Three dead, dozens injured in violent clash during Mosque survey in Uttar Pradesh

I wrote the post, don’t waste time summarizing it for me lol. Why do you run out of gas when countered? Yes maybe a guy got lynched, it is terrible. How many times have you discussed Ahmadi or other minority prosecution in Pak on PP, can you share, want to see your views. I mean were you moved when the Srilankan manager was lynched or other sect were gunned down recently. Let’s start fresh from this weeks news. Thoughts?

That’s because on those thread, “ you don’t receive such replies, “yea, few got killed”. No one on those threads defending the terrorist and extremists unlike “Hindutva” gang up to defend with, “yea, one incident” every time it happens.

You can add, “Ahmadi” to the list.
 
That’s because on those thread, “ you don’t receive such replies, “yea, few got killed”. No one on those threads defending the terrorist and extremists unlike “Hindutva” gang up to defend with, “yea, one incident” every time it happens.

You can add, “Ahmadi” to the list.
You don’t participate on those threads though. Always found more on Indian political threads saying the same thing in wren and martin grammar active and passive statements again and again.
 
You don’t participate on those threads though. Always found more on Indian political threads saying the same thing in wren and martin grammar active and passive statements again and again.
That’s because I don’t see Pakistani or Indians defending bigotry and extremist on those threads.
 
That’s because I don’t see Pakistani or Indians defending bigotry and extremist on those threads.

if you want to tell a story tell it completely ... here is the live evidence of how you got called out and you quietly slipped away as you realized that you were on a slippery slope.

Link --> https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...reacher-for-hate-speech.315211/#post-12380069

Also earlier in that thread I have quoted the EXACT words of Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar who is the architect of Indian Constitution. His words happen to be exactly the same as what I keep telling you. Go ahead tell us why he is an extremist too lol
 
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if you want to tell a story tell it completely ... here is the live evidence of how got called out and you quietly slipped away as you realized that you were on a slippery slope.

Link --> https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...reacher-for-hate-speech.315211/#post-12380069

Also earlier in that thread I have quoted the EXACT words of Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar who is the architect of Indian Constitution. His words happen to be exactly the same as what I keep telling you. Go ahead tell us why he is an extremist too lol
Your views are extremist and in support of genocide and ethnic cleansing of Muslims.
 
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Your views are extremist and in support of genocide and ethnic cleansing of Muslims.

Prove it with facts. I can similarly make more brazen accusations on you but thats not how I roll.

If you have soo much conviction in your position that you are on the correct side of this debate stand up and debate like a grown up man. IF you run you are the loser. Simple as. And you know very well that you will get systematically dismantled you if you were to engage in a proper lengthy discussion as the facts, history and trackrecord of your co-religionists are hopelessly against your position.

Go ahead answer that question I asked in this thread --> https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...reacher-for-hate-speech.315211/#post-12380069

 
Prove it with facts. I can similarly make more brazen accusations on you but thats not how I roll.

If you have soo much conviction in your position that you are on the correct side of this debate stand up and debate like a grown up man. IF you run you are the loser. Simple as. And you know very well that you will get systematically dismantled you if you were to engage in a proper lengthy discussion as the facts, history and trackrecord of your co-religionists are hopelessly against your position.

Go ahead answer that question I asked in this thread --> https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...reacher-for-hate-speech.315211/#post-12380069

You are the winner, sleep well.
 
Everyone has a right to question and criticize anyone. You just don’t have a “right” to support the genocide, apartheid, and place people in open air prison.

You don't have the right to criticize anyone's faith. Their faith is their personal choice and every one is allowed their personal space without anyone else poking their nose in it.

You may think as a muslim others are doing wrong by not following your religion, but that's your opinion and others have the right to not to have to listen to your opinion.

What genocide apartheid or open prison?
 
Would you say it goes both ways… that hindus are equally hateful.. thats how it looks to many here

Hindus Jews or even Christians. All are held in contempt here.Since the Hindus are more contempt towards them is extra.
 
You don't have the right to criticize anyone's faith. Their faith is their personal choice and every one is allowed their personal space without anyone else poking their nose in it.

