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Twenty two years into test cricket and Bangladesh are at a worse position then where they started.

Right now Bangladesh probably have their greatest side ever. In ODIs their senior players have stood up on more than a few occasions. And in tests for some time it seemed like they were beginning to improve after maiden test wins at home against England and Australia. Since then though they've gotten mauled in South Africa, which tbh is expected even from Pakistan so you can forgive that. Then they got bundled out for 43 in West Indies but hey, Roach, Gabriel and Holder make for a fearsome fast-bowling attack particularly on those West Indian wickets so we can forgive that aswell, as embarrassing as it was. But then losing a test to Zimbabwe (at home) who barely had test status to begin with and have now basically been evicted from world cricket is not so forgivable. Neither is losing at home Afghanistan, which for all their talent and flair are still playing their third test match in history! And have already managed the same amount of wins that Bangladesh did after 60 tests!

Bangladesh is and always has been a blot on this format. 20+ years and they've somehow managed to get worse. I think they should either not get any matches against teams above their ranking till they improve or their test status should be revoked.
 
I think we should wait until the 2019-2021 Test championship is over.And if Bangladesh end up losing all of their matches/ nearly all of their matches (and gets thrashed in the majority of their matches) then maybe they should be replaced by Afghanistan or Ireland in the Test Championship
 
In present form, BD doesn't deserve the Test status. If they can't beat Afghanistan at home, they probably will not be able to beat anyone (except for Zimbabwe maybe).

However, I don't think their status is going anywhere.

I also think that Afghanistan should be in the championship instead of Bangladesh. It can make things more competitive.
 
Revoking is going way too far lol.

ICC should have some sort of relegation system in the WTC. The 9th ranked team should play a test match with the highest ranked team outside the championship to determine who stays in the championship and who gets knocked out. This way boards can't really complain, if you come dead last AND lose to the lower ranked team you don't deserve to be in the championship.
 
Revoking is going way too far lol.

ICC should have some sort of relegation system in the WTC. The 9th ranked team should play a test match with the highest ranked team outside the championship to determine who stays in the championship and who gets knocked out. This way boards can't really complain, if you come dead last AND lose to the lower ranked team you don't deserve to be in the championship.

Yeah. Top 8 teams should be in league 1 and rest should be in league 2.

Last team from league 1 should get relegated to league 2 and top team from league 2 should get promoted to league 1.
 
Yeah. Top 8 teams should be in league 1 and rest should be in league 2.

Last team from league 1 should get relegated to league 2 and top team from league 2 should get promoted to league 1.

The thing with that is that the boards won't agree with it since at least one team will definitely get relegated every cycle, so nobody will agree to it. That is the reason I said they should play a match with the top team of league 2 (or highest ranked other team if they don't want 2 leagues) to determine if they get relegated or not. The match can easily be played a week before the final.
 
Yeah. Top 8 teams should be in league 1 and rest should be in league 2.

Last team from league 1 should get relegated to league 2 and top team from league 2 should get promoted to league 1.

Yeah I was thinking the same. This is what it could look like:

ICC World Test Championship - League 1

1. Australia
2. India
3. South Africa
4. New Zealand
5. Pakistan
6. Sri Lanka
7. West Indies
8. Bangladesh


League 2

1. Afghanistan
2. Zimbabwe (but unfortunately they are suspended)
3. Ireland
4. Scotland
5. Netherlands
6. Nepal
7. UAE
8. Hong Kong

And then a league 3, 4, 5 etc. for all teh other teams

(winner of league 2 replaces the loser of league 1)

Having a test/ first-class league to all the teams (even the really bottom teams) means all the teams play more first class cricket which will possibly amke test cricket more interesting
 
Twenty two years into test cricket and Bangladesh are at a worse position then where they started.

Right now Bangladesh probably have their greatest side ever. In ODIs their senior players have stood up on more than a few occasions. And in tests for some time it seemed like they were beginning to improve after maiden test wins at home against England and Australia. Since then though they've gotten mauled in South Africa, which tbh is expected even from Pakistan so you can forgive that. Then they got bundled out for 43 in West Indies but hey, Roach, Gabriel and Holder make for a fearsome fast-bowling attack particularly on those West Indian wickets so we can forgive that aswell, as embarrassing as it was. But then losing a test to Zimbabwe (at home) who barely had test status to begin with and have now basically been evicted from world cricket is not so forgivable. Neither is losing at home Afghanistan, which for all their talent and flair are still playing their third test match in history! And have already managed the same amount of wins that Bangladesh did after 60 tests!

Bangladesh is and always has been a blot on this format. 20+ years and they've somehow managed to get worse. I think they should either not get any matches against teams above their ranking till they improve or their test status should be revoked.

That wouldn't be good for world cricket, jesus christ talk about throwing the toys out the pram
 
If Afghanistan smash Pakistan are going to make the same recommendation ?
 
Well I don't agree with the sentiment of the post but Pakistan hasn't been a woeful test side for 20 years

They are trash away and ok at home (well we were fine until the evil Mickey Arther and Sarfraz took over). BD been fairly decent at home as well in recent times but trash away, although recent defeat is bad. But to suggest stripping them of test status is beyond moronic, people need to be drug tested if they agree; it would set BD back even further :facepalm: they have the players to compete at home against the best teams and wins over England/Aus shouldn't be overlooked so easily
 
They are trash away and ok at home (well we were fine until the evil Mickey Arther and Sarfraz took over). BD been fairly decent at home as well in recent times but trash away, although recent defeat is bad. But to suggest stripping them of test status is beyond moronic, people need to be drug tested if they agree; it would set BD back even further :facepalm: they have the players to compete at home against the best teams and wins over England/Aus shouldn't be overlooked so easily

Well they've drawn in england twice.
I don't recall any SENA wins for Bangladesh away
 
No Test status should not be taken away from any country otherwise, any team going through a few difficult years will be lost to cricket.
 
the BD think-tank needs to be banned from ever coming within 10miles of a cricket ground and team. the stupidity of the mindset was a shame... everyone knew tht Afg spinners are better than BD spinners... why give them the sniff... why not put a green wicket (drop in even if they have to.. BD board has money) ... put mutafiz and Rubel and another seamer with Mehdi and Sakib to play the spinner role... and tht shld be it ... AFG would have struggled big time with no seamer .... i dont follow BD cricket and even i can think of tht...

No way the test status be revoked.. the cricketing world, the fans, the game itself has invested way too much in BD cricket to take it back now... but some sane heads really need to get together and do something abt it .. by the looks of it, if Sakib was to go out today, i would bet my money on Zim to thrash them anywhere on the globe
 
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Typical kneejerk thread. If Afghanistan had lost by 230 runs instead of winning, then you will see threads asking weather Afghanistan test status was given too early.

BD is pretty decent team, especially at home.
 
Twenty two years into test cricket and Bangladesh are at a worse position then where they started.

Right now Bangladesh probably have their greatest side ever. In ODIs their senior players have stood up on more than a few occasions. And in tests for some time it seemed like they were beginning to improve after maiden test wins at home against England and Australia. Since then though they've gotten mauled in South Africa, which tbh is expected even from Pakistan so you can forgive that. Then they got bundled out for 43 in West Indies but hey, Roach, Gabriel and Holder make for a fearsome fast-bowling attack particularly on those West Indian wickets so we can forgive that aswell, as embarrassing as it was. But then losing a test to Zimbabwe (at home) who barely had test status to begin with and have now basically been evicted from world cricket is not so forgivable. Neither is losing at home Afghanistan, which for all their talent and flair are still playing their third test match in history! And have already managed the same amount of wins that Bangladesh did after 60 tests!

Bangladesh is and always has been a blot on this format. 20+ years and they've somehow managed to get worse. I think they should either not get any matches against teams above their ranking till they improve or their test status should be revoked.

bit rich coming from current Pakistan test team fan
 
BD is pretty solid at home.

