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Johannesburg: Tim Paine has made a statement of intent with his first act as Australia's full-time captain by arranging for his players to shake hands with the South Africans before play in the fourth Test as a sign of goodwill after a bitterly fought series that has left long-lasting damage.

Steve Smith's successor drew praise from South Africa's centurion Aiden Markram for the gesture at the Wanderers, which emphasised Australia's plan to temper the aggression with which they had played before they were forced into painful introspection by the ball-tampering crisis.

'It's been a tough and emotional time for my family', says Warner as he arrives at Sydney Airport, adding that he will need a few days to clear his head before addressing the ball-tampering affair.

Paine said he had come up with the idea of having players shake hands with everyone from the other team, a practice usually reserved for the end of matches in cricket, when he was watching football on South African television.

“I’ve been watching [sports channel] SuperSport this week and they’ve had the soccer on and I notice they do that every game and I thought cricket is the gentleman’s game," he said.

"I spoke to our players about how it was something I wanted to bring in. It’s not something we are going to do every Test match but I think it is not a bad way to start a Test series.
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"I think it’s something that we will use going forward. I just think it’s a good show of sportsmanship and respect."

The series between Australia and South Africa had been one of the ugliest on record even before things went off the cliff least week, leading to the exile of Steve Smith and David Warner for a year and Cameron Bancroft for nine months, and then the resignation of coach Darren Lehmann.

While their rivalry has been anything but friendly over the past month, the Proteas have been left stunned by the downfall of the three Australians and their captain, Faf du Plessis, was happy to take up Paine's conciliatory offer.

"I waited for Faf to come out today and spoke to him and he was happy to do that," Paine said.
"I think he thought it was a good idea and who knows, maybe other sides and South Africa may start to use it as well.

“In this series there has been a lot of water under the bridge and a bit of tension between the two sides. We want to be super competitive but we also want to be respectful of our opposition, so it was important we showed that today. It’s something we want to take forward and if other teams want to do it we’ll do it to start every series."

Paine had walked to the coin toss on Friday without the customary captain's blazer on, reflecting just how fast-moving a week like no other in Australian cricket has been. There had not been time to have one made up for him and sent over.

It mattered not how the 33-year-old was attired, though, as he and the rest of the team set about beginning the healing process.

Speaking for the first time since he was elevated to the full-time captaincy, Paine said the past few days had been "strange and very difficult" for the players that remained.

"It’s just been really challenging for everyone involved. It’s a really stressful time and our thoughts are certainly with our teammates who aren’t here at the moment," he said.

"We’ve had conversations and a lot of coffees with each other talking about what we’re going to do to change and how we’re gonna do that going forward. From all this dark cloud at some stage there is going to be a silver lining and I think all the guys are really keen to be involved in how that looks.

"We’ll look to get through this week and after we go home we've got a fair bit of time off and potentially a new coach to come in and share some ideas. We’ll all sit down and map out how that looks, how we’re going to play."

Australia's players on the ground here had watched Smith's press conference in Sydney on their mobile phones and felt sad and sick. But this was also what they had seen for the previous four days - an inconsolable young man beside himself about what he had done and what he had thrown away.

So concerned were all here for him that there was someone with him at nearly all times.

The welfare of the three players tied up in the ball-tampering scandal has only emerged as a wider concern in the wake of the teary public appearances.

Fortunately, it has been of the utmost importance to team management and others in South Africa.
"I think a few guys watched it and I think it really cut them up, as it did anyone that watched that," Paine said. "You saw how difficult it was and how much not playing for Australia is hurting those guys.

"I think it's really important for us to realise how lucky and privileged we are. We want to make this environment in the Australian cricket team one that people can come in, be themselves and play their cricket to their best of their ability.

"And we want to have that sorted by the time that those guys are ready to come back into this team."
Having provided a sign of things to come, Paine elaborated on the style he planned to lead with, saying he had no intention of being a tyrant.

"I've never been a big believer in the cricket team being the captain’s team. I think that's a bit old school," Paine said.

"I see the captain’s role as being that link between the players and the staff and just a really small privileged role within Cricket Australia.

"It's just one part of the wheel and I'll be trying to be very involving of all my staff, all my players. That's the way I operate best."

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...stralian-cricket-captain-20180331-p4z76i.html
 
Remains to be seen how stop-gap Paine is.

Will he captain until the India series?
 
He looks toothless to be honest. I need the brash, in your face Australia so that beating them is so much more special. This is all so goody goody.
 
He looks toothless to be honest. I need the brash, in your face Australia so that beating them is so much more special. This is all so goody goody.

