
 
If they are found guilty then will face two to three year ban. If failure to report, Then 6months to year max.
 
Madplayer said:
I know all the reasons given for Amir's inclusion look very hypocritical now. Fine, crucify everyone who supported his inclusion but its wrong to say that new precedents cant be set now. There comes a time when you gotta say enough is enough.

If you keep thinking about Amir's case, you will never be able to move forward and bury the hatchet once and for all.

You dont wear a seat belt and get fined $1 as per existing rules. The government feels that this fine isn't enough so it revises the fine to $2. Next day your neighbour is fined $2 for not wearing a seat belt. Doesn't mean its unfair to him.
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Its unfair if you are making up the rules as you go along, to suit your own whims.

Now people are upset, and are protective of PSL so want max punishment. Before people were protective of Amir, and wanted leniency.

You have to apply the rules to fit the crime, not because Case B may hurt you personally more than Case A.
 
IU players...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PCB Chairman "Sharjeel Khan & Khalid Latif were caught red handed meeting with a suspicious character after the match" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL2017?src=hash">#PSL2017</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/830155042187575300">February 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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^Latest tweet stating the report that both players have confessed to it as failure to report and hence I think Khalid was visiting his legal assistance to evaluate the punishment sentence if there would be any.
Chairman has stated that more players could be grilled over failure to report.
 
Zahid87 said:
Its unfair if you are making up the rules as you go along, to suit your own whims.

Now people are upset, and are protective of PSL so want max punishment. Before people were protective of Amir, and wanted leniency.

You have to apply the rules to fit the crime, not because Case B may hurt you personally more than Case A.
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The authorities shouldnt change the rules to suit "their" whims but in the interest of protecting the sanctity of the game and even their own league.

Also, There is no hard and fast rule about what the punishment should be in case of fixing. Why is everyone quoting the example of Amir only? For one Amir who was brought back into international arena, there are two other players who were restricted to domestics and probably banned for life from international cricket. PCB can choose the length of punishment it deems fit be it a 5 year ban like amir's or life ban like asif and butt's.
 
Madplayer said:
The authorities shouldnt change the rules to suit "their" whims but in the interest of protecting the sanctity of the game and even their own league.

Also, There is no hard and fast rule about what the punishment should be in case of fixing. Why is everyone quoting the example of Amir only? For one Amir who was brought back into international arena, there are two other players who were restricted to domestics and probably banned for life from international cricket. PCB can choose the length of punishment it deems fit be it a 5 year ban like amir's or life ban like asif and butt's.
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The Amir example comes up because it is recent, high-profile, and involves a Pakistani cricketer.

And with regards to the rules....so you are saying that its ok, in this instance, to change the rules to protect the league. Thats where I disagree. PSL or no PSL, rules have to be the same for the crime. To change the punishment to suit your own interests is wrong.

If the crime is spot-fixing, then you cannot be more or less guilty than someone else who has been caught for the same crime.
 
Zahid87 said:
The Amir example comes up because it is recent, high-profile, and involves a Pakistani cricketer.

And with regards to the rules....so you are saying that its ok, in this instance, to change the rules to protect the league. Thats where I disagree. PSL or no PSL, rules have to be the same for the crime. To change the punishment to suit your own interests is wrong.

If the crime is spot-fixing, then you cannot be more or less guilty than someone else who has been caught for the same crime.
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Thats not a good enough reason. Why dont the asif and butt examples come up? They were high profile players as well. Asif was the second coming of mcgrath. And they also resumed domestic cricket at more or less the same time as amir. Infact they made a comeback to domestics more recently as compared to amir. Isn't it hypocritical to ignore the punishment meted out to them? They are never going to be selected for the national side again. I repeat, Why not use their example?

With regards to rules, first i said rules could be modified to protect the sanctity of the game..that comes first. Secondly i mentioned that along with the first reason it would protect the league as well. If you are protecting the sanctity of the game, you are obviously protecting your own league as well.

If the crime is spot fixing, i agree you cannot be more of less guilty than another person who has been caught for the same crime. Sharjeel cannot be less of a criminal than asif or butt and should be punished like them.
 
JaDed said:
Corruption happened in 1996 wc as well, we should ban that too,happened in some billateral test as well lets ban tests too.

