Thousands of Muslims protest against ISIS and terrorism in London

[Varun]

Thousands of Muslims marched through London to protest against Isis and other Islamist terror groups this weekend. Victims of the terror group were remembered during the peaceful march on Sunday, which also marked the start of the religious festival Ashura.

The march started in Hyde Park and ended in Trafalgar Square, with people of all ages carrying banners including ‘Muslims condemn terrorism’ and ‘180k imams have spoken against IS [Isis]’.

The brother of aid worker David Haines, whose beheading by Jihadi John was posted online, spoke to the overwhelmingly Muslim crowd.

Mike Haines said: ‘It is important that we react in a positive way against these hate-mongers. I mourn my brother every day.

‘However he knew the risks of being a humanitarian worker. He and my family accepted those risks because he was doing important work, helping his fellow man regardless of creed, colour, race or religion.’ He added: ‘The callous murder of my brother, the bombing of a teenage concert in Manchester, the deplorable attack on a place of worship in Finsbury Park, the inexcusable name-calling of people based on their religion or colour – they all have one thing in common which is to incite hatred.’

Catriona Robertson, director of the Christian Muslim Forum, told The Daily Mail: ‘Today is an important day and this is an important procession. It is something that people from many different backgrounds can learn from.’ Ashura is the tenth day of Muharram in the Islamic calendar and marks the climax of the Remembrance of Muharram. The march is now an annual event which is becoming more popular every year.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/02/thous...against-isis-and-terrorism-in-london-6971956/

Interesting pictures and story (click-through to view the rest), but am I the only one with the opinion that Muslims should 'disperse' a little in a global setting? They tend to be steadfast as a block so it makes the haters easy to generalize them and in this context, label any of the shadier members of the community as 'ISIS Agents'.

With such geographical diversity spanning from Morocco to Indonesia, this shouldn't be difficult to achieve. Of course, they will continue to remain Muslims through and through.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Good to see muslims speaking out against these terrorist organisations and distancing themselves from ISIS , hopefully kingkhanwc and captain rishwat were also among the crowd.

You have to clean your own house first before making an impact on the world.

Be the change you want so see in this world

 

[KingKhanWC]

Good to see muslims speaking out against these terrorist organisations and distancing themselves from ISIS , hopefully kingkhanwc and captain rishwat were also among the crowd.

You have to clean your own house first before making an impact on the world.

Be the change you want so see in this world

No I had better things to do, like going to play squash.

You seem to want to close any discussion on India, hoping people would foolishly think it's shining. You're in the wrong place so give up now.

 

[Black Zero]

It seems these are Shia protesters...
They have been protesting for last 1400 years as they are the victims of terrorism.

 

[Specialisttailender]

It seems these are Shia protesters...
They have been protesting for last 1400 years as they are the victims of terrorism.

Now this is the problem, what made you think they are Shias? and when only the most hated group of Isis shows up to protests ISIS it leaves lot of people questioning whether Muslims are even against ISIS. Why couldn'tthis protest bring in 50,000 protesters instead of just couple thousands ? How will you explain ?

 

[Eagle_Eye]

basically a Shia political procession merged with ashura to say hey look at us, we are against Isis and all the terror related to them. Whilst on the other they probably all support Iran and Assad and thereby tacit approval of the atrocities in Syria...

Did anyone at the rally voice anything for victims of asad..... that would be interesting to know.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Now this is the problem, what made you think they are Shias? and when only the most hated group of Isis shows up to protests ISIS it leaves lot of people questioning whether Muslims are even against ISIS. Why couldn'tthis protest bring in 50,000 protesters instead of just couple thousands ? How will you explain ?

It's quite clear they are Shias.
- Read the banners
- rally on 10th Muharram

 

[Black Zero]

Now this is the problem, what made you think they are Shias? and when only the most hated group of Isis shows up to protests ISIS it leaves lot of people questioning whether Muslims are even against ISIS. Why couldn'tthis protest bring in 50,000 protesters instead of just couple thousands ? How will you explain ?

Simple, cause I can read urdu and arabic.

 

[Hasan]

What a moronic post to compare an Ashura rally to events in Iran and Syria. Imam Hussain is an universally held symbol of opposition to all form of terrorism.

The stupidity of the statement is also illustrated by the total ignorance of the fact that Iran is backing the fight against ISIS and such related groups.

 

[big_gamer007]

The poster in the middle says ISIS against humanity which is what should matter.. Seeing how people reject it as Shia protest in above posts is sad.. A normal non Muslim wouldn't know its Shia or Sunni but seeing the poster in middle will give him/her comfort about Not all Muslims being bad..

 

[Varun]

What has Shia or Sunni got to do with anything?

 

[ToeCrusher2]

You seem to want to close any discussion on India, hoping people would foolishly think it's shining.

