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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To those criticising Sarfraz Ahmed's English. His job is to win cricket matches not speak perfect English <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CT17?src=hash">#CT17</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/874571080685555712">June 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To those criticising Sarfraz Ahmed's English. His job is to win cricket matches not speak perfect English <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CT17?src=hash">#CT17</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/874571080685555712">June 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Spot on Saj!
 
Sarfraz during his press conference : Saaaray English kay hain??? Kia hua?? Saaray English kay hain??

Gotta love this guy, he wears his heart on his sleeves, and gives it his best... the expressions on his face usually tell us what's going on in his mind, and he never hides what he is feeling
 
Who cares about how a player speaks some language which is not his native tongue. The last Pakistan captain who spoke well in English was Salman Butt and we all know where he led us to.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To those criticising Sarfraz Ahmed's English. His job is to win cricket matches not speak perfect English <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CT17?src=hash">#CT17</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/874571080685555712">June 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Opening the thread I thought it was you that said this but anyway it's a real shame that it's only really Pakistan that have an issue with speaking English out of all the international teams.
 
Nothing wrong with his English.

Why should a Pakistani speak English with an English accent
 
Who criticized him? What prompted this tweet?

its sad but its all over social media.
when footballers try to speak english and fumble they find its cute . but when people from pakistan does and struggle then they makes all kinda troll videos against them.
this obsession with English in India and Pakistan is beyond me .
 
Not just social media, some channels were mocking his English too. I don't know when will we get out of this mentality. It's not his first language; why would he be good at it?
 
If anything, it makes him rather more interesting and original character. How can anybody not like this guy? :)
 
I agree.How he speaks English doesn't matter.The videos of his press conferences all over social media and I find it quite sickening how people are laughing at him because of his poor English.
 
To some people his speaking ability and leadership aura per say is more important than was he does on the field~setting fields, bowling changes etc.
 
He can speak mandarin for all I care, just keep fighting fella that's all we ask.
Good luck tomorrow buddy we are right behind you.
 
Every job has a profile. If you are dealing with the public and the media, it is important to have good communication skills. Many folks fail job interviews with 4.0 GPAs and stellar academic records because they were not able to make a good impression and were unable to communicate effectively, even though are not going to interact with people on daily basis.

Similarly, a cricket captain needs to a good communicator, and English has become a requirement because only English speaking countries (and countries with English as an official language) play the game, unlike football or tennis. You don't have any French or Spanish journalists asking questions, but you have English speaking journalists and if there is a considerable language-barrier, then it becomes a problem.

For some reason, this topic hits a lot of nerves and triggers folks easily. I am not criticizing Sarfraz because he comes from a humble background and did not have the exposure (and he is actually improving), but the fact is that having a captain who can express himself fluently and coherently is a major plus point. Just look at the way the likes of Kohli and Mathews carry themselves in press conferences and communicate with the journalists and then compare him to Sarfraz, who is a nervous talker in both English and Urdu, seems to be a little camera shy and is not coherent at all. His press-conferences are a complete mess because he is all over the place with his statements.

Obviously, good communication skills cannot take precedence over cricket skills. Masood is the best speaker in the team, but he is a rubbish player. However, having quality players who are also good speakers is a big advantage, and this why the PCB needs to step in - and not listen to the people in this thread - and provide media training to domestic players so that they are not deer in headlights when they have to confront the media.

It seems like people here enjoy the embarrassment the likes of Umar had to face during the 2014 WT20, when he talked about North when asked about South, because who cares about English etc., we are proud Pakistanis and should only communicate in Urdu and let's get over the "colonial mindset" bla bla.

As captain of Pakistan, Sarfraz has to improve his communication skills. In cricketing terms, it means improving his English and his overall coherence (which is found wanting in Urdu as well). That's all.
 
I understand the points you raise but being a cricket captain, has everything to do with cricket and very little with PR. When I made that " Colonial Hangover " thread, people were saying that English is a global communicator. But the post's purpose was to raise awareness that English does not have to be the only communication outlet. Which is why they have translators. Now don't tell me there is not a bias for players who can speak English and what is irksome to many like me, is when the cricketing fans themselves criticize players for not being able to speak proper English. If the man is winning you matches, does it really matter if he has a lisp? For example, I have an uncle who actually has a lisp but it took my own mom almost forty years to realize it. Why? Because everybody was preoccupied by his aggressive actions rather than his minor communication gap. The point of my post being that although you are correct in that management should appoint a captain who can speak English well to communicate, it is not necessary he has to communicate in English. There's subtitles for a reason.
 
