Time for the players to step up, take responsibility and perform for Pakistan

[TalhaSyed]

Going around this forum, you would think the Pakistani team sheet read:

1. Inzamam ul Haq
2. Sarfraz Ahmed (C) *
3. Grant Flower
4. Micky Arthur
5. Azhar Mahmood
6. Inzamam ul Haq
7. Sarfraz Ahmed
8. Grant Flower
9. Micky Arthur
10. Azhar Mahmood
11. Inzamam ul Haq

It is absolutely ridiculous!

Let's get some things straight:

The Selection

These are our best players. Fact. You may not like it - but that's the bottom line.

The only player who may have been hard done by to miss out was Usman - however, we had to limit our squad to 15 so someone had to miss out. Their is no secret tree on which fast bowlers and world class batsmen grow in Pakistan where the selectors could go and pick a few off.

No - selecting tried and tested failures like Ahmed Shezad or the Akmal brothers would not have helped this team - there is a reason they have earned the reputation of being tried and tested failures.

This is it. This is our best team whether you like it or not.

The Captaincy

Sarfraz is far from a perfect captain. However - a few things to note here.

We can either take a massive step backwards and give someone like Hafeez or Malik captaincy, or....well there is no or...Sarfraz is our best choice.

More importantly - Sarfraz is not bowling half trackers, Sarfraz is not bowling short and wide hit me balls, Sarfraz is not forcing the other batsmen to play rubbish shots and not rotate the strike etc. etc. etc.

Don't get me wrong - their is alot Sarfraz can do to improve his own game and captaincy, however, blaming him because the other 10 players in the team look clueless is absolutely ridiculous.

The Coaching Staff

Again - Azhar Mahmood is not bowling on the field.

Grant Flower is not batting on the field.

Micky Arthur is not the one looking like he wants to be anywhere else in the world - other than the cricket field.

These are international players and it's not the managements job to teach these guys how to play cricket. If these players are disinterested and don't show any passion - it is not the coaching staffs job to get them pumped up. If you don't have passion to play for your nation in the world cup then what the hell are you doing in this profession?!?

The coaching staff are their to strategize and come up with tactics - however, if the players are not even executing the basics correctly - you can forget about strategy and tactic.

The players

Now - let's come onto the real issue here - the players.

I am sorry - I know this will annoy alot of posters on here, specially after the performance yesterday against West Indies - but I believe in every single one of these players. Every single one of these players has proven at one stage or another what they are capable of and what they can do.

The problem is - so far we have been seeing what they have been doing and it is simply no where near what they are capable of doing. The players need to take responsibility for their own game and get their own heads on straight. Until that happens you can bring any selector, any captain and any coach - the team will fail.

This is the time.

This is the time for the team to rise up.

I'm talking about the 25 players who will actually take to the field in this tournament inshallah and not the back room staff and people back in Lahore at the PCB HQ.

Forget the past 12 months and forget the dreadful results we have had to endure.

It's time to look forward, and for our players to look to fulfil their potential.

This is an opportunity for the players to immortalise themselves in the Pakistani cricket Hall of Fame and they have to realise that.

This is a once in a life time opportunity for many of these players and they have to look to realise that.

These players are representing millions of Pakistanis around the world and they need to realise that.

I refuse to believe that this is the best these players can do because I have seen them all perform far far better than this. If anyone says otherwise they are either lying or they have a memory of a gold fish.

It's time for us to back this team and more importantly it's time for this team to back themselves.

Stop hiding behind the captain, selectors and management and look to make a name for yourself. Step into the spot light and make this moment yours. Just like Wasim did in 92, Afridi did in 09 and Hassan & Fakhar did in 17.

It's time these players gain an appreciation of the enormity of the task at hand, regain their focus and look to step up and perform for Pakistan.

 

[Abdullah]

Thanks Talha. Good post
I needed this.
Come on you greens!!

 

[Pete Rose]

Evergreen comment when it comes Pakistan cricket

 

[QalandarFan]

This "performance" if we can call it that against the West Indies is just too much to handle.

 

[hur rizvi]

Give your best effort guys

We don’t as long as you are fighting through out the match

 

[MenInG]

Going around this forum, you would think the Pakistani team sheet read:

1. Inzamam ul Haq
2. Sarfraz Ahmed (C) *
3. Grant Flower
4. Micky Arthur
5. Azhar Mahmood
6. Inzamam ul Haq
7. Sarfraz Ahmed
8. Grant Flower
9. Micky Arthur
10. Azhar Mahmood
11. Inzamam ul Haq

It is absolutely ridiculous!

Let's get some things straight:

The Selection

These are our best players. Fact. You may not like it - but that's the bottom line.

The only player who may have been hard done by to miss out was Usman - however, we had to limit our squad to 15 so someone had to miss out. Their is no secret tree on which fast bowlers and world class batsmen grow in Pakistan where the selectors could go and pick a few off.

No - selecting tried and tested failures like Ahmed Shezad or the Akmal brothers would not have helped this team - there is a reason they have earned the reputation of being tried and tested failures.

This is it. This is our best team whether you like it or not.

The Captaincy

Sarfraz is far from a perfect captain. However - a few things to note here.

We can either take a massive step backwards and give someone like Hafeez or Malik captaincy, or....well there is no or...Sarfraz is our best choice.

More importantly - Sarfraz is not bowling half trackers, Sarfraz is not bowling short and wide hit me balls, Sarfraz is not forcing the other batsmen to play rubbish shots and not rotate the strike etc. etc. etc.

Don't get me wrong - their is alot Sarfraz can do to improve his own game and captaincy, however, blaming him because the other 10 players in the team look clueless is absolutely ridiculous.

The Coaching Staff

Again - Azhar Mahmood is not bowling on the field.

Grant Flower is not batting on the field.

Micky Arthur is not the one looking like he wants to be anywhere else in the world - other than the cricket field.

These are international players and it's not the managements job to teach these guys how to play cricket. If these players are disinterested and don't show any passion - it is not the coaching staffs job to get them pumped up. If you don't have passion to play for your nation in the world cup then what the hell are you doing in this profession?!?

The coaching staff are their to strategize and come up with tactics - however, if the players are not even executing the basics correctly - you can forget about strategy and tactic.

The players

Now - let's come onto the real issue here - the players.

I am sorry - I know this will annoy alot of posters on here, specially after the performance yesterday against West Indies - but I believe in every single one of these players. Every single one of these players has proven at one stage or another what they are capable of and what they can do.

The problem is - so far we have been seeing what they have been doing and it is simply no where near what they are capable of doing. The players need to take responsibility for their own game and get their own heads on straight. Until that happens you can bring any selector, any captain and any coach - the team will fail.

This is the time.

This is the time for the team to rise up.

I'm talking about the 25 players who will actually take to the field in this tournament inshallah and not the back room staff and people back in Lahore at the PCB HQ.