Nope, I just want you to discuss the problems of the "not so great" Britain, you can't run away from it

 

[Yossarian]

Demonstrations and marches are usually undertaken to protest against the actions of a majority against those of a minority, and/or to protest against the actions of those in power.

Hence I see demonstrations as this giving the impression that the support for terrorist groups is widespread amongst the Muslims, that these 'protestors' are in a minority, and that's why they're protesting against the likes of Isis, because it's the only way to bring pressure on those in authority to act and do something about it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Good to see muslims speaking out against these terrorist organisations and distancing themselves from ISIS , hopefully kingkhanwc and captain rishwat were also among the crowd.

You have to clean your own house first before making an impact on the world.

Be the change you want so see in this world

No I wasn't in the crowd. I was cleaning my own house as per your advice, the tv set needed dusting and the plates in dishwasher needed to be put away.

 

[j_kazmi]

I was there and I thought it was a great idea to use the ashura day as an opportunity to show our protest against ISIS and terrorism so it saddens me to see people still have something bad to say about it.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

 

[j_kazmi]

What has Shia or Sunni got to do with anything?

This is was part of the annual ashura mourning tradition. This is something only Shias do so naturally people are going to have problems with this.

 

[Braveheart]

What has Shia or Sunni got to do with anything?

A lot.
In the context of the ISIS 'Agenda'.
Shia's are also seen as the 'Khaffurr'.

 

[Specialisttailender]

It's quite clear they are Shias.
- Read the banners
- rally on 10th Muharram

Simple, cause I can read urdu and arabic.

Got answer for the second half of my question ?

 

[Specialisttailender]

What has Shia or Sunni got to do with anything?

Because Shias are biggest victims of ISIS. It seems like it is a Shias protest, meaning Sunni muslims that the Isis claims to represent aren't attending the protest to oppose ISIS.

 

[Black Zero]

Got answer for the second half of my question ?

There are several threads about Syria, Assad, Chemical Weapons, Iran etc... bump anyone and ask there..

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

A lot.
In the context of the ISIS 'Agenda'.
Shia's are also seen as the 'Khaffurr'.

Sunnis are also seen as 'Khaffurr' by Shias I would imagine, hence why they set up different mosques and currently it is Shia turn in Syria to torture and kill Sunnis. Once sects are established the natural order is to strive for dominance over the 'incorrect' sect, otherwise why establish a sect in the first place?

 

[Black Zero]

Sunnis are also seen as 'Khaffurr' by Shias I would imagine, hence why they set up different mosques and currently it is Shia turn in Syria to torture and kill Sunnis. Once sects are established the natural order is to strive for dominance over the 'incorrect' sect, otherwise why establish a sect in the first place?

Shias consider sunnis as muslim. However, they call themselves momin.

 

[JoniInsafian]

The poster in the middle says ISIS against humanity which is what should matter.. Seeing how people reject it as Shia protest in above posts is sad.. A normal non Muslim wouldn't know its Shia or Sunni but seeing the poster in middle will give him/her comfort about Not all Muslims being bad..

If you agree that it’s Isis against humanity then why do you want us to protest against ISIS any more than anyone else from humanity.... See this is the problem you people intentionally want to link ISIS with Islam by asking us to protest them

 

[Saeed]

Waste of time and money. They could have made 8 pounds during the same time. ISIS will cease to exist just because some people are protesting in a far away country. If they want to end ISIS they should be protesting against Syrian Regime and Iraqi puppet government as they created conditions for ISIS to exist. Protests are supposed to be against legitimate entities. What’s next, protesting gangs and thieves?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Waste of time and money. They could have made 8 pounds during the same time. ISIS will cease to exist just because some people are protesting in a far away country. If they want to end ISIS they should be protesting against Syrian Regime and Iraqi puppet government as they created conditions for ISIS to exist. Protests are supposed to be against legitimate entities. What’s next, protesting gangs and thieves?

I agree with you protesting against a criminal group is stupid. But im not sure it's the fault of Iraq or Syria, they didn't ask for foreign intervention which actually created the conditions for their rise.

 

[Saeed]

But im not sure it's the fault of Iraq or Syria, they didn't ask for foreign intervention which actually created the conditions for their rise.

They didn’t ask for it but I am sure Iraq and Syria couldn’t be more happy about the foriegn intervention. Both governments are in power because of foreign intervention.

 

[yasir]

Now this is the problem, what made you think they are Shias? and when only the most hated group of Isis shows up to protests ISIS it leaves lot of people questioning whether Muslims are even against ISIS. Why couldn'tthis protest bring in 50,000 protesters instead of just couple thousands ? How will you explain ?

It's quite clear they are Shias.
- Read the banners
- rally on 10th Muharram

There is little doubt this is Shia procession. Mostly black color apparel, one of the post card says "Hussian is symbol of Justice", Why bring such a poster in a march against ISIS??