Yes, they lost a game to Zim, which was bad.

But, Afghanistan actually have some decent players and look good in these conditions.

BD should be beating them, but i don't think its an embarrassment.
 
bit rich coming from current Pakistan test team fan

We were good in tests just as recent as 2017. Current form is horrendous but with Misbah as coach I expect us to be back to being decent/good at tests.
 
Pakistani cricket has declined in last 5 years.
sifrashi players were selected and kept in the team even with low performance and good players were ignored or selected temporarily without given proper chances.
Let’s hope new setup can improve cricket and make it more competitive so only top talent can be selected for national team.
 
No, but their Test Championship spot is definitely in question, Afghanistan or Ireland might be more of a challenge at this stage.
 
Typical kneejerk thread. If Afghanistan had lost by 230 runs instead of winning, then you will see threads asking weather Afghanistan test status was given too early.

BD is pretty decent team, especially at home.

Nothing knee-jerk abut it. If you read the post I have mentioned how it has been a steady decline from being bowled out for 43 by West Indies to losing to Zimbabwe and Afghanistan
 
Problem with BD is, they rely a lot on confidence and spirit. Their skills are nothing special if you compare it to worldwide talents.

When confidence is down, they can lose to associates. When confidence is high, they can topple giants.

Until and unless they start focusing on improving actual skills, they can't become a consistent team.

Enough of "winning heart" and respectable defeat. It is time to act like professionals and focus on developing/improving actual skills.
 
Typical kneejerk thread. If Afghanistan had lost by 230 runs instead of winning, then you will see threads asking weather Afghanistan test status was given too early.

BD is pretty decent team, especially at home.
People need to stop calling Bangladesh a decent team. Their best ever WC run ended with a 9th position in the table recently, while they just got smashed by Afghanistan.

How on earth is that the sign of a decent team? It's funny how some of you bash Pakistan senseless, while lauding these laughable efforts by Bangladesh as decent.
 
Bangladesh Test cricket is Work In Progress.
 
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What a moronic thread. Bangladesh have beaten australia and England once each on their previous tours.

If all it takes is a few bad matches to undo improvement, then Pakistan has not deserved test status in the past two years.
 
What a moronic thread. Bangladesh have beaten australia and England once each on their previous tours.

If all it takes is a few bad matches to undo improvement, then Pakistan has not deserved test status in the past two years.

How's Pakistan in this?

You want Pakistan's test status revoked? LOL

They're ranked 7th

Kindly tell me what rank Bangladesh are

We thrashed Aus in the UAE in 2018
 
What? No!

We have hard enough time spreading cricket worldwide without demoting teams from full member for some growing pains.
 
Yeah I was thinking the same. This is what it could look like:

ICC World Test Championship - League 1

1. Australia
2. India
3. South Africa
4. New Zealand
5. Pakistan
6. Sri Lanka
7. West Indies
8. Bangladesh


League 2

1. Afghanistan
2. Zimbabwe (but unfortunately they are suspended)
3. Ireland
4. Scotland
5. Netherlands
6. Nepal
7. UAE
8. Hong Kong

And then a league 3, 4, 5 etc. for all teh other teams

(winner of league 2 replaces the loser of league 1)

Having a test/ first-class league to all the teams (even the really bottom teams) means all the teams play more first class cricket which will possibly amke test cricket more interesting

Where is England?
 
No

Instead a promotion-relegation system needs to be introduced for World Test Championship

The bottom placed team can be relegated or they will have to play top ranked side from Div 2 in one off test to decide who gets promoted to WTC

And if they get relegated then it will be up to the Elite side boards whether they want to play tests against them or not
 
No they don't need to do that

How ever Bangladesh cricket should invest in their test cricket and try to build a good day I'm sure they can with time and right preparation but don't need to revoke their status
 
No. We are already lacking in Test playing nations. Let them play at this level, no problems.
 
Will Bangladesh ever produce quality Test cricketers?

Bangladesh is a country where 165 million people literally breath cricket. They have had the Test status for 2 decades now, but I haven't even seen a single penetrative bowler from Bangladesh. Shakib, Fizz, Mashrafe are good at defensive skills but they are not that threatening as genuine wicket takers. It's the same old story as far as batting is concerned, their batsmen don't really have the defense, temperament, or the intimidation factor for Test cricket . Ashraful was their best batter imo, Mominul looked decent initially, but now I think he too is average.

I think they have immense potential as a cricketing nation, maybe they could improve the pitches to produce quality cricketers. If Ban don't become a good Test side, I would still place them at 4th in Asia, even if they are the T20 champions.
 
Their chances of doing better in LOs is higher. For tests, we will have to wait.
 
Bangaldesh is an ever improving side.

But they are a very lucrative side due to their massive fan following in their country and growing economy.
 
Yeah revoke their Test status so that Cricket gets highly popular in Bangaldesh. Where do people even bring these ideas from?

Cricket is a sport which desperately needs to be globalised, not shrunken. In my opinion, every decent team should have Test status.

Also, Test Cricket isn't global enough to be divided into 2 parts. If we want Test Cricket to survive; we need a Test Championship which has all 12 teams and all teams play equal number of series and all the series have the same amount of matches.
 
Yeah revoke their Test status so that Cricket gets highly popular in Bangaldesh. Where do people even bring these ideas from?

Cricket is a sport which desperately needs to be globalised, not shrunken. In my opinion, every decent team should have Test status.

Also, Test Cricket isn't global enough to be divided into 2 parts. If we want Test Cricket to survive; we need a Test Championship which has all 12 teams and all teams play equal number of series and all the series have the same amount of matches.


Test cricket needs to be played by top 8 team. You can’t start giving out statuses to USA, UAE and others.

Yes, give out T20 caps to these emerging countries but can’t have USA, Canada playing tests.
 
I am sure Bangladesh will produce world class batsmen in the coming years but fast bowlers will always be their problem.
Shakib, rahim, iqbal, mahmudullah are more than enough to inspire the new generation.
Soumya Sarkar and liton das also have the capability but i think they"ll take some time before they become good players.
 
Test cricket needs to be played by top 8 team. You can’t start giving out statuses to USA, UAE and others.

Yes, give out T20 caps to these emerging countries but can’t have USA, Canada playing tests.
I said 'every decent team'. I don't consider USA, Canada or even UAE as decent teams.
 
The people who are saying Test cricket needs to be spread are woefully wrong. If ICC is interested in increasing the popularity of the game then T20, and to a lesser extent ODIs are the way. Test cricket is and always will be a format of few teams. There is a history and heritage built into it, unique to almost every team that newer countries will never be able to understand/appreciate.

Bangladesh, Ireland, Zimbabwe and Afghanistan need to be confined to a division where they play against each other with the top team getting a chance to progress and play against the Top 8.

Judging by how the standard of Bangladesh's test cricket has nosedived in recent times (not that it was particularly high to begin with) they don't deserve to play against the top ranked teams. Being ranked lower than a team that has only played a handful of test matches in its existence is a new low.
 
Bangladesh, Ireland, Zimbabwe and Afghanistan need to be confined to a division where they play against each other with the top team getting a chance to progress and play against the Top 8.

I am fine with it. It seems like a great proposal.
 
I am fine with it. It seems like a great proposal.

No, I am not fine with it - and you shouldn’t be either.

Those here coming on high horses have very little clue about the game and how it’s developed. If that rule is applied, then after 150 years we would have stuck with only two teams in Test cricket. For first 40-50 years of SAF, IND & NZ cricket wasn’t better than what Bangladesh is now. Even worse was Pakistan that after the generation of 1950s developed by British Indian FC system aged out .... it reached to the level of losing home series to Kiwis, a team that it self was genuine minnows those days. And now SRL & WIN is struggling big time - it’s not easy, the beast Test cricket that is.