Forget the past 12 months and forget the dreadful results we have had to endure.

It's time to look forward, and for our players to look to fulfil their potential.

This is an opportunity for the players to immortalise themselves in the Pakistani cricket Hall of Fame and they have to realise that.

This is a once in a life time opportunity for many of these players and they have to look to realise that.

These players are representing millions of Pakistanis around the world and they need to realise that.

I refuse to believe that this is the best these players can do because I have seen them all perform far far better than this. If anyone says otherwise they are either lying or they have a memory of a gold fish.

It's time for us to back this team and more importantly it's time for this team to back themselves.

Stop hiding behind the captain, selectors and management and look to make a name for yourself. Step into the spot light and make this moment yours. Just like Wasim did in 92, Afridi did in 09 and Hassan & Fakhar did in 17.

It's time these players gain an appreciation of the enormity of the task at hand, regain their focus and look to step up and perform for Pakistan.

Time for talking is done.

We have plenty of time to fix our issues but we didnt.

 

[Ahmed216]

They are just not capable. Look at their performances over the last 2 years and you'll see theres no substance to threads such as these

 

[sshakir411]

Nope, we're losing because Sarfraz speaks like he's handicapped and does not posses the cool straight hair comb-over that the likes of Faheem and Afridi sported. Babar is our future captain and Mickey, Inzi, Grant, and Azhar are incompetent individuals who don't know jack and are just collecting fat pay checks.

Sincerely,
99% of Pakistani awaaaam.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I'm sorry OP. I'm positive most of the time, but this is too much to bear even for someone like me. These players just don't want to win. It's clear from their body language.

 

[Destroyer88]

Are we dismissive of Pakistan already?

Yes its been a demoralising defeat, yes as fans our frustrations are justified, yes this team needs to get torn out and about after all this the pakistani team, OUR PAKISTANI team and we as fans have invested so much time year in year out, whether its social media, buying tickets, subscriptions etc we do have the right to criticise them publicly BUT my question is based on our game yesterday, are we too early to be discarding Pakistan? Are we this Bad? Have we got no confidence at all? after watching years of the green shirts playing we can all agree that no one has ever predicted what Pakistan side will turn up?

Statistically this has been our worst run of form, yes looking at the stats bowling wise we are nowhere near the top teams to qualify for the semis, but this is the same team that has always pulled itself up from such heart breaks.

Most pundits dont give Pakistan a chance of qualifying to the knockouts, the new unpredictable for the cricketing genre is now the west indies. It seems to me that even the cricket pundits do not consider us as mercurial anymore something which has been associated with us since day 1. Are we fans still blind not too see the obvious something which the pundits are already aware or maybe its a matter on one win against a top side that will turn the tables around! who knows

My personal feeling this time is that looking at the current state, the body language of the players, the captain's emotions during press conferences and his decision making, it seems that this entire bunch and coaching staff have resigned to defeat i.e the players are waiting for the worldcup to get over and return back. There seems to be no jazba at the moment besides individual scores. Md aamir, it was delightful to see him back in the wickets column but also disheartening to see him celebrating when we all knew that the game was long lost (again this is my opinion). Imam, Haris seem to be fighting for their places and individual scores. They seem to be a superstar in their own mind while the team is not a priority. Is the first time we are seeing players play for their own records and selfishness?

Also as a personal assessment I believe our captain is not a strong figure, when the going gets tough very seldom we may find him playing counter innings or making decisions, in the past we had captains who would step up when the going got tough.

So for me I dont think Pak will make it but on the other hand if Pak can manage to play fearless cricket (no fear of losing anymore) and play passionately for Pakistan first, change their approach (batting order etc), try asif ali as 1 down and babar azam as an opener along with fakhar, let the bowlers bowl with freedom and pure pace. I am absolutely certain that this team will bounce back but with Inzi being around and asking imam to be dropped out will be considered blasphemy

What do you all think about our reaction and should we as fans still keep our hopes high, are we right in our judgement to dismiss them already after seeing such farce last night. Do we thing that this bunch of average players can pull it off one more time?

 

[Usman Chadda]

No, they can't.

They got mauled by a team which had to qualify for this tournament. Every individual in this team is the definition of beghairat, and they deserve all the abuse they receive.

 

[Qadeer]

woke up 5 AM drove 3 hours to get to nottingham then stood nearly 2 hours in the queue to get tickets, finally when we entered the ground pakistan was 6 down and next half hour all team was gone game was over before 2...drove back for 3 hours...seen many defeats but none like this the players dont look interested in the game hands in pockets or behind back as if its a street game..fans dont mind loosing but come on yar atleast show some fight...( :

 

[Destroyer88]

woke up 5 AM drove 3 hours to get to nottingham then stood nearly 2 hours in the queue to get tickets, finally when we entered the ground pakistan was 6 down and next half hour all team was gone game was over before 2...drove back for 3 hours...seen many defeats but none like this the players dont look interested in the game hands in pockets or behind back as if its a street game..fans dont mind loosing but come on yar atleast show some fight...( :

feel for you mate, i would have run down the pitch screaming at each one them

 

[TalhaSyed]

Great to see a couple of positive comments in this typical sea of negativity we are so use to seeing form Pakistani fans.

Inshallah will be interesting to see what these "it's all over, this is the end of Pakistani cricket, we shoil surrender and come home now, let's just quit now" fans will have to say if inshallah we get a win or two over the new Big 3 in he next few games.

Let's see which of these fans jump on the bandwagon and act like they never doubted the team for a second and which of these fans go into hiding waiting for our team to slip up.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Thanks Talha. Good post
I needed this.
Come on you greens!!

Thank you Abdullah - glad to see you back the team alhumdullilah

 

[TalhaSyed]

Give your best effort guys

We don’t as long as you are fighting through out the match

Yup absolutely. As long as the team give 100% and leave everything they have out on the field - that's all we as fans can ask for.

Jeeto ya haaro - humme tum se pyar hai.

Quitting I'd the easy option. Many fans - as can be seen in this thread alone - have already taken the easy option. Inshallah our players won't do this and will bounce back.

It's ironic that so many our "fans" are incapable of backing the team 100%, yet they get so worked up when they think the players aren't giving 100%

 

[Hasan]

Excellent opening post. The problem is confidence or rather lack of it. The team needs the cornered tiger spirit, loose their fear of the media and the fans (their criticism should be ignored even at the best of times) and play without inhibition and fear. Fear of loosing will always result in defeats.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Yup absolutely. As long as the team give 100% and leave everything they have out on the field - that's all we as fans can ask for.

Jeeto ya haaro - humme tum se pyar hai.

Quitting I'd the easy option. Many fans - as can be seen in this thread alone - have already taken the easy option. Inshallah our players won't do this and will bounce back.