You may think as a muslim others are doing wrong by not following your religion, but that's your opinion and others have the right to not to have to listen to your opinion.

What genocide apartheid or open prison?
Nope! I never compared religion nor criticize any religion. I just criticized those who use religion to commit genocide.

I don’t care what you or anyone practice as a religion, it is as irrelevant to me as you are.
 
Hindus Jews or even Christians. All are held in contempt here.Since the Hindus are more contempt towards them is extra.
Sad to hear that. can you show where such contempt was made, also you didn’t answer the question.. would you say that hate goes both ways..
 
Nope! I never compared religion nor criticize any religion. I just criticized those who use religion to commit genocide.

Then start with your own fellow co-religionsts who are the undisputed champions on matters involving genocide and closely related topics : bigotry and religious intolerance.

So where is your outrage about Kashmiri Pandit genocide and exodus?. Where is your outrage for the Hindu pilgrims mostly women and children that were burnt alive in broad daylight in Godhra?
 
Sad to hear that. can you show where such contempt was made, also you didn’t answer the question.. would you say that hate goes both ways..

Who started it in your opinion? Where did it all start ?
 
Where is your outrage for the Hindu pilgrims mostly women and children that were burnt alive in broad daylight in Godhra?

Are you saying Muslims did Godhra train burning? As per independent investigation, that's not true. Don't write fake news.

See below:

The Nanavati-Mehta Commission, appointed by the state government in the immediate aftermath of the event, concluded in 2008 that the burning was a pre-planned act of arson committed by a thousand-strong Muslim mob.[5] In contrast, the Banerjee Commission, a one-member panel instituted in 2004 by then Rail Minister Lalu Prasad Yadav of the Ministry of Railways, characterized the fire as an accident in its 2006 report.[6] However, the Gujarat High Court later ruled that the commission's appointment was unconstitutional and quashed all its findings.[7] An independent investigation by a non-governmental organization also supported the theory that the fire was accidental.[8]

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godhra_train_burning.
 
Then start with your own fellow co-religionsts who are the undisputed champions on matters involving genocide and closely related topics : bigotry and religious intolerance.

So where is your outrage about Kashmiri Pandit genocide and exodus?. Where is your outrage for the Hindu pilgrims mostly women and children that were burnt alive in broad daylight in Godhra?
Condemn killing of innocents. Sleep well.
 
Are you saying Muslims did Godhra train burning? As per independent investigation, that's not true. Don't write fake news.

See below:



Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godhra_train_burning.

That "independent investigation" was carried out 2 years after the incident and most importantly they have no jurisdiction on that matter. Even the ministry of Railways who setup their own investigation ( again 2 yrs post-fact lol ) were properly scolded and their report deemed null and void by no less a authority than the Supreme Court of India.

Here is the final ruling on that matter which is widely accepted: https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/godhra-verdict-31-convicted-63-acquitted-448265

Now to the most important thing: You will now run away from this thread and claim that you got "tired" of discussing the same thing over and over when the fact is that this is the 1st time I'am discussing this particular topic with you.
 
There ... fixed for accuracy. Thats your agenda masquerading as some genuine human rights activist. Doesn't take long to unmask your types.

I didn’t write that. You added it because you need an excuse and justification to continue supporting the killing of your fellow countrymen based on their religion.

You’re so desperate to hate Muslims that you would alter their words just to feed the twisted satisfaction you get from promoting genocide and religious supremacy.

But if believing that helps you sleep at night, then by all means, continue.
 
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Atleast 30+ killed in pakistan yesterday violence but no one talked about. Not even a thread but let's talk about india.
 
I didn’t write that. You added it

Yes because those are your actual true colors that need to be exposed.

because you need an excuse and justification to continue supporting the killing of your fellow countrymen based on their religion.

we will find out who isactually genocidial if and when you start answering my questions. You simply wont because you know you will get nailed properly.


You’re so desperate to hate Muslims that you would alter their words just to feed the twisted satisfaction you get from promoting genocide and religious supremacy.