This game is developed by grooming the players into a Test culture - it won’t happen that suddenly you find some “talunt” and improve in Test cricket. Also, if BD is relegated to a lower tier and need to “earn” the right to play with so called top tier teams, team a team like Pakistan after 70 years of Test history should first start to prove against Sheffield Shield sides before thinking of touring to Australia- it works both ways. Bangladesh is quite a decent Test team at home and we hardly get any chance to play away - it can only improve by playing more, not by avoiding defeat. If quality is the only concern for Test cricket then honestly I don’t know how many teams should stick to it now. Bangladesh needs to play more Tests actually with better teams - only then the team can prove. This is something I wrote for the trolls here the day BD were all out for 43 that six months down the line WIN will tour BD ..... those troll were not available that time though.

This thread is bumped by an ignorant troll who doesn't know how ICC ranking works - there is a minimum numbers of games to be played before the ranking positions are finalised. AFG’s ranking is provisional ranking because of not playing minimum numbers of games - they played four and won two - the two wins are against BD & IRL, two losses are against IND, WIN after total of 13 Sessions, out of 30. After 12 Tests, if they still hold on to that spot, it’ll be a bigger concern for BD that some PakPassion troll questing if they should belong to Test cricket or not, and I’ll be first one to bump here. BD has won Tests against ENG, AUS and in SRL (I am not considering two wins in WIN in 2007) - if one Test loss to AFGs raises this thread then PAK shouldn’t have been playing Test cricket after losing a Test to Bobby Mughabe’s ZIM.
 
No, I am not fine with it - and you shouldn’t be either.

Those here coming on high horses have very little clue about the game and how it’s developed. If that rule is applied, then after 150 years we would have stuck with only two teams in Test cricket. For first 40-50 years of SAF, IND & NZ cricket wasn’t better than what Bangladesh is now. Even worse was Pakistan that after the generation of 1950s developed by British Indian FC system aged out .... it reached to the level of losing home series to Kiwis, a team that it self was genuine minnows those days. And now SRL & WIN is struggling big time - it’s not easy, the beast Test cricket that is.

This game is developed by grooming the players into a Test culture - it won’t happen that suddenly you find some “talunt” and improve in Test cricket. Also, if BD is relegated to a lower tier and need to “earn” the right to play with so called top tier teams, team a team like Pakistan after 70 years of Test history should first start to prove against Sheffield Shield sides before thinking of touring to Australia- it works both ways. Bangladesh is quite a decent Test team at home and we hardly get any chance to play away - it can only improve by playing more, not by avoiding defeat. If quality is the only concern for Test cricket then honestly I don’t know how many teams should stick to it now. Bangladesh needs to play more Tests actually with better teams - only then the team can prove. This is something I wrote for the trolls here the day BD were all out for 43 that six months down the line WIN will tour BD ..... those troll were not available that time though.

This thread is bumped by an ignorant troll who doesn't know how ICC ranking works - there is a minimum numbers of games to be played before the ranking positions are finalised. AFG’s ranking is provisional ranking because of not playing minimum numbers of games - they played four and won two - the two wins are against BD & IRL, two losses are against IND, WIN after total of 13 Sessions, out of 30. After 12 Tests, if they still hold on to that spot, it’ll be a bigger concern for BD that some PakPassion troll questing if they should belong to Test cricket or not, and I’ll be first one to bump here. BD has won Tests against ENG, AUS and in SRL (I am not considering two wins in WIN in 2007) - if one Test loss to AFGs raises this thread then PAK shouldn’t have been playing Test cricket after losing a Test to Bobby Mughabe’s ZIM.

Instead of bringing in a nearly 70 year long history and nitpicking it from various angles you should take a closer look at the Bangladesh's test team, whose biggest successes in 20 years are winning away against a third-rate West Indies side and winning a couple of test matches at home against England and Australia.

The Pakistan analogy is also utterly preposterous. Pakistan beat a quality England side on their first ever tour there and drew the series. Pakistan is still the only team to ever do so. Pakistan beat Australia in their first ever test match against them. In their first ever series in West Indies they won a test and when Windies came to Pakistan they won the series. Even during their worst phase in 60s Pakistan were never as bad as Bangladesh. They could still draw series as compared to Bangladesh who almost always lose.

Rather than wasting everyone's time (including their own) Bangladesh should stick to playing tests with the teams that are on their level. And focus on increased number of ODIs and T20Is since those are formats where they have actually grown and improved over the years. If it was one game then you could chalk it off as a blimp. But Bangladesh has lost to Afghanistan and Zimbabwe, while the bigger teams have mauled them and made them look like a school level team on more than a few occasions. After 20 years on the scene, their cricket seems to be regressing and I don't see any reason why we all should be subjected to these boring one-sided matches.
 
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Instead of bringing in a nearly 70 year long history and nitpicking it from various angles you should take a closer look at the Bangladesh's test team, whose biggest successes in 20 years are winning away against a third-rate West Indies side and winning a couple of test matches at home against England and Australia.

The Pakistan analogy is also utterly preposterous. Pakistan beat a quality England side on their first ever tour there and drew the series. Pakistan is still the only team to ever do so. Pakistan beat Australia in their first ever test match against them. In their first ever series in West Indies they won a test and when Windies came to Pakistan they won the series. Even during their worst phase in 60s Pakistan were never as bad as Bangladesh. They could still draw series as compared to Bangladesh who almost always lose.

Rather than wasting everyone's time (including their own) Bangladesh should stick to playing tests with the teams that are on their level. And focus on increased number of ODIs and T20Is since those are formats where they have actually grown and improved over the years. If it was one game then you could chalk it off as a blimp. But Bangladesh has lost to Afghanistan and Zimbabwe, while the bigger teams have mauled them and made them look like a school level team on more than a few occasions. After 20 years on the scene, their cricket seems to be regressing and I don't see any reason why we all should be subjected to these boring one-sided matches.

If you don’t like to watch BD cricket, no one is forcing you to do - it’s your choice and not sure who else cares for it. If you have such high standers for your taste, I wonder how you could see Pakistan playing in South Africa or Australia in recent years. Any way, it hardly bothers me what your test is, but don’t generalise it by using “we” - there are many other who are interested to follow BD cricket. But, if you poke your nose on credibility of Bangladesh cricket, then do it with proper knowledge of the topic you are writing.

What Bangladesh has done or regressing, should be lesser concern for you than thinking where Pakistan is heading after 70 years - if you like to think so. Past record has only thing written for you - shame; it’s exposes the incompetence and the direction it’s heading. Instead of trolling around Bangladesh cricket, you better spend some energy to soul searching where PAK has gone compared to India from similar time. PAK got its credit for its glory days, but you can’t have it both ways - after 70+ years, PAK cricket is not regressing, it’s having a nose dive - it’s difficult to swallow that, but read other sensible posters here, you should know it better.

I know exactly where BD cricket stands and where it’s heading, unfortunately you don’t know that for PAK, and that’s not only for cricket - result is by every day your space is getting limited to trolling Bangladesh and celebrating India’s fall in ranking table. Things are sadly that desperate. Unless you start to change your attitude, it’ll get tougher for you to stay relevant in a global village. I thought one Asia cup was enough for some of you.
 
If you don’t like to watch BD cricket, no one is forcing you to do - it’s your choice and not sure who else cares for it. If you have such high standers for your taste, I wonder how you could see Pakistan playing in South Africa or Australia in recent years. Any way, it hardly bothers me what your test is, but don’t generalise it by using “we” - there are many other who are interested to follow BD cricket. But, if you poke your nose on credibility of Bangladesh cricket, then do it with proper knowledge of the topic you are writing.