It's ironic that so many our "fans" are incapable of backing the team 100%, yet they get so worked up when they think the players aren't giving 100%

Most of us, who are usually optimistic and have a 'false sense of confidence', are really trying hard to stay positive. But yesterday's performance literally thumped us and resigned us to Pakistan's fate in this World Cup.

Then again, I have seen a few comments from fans who had a nightmare day at the ground yesterday, yet continue to back the team. Salute to you guys

I hope the boys turn it around.

 

[Savak]

I am confused by the OP. Is he completly discrediting the role of the captain in uplifting the moral of the team?

If Sarfaraz Ahmed was the captain of the 92 WC team what would have happened?

If Imran Khan was the captain of the current WC team what would he do differently?

The answers to these questions will tell you everything. Having an excellent captain makes a world of a difference in this sport

 

[Kroll]

I'm pretty sure if we had given chances to a few other players or developed them better, then we would have better players than Malik and Hafeez. These guys have been around for 15-20 years. That's at least 4 previous world cups. The middle order is non existent hence the reason for the type of batting we saw in the last game.

Also, there would be no need for resorting back to TTFs like Wahab Riaz immediately before the tournament begins. Still going to back what we have got but could be so much better if PCB took the responsibility and planned better. Perfect example is England, look how far they have come since their flop WC15 campaign.

 

[Chokli]

Good thread mate but Pakistan cricket is finished, these are just the last rites being performed

 

[szundercover]

At least Pakistan should put up a fight.They should fight with nothing to loose mentality and play freely.If this mindset is adopted I am certain that our team will do well .

 

[Captain caveman]

Let fakhar and asif ali open the batting! Lets fight fire with fire!
Play amir, wahab and hasnain. With strict orders for hasnain and wahab to bowl loads of bouncers and yorkers.
Iron cuts iron.
Lets fight like men and perish if needs be like men!
PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!

 

[TalhaSyed]

I am confused by the OP. Is he completly discrediting the role of the captain in uplifting the moral of the team?

If Sarfaraz Ahmed was the captain of the 92 WC team what would have happened?

If Imran Khan was the captain of the current WC team what would he do differently?

The answers to these questions will tell you everything. Having an excellent captain makes a world of a difference in this sport

If you read the OP you will see that it clearly states that Sarfraz isn't the perfect captain and has much to improve. However, he cannot be blamed for the bowlers dishing up pies, the batsmen play irresponsible shots and not being able to rotate the strike and the fielders making basic errors.

Of course the captain has a big role to play in a cricket team. However, that role cannot really even be questioned if the team can't do the basics right.

 

[Chokli]

If you read the OP you will see that it clearly states that Sarfraz isn't the perfect captain and has much to improve. However, he cannot be blamed for the bowlers dishing up pies, the batsmen play irresponsible shots and not being able to rotate the strike and the fielders making basic errors.

Of course the captain has a big role to play in a cricket team. However, that role cannot really even be questioned if the team can't do the basics right.

He should lead from the front first.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Most of us, who are usually optimistic and have a 'false sense of confidence', are really trying hard to stay positive. But yesterday's performance literally thumped us and resigned us to Pakistan's fate in this World Cup.

Then again, I have seen a few comments from fans who had a nightmare day at the ground yesterday, yet continue to back the team. Salute to you guys

I hope the boys turn it around.

Yup - the way I see it is if you have given up on the team - why are you still here?

Cricket is a hobby and something we all chose to follow voluntarily.

I don't understand why someone would invest time and effort in something they are hopeless about.

 

[TalhaSyed]

He should lead from the front first.

If you are judging Sarfraz as a player - then yes - he also needs to improve just like every one else in that squad since none of the players in squad are performing anywhere near their potential.

If you are judging Sarfraz as a captain - then it's being a bit ridiculous since the players aren't doing the basics right and therefore blaming the captain for the teams loss is hiding a bigger problem.

There are tons of posters on here who have been anti Sarfraz since day one and in typical peyndu fashion that is their one and only agenda. We can drop 10 catches in a match, the bowlers can bowl short and wide or half volleys, the batsmen can forget how to rotate the strike an splay irresponsible shots - but they will still blame Sarfraz's captaincy.

Typical example of people missing the bigger picture because they are too busy preaching their own agenda.

 

[Savak]

If you read the OP you will see that it clearly states that Sarfraz isn't the perfect captain and has much to improve. However, he cannot be blamed for the bowlers dishing up pies, the batsmen play irresponsible shots and not being able to rotate the strike and the fielders making basic errors.

Of course the captain has a big role to play in a cricket team. However, that role cannot really even be questioned if the team can't do the basics right.

A great captain can make an average bunch punch above their weight. In crisis and confusion, the team looks to the captain for direction. If the captains body language is defeatist and clueless it permeates to the team.

If Imran Khan was leading this team, he would be absolutely clear strategically and what he wanted and expected out of each player and also guiding the bowlers ball to ball standing at mid off and mid on

 

[Chokli]

If you are judging Sarfraz as a player - then yes - he also needs to improve just like every one else in that squad since none of the players in squad are performing anywhere near their potential.

Yes but if our captain is performing even worse than some of the players then what authority can he have over the rest of the players to put them in line?

If you are judging Sarfraz as a captain - then it's being a bit ridiculous since the players aren't doing the basics right and therefore blaming the captain for the teams loss is hiding a bigger problem.

Same thing used to happen when Misbah was around too. The only difference was Misbah used to lead from the front and he didn't have a talented bunch like Sarfraz has, Misbah had to deal with the likes of Younis, Shehzad, Maqsood, Akmal, Shafiq etc. The current lot is much better than the lot Misbah used to play with and we were never this bad, we were bad but not THIS bad. It's an absolute travesty when we have a good bunch of players but we're not getting maximum output from them, it's the team managements fault and the captains. Sarfraz can't even do the basics right himself how is he going to light a fire up his teams rear end when there's one that needs to be lit up in his own rear?

There are tons of posters on here who have been anti Sarfraz since day one and in typical peyndu fashion that is their one and only agenda. We can drop 10 catches in a match, the bowlers can bowl short and wide or half volleys, the batsmen can forget how to rotate the strike an splay irresponsible shots - but they will still blame Sarfraz's captaincy.

Typical example of people missing the bigger picture because they are too busy preaching their own agenda.

When he doesn't have any performances to back himself up then the only thing left is captaincy, if he can't even do that right then what's even the point of him being in the side?

 

[TalhaSyed]

A great captain can make an average bunch punch above their weight. In crisis and confusion, the team looks to the captain for direction. If the captains body language is defeatist and clueless it permeates to the team.

If Imran Khan was leading this team, he would be absolutely clear strategically and what he wanted and expected out of each player and also guiding the bowlers ball to ball standing at mid off and mid on

So our poor run of results is because Sarfraz hasn't given up the gloves and moved to mid off where he can talk to the bowlers when our pacers are struggling to bowl above 80mph?

Or is it because Sarfraz isn't telling the bowlers what to do every ball when the spinners are bowling hit-me half trackers?