My position on muslims is driven by well documented actions of Muslims for CENTURIES UPON CENTURIES and there is no end to it. Even the educated ones are not much different. If you are sooo truly concerned about Human life you should start by introspecting the utterly heinous actions of your community. But thats not your real agenda and everyone knows that. Evidence is right here in black and white. Go ahead answering my questions on this thread that you are dodging : https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...reacher-for-hate-speech.315211/#post-12380069



But if believing that helps you sleep at night, then by all means, continue.

yeah thats why I am the one chasing you to induge in a fact based discussion while you are obtusely staying away from it.
 
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Yes because those are your actual true colors that need to be exposed.



we will find out who isactually genocidial if and when you start answering my questions. You simply wont because you know you will get nailed properly.




My position on muslims is driven by well documented actions of Muslims for CENTURIES UPON CENTURIES and there is no end to it. Even the educated ones are not much different. If you are sooo truly concerned about Human life you should start by introspecting the utterly heinous actions of your community. But thats not your real agenda and everyone knows that. Evidence is right here in black and white. Go ahead answering my questions on this thread that you are dodging : https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...reacher-for-hate-speech.315211/#post-12380069





yeah thats why I am the one chasing you to induge in a fact based discussion while you are obtusely staying away from it. Talk about thief lecturing the cops.

No, it’s okay. You drive satisfaction from hating Muslims. That’s your way of life. Don’t want to disturb your sleep.
 
No, it’s okay. You drive satisfaction from hating Muslims. That’s your way of life. Don’t want to disturb your sleep.

I derive satisfaction from exposing fake online Human rights activists who are actually the biggest cover providers for the Jihadi's. So yeah look in the mirror. And unlike you I will actually back up my words with facts and chase you around because I know you have no leg to stand on this debate. You running away is not a surprise.​

So ONCE AGAIN if you are soo truly and sincerely concerned about Human lives then start answering my question here: https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...reacher-for-hate-speech.315211/#post-12380069
 
I derive satisfaction from exposing fake online Human rights activists who are actually the biggest cover providers for the Jihadi's. So yeah look in the mirror. And unlike you I will actually back up my words with facts and chase you around because I know you have no leg to stand on this debate. You running away is not a surprise.​

So ONCE AGAIN if you are soo truly and sincerely concerned about Human lives then start answering my question here: https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...reacher-for-hate-speech.315211/#post-12380069

Does it bring you peace to know you won a debate by trying to discredit a religion you despise so deeply and exposing every Muslim as Jihadi? If it does, then sleep well. I’m conceding to not disturb your health.
 
Does it bring you peace to know you won a debate by trying to discredit a religion you despise so deeply and exposing every Muslim as Jihadi? If it does, then sleep well. I’m conceding to not disturb your health.

There is no such thing as moral victory or things on that line when dealing with Jihadi sympathizers. A wise man once said that you cannot shame those who do not comprehend the concept of shame. This is the single biggest reason as to why there is a disproportionate response from the Hindu, Jew right wing to Muslim initiated violence. Brute force is the only concept that they understand. Thats the reality. Now go ahead and blame the Hindus and Jews while simultaneously pretending that your fellow co-religionsts are as harmless and angelic as a pristine snow-white dove. Never threw a stone, fired a shot much less indulged in genocide, mass murder etc. Pathetic.
 
Please comeback to the topic now.

Talk about the incident instead of bringing old irrelevant stuff to satisfy your agendas and derail the whole thread.
 
Who started it in your opinion? Where did it all start ?
Why..? All i said is that exclusively accusing Muslims of hating everyone and not others.. seems one way, i knew you would do this.
From, dont both sides behave the same to can you show who started it ??! Sorry im not judge, jury, jailor
 
There is no such thing as moral victory or things on that line when dealing with Jihadi sympathizers. A wise man once said that you cannot shame those who do not comprehend the concept of shame. This is the single biggest reason as to why there is a disproportionate response from the Hindu, Jew right wing to Muslim initiated violence. Brute force is the only concept that they understand. Thats the reality. Now go ahead and blame the Hindus and Jews while simultaneously pretending that your fellow co-religionsts are as harmless and angelic as a pristine snow-white dove. Never threw a stone, fired a shot much less indulged in genocide, mass murder etc. Pathetic.
You left a religion out .. Wait till your so called friends coming knocking on your door
 
Are you saying Muslims did Godhra train burning? As per independent investigation, that's not true. Don't write fake news.

