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The crux of our problem is batting . . and the heart of our batting is comprised of Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq who were supposed to be our senior batters and run makers post the MisYou era!

I don't mind losing. Hell, we have all become quite accustomed to it by now! The last game was painful for all fans . . but you know what? We had a pretty young, inexperienced attack that bowled not that badly (compared to their much experienced and touted english counterparts) . . so I am willing to give them the leeway. They will have good games and bad games . . but they will develop and learn! We need to be patient with them . . the talent is there for everyone to see! Michael Holding, Atherton, Nasser, Warne were all praise . . so there must be something there!

But let's not kid ourselves! We didn't lose because of our bowling . . we came really close to winning because of our bowling! That matters . . and how it gets communicated in the dressing room also matters! We lost solely because of our shambolic batting performance in the 2nd innings (and honestly, wasn't that great in the 1st innings either but for Shan, Babar and Shadab)!

After MisYou retired, it was almost as perfect a transition as you can hope for! Both Azhar and Asad having played 50+ test matches, in their shadow . . it was time for them to step up! Carry the team forward . . carry a potential star player forward (so he doesn't get exposed and under serious pressure every time the batting collapses) - so that he has some room to play with! He can also settle in for a few test matches, just like Azhar and Asad did!

In today's batsmen ship, an average of 50+ is considered world class . . average of 45+ very good . . average of 40+ . . I guess you could be categorized as a solid player though with that average you can hardly be touted as the main batsman! Average below 35 is plain and simple mediocre! and if you're not bringing immense value in the field or some value with the ball, you really ought to question the selection! but we have 2 . . ironically, who were supposed to be our main batters!

In the last 3 years:
#AzharAli averages 27! Avg drops to 12!! away from home!
#AsadShafiq averages 36! Avg drops to 29 away from home!

These 2 were supposed to carry us after MisYou retirements! Absolute garbage!! How are they automatic selection?

3 years!!


That is the real problem!!!

When we fail, let's do the following - shall we?

1.) Shan is mediocre! Let's kick him out . . (who btw has the 2nd highest average and 2nd most runs since his return to the team - yea go figure!)
2.) Let's kick out Imam . . over hyped! Parchi . .
3.) Let's bring in Shadab . . oh but our batting becomes weak, let's bring in Faheem too! but he can't bat! well, aren't we in a pickle? (ever wonder why our batting is weak?) . . After Shadab isn't given a ball but performs decently with the bat as he has done for his test career, let's kick him out . . cuz his bowling sucks! Again ironically, Shadab averages more than both Azhar and Asad
4.) How about we bring in Fakhar . . he can score a few quickly!
5.) Oh what about poor Fawad? He has been hard done by! Let's bring him in as a consolation prize!
6.) Usman Salahuddin, anyone? Whatever happened to him . .
7.) Iftekhar Ahmad? He can be handy!
8.) Our openers suck!
9.) Sarfaraz Ahmed can't bat to save his life! Let's kick him out!!
10.) Harris Sohail . . oh, he is unfit . . so can't bank on him to play often! He has technical flaws! Let's kick him out too . .
11.) Oh and I almost forgot . . my favorite! Babar Azam is over hyped . . what's this nonsense about Fab 4/5/6/7 . . The guy never performs when we need his runs!

Don't you see it?! The problem ALWAYS lies else where . . and hence the changes made are always in areas that either aren't broken or are less of a problem!!

Our management, board, fans, etc. . need to realize what the problem is!! Our 2 senior batters haven't delivered in ages! They have been dopey as hell . . They haven't stood up . . they were supposed to lead our batting line up, but instead gave that mantle to Babar when he wasn't ready!

Unfortunately, we may not have any immensely talented batsmen knocking the door down . . but I am more than willing to go through a few losses with younger talent than these 2 . . who may have a chance to improve! Surely, they won't do much worse than averaging what Asad and Azhar have done! At least we may have a shot at the future . .

It's time we address the real problem! and no . . it doesn't revolve around changing everyone else but our 2 batting talisman!
 