Or are these defeats because Sarfraz isn't going out with the drinks every over to tell the batsmen how to batsmen not to play irresponsible shots and look to rotate the strike?

Or is it because Sarfraz is showing too much passion and anger on the field? Or is the problem now that he is showing too little?

I'm sorry - but you blaming the captain for the players playinh crap cricket is the biggest cop out ever. As I said in the OP - strategy and knowing your role in the team goes out the window if you can't do the basics right.

It's time for all the players - including Sarfraz - to step up, get their head on straight and do the basics right. And then AFTER that we can judge if Sarfraz's and the managements strategy is being planned properly.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Yes but if our captain is performing even worse than some of the players then what authority can he have over the rest of the players to put them in line?

Same thing used to happen when Misbah was around too. The only difference was Misbah used to lead from the front and he didn't have a talented bunch like Sarfraz has, Misbah had to deal with the likes of Younis, Shehzad, Maqsood, Akmal, Shafiq etc. The current lot is much better than the lot Misbah used to play with and we were never this bad, we were bad but not THIS bad. It's an absolute travesty when we have a good bunch of players but we're not getting maximum output from them, it's the team managements fault and the captains. Sarfraz can't even do the basics right himself how is he going to light a fire up his teams rear end when there's one that needs to be lit up in his own rear?

When he doesn't have any performances to back himself up then the only thing left is captaincy, if he can't even do that right then what's even the point of him being in the side?

Ok let me as you a simple question - who should be captain instead and why?

Which other player in the whole of Pakistan has proven that he has this magic ability that if he is captain - even if we can't bowl, bat or field properly - he will still win us matches?

Stop fixating on the captaincy and look to fix the actual problem at hand

 

[dhump]

We can scream positivity as loud as we like to, but it will not change the fact that this group of the player is mediocre and no world beaters. They are already performing to the limits they are just not good enough at this level, neither physically nor mentally.

you can look at the teams like England and can see the effort they put in the ground and how mentally healthy they are our players looks like mental midgets in front of these world-class players.

 

[Chokli]

Ok let me as you a simple question - who should be captain instead and why?

Which other player in the whole of Pakistan has proven that he has this magic ability that if he is captain - even if we can't bowl, bat or field properly - he will still win us matches?

Stop fixating on the captaincy and look to fix the actual problem at hand

Nobody is capable of being a leader in this team Sarfaraz included.

The only option is Imad but even his place in the team is questionable.

The captain is one of the main problems in the team when he's been included in the side despite not scoring runs and hiding down the order.

His job should be to get maximum output from his players, I don't know how anyone can justify bowling Shadab in the penultimate over versus Afghanistan when we had a glimmer of a chance to win the match. And that is just one example I can give you many more where he snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

He is clueless and a passenger in the team and only good for yelling at the players.

 

[Usman Chadda]

We can scream positivity as loud as we like to, but it will not change the fact that this group of the player is mediocre and no world beaters. They are already performing to the limits they are just not good enough at this level, neither physically nor mentally.

you can look at the teams like England and can see the effort they put in the ground and how mentally healthy they are our players looks like mental midgets in front of these world-class players.

They are under-performing. I'm as angry as the other Pakistani supporter, but 105 in 21 overs against West Indies is not a fair reflection of our abilities.

 

[TalhaSyed]

We can scream positivity as loud as we like to, but it will not change the fact that this group of the player is mediocre and no world beaters. They are already performing to the limits they are just not good enough at this level, neither physically nor mentally.

you can look at the teams like England and can see the effort they put in the ground and how mentally healthy they are our players looks like mental midgets in front of these world-class players.

That's where you are wrong.

The top 3 average above 50

We have seen what the likes of Wahab, Amir & Amir are capable of over the years.

Shadab hasnt been given a proper run yet.

Asif proved against England what he is capable of.

Hafeez with the ball and Malik with the bat have performed nowhere near their best.

C'mon bro - you know all that.

This team of "non world beaters" is majority the same team which neat the world 2 years ago.

Don't give me this rubbish about "this is the best cricket this team can play".

 

[TalhaSyed]

Nobody is capable of being a leader in this team Sarfaraz included.

The only option is Imad but even his place in the team is questionable.

The captain is one of the main problems in the team when he's been included in the side despite not scoring runs and hiding down the order.

His job should be to get maximum output from his players, I don't know how anyone can justify bowling Shadab in the penultimate over versus Afghanistan when we had a glimmer of a chance to win the match. And that is just one example I can give you many more where he snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

He is clueless and a passenger in the team and only good for yelling at the players.

Haha ok so no one in the team - or in the whole country for that matter - is playing good enough cricket to be the captain....yet someone how the current captain is the reason we are struggling to win games?

Ok - cool - got it.

 

[TalhaSyed]

They are under-performing. I'm as angry as the other Pakistani supporter, but 105 in 21 overs against West Indies is not a fair reflection of our abilities.

Yup absolutely!

Every single one of the quitters on this forum know this but they find it easier to quit rather than back the team and risk getting hurt

 

[Chokli]

Haha ok so no one in the team - or in the whole country for that matter - is playing good enough cricket to be the captain....yet someone how the current captain is the reason we are struggling to win games?

Ok - cool - got it.

Sarfaraz has been playing the role of a captain since his Under 19 days.

With all of that experience gained in all those years he still can't get his team to play to their potential? Actually even with all those years of experience as captain he still doesn't know a captain has to lead from the front and have that spark that helps other players lift their game.

All this guy does is yell at others for making mistakes yet doesn't take a minute to look in the mirror.

 

[Chokli]

That's where you are wrong.

The top 3 average above 50

Yet those runs have been impact less, the only runs I can think of are Imam's 80 odd versus Afghanistan which saved us from defeat.

We have seen what the likes of Wahab, Amir & Amir are capable of over the years.

Wahab is famous for getting smashed and having one of the highest economies amongst Pakistani bowlers ever but yes he is a proven World Cup performer. Hopefully he can prove his worth this time around, Amir is a shell of his former self and is best someone who can play supporting cast type of role.

Shadab hasnt been given a proper run yet.

Been in the team for two years now, that is a proper run.

Asif proved against England what he is capable of.

Yes 50 odd and then out, these don't win you matches.

Hafeez with the ball and Malik with the bat have performed nowhere near their best.

Hafeez was only good with the ball before his ban, not sure how you can expect him to be the same without chucking? Malik is a bat has never performed in England since 2001.

C'mon bro - you know all that.

This team of "non world beaters" is majority the same team which neat the world 2 years ago.

Don't give me this rubbish about "this is the best cricket this team can play".

Fluke victory.

 

[TalhaSyed]

[MENTION=147429]Chokli[/MENTION] - your above to posts are a direct contradiction of one another.

In one you are saying Sarfraz is to balls for the loss because he is incapable of getting the players to play to their potential.