See below:



Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godhra_train_burning.

Muslims burned the train.

What independent investigation? Are NGOs investigating agencies? In which country NGOs do investigation? Are NGOs allowed to visit scene of crime, collect evidence, examine witnesses?

Anyone other than investigating agencies doing this will be punished by law for obstruction of justice.
 
You left a religion out .. Wait till your so called friends coming knocking on your door

This is why it is important to understand WHO started the Cycle of violence.

So who do YOU hold responsible?
 
This is why it is important to understand WHO started the Cycle of violence.

So who do YOU hold responsible?
Responsible For what..?
I wasnt present at each and every grievance so personally i dont care, they can kill each other. Of course the strong will win. Sick of this constant muslim vilifying by usual crowds. Nothing new though.
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The death toll from violent protests in India sparked by a survey into whether a centuries-old mosque was built on a Hindu temple has risen to six, an official said on Tuesday

Around 20 police officers were also wounded during the violence on Sunday in Sambhal in India’s northern state of Uttar Pradesh, district magistrate Chirag Goyal told AFP.

Street battles broke out in a bid to block a team of surveyors from the government’s Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) from entering the Shahi Jama Masjid in Sambhal.

The six Muslim men were killed by gunfire — with Goyal saying they were shot by fellow protesters.

“The six killed were caught in crossfire by rioters using homemade pistols,” he said. “The police only fired tear gas and rubber bullets”.

Two people were initially reported dead on Sunday, but more details emerged later, while others later died of their wounds.

Goyal said 25 people had been arrested following the violence.

Right-wing Hindu groups tend to lay claim to several mosques they allege were built over Hindu temples during the Muslim Mughal empire centuries ago.

The survey in Sambhal was ordered by a local court, after a petition from a Hindu priest this month claimed it was built on the site of a Hindu temple.

Within hours the court ordered a survey of the mosque, a decision protested by local Muslim residents.

The first survey was undertaken on November 19. A second survey four days later, which included taking photos and video of the mosque’s features, triggered the violence.

The hilltop Shahi Jama Masjid was built in 1526 during the rule of Mughal emperors Babur and Humayun, according to historians, with renovations during the 17th century.

Hindu nationalist activists were emboldened earlier this year when Prime Minister Narendra Modi inaugurated a grand new Hindu temple in the northern city of Ayodhya, built on grounds once home to the centuries-old Babri mosque.

That mosque was torn down in 1992 in a campaign spearheaded by members of Modi’s party, sparking sectarian riots that killed 2,000 people nationwide, most of them Muslims.

Source: Dawn News
 
Responsible For what..?
I wasnt present at each and every grievance so personally i dont care, they can kill each other. Of course the strong will win. Sick of this constant muslim vilifying by usual crowds. Nothing new though.
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unlike others I will actually tell you why they are vilified with bare facts. You will obviously not like that but if you are truly interested in knowing why this happens then it is important to do some basic fact checking and scrutiny. But then you will have to set aside your incredulous conspiracy theories that the entire world is against you !!

Why..? All i said is that exclusively accusing Muslims of hating everyone and not others.. seems one way, i knew you would do this.
From, dont both sides behave the same to can you show who started it ??! Sorry im not judge, jury, jailor

There is a stark difference between the behavior pattern of the two sides. Just look at the previous news article in post # 117 which clearly highlights the rogue mentality of Muslims who simply do not have any respect for law and order or court decisions. And this is nothing new , has been happening for friggin centuries and is the reason why Muslims face severe backlash. But what is surprising to see is that even the most educated and internet savvy Muslims trying to peddle this bakwaas that Muslims == Victims ONLY and Hindus == EVIL

So don't ever peddle the Hindus == Muslims nonsense. It rarely is ever true.