The problem with Australia is that they lurch from one extreme to another, typically after some kind of bust up like this ball tampering one, or the Symodns controversy in 2008.

They should look across the Tasman and learn from a team like New Zealand. Now those guys play true hard and fair, unlike the pretenders in Australia.
 
Tim Paine as Australia's Misbah ul Haq? A lot of Deja Vu here.

You can say that, only things different are the fact that the ACB are better than the PCB in every way, and Paine will have fair bowling now unlike Misbah's chucker duo of Ajmal and Hafeez
 
Hopefully this is the start of Australia not crossing the line and playing within the spirit of the game.
 
The problem with Australia is that they lurch from one extreme to another, typically after some kind of bust up like this ball tampering one, or the Symodns controversy in 2008.

They should look across the Tasman and learn from a team like New Zealand. Now those guys play true hard and fair, unlike the pretenders in Australia.

What's the point of copying someone. There are only 8 teams that are good enough to play the game at the highest level. If they copy each other, there is no point of international cricket. We need the nice boys NZ and to a certain extent SA. They are everybody's second team. Then we have the charismatic boys, the West Indians, Pakistanis and Indians. We have the sentimental boys BD and SL. And then we had the villains, the Australians. How good is a super hero movie without a villain? They need Mitch Marsh as captain and let's begin some sledging (without crossing that imaginary line ofcourse)
 
Almost forgot the quintessential brides maids, the victims if u will, the english
 
Only issue with how we played was Warner taking things too far. Otherwise it was all fine.

The claim that sledging/tampering are related is extremely dubious and agenda driven and there is no need whatsoever to pay it credence.
 
Almost forgot the quintessential brides maids, the victims if u will, the english

Let's not forget the mini-periods when England become a half decent team: their media in particular is insufferable during those periods.
 
Only issue with how we played was Warner taking things too far. Otherwise it was all fine.

The claim that sledging/tampering are related is extremely dubious and agenda driven and there is no need whatsoever to pay it credence.

Not only fine, it's essential. The USP of Australian teams is aggression on the field. Everybody including Kohli, Pietersen etc were heavily influenced by it. The game is boring without it
 
Let's not forget the mini-periods when England become a half decent team: their media in particular is insufferable during those periods.

Wait for Ind vs Eng bumper ODI series this year. If England win, the world cup fever will start early
 
This isn't normal australian emotions as we know. When you are portraying yourself as the non aggressive when your basic instinct is different, there ought to be some repercussions.
 
Dont think Australian team can mentain this. It's not natural for them. They play hard and dirty and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. A vulture can't just become a dove overnight.
 
For once I would like to have players like Bailey becoming the face of Australian cricket. They can also learn a few things from the Kiwis on how to behave on a cricket field and still be a competitive team.
 
The problem with Australia is that they lurch from one extreme to another, typically after some kind of bust up like this ball tampering one, or the Symodns controversy in 2008.

They should look across the Tasman and learn from a team like New Zealand. Now those guys play true hard and fair, unlike the pretenders in Australia.

Symmonds controversy? You mean when Harbajan Singh racially abused him and lied about it with Tendulkar?
 
Symmonds controversy? You mean when Harbajan Singh racially abused him and lied about it with Tendulkar?

The one. Where Sutherland was happy to throw Symonds (and the whole team for that matter) under the bus and still retain his job a good eleven years later.
 
You mean by the time he is booted out Australia would be number seven in the rankings?

Don't understand the hate for Misbah. He had significant flaws especially as an ODI batsman where he lost us multiple games, but there's no doubt that he brought back respectability to Pakistan's cricket from one of our worst troughs in our history. The way he led our test team, he was a credit to Pakistani cricket.
 
It will be interesting to see how aussie cricket goes from here as they have never seen anything like it.
 
New Aussie approach won't last long: Elgar

Proteas opener Dean Elgar says he can’t see Australia’s new-found approach on the field lasting very long after another grueling day for the tourists in Johannesburg.

In the aftermath of the Cape Town ball-tampering incident, outgoing Australia coach Darren Lehmann and new captain Tim Paine have acknowledged the way the Australians play their cricket and the culture within the national men’s team needs to change.

It’s led to Australia abandoning their aggressive, in-your-face behavior on the field, and while they continue to maintain a competitive approach, there is now next to no banter from the visitors.

Elgar, who admits he enjoys some niggle from the opposition, was one of the key contributors in keeping Australia out on the field for more than 240 overs in this Test and alone frustrated the visitors for more than six hours in the second innings on his way to a glacial 81.