In the second you are going through all the players and basically saying they aren't any better then what they showed against West Indies.

Which one is it?

 

[AdamM97]

Sarfaraz has been playing the role of a captain since his Under 19 days.

With all of that experience gained in all those years he still can't get his team to play to their potential? Actually even with all those years of experience as captain he still doesn't know a captain has to lead from the front and have that spark that helps other players lift their game.

All this guy does is yell at others for making mistakes yet doesn't take a minute to look in the mirror.

Summed it up perfectly

 

[Chokli]

[MENTION=147429]Chokli[/MENTION] - your above to posts are a direct contradiction of one another.

In one you are saying Sarfraz is to balls for the loss because he is incapable of getting the players to play to their potential.

In the second you are going through all the players and basically saying they aren't any better then what they showed against West Indies.

Which one is it?

It's again about maximising the output from each player. They'll still lose but will at least give a little bit of a challenge instead of capitulating, too bad the captain can't get his team to do that.

 

[dhump]

That's where you are wrong.

The top 3 average above 50

We have seen what the likes of Wahab, Amir & Amir are capable of over the years.

Shadab hasnt been given a proper run yet.

Asif proved against England what he is capable of.

Hafeez with the ball and Malik with the bat have performed nowhere near their best.

C'mon bro - you know all that.

This team of "non world beaters" is majority the same team which neat the world 2 years ago.

Don't give me this rubbish about "this is the best cricket this team can play".

I will respectfully disagree with you Talha & [MENTION=1650]Usman Chadda[/MENTION] they are not underperforming they are just playing against quality sides who have prepared themselves for the mega event. The writing was on the wall during the last two series these averages of 50 odd gives no indication of ground realities runs scored in many previous games resulted in nothing but defeat these players were scoring with lesser rates than the competition required. Aamir and Wahab, they are past their prime years, and Wahab only had one or two proper ODI's in his career (one vs. India and another vs. Australia)

I am okay with you keeping positivity and expecting something from these players, but you simply ignored my point of their physical and mental limitations, and these things play a significant part in mega-events like the World Cup. Yes they won the champions trophy two years ago by playing 3 good games in a row they can probably play three or four good games here again, but that will not change the reality that Pakistan is a horrible ODI team for last many years and they have improved nothing.

 

[hasanali22]

I really support your sentiment Talha, but this was a demoralizing performance. I have tickets to the game against england at Trent Bridge but no longer want to go see it. A net runrate of -5.8 means we have almost ended this tournament for ourselves before it has even started. I would like to believe many better performances are to come. Sri Lanka got hammered by New Zealand but not as badly as we did. Afghanistan managed to score 200 against Australia, but we couldnt even manage 150 against WI

 

[TalhaSyed]

It's again about maximising the output from each player. They'll still lose but will at least give a little bit of a challenge instead of capitulating, too bad the captain can't get his team to do that.

Haha the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long time.

You have just said that Sarfraz is doing a job which no one else deserves doing or is capable of doing yet you think he is the sole reason for our defeats.

Fans like you are allowing the 14 other players in the squad to get off Scott free and put all the blame on Sarfraz and the captaincy....yet you wonder why we aren't improving.

Just out of curiosity mate - what does it mean for someone "to get the best out of their team"? How should Sarfraz or anyone else for that matter go about getting "the best out of their players"?

 

[TalhaSyed]

I will respectfully disagree with you Talha & [MENTION=1650]Usman Chadda[/MENTION] they are not underperforming they are just playing against quality sides who have prepared themselves for the mega event. The writing was on the wall during the last two series these averages of 50 odd gives no indication of ground realities runs scored in many previous games resulted in nothing but defeat these players were scoring with lesser rates than the competition required. Aamir and Wahab, they are past their prime years, and Wahab only had one or two proper ODI's in his career (one vs. India and another vs. Australia)

I am okay with you keeping positivity and expecting something from these players, but you simply ignored my point of their physical and mental limitations, and these things play a significant part in mega-events like the World Cup. Yes they won the champions trophy two years ago by playing 3 good games in a row they can probably play three or four good games here again, but that will not change the reality that Pakistan is a horrible ODI team for last many years and they have improved nothing.

So one one hand you are saying they are capable of playing a few good games and beatinv teams like SA, SL, England and India - like they did in 2017 - and on the other hand you are saying we saw the best this team could do when they were blown away by West Indies....which one is it?

 

[Chokli]

Haha the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long time.

That's rich from someone trying to take the blame away from Sarfraz who has been groomed for a long time for a position like this. You think it's a joke to be a captain of a national Cricket team? That's certainly what it looks like when you have a person like Sarfraz at the helm.

You have just said that Sarfraz is doing a job which no one else deserves doing or is capable of doing yet you think he is the sole reason for our defeats.

Yes because he has experience as a captain and should know what HIS teams strengths and weaknesses are since he's been doing this ever since he was a teenager, he's won an Under 19 WC and a CT Champions Trophy 2017, surely someone capable of that should be able to do much more as a captain? Surely for someone playing as long as he has (as captain) should be able to have some match awareness and good tactical awareness since he's gone through so many different match situations.

He has the best position on the field being behind the batsmen and seeing where his bowlers bowl. If he had even an iota of cricketing knowledge don't you think he could give a few pointers to where a bowler should bowl to a certain batsmen, where the best fielders should be placed on the field? What the weakness of a batsman is? What the weakness of his own bowlers and fielders are so he could think of a way to cover them up or minimise whatever effect the weakness could have towards the match?

Just out of curiosity mate - what does it mean for someone "to get the best out of their team"? How should Sarfraz or anyone else for that matter go about getting "the best out of their players"?

Have basic cricketing knowledge.

 

[taqi]

Awesome post and too the point.

It’s players they need to step up if they don’t world cup failures can finish careers prematurely

 

[Titan24]

By the way how are we so sure that minds like Graham Flower and Azhar Mehmood who have no coaching achievements even in their domestic careers are creating the right strategies. Are they good enough to modify the strategies according to the strengths and weaknesses of the players they have.

If Mickey was doing the job well and it was all Australian players fault then why was he sacked.

If after losing 11 ODI matches in a row you cant put the blame on captain and coaches than I think they should be given life time contracts. I dont know why other teams change there captains and coaches as clearly according to the logic we are discussing its always the players in the ground not performing properly.

It was individual brilliance of 2-3 players in CT 17 otherwise we havent performed as a team for almost 2-3 years now.

 

[ManFan]

Deserved treatment for making terrible selections.

It’s not a dry summer like 17’ so I don’t expect our bowling to save us this time.

 

[TalhaSyed]

That's rich from someone trying to take the blame away from Sarfraz who has been groomed for a long time for a position like this. You think it's a joke to be a captain of a national Cricket team? That's certainly what it looks like when you have a person like Sarfraz at the helm.