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Shan Masood
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Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
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Mohammad Rizwan(wkt)

That's Pakistan lineup currently.
 
The crux of our problem is batting . . and the heart of our batting is comprised of Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq who were supposed to be our senior batters and run makers post the MisYou era!

I don't mind losing. Hell, we have all become quite accustomed to it by now! The last game was painful for all fans . . but you know what? We had a pretty young, inexperienced attack that bowled not that badly (compared to their much experienced and touted english counterparts) . . so I am willing to give them the leeway. They will have good games and bad games . . but they will develop and learn! We need to be patient with them . . the talent is there for everyone to see! Michael Holding, Atherton, Nasser, Warne were all praise . . so there must be something there!

But let's not kid ourselves! We didn't lose because of our bowling . . we came really close to winning because of our bowling! That matters . . and how it gets communicated in the dressing room also matters! We lost solely because of our shambolic batting performance in the 2nd innings (and honestly, wasn't that great in the 1st innings either but for Shan, Babar and Shadab)!

After MisYou retired, it was almost as perfect a transition as you can hope for! Both Azhar and Asad having played 50+ test matches, in their shadow . . it was time for them to step up! Carry the team forward . . carry a potential star player forward (so he doesn't get exposed and under serious pressure every time the batting collapses) - so that he has some room to play with! He can also settle in for a few test matches, just like Azhar and Asad did!

In today's batsmen ship, an average of 50+ is considered world class . . average of 45+ very good . . average of 40+ . . I guess you could be categorized as a solid player though with that average you can hardly be touted as the main batsman! Average below 35 is plain and simple mediocre! and if you're not bringing immense value in the field or some value with the ball, you really ought to question the selection! but we have 2 . . ironically, who were supposed to be our main batters!

In the last 3 years:
#AzharAli averages 27! Avg drops to 12!! away from home!
#AsadShafiq averages 36! Avg drops to 29 away from home!

These 2 were supposed to carry us after MisYou retirements! Absolute garbage!! How are they automatic selection?

3 years!!


That is the real problem!!!

When we fail, let's do the following - shall we?

1.) Shan is mediocre! Let's kick him out . . (who btw has the 2nd highest average and 2nd most runs since his return to the team - yea go figure!)
2.) Let's kick out Imam . . over hyped! Parchi . .
3.) Let's bring in Shadab . . oh but our batting becomes weak, let's bring in Faheem too! but he can't bat! well, aren't we in a pickle? (ever wonder why our batting is weak?) . . After Shadab isn't given a ball but performs decently with the bat as he has done for his test career, let's kick him out . . cuz his bowling sucks! Again ironically, Shadab averages more than both Azhar and Asad
4.) How about we bring in Fakhar . . he can score a few quickly!
5.) Oh what about poor Fawad? He has been hard done by! Let's bring him in as a consolation prize!
6.) Usman Salahuddin, anyone? Whatever happened to him . .
7.) Iftekhar Ahmad? He can be handy!
8.) Our openers suck!
9.) Sarfaraz Ahmed can't bat to save his life! Let's kick him out!!
10.) Harris Sohail . . oh, he is unfit . . so can't bank on him to play often! He has technical flaws! Let's kick him out too . .
11.) Oh and I almost forgot . . my favorite! Babar Azam is over hyped . . what's this nonsense about Fab 4/5/6/7 . . The guy never performs when we need his runs!

Don't you see it?! The problem ALWAYS lies else where . . and hence the changes made are always in areas that either aren't broken or are less of a problem!!

Our management, board, fans, etc. . need to realize what the problem is!! Our 2 senior batters haven't delivered in ages! They have been dopey as hell . . They haven't stood up . . they were supposed to lead our batting line up, but instead gave that mantle to Babar when he wasn't ready!

Unfortunately, we may not have any immensely talented batsmen knocking the door down . . but I am more than willing to go through a few losses with younger talent than these 2 . . who may have a chance to improve! Surely, they won't do much worse than averaging what Asad and Azhar have done! At least we may have a shot at the future . .

It's time we address the real problem! and no . . it doesn't revolve around changing everyone else but our 2 batting talisman!

