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An excellent and detailed post which explains the challenges behind growth of sports in Pakistan, especially in light of the country's dismal performances at the Olympics

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I think there are some issues that have to be addressed before we get into this argument.

1. Cricket vs other sports

I dont know why we always see this argument that oh we invest more in cricket and overlook other sports.

Let me remind you that no one invests in cricket either. Cricket is not invested at all. PCB is a profit making organization, thus what they make is what they spend. PCB doesn't get any money from Govt of Pakistan. It doesnt use tax money, its an organization that makes money. Infact, its one of those govt organizations that is actually profitable. PCB last time took money from govt back in the 1980s and Osman Samiuddin has confirmed this.

I always hate when people say oh we invest more in cricket and overlook others, PCB has itself become a self sustaining organization.

Thus, please stop making statements that we should not invest in cricket. PCB does everything on its own. PCB gets the sponsors etc by itself. Thus why should PCB stop itself if our other sports boards have failed.

Hockey federation has itself to blame for its failure. PCB has nothing to do with it. PCB self sustains itself and has caused no damage to cricket.

2. Sports = Education


In Canada, through out your schooling, Physical Education is part of your formal education. You have a class for physical education from grade 1 till upto grade 12. Its marks carry same weightage as other sports. Plus, every school has various sports ground and indoor gyms. The sports grounds are shared with public and hte school. No one can be stopped from those grounds.

3. Sports and Opportunity Cost

If Pakistan wants to do good in sports, they need to finish this concept of opportunity cost. In Pakistan you could either go into sports or go for formal education. Both cannot be done. The reason for that is the sports clubs and academies ask you to spend more than 6-8 hours with them. Which is just plain wrong.

If Pakistan gets physical education a part of our edducation than we could have sports and education compliment each other. But for this to happened, we need an overhaul of our education system. The examination system be it FSC, Matric or even the o and a level are a big joke. THey required a whole year of cramming for only to give an exam after 1 year and be judged against that.

Sports education can only exists in a education system where you have course work so that you can be judged each week or after 2 weeks.

I played shotput, track and field in Canada for 2 years as part of our physical education. I never played these sports in Pakistan education system.

In our Education system, we have a sports period where the sports teacher will make you do jumping jacks and than after those jumping jacks he throws you a ball and say go play around in the field.

I see people play volleyball in punjab. Volleyball is not even an out door sport. You can play this sport outdoor. But Volleyball is a sport that needs walls, because you improve by practicing against the wall.

In Canada, they teach you volleyball in a very basic banner like where to stand when attackingn and wheret to stand when defending.


4. Sports corruption.

Alot of posters mentioned universities and how universities are going to have such clubs etc.

Let me tell you what happens in university. The so called sports qouta is actually the nepotism qouta. Many of our villiage people who have students who want to go to University, what they do is they contact their local MPA or MNA, who than promise they will get them into a university. Now how they get these people into University is throught the sports qouta. You just need to know how to play a sport at a very very very basic level, and the MNA will get you a seat in the university on that sports qouta.

You dont have to be good.

If you want to get into a university on sports qouta, than Badminton is the easiet way. You dont have to be good just know how to hold racquet and you get a place in the uni. AFter that whether you perform or not doesnt matter.


These are the basic problems that we face and need to be addressed. Problem is, now Usman Buzdar saab probably saw Arshad make good throws. WHat he will do is that oh lets fund sports. He will write a cheque and do some ribbon cutting ceremony at a sports club or at a university that has a newly build sports society and thats about it.
Than later they will claim we have invested in sports.

The situation is soo bad in Pakistan, people dont even know that we originally had 11 people going to the olympics. The one guy who couldn't go was because his horse died twice and the Pakistani govt never planned on buying a back up horse.
 
Thanks guys appreciate it.

Btw, is the sports culture any different in India? or is is the same like in Pakistan?

Great job.

Sports culture used to be the same in India, but in the last 2 years it has become more professional.
 
Great job.

Sports culture used to be the same in India, but in the last 2 years it has become more professional.

I think what played a major role in India was the IPL, than hosting the Commonwealth games and than adding a world cup in cricket. Than their media played a role in making sports films.

A sports culture got developed there plus the delhi metro was expanded due to this
 
Thanks guys appreciate it.

Btw, is the sports culture any different in India? or is is the same like in Pakistan?

It's still a long way to being professional but the country is definitely taking steps in getting professional in some (not all) non cricket games.

India doesn't invest in all the games, but there does seem to be a concerted effort in becoming professional in specific sports like Badminton, Hockey, Wrestling, Archery, Shooting and even in football. Hockey, wrestling and football all either currently have or had professional leagues like the IPL in India. There seems to be a lot of public interest in badminton, especially with the likes of Saina Nehwal and PV Sindhu winning medals in the Olympics. Earlier Indians used to know no sporting celebrity other than cricket stars, but people these days know badminton stars, hockey and football players and even some archers. And it's no surprise that whatever medals India have won in the recent olympics are in these fields only (badminton, wrestling, hockey, shooting, etc.). Even in football, there seems to he an improvement. India used to be ranked in the 160s in the FIFA rankings about 5 years ago, now it's around 100.

But still there's a long long way to go to India becoming professional in non cricket olympic sports. What's certainly happening though is they have started to take steps. The results will take much longer to show but you can already see a few signs of it here and there.
 
Also India hosting sporting competitions also helps. It started with the South asian games which isn't a big deal honestly. But hosting the commonwealth games was a big plus. And recently India hosted the U17 FIFA world cup which had young stars like Phil Foden, Jadon Sancho, Sergino Dest and Ferran Torres playing. The next step is to host the U20 FIFA WC and the Asian or the commonwealth games once again. Will probably take decades for India to host the Olympics or the FIFA WC.
 
I think what played a major role in India was the IPL, than hosting the Commonwealth games and than adding a world cup in cricket. Than their media played a role in making sports films.

A sports culture got developed there plus the delhi metro was expanded due to this

The main change was India slowly moving away from the idea that the government needs to control everything.

With economic liberalization, the culture has slowly changed towards evaluating people based on their performance. It is a mindset. The private sector forces people to produce results rather than sifarish to advance their careers. This mindset spills over to other areas of life. It is very clearly visible in the Western countries.
 
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