Yes because he has experience as a captain and should know what HIS teams strengths and weaknesses are since he's been doing this ever since he was a teenager, he's won an Under 19 WC and a CT Champions Trophy 2017, surely someone capable of that should be able to do much more as a captain? Surely for someone playing as long as he has (as captain) should be able to have some match awareness and good tactical awareness since he's gone through so many different match situations.

He has the best position on the field being behind the batsmen and seeing where his bowlers bowl. If he had even an iota of cricketing knowledge don't you think he could give a few pointers to where a bowler should bowl to a certain batsmen, where the best fielders should be placed on the field? What the weakness of a batsman is? What the weakness of his own bowlers and fielders are so he could think of a way to cover them up or minimise whatever effect the weakness could have towards the match?



Have basic cricketing knowledge.

Match awareness and tactical awareness goes out the window if your players can't do the basics rights. Playing international cricket is no joke - period. Our players need to step up and stop hiding behind Sarfraz for their short comings.

Excellent response for how to get the best out of your team (that is sarcasm...). Sarfraz can't get the best out of his team since he doesn't have basic cricket knowledge. You have already accepted that no one else can do the job. Are you the only guy left in the country capable of captaining this team?

Basically now you are saying Sarfraz is a bad captain because he won't tell his bowlers to ball half trackers, he won't tell his bowlers not to ball done the leg and he won't tell his fielders to stop the ball.....and yet our sole problem is the captain not the players.

Hilarious.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Deserved treatment for making terrible selections.

It’s not a dry summer like 17’ so I don’t expect our bowling to save us this time.

Who would you select instead?

 

[Chokli]

It was individual brilliance of 2-3 players in CT 17 otherwise we havent performed as a team for almost 2-3 years now.

Fakhar Zaman was the difference, he provided great starts in the 4 matches he played in.

Take Zaman out no chance Pak would have won.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Fakhar Zaman was the difference, he provided great starts in the 4 matches he played in.

Take Zaman out no chance Pak would have won.

Fakhar Zaman and Hasan Ali.

Need an inspirational bowling spell from someone. Someone who puts his hand up, and says we are here to compete not just roll over.

 

[Titan24]

Fakhar Zaman was the difference, he provided great starts in the 4 matches he played in.

Take Zaman out no chance Pak would have won.

True it was Hasan Ali throughout the tournament and then Fakhar and Amir in the final.

 

[ManFan]

Who would you select instead?

How about someone other than two 40 year olds and a fast-bowler who aborted his run-up five times in a row the last time he donned the national colors?

How about a genuine spinner who can flight and spin the ball instead of a semi all-rounder?

Is it entirely possible that out of a population of 200 million, there is not ONE powerful stroke-maker to partner FZ?

 

[Chokli]

Match awareness and tactical awareness goes out the window if your players can't do the basics rights. Playing international cricket is no joke - period. Our players need to step up and stop hiding behind Sarfraz for their short comings.

Excellent response for how to get the best out of your team (that is sarcasm...). Sarfraz can't get the best out of his team since he doesn't have basic cricket knowledge. You have already accepted that no one else can do the job. Are you the only guy left in the country capable of captaining this team?

Basically now you are saying Sarfraz is a bad captain because he won't tell his bowlers to ball half trackers, he won't tell his bowlers not to ball done the leg and he won't tell his fielders to stop the ball.....and yet our sole problem is the captain not the players.

Hilarious.

How delusional are you mate? Did Sarfaraz give you a plate of his world class biryani?

Sarfraz can't do the basics right himself as a captain and you just expect the other 14 players to hype themselves up and motivate themselves when the captain of the team who is supposed to lead from the front and energise and set the tone for the team is even more useless than them?

How many times do I have to mention Sarfaraz has been captain of Pakistani Cricket teams ever since he was a teenager and yet he's clueless as if this is his first time in an international jersey.

There is no comparison between Sarfraz as captain and others not being captaincy material.

PCB hasn't invested time and money into other captains from their junior days - they have in Sarfaraz by backing him throughout his career and now as captain.

 

[TalhaSyed]

By the way how are we so sure that minds like Graham Flower and Azhar Mehmood who have no coaching achievements even in their domestic careers are creating the right strategies. Are they good enough to modify the strategies according to the strengths and weaknesses of the players they have.

If Mickey was doing the job well and it was all Australian players fault then why was he sacked.

If after losing 11 ODI matches in a row you cant put the blame on captain and coaches than I think they should be given life time contracts. I dont know why other teams change there captains and coaches as clearly according to the logic we are discussing its always the players in the ground not performing properly.

It was individual brilliance of 2-3 players in CT 17 otherwise we havent performed as a team for almost 2-3 years now.

It's ridiculous the length some fans are willing to go to deflect the blame away from the players into anyone else.

Do you think it's strategy to tell the bowlers to ball in the slot and down the leg side?

Do you think it's strategy to tell the spinners to ball at least one half tracker every over?

Do you think it's strategy to tell the fielders to misfield the ball and drop catches?

Do you think it's strategy to tell the batsmen to not rotate the strike, bat a SR of under 70 and then get out to a irresponsible shot?

Or do you think that is players not doing the basic rights?

In 2017 we won because our players - in particular our bowlers - bowled with great dicipline and as a result were able to implement the strategy the captain and coach were setting out. They were bowling tight lines, at a good pace at a good length and getting the ball to move just enough.

Our strategy was clear and simple - restrict the flow of runs and choke the opponent's to make mistakes - thus restricting them to a low score.

However, if we aren't doing the basics right we have no idea what the strategy of the management is so we are in no position to judge that strategy.

 

[Chokli]

Fakhar Zaman and Hasan Ali.

Need an inspirational bowling spell from someone. Someone who puts his hand up, and says we are here to compete not just roll over.

True it was Hasan Ali throughout the tournament and then Fakhar and Amir in the final.

Indeed.

Both were relatively new and unknown which is why they got away with it.

Two years on other teams have started to study and have applied basic cricketing acumen to determine what the best way is to counter Hasan and Fakhar.

The results are there for everyone to see - From after the CT till now.

 

[TalhaSyed]

How about someone other than two 40 year olds and a fast-bowler who aborted his run-up five times in a row the last time he donned the national colors?

How about a genuine spinner who can flight and spin the ball instead of a semi all-rounder?

Is it entirely possible that out of a population of 200 million, there is not ONE powerful stroke-maker to partner FZ?

Give me names mate and reasons - not a dream list.

If you are so convinced - did you watch the PSL - did you see anyone there?

Have you followed any domestic cricket? Have you seen anyone there?

Or is it simply a case of "these players are struggling to win therefore we must have better players in the country".

 

[TalhaSyed]

How delusional are you mate? Did Sarfaraz give you a plate of his world class biryani?

Sarfraz can't do the basics right himself as a captain and you just expect the other 14 players to hype themselves up and motivate themselves when the captain of the team who is supposed to lead from the front and energise and set the tone for the team is even more useless than them?