The leagues started from 2007 corruption well u already know.
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Putting words in my mouth? Where in my post did I ask to ban these leagues? Whatever I said isn't true? Are all these leagues not corrupt?
 
JaDed said:
Corruption happened in 1996 wc as well, we should ban that too,happened in some billateral test as well lets ban tests too.

The leagues started from 2007 corruption well u already know.
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Absolutely. For him cricket was as pure as mothers milk before t 20 leagues started and those leagues corrupted the game of cricket.

Atleast with t 20 leagues around international cricket will be free from fixing otherwise it will be like before when int matches were fixed for fun
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Putting words in my mouth? Where in my post did I ask to ban these leagues? Whatever I said isn't true? Are all these leagues not corrupt?
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So what do u want to do with the leagues as they are the life line for lot of boards who r bankrupt as international cricket is losing money for the boards
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Putting words in my mouth? Where in my post did I ask to ban these leagues? Whatever I said isn't true? Are all these leagues not corrupt?
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International cricket is also corrupt as well isn't it? If players r willing to fix in leagues what will stop them from doing so in international cricket?
 
Drreddymd said:
Absolutely. For him cricket was as pure as mothers milk before t 20 leagues started and those leagues corrupted the game of cricket.

Atleast with t 20 leagues around international cricket will be free from fixing otherwise it will be like before when int matches were fixed for fun
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I think me and Jaded can discuss this with each other. Don't jump over his shoulder. I am not interested in having any discussion with you. :inti
 
Madplayer said:
Thats not a good enough reason. Why dont the asif and butt examples come up? They were high profile players as well. Asif was the second coming of mcgrath. And they also resumed domestic cricket at more or less the same time as amir. Infact they made a comeback to domestics more recently as compared to amir. Isn't it hypocritical to ignore the punishment meted out to them? They are never going to be selected for the national side again. I repeat, Why not use their example?

With regards to rules, first i said rules could be modified to protect the sanctity of the game..that comes first. Secondly i mentioned that along with the first reason it would protect the league as well. If you are protecting the sanctity of the game, you are obviously protecting your own league as well.

If the crime is spot fixing, i agree you cannot be more of less guilty than another person who has been caught for the same crime. Sharjeel cannot be less of a criminal than asif or butt and should be punished like them.
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Still disagree with the changing rules. The game has not become in further need of protection. Only thing that has changed is now people want to protect the PSL. No one really cares for cricket's sanctity.

Butt - 10 years, with 5 years suspended.
Asif - 7 Years, 2 years suspended.
Amir - 5 Years.

So really, its 5 years. Not life.

And to reiterate, its not that I am against life bans. Not handing them to Amir, Butt and Asif was a mistake, and people who want life bans now should accept and admit this.

To put into practice now, well it should be down to the ICC to guide its members that as the governing body, it would recommend nothing less than life ban as punishment for any sort or level of fixing.

Until then, the PCB has to go by set precedent. Anything else would be unfair to anyone else that was caught.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Putting words in my mouth? Where in my post did I ask to ban these leagues? Whatever I said isn't true? Are all these leagues not corrupt?
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BBL doesn't have any such issues,the bottom line is if there is a system and accountability it will not be corrupt,never heard of corruption in T20 SA as well.
 
JaDed said:
BBL doesn't have any such issues,the bottom line is if there is a system and accountability it will not be corrupt,never heard of corruption in T20 SA as well.
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No corruption in sa t 20? Have u not heard of ghulam bodi and his role in recruiting other players in fixing?

Sa gave life bans to nearly 5 players and big players like alviro pieterson have also beenbanned
 
Drreddymd said:
No corruption in sa t 20? Have u not heard of ghulam bodi and his role in recruiting other players in fixing?

Sa gave life bans to nearly 5 players and big players like alviro pieterson have also beenbanned
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My bad just remembered ,but atleast there is accountability,there have been issues of corruption in Football leagues as well,there just needs to be accountability thats it nothing else.
 
this is good for support and cricket they will get punishment amir case he got the punishment and asif and s butt
but asif need play and butt also
 
I'm hearing in the news that both Khalid and Sharjeel are pleading not guilty
 
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