What Bangladesh has done or regressing, should be lesser concern for you than thinking where Pakistan is heading after 70 years - if you like to think so. Past record has only thing written for you - shame; it’s exposes the incompetence and the direction it’s heading. Instead of trolling around Bangladesh cricket, you better spend some energy to soul searching where PAK has gone compared to India from similar time. PAK got its credit for its glory days, but you can’t have it both ways - after 70+ years, PAK cricket is not regressing, it’s having a nose dive - it’s difficult to swallow that, but read other sensible posters here, you should know it better.

I know exactly where BD cricket stands and where it’s heading, unfortunately you don’t know that for PAK, and that’s not only for cricket - result is by every day your space is getting limited to trolling Bangladesh and celebrating India’s fall in ranking table. Things are sadly that desperate. Unless you start to change your attitude, it’ll get tougher for you to stay relevant in a global village. I thought one Asia cup was enough for some of you.

Pakistan has a dearth of talent in the current side and in the domestic cricket; always has, always will. Players who will become bonafide stars in a few years. Pakistan has also achieved much more than Bangladesh can ever dream of. So I would say I am not that worried about Pakistan cricket and infact quite proud of it, for all its imperfections. When you have players like Babar, Shaheen, Shadab, Hasnain, Naseem, Haris, Rizwan Fakhar, Imam; you look at the future with optimism and excitement rather than pessimism. And the comparison with India is laughable because Pakistan doesn't nearly have the kind of money that India has to develop and nurture talent from the grass-roots levels to the very top.

I'm not even surprised you brought Pakistan into this, eventho it has nothing to do with the topic. And generalized how some of us think eventho that is exactly what you are accusing me of. But then again being an apologist for Bangladesh's horrendous test form must be hard. So I'm not surprised you spent the majority of your post deflecting away from the topic and talking about almost everything but Bangladesh.

What you need is some introspection. Ask yourself why Australia isn't even willing to invite Bangladesh to Australia? Why England hasn't invited them in more than a decade? Eventhough there is such a massive Bangladeshi diaspora in England. Why Bangladesh is ranked below Afghanistan (a team whose country is a literal war zone, and only just started played test cricket) in the rankings table?
Poking fingers at Pakistan will get you nowhere. Pakistan does not have to face all the things I just mentioned to you.
 
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Pakistan has a dearth of talent in the current side and in the domestic cricket; always has, always will. Players who will become bonafide stars in a few years. Pakistan has also achieved much more than Bangladesh can ever dream of. So I would say I am not that worried about Pakistan cricket and infact quite proud of it, for all its imperfections. When you have players like Babar, Shaheen, Shadab, Hasnain, Naseem, Haris, Rizwan Fakhar, Imam; you look at the future with optimism and excitement rather than pessimism. And the comparison with India is laughable because Pakistan doesn't nearly have the kind of money that India has to develop and nurture talent from the grass-roots levels to the very top.

I'm not even surprised you brought Pakistan into this, eventho it has nothing to do with the topic. And generalized how some of us think eventho that is exactly what you are accusing me of. But then again being an apologist for Bangladesh's horrendous test form must be hard. So I'm not surprised you spent the majority of your post deflecting away from the topic and talking about almost everything but Bangladesh.

What you need is some introspection. Ask yourself why Australia isn't even willing to invite Bangladesh to Australia? Why England hasn't invited them in more than a decade? Eventhough there is such a massive Bangladeshi diaspora in England. Why Bangladesh is ranked below Afghanistan (a team whose country is a literal war zone, and only just started played test cricket) in the rankings table?
Poking fingers at Pakistan will get you nowhere. Pakistan does not have to face all the things I just mentioned to you.

I am not deflecting from Bangladesh cricket - poking fingers to Bangladesh won't get you anywhere either.

It takes time for every nation to build a sports culture and that can only happen by playing more. Australia isn't inviting Bangladesh because the team is not competitive yet, that's true for other countries like England as well, which to me is better than being asked "....to learn to play first before coming" by a former Captain in live air.

Bangladesh is below AFGs in ranking could be for many reasons - AFGs could be better one of them. I don't know what it has to do here apart from trolling BD. SRL was ahead of Pakistan in ranking table when they were torn by civil war, after starting Test cricket 30+ years later.

Any way - I'll go back to my initial point, if you don't like to watch BD cricket, don't bother, no body is asking you and it hardly matters. Many here didn't enjoy PAK's last trips to SAF & AUS - that doesn't stop us to watch cricket.

Regarding introspection - I am well aware of where Bangladesh is, from the starting of the journey and not only in cricket. You need to ask yourself as well where your country is heading - not only in cricket, you'll become more humble by day in blobs.
 
I am not deflecting from Bangladesh cricket - poking fingers to Bangladesh won't get you anywhere either.

It takes time for every nation to build a sports culture and that can only happen by playing more. Australia isn't inviting Bangladesh because the team is not competitive yet, that's true for other countries like England as well, which to me is better than being asked "....to learn to play first before coming" by a former Captain in live air.

Bangladesh is below AFGs in ranking could be for many reasons - AFGs could be better one of them. I don't know what it has to do here apart from trolling BD. SRL was ahead of Pakistan in ranking table when they were torn by civil war, after starting Test cricket 30+ years later.

Any way - I'll go back to my initial point, if you don't like to watch BD cricket, don't bother, no body is asking you and it hardly matters. Many here didn't enjoy PAK's last trips to SAF & AUS - that doesn't stop us to watch cricket.

Regarding introspection - I am well aware of where Bangladesh is, from the starting of the journey and not only in cricket. You need to ask yourself as well where your country is heading - not only in cricket, you'll become more humble by day in blobs.

Wow man, you took all that really personally.

Bangladesh is not a good cricket side and rarely competitive but they have shown signs of brightness when Shakib was around or when Tamim scores....sometimes. No need to be so angry or anti Pakistan about it. Pakistan is a far greater sporting nation but that shouldn't affect Bangladesh. You do you as the saying goes.

I think a two tier cricket structure would be more beneficial for teams like Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Ireland. It might also help Zimbabwe get more test cricket under their belt.
 
There are only 12 playing test nations so I don't think playing 2 divisions is a good idea,
I will say send Top test teams with their B team in developing cricket nations.
 
There are only 12 playing test nations so I don't think playing 2 divisions is a good idea,
I will say send Top test teams with their B team in developing cricket nations.

I’m surprised nothing like this has been proposed yet. Bangladesh can get very good experience playing against Australia A, England A. At least they will be invited to Australia
 
I’m surprised nothing like this has been proposed yet. Bangladesh can get very good experience playing against Australia A, England A. At least they will be invited to Australia

We talk about reviving test cricket and then have some posters or people comments to revoke their status.
Giving them chances against top nations will improve their cricket and they will bring their A cricket.
 
Wow man, you took all that really personally.

Bangladesh is not a good cricket side and rarely competitive but they have shown signs of brightness when Shakib was around or when Tamim scores....sometimes. No need to be so angry or anti Pakistan about it. Pakistan is a far greater sporting nation but that shouldn't affect Bangladesh. You do you as the saying goes.

I think a two tier cricket structure would be more beneficial for teams like Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Ireland. It might also help Zimbabwe get more test cricket under their belt.

Welcome to PP. I am not anti Pakistani at all, but I have decided to respond selective trolls here.

May be, but two tier will kill the Test game - it'll leave only three teams of decent Test standard. Test cricket needs more competition, more than that it needs countries where the game can grow, otherwise this game will die and it'll affect over all cricket. The reality is, more than Bangladesh needing Test cricket, Test cricket needs emerging countries like Bangladesh to develop - that can only happen by playing at higher level.
 
I am not deflecting from Bangladesh cricket - poking fingers to Bangladesh won't get you anywhere either.

It takes time for every nation to build a sports culture and that can only happen by playing more. Australia isn't inviting Bangladesh because the team is not competitive yet, that's true for other countries like England as well, which to me is better than being asked "....to learn to play first before coming" by a former Captain in live air.