How many times do I have to mention Sarfaraz has been captain of Pakistani Cricket teams ever since he was a teenager and yet he's clueless as if this is his first time in an international jersey.

There is no comparison between Sarfraz as captain and others not being captaincy material.

PCB hasn't invested time and money into other captains from their junior days - they have in Sarfaraz by backing him throughout his career and now as captain.

You can't decide if you should have an Indian flag next to your name or a Bangladeshi one - and I'm delusional?

Hilarious.

The players aren't hyped up and motivated to represent their country in a world cup.....yet it's Sarfraz's fault we are losing.

Hilarious.

According to you so far in this thread the PCB hasn't backed the right guy for the captaincy, the players aren't hyped and don't know their role in the team, the players aren't good enough to win games even if they were to fulfill their potential.....yet Sarfraz is to blame for the defeats.

Hilarious.

 

[Titan24]

It's ridiculous the length some fans are willing to go to deflect the blame away from the players into anyone else.

Do you think it's strategy to tell the bowlers to ball in the slot and down the leg side?

Do you think it's strategy to tell the spinners to ball at least one half tracker every over?

Do you think it's strategy to tell the fielders to misfield the ball and drop catches?

Do you think it's strategy to tell the batsmen to not rotate the strike, bat a SR of under 70 and then get out to a irresponsible shot?

Or do you think that is players not doing the basic rights?

In 2017 we won because our players - in particular our bowlers - bowled with great dicipline and as a result were able to implement the strategy the captain and coach were setting out. They were bowling tight lines, at a good pace at a good length and getting the ball to move just enough.

Our strategy was clear and simple - restrict the flow of runs and choke the opponent's to make mistakes - thus restricting them to a low score.

However, if we aren't doing the basics right we have no idea what the strategy of the management is so we are in no position to judge that strategy.

So at what point a board should replace captain and coaches as clearly losing 11 ODIs in a row is not enough?

When you take players who are 18 (Hasnian),19 (Shaheen), 20 (Shadab), 24 (Babar), 24 (Hasan Ali), 23 (Imam) as your key players they need proper planning, strategies and game plans as they dont have a lot of experience themselves.

Even University and school ask their teachers questions if there class does badly, are our coaches and captain untouchables. As clearly they are not communicating the plans well and if they are and players are not executing then why did they select such players in the team to start with and if no player in Pakistan can understand them then they clearly are not right for the job.

 

[Savak]

I think it is lost on the OP that ultimately the captain and the coach face the music for the team's performance

 

[TalhaSyed]

So at what point a board should replace captain and coaches as clearly losing 11 ODIs in a row is not enough?

When you take players who are 18 (Hasnian),19 (Shaheen), 20 (Shadab), 24 (Babar), 24 (Hasan Ali), 23 (Imam) as your key players they need proper planning, strategies and game plans as they dont have a lot of experience themselves.

Even University and school ask their teachers questions if there class does badly, are our coaches and captain untouchables. As clearly they are not communicating the plans well and if they are and players are not executing then why did they select such players in the team to start with and if no player in Pakistan can understand them then they clearly are not right for the job.

At this stage it seems like our players are untouchable since we have umpteen posters - like yourself - happy to blame anyone other than them.

There are dozens of threads on this forum pointing fingers at the coach and the management yet the players play rubbish cricket and get off without a hitch.

2 points:

1 - If the players aren't doing the basic rights - there is no captain or coach who can win matches with them. If they aren't doing the basics right, you and I have no idea what the captains and coaches strategy's are so we cannot judge them.

2 - Now slowly you are diverting your attention from the coaches to the selectors by saying "why did they select such players". Please tell me who should have been in this squad but isn't and what your justification behind that call is?

 

[TalhaSyed]

I think it is lost on the OP that ultimately the captain and the coach face the music for the team's performance

What's lost on me is why is everyone other than the players (barrinng the captain) accountable for the defeat.

Why are the players not taking responsibility and why are they able to hide behind the coach and captain.

Our fans are happy to remove the captain and coaches expecting results to change over night and then are surprised when things don't change

 

[sjahmed23]

It's time fans ask for a full PCB overhaul and get a proper cricketing system that is TRANSPARENT. We should be able to see talent come from school cricket to club cricket to domestic and then international. We need proper scouting and development teams all across pakistan who work within a uniform system that is based on merit and not connections.

All these stop gap measures are nothing but waste of time, look at India they understood this and invested in their cricketing system 15 years ago and now they are reaping rewards. We need to do the same otherwise we will be running around in circles forever.

 

[QalandarFan]

Great to see a couple of positive comments in this typical sea of negativity we are so use to seeing form Pakistani fans.

Inshallah will be interesting to see what these "it's all over, this is the end of Pakistani cricket, we shoil surrender and come home now, let's just quit now" fans will have to say if inshallah we get a win or two over the new Big 3 in he next few games.

Let's see which of these fans jump on the bandwagon and act like they never doubted the team for a second and which of these fans go into hiding waiting for our team to slip up.

Let's go I needed to sleep on that Windies game I was to upset yesterday. But we are beating England mark my words! We know them to well not too.

 

[TalhaSyed]

It's time fans ask for a full PCB overhaul and get a proper cricketing system that is TRANSPARENT. We should be able to see talent come from school cricket to club cricket to domestic and then international. We need proper scouting and development teams all across pakistan who work within a uniform system that is based on merit and not connections.

All these stop gap measures are nothing but waste of time, look at India they understood this and invested in their cricketing system 15 years ago and now they are reaping rewards. We need to do the same otherwise we will be running around in circles forever.

Yup very valid point and fully agree. For the future of Pakistani cricket and ensuring that we actually harness cricketing talent rather than just hope that it will show up - we need to have a long hard look at our cricketing structure

 

[TalhaSyed]

Let's go I needed to sleep on that Windies game I was to upset yesterday. But we are beating England mark my words! We know them to well not too.

Inshallah bro absolutely!

I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if we beat the "pavorites" on Monday inshallah

 

[Titan24]

At this stage it seems like our players are untouchable since we have umpteen posters - like yourself - happy to blame anyone other than them.

There are dozens of threads on this forum pointing fingers at the coach and the management yet the players play rubbish cricket and get off without a hitch.

2 points:

1 - If the players aren't doing the basic rights - there is no captain or coach who can win matches with them. If they aren't doing the basics right, you and I have no idea what the captains and coaches strategy's are so we cannot judge them.

2 - Now slowly you are diverting your attention from the coaches to the selectors by saying "why did they select such players". Please tell me who should have been in this squad but isn't and what your justification behind that call is?

Forget who should be in the squad, why are those players in the squad who cant implement the master plans of the team management.

If they dont listen then why have we selected such players. This is no excuse that we have selected them because there are no other players. No point in selecting best players of the country if you cant make them listen to you unless you yourself doubt your own strategies.