Also, looks like this happens to be on 10 Muharram. So they were making a political brownie points with the west, as a side show. Real reason was Muharram, many in west does not understand basic dynamics

How many people have marched against ISIS in Pakistan and Saudi, where it really matters??

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Shias consider sunnis as muslim. However, they call themselves momin.

What is the difference between a momin and a Muslim?

 

[Black Zero]

What is the difference between a momin and a Muslim?

Alphabets

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Alphabets

So does that mean Shias consider Sunnis basically the same as themselves bar some difference in alphabet?

 

[Specialisttailender]

There is little doubt this is Shia procession. Mostly black color apparel, one of the post card says "Hussian is symbol of Justice", Why bring such a poster in a march against ISIS??

Also, looks like this happens to be on 10 Muharram. So they were making a political brownie points with the west, as a side show. Real reason was Muharram, many in west does not understand basic dynamics

How many people have marched against ISIS in Pakistan and Saudi, where it really matters??

If someone asks why don't the people that ISIS is claiming to represent(Sunnis) opposing them ? What woould you answer ?

 

[Black Zero]

So does that mean Shias consider Sunnis basically the same as themselves bar some difference in alphabet?

I am unsure about it...as they consider themselves better than sunnis...(how much better, it depends on country and time)
nevertheless, they consider sunnis as muslims...

 

[troodon]

Good move by Muslims to protest against extremists. Show the world that you are different from those animals.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Good move by Muslims to protest against extremists. Show the world that you are different from those animals.

If they are Shias as would appear to be the case, then they need to protest against the extremists in Iran as well, not to mention the terrorist groups that country sponsors, such as Hezbollah and other militias which are committing crimes across the middle east not dissimilar to the ones they are protesting about. Otherwise this protest could be construed as selective outrage.

 

[CricketCartoons]

If they are Shias as would appear to be the case, then they need to protest against the extremists in Iran as well, not to mention the terrorist groups that country sponsors, such as Hezbollah and other militias which are committing crimes across the middle east not dissimilar to the ones they are protesting about. Otherwise this protest could be construed as selective outrage.

Selective outrage is the practical way. Otherwise everyone should be protesting about everything. Let others who care enough protest about hezbollah and iran if they want to. There should be market capitalism in the outrage industry.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Selective outrage is the practical way. Otherwise everyone should be protesting about everything. Let others who care enough protest about hezbollah and iran if they want to. There should be market capitalism in the outrage industry.

Excellent point. But in fact I am only posting my selective objection for purposes of this site for readers benefit. In reality of course selective outrage is the way forward and I have no objection to it in practice as long as I am free to point it out.

 

[Black Zero]

We should ask these protesters, why do not they protest against animal killings #PETA

 

[Hasan]

Those opposing hizhullah have already marched through london. Unfortunately their spiritual leader is now in jail, Anjum Chodrey!

http://www.aimislam.com/salafis-mar...london-attack-shia-passersby-on-edgware-road/

 

[big_gamer007]

If you agree that it’s Isis against humanity then why do you want us to protest against ISIS any more than anyone else from humanity.... See this is the problem you people intentionally want to link ISIS with Islam by asking us to protest them

My post was directed towards posters dismissing it because protestors maybe Shia's.. They should not have protested but since they did others should not be dismissing them because of their sect..

Also ideally and practically are two different situations.. In practical world today religion based hatred/fear is growing which you can say is due to media, governments, terrorists whatever and if these guys tried to showcase their support with their country and against terrorists then they should not be dismissed..

 

[Eagle_Eye]

There is little doubt this is Shia procession. Mostly black color apparel, one of the post card says "Hussian is symbol of Justice", Why bring such a poster in a march against ISIS??

Also, looks like this happens to be on 10 Muharram. So they were making a political brownie points with the west, as a side show. Real reason was Muharram, many in west does not understand basic dynamics

How many people have marched against ISIS in Pakistan and Saudi, where it really matters??

I hate this type of opportunistic tokenism. Worse of all is that they are most probably fervently in the corner of Assad and his allies hezbollah and Iran.... its just a hypocritical point scoring exercise relying on the ignorance in the west of the internal dynamics.

A more sincere effort would have involved marching on a seperate day hand in hand with other Muslims against all terrorists and their supporters.

 

[IMMY69]

I hate this type of opportunistic tokenism. Worse of all is that they are most probably fervently in the corner of Assad and his allies hezbollah and Iran.... its just a hypocritical point scoring exercise relying on the ignorance in the west of the internal dynamics.

A more sincere effort would have involved marching on a seperate day hand in hand with other Muslims against all terrorists and their supporters.

That is a pathetic and ignorant statement.

Do you know the people who protested?
What was their thinking behind it?

Hatred is mostly all I see here and a big dollup of jealousy in that at least these people did something.