Bangladesh is below AFGs in ranking could be for many reasons - AFGs could be better one of them. I don't know what it has to do here apart from trolling BD. SRL was ahead of Pakistan in ranking table when they were torn by civil war, after starting Test cricket 30+ years later.

Any way - I'll go back to my initial point, if you don't like to watch BD cricket, don't bother, no body is asking you and it hardly matters. Many here didn't enjoy PAK's last trips to SAF & AUS - that doesn't stop us to watch cricket.

Regarding introspection - I am well aware of where Bangladesh is, from the starting of the journey and not only in cricket. You need to ask yourself as well where your country is heading - not only in cricket, you'll become more humble by day in blobs.

There is a reason why Bangladesh is being discussed here and not any other team, Pakistan included. And its because Bangladesh has single-handedly been the worst team in this format for the last 20 odd years. Barring Zimbabwe who were evicted from test cricket for a period of time and barely have anything to pay their players. So no need to get defensive and act like Bangladesh is being victimized. When a team has such a poor record for such a long period of time, people talk about it whether you like it or not. And don't act surprised when Bangladesh is being talked about more than Pakistan, more than Sri Lanka or any other team you want to bring in because unlike Bangladesh they actually win from time to time.

Also, I would appreciate it if you stuck to cricket since this is a cricket forum. If you want to get personal and talk about our respective countries than I can happily oblige and talk about your country too. But this is not the place.
 
There is a reason why Bangladesh is being discussed here and not any other team, Pakistan included. And its because Bangladesh has single-handedly been the worst team in this format for the last 20 odd years. Barring Zimbabwe who were evicted from test cricket for a period of time and barely have anything to pay their players. So no need to get defensive and act like Bangladesh is being victimized. When a team has such a poor record for such a long period of time, people talk about it whether you like it or not. And don't act surprised when Bangladesh is being talked about more than Pakistan, more than Sri Lanka or any other team you want to bring in because unlike Bangladesh they actually win from time to time.

Also, I would appreciate it if you stuck to cricket since this is a cricket forum. If you want to get personal and talk about our respective countries than I can happily oblige and talk about your country too. But this is not the place.

There could be many reasons for Bangladesh cricket to be discussed here and it won't have been any issue had it been done on a proper spirit - I am here to add my thought as well. BUT, I won't allow trolls to take their cheap digs at every opportunity. Couple of months back, BD U19 team won the World Cup, I din't see any post from usual "critics" here, therefore they don't deserve to comment on BD cricket either.

I never act like victimized, rather I am one who writes most constructive criticism of BD cricket - but, there is a fine line between "talking about it", and trolling about it. When a team has poor record, people should talk about it - but unless these people can balance it out, they are losing credibility - basically a troll and I'll call their names. You have absolutely no clue of what BD cricket and BCB has established in last 20 years from a ZERO base - first try to know that, you yourself will think about your posts twice and by posts, I am not suggesting only this thread.
 
No.

Bangladesh has tremendous potential as a cricketing nation as evident by their triumph at the recent U19 world cup. It's only a matter of time before they start producing decent test players as the sport enjoys immense popularity in the country unlike the likes of Ire, Zim or even WI.
 
There could be many reasons for Bangladesh cricket to be discussed here and it won't have been any issue had it been done on a proper spirit - I am here to add my thought as well. BUT, I won't allow trolls to take their cheap digs at every opportunity. Couple of months back, BD U19 team won the World Cup, I din't see any post from usual "critics" here, therefore they don't deserve to comment on BD cricket either.

I never act like victimized, rather I am one who writes most constructive criticism of BD cricket - but, there is a fine line between "talking about it", and trolling about it. When a team has poor record, people should talk about it - but unless these people can balance it out, they are losing credibility - basically a troll and I'll call their names. You have absolutely no clue of what BD cricket and BCB has established in last 20 years from a ZERO base - first try to know that, you yourself will think about your posts twice and by posts, I am not suggesting only this thread.

Welcome to the real world. Not everyone is going to mince words or say things that you like. "done in the right spirit" is another way of saying I don't like the way you said what you said. Well too bad. As far as I'm concerned Bangladesh opened the door to the harshest kind of criticism when they kept losing for 20 years. They made themselves stand out among all the other teams and that's a fact. All I am doing is expressing my opinion, you can choose to disagree with it but it is a perfectly valid opinion based on ground realities.

And btw, you need to go back and look at the various threads that popped up after BD won the U-19 World Cup. Everyone was full of praise, as they should be. It was a fantastic achievement in its own right. No need to mix the success of the U-19 team with the failure of the test team. They are two completely different things.
 
Welcome to the real world. Not everyone is going to mince words or say things that you like. "done in the right spirit" is another way of saying I don't like the way you said what you said. Well too bad. As far as I'm concerned Bangladesh opened the door to the harshest kind of criticism when they kept losing for 20 years. They made themselves stand out among all the other teams and that's a fact. All I am doing is expressing my opinion, you can choose to disagree with it but it is a perfectly valid opinion based on ground realities.

And btw, you need to go back and look at the various threads that popped up after BD won the U-19 World Cup. Everyone was full of praise, as they should be. It was a fantastic achievement in its own right. No need to mix the success of the U-19 team with the failure of the test team. They are two completely different things.

Bangladesh plays stop start cricket all the time and are always missing key players in ever series. When we had a stable side between 2016-2018 Bangladesh managed to win a few Tests. I mean we absolutely demolished West Indies at home.

We don't get nearly the same degree of exposure as Sri Lanka or Pakistan so its difficult to compare to those teams. Its not like Pakistan and Sri Lanka win away from home often. Most of the time, they get thrashed in overseas Tests.
 
Bangladesh plays stop start cricket all the time and are always missing key players in ever series. When we had a stable side between 2016-2018 Bangladesh managed to win a few Tests. I mean we absolutely demolished West Indies at home.

We don't get nearly the same degree of exposure as Sri Lanka or Pakistan so its difficult to compare to those teams. Its not like Pakistan and Sri Lanka win away from home often. Most of the time, they get thrashed in overseas Tests.

Has Bangladesh ever won a test in England, New Zealand, South Africa? Sri Lanka won a series in South Africa last time they toured. And drew a game in New Zealand. Pakistan won in West Indies the last time they toured and drew their last two series in England.

Bangladesh cannot even draw a single game overseas nor have they ever drawn/won a match in SENA. So please don't compare Pakistan, Sri Lanka to Bangladesh. There is no comparison to begin with. And nobody told Shakib to take a sabbatical before such a major foreign tour. Nobody told Mushfiqur to not go to Pakistan. Only Tamim was injured out of the senior players.
 
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Welcome to PP. I am not anti Pakistani at all, but I have decided to respond selective trolls here.

May be, but two tier will kill the Test game - it'll leave only three teams of decent Test standard. Test cricket needs more competition, more than that it needs countries where the game can grow, otherwise this game will die and it'll affect over all cricket. The reality is, more than Bangladesh needing Test cricket, Test cricket needs emerging countries like Bangladesh to develop - that can only happen by playing at higher level.

3 teams of decent standard? I don't think so. SL can win a test just about anywhere on their day, Pakistan have been very good just about every where except Australia in recent times, West Indies just beat England in the last Wisden Trophy, South Africa are still dangerous if in transition, New Zealand can produce some quality results, add in India, England and Australia, that's more than just three. I get you're trying to say Pakistan isn't one of those decent sides....but that's incorrect.

Bangladesh isn't getting games against Aus, England or even the likes of SA. However, if they had to earn a position in the top tier, by playing Afg, Zimb and Irl and then the ICC guaranteed the promoted team would play against at least one of the top 3, it would actually be better, for them and cricket. Plus it also adds jeopardy to sides like WI or possibly Pakistan if they dont up their game and get relegated.

