Throwing students out of schools for not paying fees - Immoral or justified?

[MenInG]

Have schools now been reduced to being businesses? Or are they justified in this action?

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[MenInG]

I understand that schools are businesses but should a line be drawn?

 

[DeadBall]

Schools have been businesses for quite some time now especially private ones. Education is the right of every child and that is why the welfare example of providing free education is so great. In fact here you can prosecuted by the law if a child of school going age is restricted to do so.

 

[MenInG]

Schools have been businesses for quite some time now especially private ones. Education is the right of every child and that is why the welfare example of providing free education is so great. In fact here you can prosecuted by the law if a child of school going age is restricted to do so.

I can understand that schools need to pay staff etc but surely removing pupils needs to be a serious issue

 

[cricketworm]

Need to put into Law that all students must get education and fees can be evaluated according to parent's financial condition

 

[USofA]

Big question is, do these schools receive any money from the govt.? Or do they have to pay their own bills?

If someone has to pay for something then its a privilege not a right. You don't pay for rights. You just have it.

We in the United States have public schools that are free of cost. Well, actually they are not free, taxpayers foot the bill. Every child has a right to go to these schools. We also have private schools that parents pay to send their children.

Of course the private schools are much better and ahead by a country mile. But that is a different discussion.

 

[Itachi]

these schools are private or govt owned?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Schools have been businesses for quite some time now especially private ones. Education is the right of every child and that is why the welfare example of providing free education is so great. In fact here you can prosecuted by the law if a child of school going age is restricted to do so.

You are comparing first world conditions to third world. Is there any developing country which has a welfare system that you could use as a yardstick rather than Germany?

 

[Arham_PakFan]

these schools are private or govt owned?

Private schools.They provide British standard of education(O/A levels).

Having studied in private schools myself up till recently,I can assure that the fees is way too high.Only upper middle class upwards can afford it for their children.Meanwhile govt schools provide Intermediate/Matric qualification which has quite a poor standard.

 

[big_gamer007]

Need to put into Law that all students must get education and fees can be evaluated according to parent's financial condition

Yea no in countries like India and Pakistan these rules will be twisted and exploited by the rich.. Like the so called farmers who drive in Mercedes need waiver on taxes because they are “poor”..

Government should make government run schools top notch and at par with private schools and fees should be subsidised for everyone.. Right now our biggest strength is our biggest weakness which is population.. It’s our strength as gives us a global standing however it’s our weakness since it doesn’t let us grow domestically..

 

[Itachi]

Private schools.They provide British standard of education(O/A levels).

Having studied in private schools myself up till recently,I can assure that the fees is way too high.Only upper middle class upwards can afford it for their children.Meanwhile govt schools provide Intermediate/Matric qualification which has quite a poor standard.

Do these private schools follow the same exam pattern of govt schools or follow a different system?

 

[Itachi]

You are comparing first world conditions to third world. Is there any developing country which has a welfare system that you could use as a yardstick rather than Germany?

Not gloating here but India does put emphasis on education for everyone.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarva_Shiksha_Abhiyan

This plan is successfully implemented in various parts of the country including remote villages. And when I say remote, it means hours of travel by bus, then those small boats, then walking for may be half an hour.... And then the school.

Those people send their kids because they are provided the lunch at school. None the less, those kids do learn a little bit. They don’t put emphasis on education but in those circumstances, even learning 1,2,3,4 would be considered moderately successful.

This system should yield good results after a decade.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not gloating here but India does put emphasis on education for everyone.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarva_Shiksha_Abhiyan

This plan is successfully implemented in various parts of the country including remote villages. And when I say remote, it means hours of travel by bus, then those small boats, then walking for may be half an hour.... And then the school.

Those people send their kids because they are provided the lunch at school. None the less, those kids do learn a little bit. They don’t put emphasis on education but in those circumstances, even learning 1,2,3,4 would be considered moderately successful.

This system should yield good results after a decade.

Agree that India has traditionally put more emphasis on education, does that filter down to the masses in rural areas? If so, how is it funded?

 

[TM Riddle]

Not gloating here but India does put emphasis on education for everyone.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarva_Shiksha_Abhiyan

This plan is successfully implemented in various parts of the country including remote villages. And when I say remote, it means hours of travel by bus, then those small boats, then walking for may be half an hour.... And then the school.

Those people send their kids because they are provided the lunch at school. None the less, those kids do learn a little bit. They don’t put emphasis on education but in those circumstances, even learning 1,2,3,4 would be considered moderately successful.

This system should yield good results after a decade.