The biggest evidence for it lies within your own country. How many Riots and mass murders committed by Hindus ? ZERO
 
unlike others I will actually tell you why they are vilified with bare facts. You will obviously not like that but if you are truly interested in knowing why this happens then it is important to do some basic fact checking and scrutiny. But then you will have to set aside your incredulous conspiracy theories that the entire world is against you !!



There is a stark difference between the behavior pattern of the two sides. Just look at the previous news article in post # 117 which clearly highlights the rogue mentality of Muslims who simply do not have any respect for law and order or court decisions. And this is nothing new , has been happening for friggin centuries and is the reason why Muslims face severe backlash. But what is surprising to see is that even the most educated and internet savvy Muslims trying to peddle this bakwaas that Muslims == Victims ONLY and Hindus == EVIL

So don't ever peddle the Hindus == Muslims nonsense. It rarely is ever true.

The biggest evidence for it lies within your own country. How many Riots and mass murders committed by Hindus ? ZERO
Ok.
Muslims = evil, evil dastardly evil.
Hindus = Heaven sent Angels
Is that ok for you.

Myself and other Muslims only speak for ourselves, not other Muslims. We each go to our own grave or pyre. Thats it.
 
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Ok.
Muslims = evil, evil dastardly evil.
Hindus = Heaven sent Angels
Is that ok for you.

Thats not the point of this discussion. It is to set aside our biases and look at the available evidence. There is a huge misconception amongst Pakistani posters about the Hindu-Muslim conflict which is heavily colored with green. I have personally lived thru these conflicts and I know what I am talking about. I have nothing to hide.​

Myself and other Muslims only speak for ourselves, not other Muslims. We each go to our own grave or pyre. Thats it.

Sadly the words matter ... day-in and day-out we see the usual suspects here bang on about Hindutva this and Hindutva that ... so I said ... well if you guys are sooo certain that Hindutva is THE EVIL behind all this then lets see the facts, lets do some scrutiny, lets ask some tough questions. And the end-result is there for everyone to see.
 
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I am yet to see any BJP poster condemn this.

They don't have the decency to do that I guess.
 
'Congress New Muslim League': BJP Vs INDIA Bloc Over Rahul Gandhi's Planned Sambhal Visit

Rahul and Priyanka Gandhi’s scheduled visit to Sambhal gave way to a political row on Wednesday, with the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and the Opposition INDIA bloc training guns on each other. While the Congress termed stopping the Gandhis “injustice", the BJP said the party has now become the “new Muslim League".

The situation turned chaotic after the Ghazipur Border on the Delhi-Meerut Expressway witnessed massive traffic as the Uttar Pradesh Police put up barricades and started checking vehicles to prevent any untoward incident.

A heavy security was also deployed to stop the Gandhis and other Congress MPs from visiting the violence-hit city, which saw the death of five people on November 24.

The Congress workers defied barricading and also engaged in a scuffle with the commuters on the stretch, who faced a harrowing time reaching their destinations due to the traffic congestion.

Meanwhile, members of the Congress’ youth wing raised slogans and waved the party flag as the police stopped Rahul Gandhi at the Ghazipur Border citing prohibitory orders.

After hours of deadlock, Rahul and Priyanka Gandhi were escorted to the Parliament in Delhi by the Uttar Pradesh Police in their vans.

As the entire incident unfolded, Congress MP Shashi Tharoor termed the police action “injustice" and said this was the time to think about the future.

“This is injustice, a public representative has the right that if there is a very important issue, he should go and see it, listen to the voice of the people. Not letting them go is wrong. This is the time to think about the future, how long will we talk about history? This is not right, they should have been allowed to go," Tharoor said while talking to reporters outside the Parliament today.

Party MP Renuka Chowdhury also said Congress would continue to protest.

“They will not let them go, they cannot face the truth. We will keep protesting. Only we spoil the atmosphere that we are stopped? What is happening in Sambhal, who will take the responsibility?" she asked.

Later, party MP KC Venugopal claimed the police told them that the delegation would be allowed to visit Sambhal after nearly five days.

“The police informed us that they will allow us after four to five days. They have purposefully blocked the traffic. We do not want to create problems for the common people," he told reporters.