Oops! I forgot about the bowling problems . . we lost because our bowlers suck! we can't take 20 wickets . . well, when we don't put enough runs on the board and keep putting our bowlers in that situation where they have to salvage the situation every time! They will get exposed time and again . . And let's not even get started on how many bowlers we have gone through!
 
Shan Masood
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Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
----------------
Mohammad Rizwan(wkt)

That's Pakistan lineup currently.

Haris sohail in asain condition in sena hes like the same not very good
 
It takes courage to make bold decisions to move forward and then stick to these decisions so you don’t go backwards again no matter what.. even if it means short term suffering for long term benefit.

As an example if the selectors has made the bold decision to replace Azhar and Asad before the England tour due to their age and lack of performances in recent more and instead went for a couple of young 20 year old batsmen.

The irony is this , if the youngsters selected in their place failed on this tour but delivered exactly the same as what Azhar and Asad are doing here and flop as they usually do in England , the likes of Basit Ali and Amir Sohail and probably many of us fans would be complaining it was a bad decision to drop senior batsmen Azhar and Asad from such an important tour and Pakistan needed their experience in English conditions which are difficult for batsmen.

You can’t have it both ways , and more importantly if players are not able to deliver and perform - does it make a difference if they are seniors and have lots of experience sight seeing and taking selfies touring England and Australia ?
 
The crux of our problem is batting . . and the heart of our batting is comprised of Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq who were supposed to be our senior batters and run makers post the MisYou era!

I don't mind losing. Hell, we have all become quite accustomed to it by now! The last game was painful for all fans . . but you know what? We had a pretty young, inexperienced attack that bowled not that badly (compared to their much experienced and touted english counterparts) . . so I am willing to give them the leeway. They will have good games and bad games . . but they will develop and learn! We need to be patient with them . . the talent is there for everyone to see! Michael Holding, Atherton, Nasser, Warne were all praise . . so there must be something there!

But let's not kid ourselves! We didn't lose because of our bowling . . we came really close to winning because of our bowling! That matters . . and how it gets communicated in the dressing room also matters! We lost solely because of our shambolic batting performance in the 2nd innings (and honestly, wasn't that great in the 1st innings either but for Shan, Babar and Shadab)!

After MisYou retired, it was almost as perfect a transition as you can hope for! Both Azhar and Asad having played 50+ test matches, in their shadow . . it was time for them to step up! Carry the team forward . . carry a potential star player forward (so he doesn't get exposed and under serious pressure every time the batting collapses) - so that he has some room to play with! He can also settle in for a few test matches, just like Azhar and Asad did!

In today's batsmen ship, an average of 50+ is considered world class . . average of 45+ very good . . average of 40+ . . I guess you could be categorized as a solid player though with that average you can hardly be touted as the main batsman! Average below 35 is plain and simple mediocre! and if you're not bringing immense value in the field or some value with the ball, you really ought to question the selection! but we have 2 . . ironically, who were supposed to be our main batters!

In the last 3 years:
#AzharAli averages 27! Avg drops to 12!! away from home!
#AsadShafiq averages 36! Avg drops to 29 away from home!

These 2 were supposed to carry us after MisYou retirements! Absolute garbage!! How are they automatic selection?

3 years!!


That is the real problem!!!

When we fail, let's do the following - shall we?

1.) Shan is mediocre! Let's kick him out . . (who btw has the 2nd highest average and 2nd most runs since his return to the team - yea go figure!)
2.) Let's kick out Imam . . over hyped! Parchi . .
3.) Let's bring in Shadab . . oh but our batting becomes weak, let's bring in Faheem too! but he can't bat! well, aren't we in a pickle? (ever wonder why our batting is weak?) . . After Shadab isn't given a ball but performs decently with the bat as he has done for his test career, let's kick him out . . cuz his bowling sucks! Again ironically, Shadab averages more than both Azhar and Asad
4.) How about we bring in Fakhar . . he can score a few quickly!
5.) Oh what about poor Fawad? He has been hard done by! Let's bring him in as a consolation prize!
6.) Usman Salahuddin, anyone? Whatever happened to him . .
7.) Iftekhar Ahmad? He can be handy!
8.) Our openers suck!
9.) Sarfaraz Ahmed can't bat to save his life! Let's kick him out!!
10.) Harris Sohail . . oh, he is unfit . . so can't bank on him to play often! He has technical flaws! Let's kick him out too . .
11.) Oh and I almost forgot . . my favorite! Babar Azam is over hyped . . what's this nonsense about Fab 4/5/6/7 . . The guy never performs when we need his runs!