Australia’s extensive time on the field – specifically by their exhausted fast bowlers – has Elgar believing they won’t be able to maintain their new, overtly friendly attitude for much longer.

“I've played quite a few Tests against Australia and it's definitely been the most docile Test since I played Test cricket,” Elgar said after day four at The Wanderers were Australia need a further 524 runs to square the series.

“I'm pretty sure it's not going to last very long.

"I think you've got to have a bit of a tenacious approach sometimes in Test cricket.

“Nice guys come second, that's my saying, so I think you've got to have an element of a little bit of proper fight out there, and sooner or later if your bowlers are clocking massive overs and they're biting their tongue, sooner or later they're going to unleash something.

“There's a lot of frustrations in the game and a lot of frustrations that happen within five days.

“So, it's only human nature for guys to potentially say words to each other but that's fine, if you're not personal and just having a competitive edge on the field, I'm extremely happy with that.”

But Elgar feels for the Australians after a horror week that saw Steve Smith, David Warner and Cameron Bancroft banned and sent home, coach Darren Lehmann resign, three players called up just days before for the final Test and four punishing days in Johannesburg.

" You see guys like (Josh) Hazlewood and (Pat) Cummins and they just keep running in and you've got to tip your hat towards their efforts, no doubt,” he said.

“You've got to tip your hats to the guys who've just come in now and are playing on a really tough wicket to bat on.

“There's a sympathetic way of looking at the last few days and weeks, and we are sympathetic a bit.”

Queensland opener Joe Burns was one of the trio parachuted in for the fourth Test, alongside Bulls teammate Matthew Renshaw and Victoria’s Glenn Maxwell.

Burns was out for 42 on Monday in Australia's pursuit of 612 before the visitors were reduced to 3-88 at stumps.

Despite a heavy loss looming, Burns says there is plenty to play for on Tuesday that doesn’t just relate to the result.

“It’s been a very tough week for the Australian cricket team,” said Burns after play.

“There’s a lot of guys out there in the field really proud to be Australian and proud to be playing cricket for their country.

“Tomorrow’s about coming out and just putting in a good performance for Australia, try and do the country proud and just try and really knuckle down and be proud of our performance tomorrow.

“It’s going to be a grind, it’s day five, last day of a really tough series and there’s a hell of a lot of motivation to do well tomorrow.

“So, it’s exciting to be going into the fifth day.”

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/dea...alia-fourth-test-day-four-sledging/2018-04-03
 
‘We’ve had our head in the sand’: Tim Paine backs calls for genuine change in Australia’s behaviour

A NEW coach and the results of a formal review will dictate how much Australia’s cricket team adjust their behaviour, but captain Tim Paine admits genuine change is needed.

Australia, responding to fierce criticism about their conduct sparked by the cheating scandal, stunned South Africa with their friendly approach in the fourth Test.

There was no sledging or histrionics, while Paine introduced a pre-game handshake with the opposition. It’s a gesture he hopes to make permanent before every series.

Cricket Australia (CA) soon will announce details of an independent review of the team’s culture and conduct, with the expectation being that both cricket and non-cricket figures will be involved.

CA will then turn its attention to appointing Darren Lehmann’s successor, with Justin Langer considered the frontrunner.

Paine, backed as the nation’s long-term captain by CA board member Mark Taylor, says teammates are ready to launch the next generation of Australian cricket.

“We’ve potentially maybe had our head in the sand a little bit over the last 12 months,” Paine told reporters after Australia’s series loss in South Africa. “(Thinking) if we continue to win, we can kind of act and behave how we like and the Australian public will be OK with that.

“What we’ve probably found out in the past month or so is that the Australian public and our fans don’t necessarily like the way we go about it. “It’s pretty simple. We have to listen. We have to take it on board and we have to improve our behaviour.

“I know the guys are certainly on board and it’s something that we’re excited about.”

Proteas opener Dean Elgar questioned whether Australia would maintain their less-hostile approach, quipping that “nice guys come second” and “it’s only human nature for guys to potentially say words”.

Skipper Faf du Plessis was more supportive.

“Their culture is something they’ve spoken about that they would like to change, and that’s good,” du Plessis said.

“If they’ve said it, it means it needs to change.

“Time will tell what sort of effect that will have on their dressing room.”

Paine suggested teammates were committed to better behaviour, confident they could be both competitive and cordial.

“It’s a fine line between being really respectful of opposition and the game and also being at a level that is really competitive, as you should be in Test match cricket,” the Tasmanian said.

“It’s going to be a different style to what a lot of the guys have been used to. “(But) once the new coach comes in and lays down the way he wants us to play as well ... I think we’ll go for it straight away.