Two tier WTC would make a lot of sense.
 
I personally don't mind if Bangladesh, Ireland, Afghanistan, and Zimbabwe play in a qualifying tournament. It can force these teams to put in extra effort.

Bangladesh has been quite sloppy in Test and sometimes drastic actions are required to improve performance.

I don't think Ireland and Zimbabwe will win any Test in near future (unless they face each other). Bangladesh and Afghanistan may win some home Tests. It is sad to see Bangladesh falling behind Afghanistan in Test and I hope things get better.
 
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3 teams of decent standard? I don't think so. SL can win a test just about anywhere on their day, Pakistan have been very good just about every where except Australia in recent times, West Indies just beat England in the last Wisden Trophy, South Africa are still dangerous if in transition, New Zealand can produce some quality results, add in India, England and Australia, that's more than just three. I get you're trying to say Pakistan isn't one of those decent sides....but that's incorrect.

Bangladesh isn't getting games against Aus, England or even the likes of SA. However, if they had to earn a position in the top tier, by playing Afg, Zimb and Irl and then the ICC guaranteed the promoted team would play against at least one of the top 3, it would actually be better, for them and cricket. Plus it also adds jeopardy to sides like WI or possibly Pakistan if they dont up their game and get relegated.

Two tier WTC would make a lot of sense.

There is an unofficial tier already, which is fine - if you make it official, lower ranked teams now have an incentive to improve and get more games with top tier teams. It's quite logical that ENG/AUS won't host BD/AFG until these teams reach to a minimum level, but that door needs to be kept open.

If you make two separate divisions it'll kill the interest of the game in most of those countries. Besides, BD, WIN, AFG has come to a level that by playing against each others, they won't improve much while the same goes for PAK & SRL - the gap is wide enough for them to be absolutely battered by top teams. Yes, I understand PAK & SRL are competitive at home, but that's true for BD as well - even now BD will give a very good fight at home with every team, but that doesn't ensure the sustainability of Test cricket there.

PAK & WIN are already relegated, if you could see it - from 5 Tests Wisden Trophy, Frank Worell Trophy, 6 Tests India tour, WIN is relegated to 2/3 Tests, and I am not sure when next they are going to tour Australia - the only team that once dominated Aussies at their home. PAK is basically restricted to lots of cricket with SRL, WIN & ZIM over the years and apart from UK, where there is a massive following, gradually PAK is pushed to second tier already by AUS, SAF & NZ - this summer Aussies played 3 Tests with Kiwis, PAK 2 and the Boxing Day, New Years Day Test were given to Kiwis.

My point wasn't about current state - the future of Test cricket is in danger. If we start to limit Test cricket among fewer countries, gradually the upper pool will get narrower and eventually only three countries will keep producing Test quality players - Australia, India & England; may be South Africa as well.
 
There is an unofficial tier already, which is fine - if you make it official, lower ranked teams now have an incentive to improve and get more games with top tier teams. It's quite logical that ENG/AUS won't host BD/AFG until these teams reach to a minimum level, but that door needs to be kept open.

If you make two separate divisions it'll kill the interest of the game in most of those countries. Besides, BD, WIN, AFG has come to a level that by playing against each others, they won't improve much while the same goes for PAK & SRL - the gap is wide enough for them to be absolutely battered by top teams. Yes, I understand PAK & SRL are competitive at home, but that's true for BD as well - even now BD will give a very good fight at home with every team, but that doesn't ensure the sustainability of Test cricket there.

PAK & WIN are already relegated, if you could see it - from 5 Tests Wisden Trophy, Frank Worell Trophy, 6 Tests India tour, WIN is relegated to 2/3 Tests, and I am not sure when next they are going to tour Australia - the only team that once dominated Aussies at their home. PAK is basically restricted to lots of cricket with SRL, WIN & ZIM over the years and apart from UK, where there is a massive following, gradually PAK is pushed to second tier already by AUS, SAF & NZ - this summer Aussies played 3 Tests with Kiwis, PAK 2 and the Boxing Day, New Years Day Test were given to Kiwis.

My point wasn't about current state - the future of Test cricket is in danger. If we start to limit Test cricket among fewer countries, gradually the upper pool will get narrower and eventually only three countries will keep producing Test quality players - Australia, India & England; may be South Africa as well.

You keep bringing up Pakistan with false claims lol Pakistan has regularly had test cricket with Aus and England in the last ten years, they also had one of the highest selling day/night tests in Australia. They also have regular cricket with NZ, WI, SL and SA. Far more regular cricket against the best test sides than Bang, Afg, Irl, Zimb or SL. Theres no point in making a Pak - Bang comparison because Pakistan is an established side. The PCB in the next financial cycle will be the 3rd highest earning cricket board.

If you're a bangladesh fan, discuss how they can improve and a two tier system, with the ICC guaranteeing them a spot at the high table if they get promoted. That's all I'm saying because good cricket is cricket with as many good teams. I want Bang, Irl, Afg all to become quality test sides, that wont happen if we put our head in the sand.
 
You keep bringing up Pakistan with false claims lol Pakistan has regularly had test cricket with Aus and England in the last ten years, they also had one of the highest selling day/night tests in Australia. They also have regular cricket with NZ, WI, SL and SA. Far more regular cricket against the best test sides than Bang, Afg, Irl, Zimb or SL. Theres no point in making a Pak - Bang comparison because Pakistan is an established side. The PCB in the next financial cycle will be the 3rd highest earning cricket board.

If you're a bangladesh fan, discuss how they can improve and a two tier system, with the ICC guaranteeing them a spot at the high table if they get promoted. That's all I'm saying because good cricket is cricket with as many good teams. I want Bang, Irl, Afg all to become quality test sides, that wont happen if we put our head in the sand.

You see, we are running in circles. You are talking about good cricket is good cricket, then it's a not rich as if last few PAK tours in AUS, SAF, NZ...... you know. But, I agree with you - PAK indeed is an established side after seven decades of Test history - now hanging at seventh spot out of eight established teams and their fans are proud enough for that to suggest two tier Test league.....

We indeed do put head in sands when boasting in PP, which is changing....... I can say that from last Asia Cup, it'll change further in future. PCB might cross BCB & CSAF in terms of gross revenue in next cycle, if it's counted in PAK Rupee, for that dollar will be converted at 160 rate (unless it's devalued further); but 3rd means it has to cross Cricket Australia - I have to say PP has reached to new height in delusion, congrats.

Any way, the day ICC starts two tiers, I'll definitely think about that, may be some others also need to think about from where the 2nd tier will start.
 
lol [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] taking it so personally :)))

you know you're grasping at straws when using one Asia cup is now the barometer. and what a way to make a comeback lol :))

and i'm a troll for bringing this up? :)) it IS a shock to see bangladesh (even with all its history of mediocrity) ranked below Afghanistan
 
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finally - i have no history of trolling Bangladesh. It is a legitimate question considering the headline. And if [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] had not lost his cool and responded with a legit post then he wouldn't have become the meme he is becoming on this thread.

Also whether or not Pakistan is doing well is entirely irrelevant to this thread.
 
lol [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] taking it so personally :)))

you know you're grasping at straws when using one Asia cup is now the barometer. and what a way to make a comeback lol :))

and i'm a troll for bringing this up? :)) it IS a shock to see bangladesh (even with all its history of mediocrity) ranked below Afghanistan

Leave it bro, it's Ramadan time. My apologies if I have hurt you.
 