Don't you see it?! The problem ALWAYS lies else where . . and hence the changes made are always in areas that either aren't broken or are less of a problem!!

Our management, board, fans, etc. . need to realize what the problem is!! Our 2 senior batters haven't delivered in ages! They have been dopey as hell . . They haven't stood up . . they were supposed to lead our batting line up, but instead gave that mantle to Babar when he wasn't ready!

Unfortunately, we may not have any immensely talented batsmen knocking the door down . . but I am more than willing to go through a few losses with younger talent than these 2 . . who may have a chance to improve! Surely, they won't do much worse than averaging what Asad and Azhar have done! At least we may have a shot at the future . .

It's time we address the real problem! and no . . it doesn't revolve around changing everyone else but our 2 batting talisman!

Well said. Enough chances for Azhar and Asad as they are pst their prime along with Alam. Just because past selection committees did Alam wrong doesn’t mean he gets to play 10 years after making his test debut with depleted skills and technique.

Imam has to come in, shadab has to come back in, give Fakhar a shot. Move Shan out of opening slot. Maybe even give Haider a shot. You would think the below line would do better then the current line up.

(Game 3)
Imam 1
Abid 2
Shan 3
Azam 4
Fakhar 5 or Haider
Rizwan 6
Shadab 7
Yasir 8
Abbas 9
Shaheen 10
Shah 11
 
It takes courage to make bold decisions to move forward and then stick to these decisions so you don’t go backwards again no matter what.. even if it means short term suffering for long term benefit.

As an example if the selectors has made the bold decision to replace Azhar and Asad before the England tour due to their age and lack of performances in recent more and instead went for a couple of young 20 year old batsmen.

The irony is this , if the youngsters selected in their place failed on this tour but delivered exactly the same as what Azhar and Asad are doing here and flop as they usually do in England , the likes of Basit Ali and Amir Sohail and probably many of us fans would be complaining it was a bad decision to drop senior batsmen Azhar and Asad from such an important tour and Pakistan needed their experience in English conditions which are difficult for batsmen.

You can’t have it both ways , and more importantly if players are not able to deliver and perform - does it make a difference if they are seniors and have lots of experience sight seeing and taking selfies touring England and Australia ?

Absolutely right!! If some new players had the same performance as Azhar and Asad, they'd be kicked out before you know it . .

If you pick a player, you have to back him and give him a proper chance!

Personally, I am not a fan of Abid Ali . . but I think now that he is in the team, he needs a proper go and play at least 10 test matches, before we make a call on him! The same should be done for any new entrant! Otherwise, you're playing with the player's career and the team itself!
 
These two have benefited because Pakistan does not play a lot of test cricket, our test series routinely have a huge gap between them which is why poor performances and results tend to get forgotten over time.
 
Shafiq.

What an absolute joke. Should have been dropped permanently a couple of years back.

Azhar's days are also numbered if he continues his woeful form.

These two indeed have been the major contributors in Pak losing Tests. After Misbah and YK, they were supposed to become the Mainstays of batting.

Instead, our middle order just collapsed. These two can never fill in for MisYou.
 
Shafiq.

What an absolute joke. Should have been dropped permanently a couple of years back.

Azhar's days are also numbered if he continues his woeful form.

These two indeed have been the major contributors in Pak losing Tests. After Misbah and YK, they were supposed to become the Mainstays of batting.

Instead, our middle order just collapsed. These two can never fill in for MisYou.

You cant kill the snake unless the head is cut.
These two only represent its body.
 