“Guys are going to have a chance to have an input.”

http://www.news.com.au/sport/breaki...r/news-story/d6f47a7a2c55f513b1006175b48c9408
 
Good for Paine.

You can want to win and still be a gentleman.
 
Good for Paine.

You can want to win and still be a gentleman.
It makes such a difference having a mature man with life experience taking charge.

I know I’ve always been Tim Paine’s biggest advocate on this forum, but goodness me, he’s sounding all the right notes.
 
Only issue with how we played was Warner taking things too far. Otherwise it was all fine.

The claim that sledging/tampering are related is extremely dubious and agenda driven and there is no need whatsoever to pay it credence.
When Phil Hughes died, the Aussie team and hierarchy pledged to play the game in good spirit.

It wasn’t even three months before Brad Haddin mocked the Kiwis for being “too nice” at the World Cup Final.

The Aussie public is not stupid. They don’t want to be represented by a snarling bunch of bullies.

It’s why Justin Langer is no longer well placed to replace Boof. The public wants the team to be sporting, like every touch footy, hockey and netball team in the country.

They don’t want to be represented by boorish bullies any more.
 
I keep saying they should give Dizzy the job. He’s a gentleman.
 
I keep saying they should give Dizzy the job. He’s a gentleman.
We should have appointed him instead of Bayliss!

TBH, the ideal candidate for Australia may well be Brendon McCullum.

But Gillespie is vastly more suited to the new climate of public opinion than Langer.

Langer is the embodiment of the snarling, sledging win-at-all-costs culture that the Aussie public has totally repudiated.
 
We should have appointed him instead of Bayliss!

TBH, the ideal candidate for Australia may well be Brendon McCullum.

But Gillespie is vastly more suited to the new climate of public opinion than Langer.

Langer is the embodiment of the snarling, sledging win-at-all-costs culture that the Aussie public has totally repudiated.
Brendon McCullum is currently a T20 mercenary,as he said so himself.I doubt he’d be interested in any coaching position right now.
 
As a fan of Paine,it’d be nice to see him captaining Australia until the 2019 Ashes at least.
 
When Phil Hughes died, the Aussie team and hierarchy pledged to play the game in good spirit.

It wasn’t even three months before Brad Haddin mocked the Kiwis for being “too nice” at the World Cup Final.

The Aussie public is not stupid. They don’t want to be represented by a snarling bunch of bullies.

It’s why Justin Langer is no longer well placed to replace Boof. The public wants the team to be sporting, like every touch footy, hockey and netball team in the country.

They don’t want to be represented by boorish bullies any more.

Funny.
I'll ignore the people I talk to in person about it because we're all West Aussies and partial to Langer but the only complaints with the actual cricket fans about Langer taking over is that they think he might be too biased towards WA players.

Justin Langer does not have a bad reputation as a bully or a bad sport in Australia.

Ricky Ponting does not have a bad reputation as a bully or a bad sport in Australia.
 
We should have appointed him instead of Bayliss!

TBH, the ideal candidate for Australia may well be Brendon McCullum.

But Gillespie is vastly more suited to the new climate of public opinion than Langer.

I agree about Dizzy - Bayliss does not seem able to build an effective test side.
 
Funny.
I'll ignore the people I talk to in person about it because we're all West Aussies and partial to Langer but the only complaints with the actual cricket fans about Langer taking over is that they think he might be too biased towards WA players.

Justin Langer does not have a bad reputation as a bully or a bad sport in Australia.

Ricky Ponting does not have a bad reputation as a bully or a bad sport in Australia.
You may be unfamiliar with it, but both Langer and Ponting were notorious bullies with their sledging.

Contemporaneous Source:
https://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/05/29/1022569795699.html

The backlash here is not just against cheating but also sledging and bad sportsmanship.

And as the article shows, Justin Langer is steeped in both.
 
Justin Langer does not have a bad reputation as a bully or a bad sport in Australia.

Ricky Ponting does not have a bad reputation as a bully or a bad sport in Australia.

You may be unfamiliar with it, but both Langer and Ponting were notorious bullies with their sledging.

Contemporaneous Source:
https://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/05/29/1022569795699.html

The backlash here is not just against cheating but also sledging and bad sportsmanship.

And as the article shows, Justin Langer is steeped in both.

So Aussie supporters are either willfully ignorant or they have very high threshold for acceptable behaviour?
 