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PAK & WIN are already relegated, if you could see it - from 5 Tests Wisden Trophy, Frank Worell Trophy, 6 Tests India tour, WIN is relegated to 2/3 Tests, and I am not sure when next they are going to tour Australia - the only team that once dominated Aussies at their home. PAK is basically restricted to lots of cricket with SRL, WIN & ZIM over the years and apart from UK, where there is a massive following, gradually PAK is pushed to second tier already by AUS, SAF & NZ - this summer Aussies played 3 Tests with Kiwis, PAK 2 and the Boxing Day, New Years Day Test were given to Kiwis.
Pakistan has been atrocious in Australia no doubt

But there definitely is no argument or case that Pakistan isn't being invited for big series by the Big 3. (asides from India which is political)

Australia - 2 tours in 3 years
England - 3 tours in 5 years

When you make multiple tours in one 3-4 year cycle, you usually get one big tour and one short tour (for eg. England 2016 was 4 Tests, 2018 2 Tests, and 2020 was again supposed to be big tour)

Similarly Aus ealier was 3 and this time 2 tests

There's no case of Pakistan not getting invites to the 'first tier' teams

So [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] i do not agree with this claim

(please not i am not saying this in an attacking way)
 
Leave it bro, it's Ramadan time. My apologies if I have hurt you.

my apologies too but my intention definitely was not to troll.

in fact i didnt even know why this ranking came about and instead of making a new thread entirely on it i just bumped htis one.
 
Yeah MMHS definitely needs to calm down a bit. I am also someone who tries not to troll BD cricket, but it is a surprise to see them below Afghanistan. Don't know why they are that poor in tests.
 
I have a lot of time for [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION], let alone Bangladesh, he understands Pakistan cricket better than most. A very respected poster.

Still, he has to answer the question: what has Bangladesh added to world cricket.

One senior level tournament win, one unbelievable talent (yes I know Shakib is good but not an Imran or a Tendulkar), one overseas series win, one streak, one statesman at world level, one mentally tough, never-say-die figure, even a finals appearance by beating top teams on the way.

And yet, when I was about to write them off, they went off and won U19 World Cup. This to me means they are legitimate, have young crop coming up and have a contribution to make to World Cricket.

Therefore, a better question to ask [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] is this: What do you think will they bring to world cricket over the next 10 years that they haven't in the last 20.

And please do not attack me by saying they already have brought much, because they haven't. Does the U19 winning team promise something new?
 
I have a lot of time for [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION], let alone Bangladesh, he understands Pakistan cricket better than most. A very respected poster.

Still, he has to answer the question: what has Bangladesh added to world cricket.

One senior level tournament win, one unbelievable talent (yes I know Shakib is good but not an Imran or a Tendulkar), one overseas series win, one streak, one statesman at world level, one mentally tough, never-say-die figure, even a finals appearance by beating top teams on the way.

And yet, when I was about to write them off, they went off and won U19 World Cup. This to me means they are legitimate, have young crop coming up and have a contribution to make to World Cricket.

Therefore, a better question to ask [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] is this: What do you think will they bring to world cricket over the next 10 years that they haven't in the last 20.

And please do not attack me by saying they already have brought much, because they haven't. Does the U19 winning team promise something new?

Pre CV - 19, BCB did brilliantly to be honest; this is one of very few people institutions that actually is functioning in Hasina’s rigid regime. Don’t know what lies in front because, not only cricket, whole country & economy is under severe threat. If there is any global recession, one of the first few countries that will suffer body blow is Bangladesh- be it through remittance or textile/RMG sector. Those $35-38bn reserves that hard working Bangladeshis accumulated to boast Hasina’s esteem will evaporate in no time; cricket should suffer its consequences severely as well.

The journey of developing into a strong Cricket nation takes lot more planning & time - it’s not a physical game, rather a skill based old fashioned game that needs the culture first. Ever since English Counties stopped hiring foreigners in mass, just look at where WIN & PAK cricket have gone down in just two decades. For a new entrants with severe financial crisis, it’s even tougher for BD. And, when it comes to Test cricket, it’s even tougher - we are not only struggling with adequate skill set, but mass interest as well. New generation hardly bother for the longer version. Up to ZIM, every new entrant had an advantage that those days Test cricket was supreme, the ultimate esteem for a cricketer - not any more. Problem is, you can’t develop this game without nurturing players n the longer format - therefore it’s a double trouble for us - you need money & Test (FC) cricket to grow as a Test nation, but Test cricket doesn’t earn that money, and the economy is not strong enough to spoon feed a non essential event.

Still, what BCB has done in last 20 years is astonishing- we didn’t have even a National league, let alone FC system as close as 2000 - amateur players playing here and there tournaments around few big cities and that’s it. No infrastructures either - grounds were shared with soccer, no training facilities, no intellectuality, very little knowledge about the game of technical side of the game; no qualified coaching staffs either - former cricketers used to run some cricket clubs as coach and those cricketers were not even at the level of Mumbai/Karachi league cricket.

I can recall, in 2009, some Richard Pybas left BCB after two weeks, because he didn’t “enjoy” his stay in Bangladesh- these days, every time BCB posts an ad, this guy is among the first to apply ..... Whatmore, kicked door out of BCB’s conference room because he didn’t have one single ground fit enough to train his boys during off season and someone told him to manage at the side tracks of Dhaka stadium before/after the soccer game. Shahriar Nafees left for ICL at 23, for a contract of less than $100k, jeopardising his national future - when asked, he gave a calculation that it’ll take him 15+!years in BD shirt to match those four weeks earnings. Guy is educated and his logic was simple - I’ll play there as long as possible .... then open my own garments/buying house.

From there on, where BD cricket has moved is a truly amazing journey. We have a fantastic FC system now, cascading Australian system, covering whole country - the quality is lagging, but it’s well organised. First positive of that is n 2000, all 16 players that were chosen for first tour were resident of Dhaka or Chittagong - today, may be 15 will come from small towns. Bringing the whole population into the talent pool and as the first success of BCB. It has grown tremendously in terms of finance - BD Sports ministry & Local Govt Public Works had to support BCB arranging 1998 ICC KO tournament. Today, BCB has 10-12 dedicated cricket stadiums with excellent facilities. Mash Mortuza was the highest paid BD cricketer in 2008 - some $10K in total in a year.... last season, BCB awarded central contracts to around 100 FC cricketers - lowest slab being around $10k.

In terms of skill developments, there are several qualified coaches are now working at grass root level at, at least 12 academics across country with fantastic facilities- indoor net/gym, bowling machines, physical instructors, qualified curators. The National High Performance centre at Savar is still WiP, but it has some of the best facilities in world, installed under the supervision of pros, again copying the Queensland academy. There are national tournaments for age level cricket, there is a functional scouting network. Those 15 boys winning U19 WC are given a $12k/year retainer-ship for two years and some of them will go to ECB/BCCI/CAs high performance centres at BCBs expense. After so many years of experience and knowledge and with that financial muscle, even now days many of India’s domestic games are played on substandard pitches, most of the FC players are not up to the fitness level that’s required for professional sports, which should suggest how difficult it is to develop it from scratch under severe financial constraints.

All this will add to the strength to BD cricket inch by inch. These 15 boys won’t make it a World Champion unit in 2027 or 2031, but they’ll add to the strength of domestics - real impact starts from there, when grass root players are being pushed to improve their level to survive. Shakib can bat right handed and still he will be one of our greats but individuals hardly matter - the growth has to be collectively, which takes longer time. Every development first needs a process to be fit, otherwise we will always be stuck with when next Shakib is born.