Samajwadi Party chief and former Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Akhilesh Yadav alleged the BJP was attempting to create an atmosphere of ‘no development’. He also alleged the Sambhal incident was deliberately engineered by the BJP.

Talking to reporters, Yadav said, “The BJP is deliberately trying to create such an atmosphere, they don’t want progress, happiness, or development. The biggest crime they committed was when they didn’t allow people to vote."

Commenting on Rahul Gandhi being stopped from visiting Sambhal, Rashtriya Janata Dal (RJD) MP Manoj Jha said, “When you allow the Opposition people to go there, the situation will improve. What problem do you have with this? Only those who are authoritarian and dictatorial will have a problem with this."

BJP SAYS CONGRESS ‘NEW MUSLIM LEAGUE’

Slamming the Gandhi family over their planned Sambhal visit, BJP’s IT cell chief Amit Malviya alleged the family visits temples only during elections.

In an X post, Malviya wrote, “Why are Rahul Gandhi and his sister going to Sambhal? They will not be going to Harihar temple to offer prayers. The Gandhi family visits temples only during elections, and there are no elections in Uttar Pradesh right now."

“Rahul Gandhi is going to Sambhal to ensure that the entire Muslim vote bank there does not go to the Samajwadi Party. Their only aim is to spread communal frenzy. They have no idea how much inconvenience this is causing people and how much Hindu society is feeling hurt. Congress has become the new Muslim League," a rough translation of his post in Hindi suggested.

Also commenting on the matter, BJP’s national spokesperson Shehzad Poonawalla said, “LOP is a statutory post not a constitutional one There is no constitutional right to do politics over a sponsored attack on cops," (sic).

Addressing a press conference over Rahul and Priyanka Gandhi’s scheduled visit to Sambhal, and how they were stopped in Ghaziabad, BJP MP Sudhanshu Trivedi today alleged the Congress was taking forward its agenda, while the other parties of the INDI Alliance decided to go their way.

“The Parliament session is underway, and the people have witnessed the differences within the INDI Alliance and their negative approach towards the Constitution. Yesterday, 42 notices under Rule 267 were received in Rajya Sabha and the important thing is that the notices received were for nine different topics," the BJP MP said.

“It was evident that the Congress was taking forward its agenda and other parties of the INDI Alliance decided to go their way. After the failure to take along the alliance parties on the floor of the House, today, Rahul Gandhi, under compulsion, tried to visit Uttar Pradesh’s sensitive Sambhal. It was just a formality for media attention as he has failed to keep the INDI Alliance together," Trivedi said in Delhi.

Also commenting on the matter, Uttar Pradesh Deputy Chief Minister Keshav Maurya, while talking to reporters today said, “Samajwadi Party chief Akhilesh Yadav and Congress leader Rahul Gandhi are doing unsuccessful politics to get Muslim votes. It is a drama and will not benefit both the parties, they will be finished."

“The country is with the BJP in the leadership of Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Sambhal is peaceful now, but they want to affect it. They are unable to tolerate the welfare of the country," Maurya said.

The other Deputy Chief Minister, Brajesh Pathak, said, “I want to appeal to all the leaders to help the administration restore peace. The UP government is standing with people, but these leaders only want to visit for votes, there is no problem if they visit after the situation normalises, there will be no restriction."

The Congress delegation had planned to visit Sambhal and meet the families of those killed in the violence, despite there being curbs under Section 163 (power to issue an order in urgent cases of nuisance or apprehended danger) of the Bharatiya Nagarik Suraksha Sanhita (BNSS).

The curbs were set to be lifted on December 1. However, have now been extended until December 31.

The Ghaziabad Police Commissioner had earlier informed PTI that they would not allow Rahul Gandhi to proceed towards Sambhal due to the prohibitory orders imposed by the administration there.

Rahul Gandhi, Priyanka Gandhi Stopped At The Ghazipur Border On Their Way To Sambhal

Violence erupted during a second survey on November 24 as protesters gathered near Shahi Jama Masjid and clashed with security personnel.

Five people were killed, while many more were injured in the violence.

Source: News 18
 
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