LMAO these Abhiyans are working good on paper only.
Don't get me started on Government policies and their Implemention.

 

[TM Riddle]

Agree that India has traditionally put more emphasis on education, does that filter down to the masses in rural areas? If so, how is it funded?

It does to a certain level but we are still way behind the targets no matter what they show on the paper. See the thing is we have like dozens of policies and programmes on education and after enacting the right to education act of 2009, education has become a fundamental right (means justiciable i.e aggrieved party can directly go to the Supreme Court if they feel they are being denied the right to education).
But even after all this, we lag behind on so many parameters for which the faulty implementation of these programmes is to be blamed. With the measly Budget of only 1.5 percent of GDP, education still remains on bottom ladder when it comes to priorities (in comparison to defence which garner huge chunks of money for itself).

The situation in rural areas is abysmal (improved but still way behind).
How do I know this? Because two of my relatives are district education officers.

 

[UP]

Education in every single country of the world should be free for every child from Grade 1-12. It is a human right for every kid.

Governments should stop their corruption so they can fund this policy.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It does to a certain level but we are still way behind the targets no matter what they show on the paper. See the thing is we have like dozens of policies and programmes on education and after enacting the right to education act of 2009, education has become a fundamental right (means justiciable i.e aggrieved party can directly go to the Supreme Court if they feel they are being denied the right to education).
But even after all this, we lag behind on so many parameters for which the faulty implementation of these programmes is to be blamed. With the measly Budget of only 1.5 percent of GDP, education still remains on bottom ladder when it comes to priorities (in comparison to defence which garner huge chunks of money for itself).

The situation in rural areas is abysmal (improved but still way behind).
How do I know this? Because two of my relatives are district education officers.

You can't underestimate the importance of funds, doesn't matter how well meaning the policies. Here in Britain in the past schools used to provide text books free, these days students often have to find the money themselves as budgets are tightened. Universities rely on funds from foreign students to keep them viable and even with that, British students are now expected to go into debt to pay for further education where not so long ago it was free.

 

[TM Riddle]

You can't underestimate the importance of funds, doesn't matter how well meaning the policies. Here in Britain in the past schools used to provide text books free, these days students often have to find the money themselves as budgets are tightened. Universities rely on funds from foreign students to keep them viable and even with that, British students are now expected to go into debt to pay for further education where not so long ago it was free.

There have been steps in that direction as well.Government recently has approved the formation of HEFA(Higher Education Funding Agency) to give major push for creation of high quality Infrastructure in the educational institutions. It will leverage both public and private sector to raise funds which could be then transferred to all centrally funded higher educational institutions.

It's a start but you are right funding poses a definite challenge and the way things stand right now, it seems to remain that way in the foreseeable future as well.

 

[TM Riddle]

Education in every single country of the world should be free for every child from Grade 1-12. It is a human right for every kid.

Governments should stop their corruption so they can fund this policy.

In India it's free for children aged between 6-14 i.e roughly for grade 1-10.
On paper at least.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Do these private schools follow the same exam pattern of govt schools or follow a different system?

Different pattern.Different dates for exams.Different subject matter.

 

[Itachi]

Agree that India has traditionally put more emphasis on education, does that filter down to the masses in rural areas? If so, how is it funded?

This plan isn't only for rural areas, rather for everyone for the basic education.

The funding varies between the ratio 60:40 to 90:10 between the central govt and the state govt depending upon the financial state of the state. e.g. in my state, it is 90:10.

The teacher also does get good salary around 15000 INR but it is contract basis in most cases as far my knowledge goes.

Since the administration is very strict in this plan, there fore the teachers have to go to however remote it may be. Unemployment rate is high and since 15000 INR is somewhat a good salary to survive in india, most do not want lose the job (there are milions in line if they fall to do their part).

I don't know about the other states but in my state, due to nature of my work, i have to goto remote areas and in what i was surprised was, most teachers are very dedicated. Sometimes they are living in areas without electricity and had to go for solar energy in order to keep contact with the outside world.

In desi culture, more often than not, we criticise the govt but still there are parts in the system who does their part without asking much in return.

Let's face it. If corruption was rampant in every component of the system, every system would have had collapsed. Be it in india, pakistan, bangladesh or any other country, there are few dedicated people who takes up the bigger share of the burden in order to sustain the system.

I actually thought basic education system was also free in pakistan like in india. Is it not?

 

[Itachi]

LMAO these Abhiyans are working good on paper only.
Don't get me started on Government policies and their Implemention.

i actually used to think like that. But having seen with my own eyes, it changed my perception. There will be few who will try to cheat the system. But most have good intention in their heart.