Coming to the next 10-12 years - I think, despite hiccups, our W/L ratio in matches that matters is improving, but more importantly the gap of loss is reducing. Any team can shock someone on their day - BD did that in 2007 WC, could have beaten that AUS side in a Test in 2005, but then no point losing next three games inside 25 overs. There is a good flow on younger players and by every season the overall quality is on a upward curve - compared to last few seasons, this years BPL hardly had any name out side PAK, but that gap was considerably filled up by local players - as long as it happens, BD is in right track. But again - BD Test performance by the scale of W/L can never be compared with even 30-40 years past, the context has changed from even 80s. Weaker teams don’t have the back doors anymore to steal a draw - games are 5 days long, ICC is forcing maximum playing time by over rate fines, extended hours, makeup times; technology has come into the aid - artificial light, better drainage/drying facilities; neutral umpires, ball scrutiny, pitch inspections..... the context that newcomers got into Test cricket in past - cascade that in last 20 years, BD record will look MUCH better (just make it 4 day Test, not even 3). Also, apart from ENG/AUS, every new entrant has a space to hide - WIN/NZ had each other’s + SAF; IND/PAK had each other & NZL .... BD entered Test circle with eight strong & established teams - add to that the playing conditions, its really a tough place Test cricket, for emerging teams.

The comparison with AFG often comes and may be rightly so as well, but we have to understand the context as well. In such an highly technical game, many of these AFG senior players actually got their baptism in established PAK cricket circles, then the younger generation got the world class facilities of BCCI, therefore they had a relatively faster track. It’s a bit moot to mention their internal situation because that’s what has brought them here - without the war, Afghans won’t have migrated to bordering PAK and that geo-politics has availed them a favour from BCCI, otherwise people here have absolutely no clue what and from where BCB has pulled BD cricket here.

This is where I really don’t get what some PAK posters here are trying to achieve taunting BD cricket - we are a brilliant addition to the small & shrinking cricket world. Their predecessors have done that to India 30-40 years back .... now those people feel shy even about taking cricket with Indians - the gap is that embarrassingly telling. I can categorically tell that I actually can sum up the age of PAK posters here, from their posts around cricket - it’s predictable. I started following PAK cricket at it's peak - from that level, where it has come down now, I indeed have the eye and knowledge to sum it up. And then, it’s quite irritating for me to suffer attitude from some of the PAK posters here whose own team is sinking. The beautiful game cricket is heading to a slow death, it can only survive by promoting the game where it has future - AND by preserving the skills where it prospered in past. In that regard, BCB and BD cricket has done fantastically for the first part; though can’t say about PCB & PAK for the second part - unfortunately, some PAK posters don’t have the grasp to realise it.... hence we are often in a fight about who should play Test cricket and where or which tier. The day, they’ll realise it, our stay at PP will be much more pleasant.
 
You see, we are running in circles. You are talking about good cricket is good cricket, then it's a not rich as if last few PAK tours in AUS, SAF, NZ...... you know. But, I agree with you - PAK indeed is an established side after seven decades of Test history - now hanging at seventh spot out of eight established teams and their fans are proud enough for that to suggest two tier Test league.....

We indeed do put head in sands when boasting in PP, which is changing....... I can say that from last Asia Cup, it'll change further in future. PCB might cross BCB & CSAF in terms of gross revenue in next cycle, if it's counted in PAK Rupee, for that dollar will be converted at 160 rate (unless it's devalued further); but 3rd means it has to cross Cricket Australia - I have to say PP has reached to new height in delusion, congrats.

Any way, the day ICC starts two tiers, I'll definitely think about that, may be some others also need to think about from where the 2nd tier will start.

I'm still confused why you're so anti Pak?

Let's breakdown your points. Pakistan has usually had a really good success rate against NZ, a couple of bad series doesn't change that. Until SL came along with a once in a generation performance, no Asian team seemed to come close to beating SA in SA. India has number ones lost the series pretty quickly. Australia is Australia but Pak still had good moments throughout and draw crowds. They have had some pretty competitive series in the past.

Bangladesh has achieved none of that...and I don't even want to compare Pakistan and Bangladesh, not to mentioned Pakistan went 14 series unbeaten in the last decade. Now they are recuperating from losses of major players. I can't remember the last time Bangladesh achieved anywhere near that level of success....and that isn't even Pakistan at its best.

Finally, I did not mention Pakistan's earned revenue from within itself, but revenue through the ICC (you see PCB earning from its own domestic structure, sponsorships, now the PSL and various other streams is different to ICC providing revenue to each individual board), which was agreed in 2017. he next financial cycle will see the PCB, CA, CSA and SLC earn roughly the same amount, (110-115 million dollars). That is the third tier of earnings with the BCCI in the top tier (expected to decrease with each financial cycle however), the ECB in tier two (Expected to decrease ala BCCI). The BCB, which you keep trying to compare to Pakistan cricket, will be in the 4th tier. You can look all this information up, its all in dollars so need for currency conversion :)

But I am sure Bangladesh will do very well.
 
Afghanistan progress has been impressive overtaking bd in 2 format in such a short time is great achievement
 
Afghanistan progress has been impressive overtaking bd in 2 format in such a short time is great achievement

Again, caught in trolling effort - you must haven’t noticed the latest T20 ranking before posting here. This is very similar to your trolling efforts before U19 Asia Cup final - it aged well though.

Sad life, try to get out of it.
 
I'm still confused why you're so anti Pak?

Let's breakdown your points. Pakistan has usually had a really good success rate against NZ, a couple of bad series doesn't change that. Until SL came along with a once in a generation performance, no Asian team seemed to come close to beating SA in SA. India has number ones lost the series pretty quickly. Australia is Australia but Pak still had good moments throughout and draw crowds. They have had some pretty competitive series in the past.

Bangladesh has achieved none of that...and I don't even want to compare Pakistan and Bangladesh, not to mentioned Pakistan went 14 series unbeaten in the last decade. Now they are recuperating from losses of major players. I can't remember the last time Bangladesh achieved anywhere near that level of success....and that isn't even Pakistan at its best.

Finally, I did not mention Pakistan's earned revenue from within itself, but revenue through the ICC (you see PCB earning from its own domestic structure, sponsorships, now the PSL and various other streams is different to ICC providing revenue to each individual board), which was agreed in 2017. he next financial cycle will see the PCB, CA, CSA and SLC earn roughly the same amount, (110-115 million dollars). That is the third tier of earnings with the BCCI in the top tier (expected to decrease with each financial cycle however), the ECB in tier two (Expected to decrease ala BCCI). The BCB, which you keep trying to compare to Pakistan cricket, will be in the 4th tier. You can look all this information up, its all in dollars so need for currency conversion :)

But I am sure Bangladesh will do very well.

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Bro, I know exactly where PCB’s revenue will come, hence mentioned that exchange rate. BCB will get very much similar amount from ICC, but converted at a much lower rate.

Let’s leave the comparison part - Bangladesh shouldn’t be compared with PAK, at least in cricket. Sadly, it’s the PAK posters that often forget that.
 
Again, caught in trolling effort - you must haven’t noticed the latest T20 ranking before posting here.
by merely one point :)) good to see t20 ranking is relevant again since bd have overtaken afghanistan

This is very similar to your trolling efforts before U19 Asia Cup final - it aged well though.

Sad life, try to get out of it.

pardon me what are you talking about? why it is relevant here .i don,t remember u19 asia cup final but i do remember acc final where pakistan kids humiliated bd whose half team were international stars
 
by merely one point :)) good to see t20 ranking is relevant again since bd have overtaken afghanistan



pardon me what are you talking about? why it is relevant here .i don,t remember u19 asia cup final but i do remember acc final where pakistan kids humiliated bd whose half team were international stars

Good that this time you have checked the rankings before posting. It was relevant when AFGs were ahead though, but I hardly ever bother for T20 ranking. However, the issue isn't about relevancy or the size of the gap, not even the ranking position of T20 ..... the issue here is about getting someone pants down in trolling effort - I guess you know who, what, when, how..... keep trying, it's amusement galore.

You indeed should not remember the U19 Asia Cup final for a reason - may be you can check your posts in that thread, it'll give you a "feel bad" experience. ACC Final was won by the better team, and you should remember that also, as it was your team, I also remember that - don't know why you mentioned it here - Did I got my pants down here in a trolling effort for that game?
 
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