It takes courage to make bold decisions to move forward and then stick to these decisions so you don’t go backwards again no matter what.. even if it means short term suffering for long term benefit.

As an example if the selectors has made the bold decision to replace Azhar and Asad before the England tour due to their age and lack of performances in recent more and instead went for a couple of young 20 year old batsmen.

The irony is this , if the youngsters selected in their place failed on this tour but delivered exactly the same as what Azhar and Asad are doing here and flop as they usually do in England , the likes of Basit Ali and Amir Sohail and probably many of us fans would be complaining it was a bad decision to drop senior batsmen Azhar and Asad from such an important tour and Pakistan needed their experience in English conditions which are difficult for batsmen.

You can’t have it both ways , and more importantly if players are not able to deliver and perform - does it make a difference if they are seniors and have lots of experience sight seeing and taking selfies touring England and Australia ?

That's exactly why Hafeez and Malik keep coming back.
 
I don’t want to spoil mood but I’m afraid if Azhar steps down after this tour, forget about Babar, next in line is ..... Asad, for captaincy.
 
I don’t want to spoil mood but I’m afraid if Azhar steps down after this tour, forget about Babar, next in line is ..... Asad, for captaincy.

No he’s not. Standard wise if Asad Shafiq were to go out for a stroll in Karachi and come across a game of cricket being played on the streets, he would not play as captain even there. Expect him to field as a long stop and keep the kids informed of oncoming traffic.
 
We are mediocre team. Whatever Coach, selector, Chairman or Player We select, the results will not be much different because we don't have talent nor we don't have the mentality to accept the reality that we are just not good enough.

I am following cricket since 2008 but I never see a stable team in these 12 year because we are just not good enough, and it's showing in all sports of Pakistan i-e Hockey, Squash etc.
 
You cant kill the snake unless the head is cut.
These two only represent its body.

Only if you really had some wisdom. And not a goldfish's memory where you forgot how both of them were woeful under Arthur, plus our terrible Test record too.

We're on the right track now investing in a young bowling attack, and with Shafiq gone things will improve. Possibly Azhar too if he continues to be awful with the bat.
 
We are mediocre team. Whatever Coach, selector, Chairman or Player We select, the results will not be much different because we don't have talent nor we don't have the mentality to accept the reality that we are just not good enough.

I am following cricket since 2008 but I never see a stable team in these 12 year because we are just not good enough, and it's showing in all sports of Pakistan i-e Hockey, Squash etc.

I dont agree I belive we do have the talent but the coaches and management dont have the guts to drop people and if you are related to a selector your move likely going to get in the squad.
 
Only if you really had some wisdom. And not a goldfish's memory where you forgot how both of them were woeful under Arthur, plus our terrible Test record too.

We're on the right track now investing in a young bowling attack, and with Shafiq gone things will improve. Possibly Azhar too if he continues to be awful with the bat.

Pretty rich of you to be calling me out if i am wise or not, given how many eggs you have had on your face throughout your posting career. And yeah, my memory is pretty much on point. Aren't you the guy who equated Stokes with Anwar Ali, backed Sarfaraz to win the 2015 world cup for us? Lol sums up your judgement on cricketing affairs.

Anyhow, Azhar and Asad are only the body of the snake, because, had Arthur still been at the helm, atleast Azhar would have been dropped after the Aus tour, if not the South Africa one. However, it is because of the head of the snake whom you so worship that he has been appointed captain. And it was this same snake-head who recommended Azhar to be captain in 2015, despite not having him in his world cup team.

And no, we are not on the right track. Selecting a couple of teenage quicks to mask the overloading of geriatrics in the squad isn't what is called the right track
Having a poor strategy with no vision isnt what is calIed the right track.
I could point out a litany of other reasons, but will abstain, since there is no point of doing so with you. You love your snake charming, so I will leave you at that.
 
I don’t want to spoil mood but I’m afraid if Azhar steps down after this tour, forget about Babar, next in line is ..... Asad, for captaincy.

why do you like to play this game with the kids, old man? 😁
No, Asad isnt coming in as captain haha.
 
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