Again the question stands: When is the captain and management is to be blamed? Or are you saying they can never be blamed?

 

[ManFan]

Give me names mate and reasons - not a dream list.

If you are so convinced - did you watch the PSL - did you see anyone there?

Have you followed any domestic cricket? Have you seen anyone there?

Or is it simply a case of "these players are struggling to win therefore we must have better players in the country".

There are plenty of names both in the PSL and domestic that have been profiled at PP that have been discarded in favor of the current players.

You’re in total denial right now so I’ll end it here.

 

[Titan24]

By the way I am also pretty positive and I hope Pak does well but your stance of putting everything on players who dont even select themselves for the world cup was bit surprising.

 

[Chokli]

You can't decide if you should have an Indian flag next to your name or a Bangladeshi one - and I'm delusional?

Hilarious.

That has nothing to do with Sarfaraz or the Pakistani Cricket team, I can have a little fun as long as I am within the rules of PP. I can tag a mod here too if you like. [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]

On the other hand my comment is valid because it seems like Sarfaraz is much more focused on the strengths and weaknesses of his Biryani rather than the Pakistani Cricket team. If he had no motivation and didn't have the drive for the success of the Cricket team (that he is the captain of, which also happens to be an International team followed by millions and millions of people) then he should have just become a chef and focused on what truly makes him happy. He should have declined the captaincy offer in 2016/2017 if he wasn't up for the challenge.

The players aren't hyped up and motivated to represent their country in a world cup.....yet it's Sarfraz's fault we are losing.

Hilarious.

Neither were the great Wasim, Inzi, Miandad and the rest - It was until Imran gave them the talk and led from the front and lit that much needed fire in their rear ends that changed our fortune in that tournament. That is what the captain does and what a good captain is supposed to do when they have their backs against the wall. Do you see how much of a vital position it is being the captain of a team? Do you not know what it means to be a captain of a team?

A captain is a part of the team management and has a lot of say in selection matters, if he wants a certain player he can get a certain player. This is HIS team, if he, after so much experience as a captain still can't get maximum output from his young team then what good was the investment put into Sarfaraz from his junior days?

According to you so far in this thread the PCB hasn't backed the right guy for the captaincy, the players aren't hyped and don't know their role in the team, the players aren't good enough to win games even if they were to fulfill their potential.....yet Sarfraz is to blame for the defeats.

Hilarious.

How many times do I have to reiterate the fact that Sarfaraz has been a captain since his junior days. If that isn't backing a player then what is? The amount of time, money that has gone into Sarfaraz since he was a young player is not bearing it's fruits.

Should have been a chef.

 

[QalandarFan]

So on Monday Pakistan is Piling up 400 runs against England here's why.

Fakhar Zaman - He looked in great touch and only got unlucky that the bowl that hit him on the head dismissed him. Expect him to take the English Bowlers to the cleaners.

Imam-Ul-Haq - Say what you want about him but he scored 150 off 130 not to long ago against England, and was playing at a pretty brisk pace vs Afghanistan to. Imam doesn't have to many bad matches before he turns up, so expect big runs at a fast rate from him.

Babar Azam - Our best ODI batsman since MoYo. Yeah you PPers can say whatever you want but fact is I trust guys like Nasser, and Clarke who are actual experts of the game more, and they all say he is our best batsman. If he gets in the grove watch out.

Sarfraz Ahmed - Ok not the best captain, but he showed how dangerous he can be with the bat when he has nothing to lose. That 97 he scored at 125+ SR, showed how lethal he can be through the middle overs.

Hafeez Sobers - Hafeez Sobers got embarrassed against West Indies. If you embarrass Hafeez Sobers we will come at you full throttle next game. Expect him to bash the English bowlers around for fun on his way to close out thing innings to 400.

Asif Ali - If he gets picked we all now how deadly he can be. He can hit the cricket bowl a mile, and expect him to do such against England, as he closes out the innings with Mohammad Hafeez, on route to 400!

 

[QalandarFan]

Inshallah bro absolutely!

I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if we beat the "pavorites" on Monday inshallah

Same here, I really have a good feeling about this one. Plus I haven't liked the arrogance of these Poms if there's one team besides India I want to see us beat the most in the WC it's England!

 

[Ronaldo7]

So on Monday Pakistan is Piling up 400 runs against England here's why.

Fakhar Zaman - He looked in great touch and only got unlucky that the bowl that hit him on the head dismissed him. Expect him to take the English Bowlers to the cleaners.

Imam-Ul-Haq - Say what you want about him but he scored 150 off 130 not to long ago against England, and was playing at a pretty brisk pace vs Afghanistan to. Imam doesn't have to many bad matches before he turns up, so expect big runs at a fast rate from him.

Babar Azam - Our best ODI batsman since MoYo. Yeah you PPers can say whatever you want but fact is I trust guys like Nasser, and Clarke who are actual experts of the game more, and they all say he is our best batsman. If he gets in the grove watch out.

Sarfraz Ahmed - Ok not the best captain, but he showed how dangerous he can be with the bat when he has nothing to lose. That 97 he scored at 125+ SR, showed how lethal he can be through the middle overs.

Hafeez Sobers - Hafeez Sobers got embarrassed against West Indies. If you embarrass Hafeez Sobers we will come at you full throttle next game. Expect him to bash the English bowlers around for fun on his way to close out thing innings to 400.

Asif Ali - If he gets picked we all now how deadly he can be. He can hit the cricket bowl a mile, and expect him to do such against England, as he closes out the innings with Mohammad Hafeez, on route to 400!

To back this up, it has been confirmed that the 481-444 pitch will be used on Monday. This pitch is 3 pitches away from the Friday one.
A proper belter this one

 

[QalandarFan]

To back this up, it has been confirmed that the 481-444 pitch will be used on Monday. This pitch is 3 pitches away from the Friday one.
A proper belter this one

Oh maybe we shouldn't play Wahab then? Remember what happened last time he played on that pitch

 

[Ronaldo7]

Oh maybe we shouldn't play Wahab then? Remember what happened last time he played on that pitch

Maybe he'll become our first centurion of this WC.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Forget who should be in the squad, why are those players in the squad who cant implement the master plans of the team management.

If they dont listen then why have we selected such players. This is no excuse that we have selected them because there are no other players. No point in selecting best players of the country if you cant make them listen to you unless you yourself doubt your own strategies.

Again the question stands: When is the captain and management is to be blamed? Or are you saying they can never be blamed?

I've answered the question in every response I've given you.

The captain and management can be blamed when the players are doing the basics right and are still losing matches. That is simply not the same right now.

 

[TalhaSyed]

There are plenty of names both in the PSL and domestic that have been profiled at PP that have been discarded in favor of the current players.

You’re in total denial right now so I’ll end it here.

Hahaha sure - THAT is why you wand it right now and not because you don't actually have any names and logic to back your argument.

Sure man - see you around