Although Warner went way over the top, the Aus psyche needs aggression to play well. And that is what i like about the.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] I knew a Mancunian could never be loyal to queen and country! Your recent infatuation with Australia is very disturbing :mv
 
“Grand gesture”? Lol it’s just a handshake. The way some people are going on you’d think the Australian team had just donated a kidney each to a bunch of desperately ill South Africans.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] I knew a Mancunian could never be loyal to queen and country! Your recent infatuation with Australia is very disturbing :mv
I see myself as an English infiltrator in Australia. :)

If you read my posts, I could tell two Tests in advance that Australia was using tools to scuff up one side of the ball.

Fanie De Villiers noticed the exact same thing as me: South Africa was reversing the ball from around the 55th over, presumably using fingernails to gently scratch it.

But Australia was consistently the first team in cricket history to reverse it from 27 or 28 overs onwards.

It was obvious that at Durban and PE - both of which had smooth outfields which didn’t allow the ball to be roughed up for reverse swing - that Australia was keeping the ball shiny for 20 overs, and was then using an external implement to gouge down one side very quickly to enable reverse swing.

I wrote it on this forum. And Fanie De Villiers arrived at the same conclusion, and asked the Super Sport cameramen to zoom out to see what the players were pulling in and out of their pockets.

Either way, now the convicts are in deep do do. Even India will beat their weakened team at home next December!
 
Funny.
I'll ignore the people I talk to in person about it because we're all West Aussies and partial to Langer but the only complaints with the actual cricket fans about Langer taking over is that they think he might be too biased towards WA players.

Justin Langer does not have a bad reputation as a bully or a bad sport in Australia.

Ricky Ponting does not have a bad reputation as a bully or a bad sport in Australia.

Really? Here they are during their playing days
Justin Langer

Ricky Ponting (even more so after the Phil Hughes incident)
 
So Aussie supporters are either willfully ignorant or they have very high threshold for acceptable behaviour?

But they have low threshold for acceptable behavior from their opponents. Lehmann and Warner calling on SA crowds as "disgraceful" :dw
 
But they have low threshold for acceptable behavior from their opponents. Lehmann and Warner calling on SA crowds as "disgraceful" :dw

See I considered de Kock's comments fair game because Warner started the argument and Warner trying to go physical was over the top.

But I still consider South African fans to have been pretty disgraceful by going after his wife, especially since CSA clearly sanctioned it.

Then again the Barmy Army also used to go after Johnson's mother and wife.
 
See I considered de Kock's comments fair game because Warner started the argument and Warner trying to go physical was over the top.

But I still consider South African fans to have been pretty disgraceful by going after his wife, especially since CSA clearly sanctioned it.

Then again the Barmy Army also used to go after Johnson's mother and wife.

That may be so but he asked for it. As they say, "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."
 
Australia captain Tim Paine says team will reduce sledging after ball-tampering scandal

New Australia captain Tim Paine says the team will reduce their levels of sledging under his leadership.

Paine replaced Steve Smith as Australia skipper after Smith was banned for his part in the ball-tampering scandal.

Australia have also been criticised for an aggressive on-field approach and Cricket Australia launched a review into the team's culture.

"I think what's said and how it's said will be very different going forward," wicketkeeper Paine, 33, said.

"A lot of this stuff we were actually starting to speak about under Steve [Smith's captaincy]."

Smith and vice-captain David Warner were given year-long bans by Cricket Australia and batsman Cameron Bancroft a nine-month suspension after admitting to being involved in ball tampering during last month's Test series defeat by South Africa.

Paine said he will continue to speak to Smith "quite closely" about the team's change in culture and will "keep him in the loop".

Asked if sledging will remain a part of the Australian team's tactics, Paine said: "No, I don't think it will, not a lot.

"I think there's always a time and a place to talk to your opposition, but I think what's said and how it's said will be very different going forward."

Australia do not play another Test until October when they face Pakistan while their next fixtures are a one-day international series against England in June.

"I'm really looking forward to playing that role and winning back the trust and respect of our fans and the Australian public first and foremost," added Paine.

"I don't think it's as disastrous as it's been made out. We've had this incident which has brought everything to a head.

"During the Ashes there wasn't a lot said about our culture and looking back it's just a few little things we can tweak and do a little bit better as a team.

"If we do that then I think the Australian public will jump back on board pretty quickly. That's one of our main aims for this coming summer."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43820996
 
One of the reasons people enjoyed seeing Warner and Smith in tears is because they don't come across as the nicest people on the pitch so it was kind of karma. Let's see if Australia tone down sledging.
 
Seems like a smart move,if they even try to sledge now other teams would probably remind them how their captain and star players were cheats.
 
I am not sure how I feel about this: the pendulum should not swing too far in the other direction.
 
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