Every job has a profile. If you are dealing with the public and the media, it is important to have good communication skills. Many folks fail job interviews with 4.0 GPAs and stellar academic records because they were not able to make a good impression and were unable to communicate effectively, even though are not going to interact with people on daily basis.

Similarly, a cricket captain needs to a good communicator, and English has become a requirement because only English speaking countries (and countries with English as an official language) play the game, unlike football or tennis. You don't have any French or Spanish journalists asking questions, but you have English speaking journalists and if there is a considerable language-barrier, then it becomes a problem.

For some reason, this topic hits a lot of nerves and triggers folks easily. I am not criticizing Sarfraz because he comes from a humble background and did not have the exposure (and he is actually improving), but the fact is that having a captain who can express himself fluently and coherently is a major plus point. Just look at the way the likes of Kohli and Mathews carry themselves in press conferences and communicate with the journalists and then compare him to Sarfraz, who is a nervous talker in both English and Urdu, seems to be a little camera shy and is not coherent at all. His press-conferences are a complete mess because he is all over the place with his statements.

Obviously, good communication skills cannot take precedence over cricket skills. Masood is the best speaker in the team, but he is a rubbish player. However, having quality players who are also good speakers is a big advantage, and this why the PCB needs to step in - and not listen to the people in this thread - and provide media training to domestic players so that they are not deer in headlights when they have to confront the media.

It seems like people here enjoy the embarrassment the likes of Umar had to face during the 2014 WT20, when he talked about North when asked about South, because who cares about English etc., we are proud Pakistanis and should only communicate in Urdu and let's get over the "colonial mindset" bla bla.

As captain of Pakistan, Sarfraz has to improve his communication skills. In cricketing terms, it means improving his English and his overall coherence (which is found wanting in Urdu as well). That's all.

I Disagree. While there is nothing wrong in improving your english, its not something a cricket captain cant live without. Sarfaraz can always have a translator sitting next to him if he feels. If cricket spreads to other non-english speaking countries 20 years from now, you wont see many captains who can be fluent in english. Same is the case in football. A translator is all that a non-english speaker needs to communicate to media.

Having said that, i would reiterate there is nothing wrong in trying to improve your english.
 
Every job has a profile. If you are dealing with the public and the media, it is important to have good communication skills. Many folks fail job interviews with 4.0 GPAs and stellar academic records because they were not able to make a good impression and were unable to communicate effectively, even though are not going to interact with people on daily basis.

Similarly, a cricket captain needs to a good communicator, and English has become a requirement because only English speaking countries (and countries with English as an official language) play the game, unlike football or tennis. You don't have any French or Spanish journalists asking questions, but you have English speaking journalists and if there is a considerable language-barrier, then it becomes a problem.

For some reason, this topic hits a lot of nerves and triggers folks easily. I am not criticizing Sarfraz because he comes from a humble background and did not have the exposure (and he is actually improving), but the fact is that having a captain who can express himself fluently and coherently is a major plus point. Just look at the way the likes of Kohli and Mathews carry themselves in press conferences and communicate with the journalists and then compare him to Sarfraz, who is a nervous talker in both English and Urdu, seems to be a little camera shy and is not coherent at all. His press-conferences are a complete mess because he is all over the place with his statements.

Obviously, good communication skills cannot take precedence over cricket skills. Masood is the best speaker in the team, but he is a rubbish player. However, having quality players who are also good speakers is a big advantage, and this why the PCB needs to step in - and not listen to the people in this thread - and provide media training to domestic players so that they are not deer in headlights when they have to confront the media.

It seems like people here enjoy the embarrassment the likes of Umar had to face during the 2014 WT20, when he talked about North when asked about South, because who cares about English etc., we are proud Pakistanis and should only communicate in Urdu and let's get over the "colonial mindset" bla bla.

As captain of Pakistan, Sarfraz has to improve his communication skills. In cricketing terms, it means improving his English and his overall coherence (which is found wanting in Urdu as well). That's all.

Great balanced post. Totally agreed Specially on PCB's role to provide media and communication training to domestic players. Spot on.
 
I Disagree. While there is nothing wrong in improving your english, its not something a cricket captain cant live without. Sarfaraz can always have a translator sitting next to him if he feels. If cricket spreads to other non-english speaking countries 20 years from now, you wont see many captains who can be fluent in english. Same is the case in football. A translator is all that a non-english speaker needs to communicate to media.

Having said that, i would reiterate there is nothing wrong in trying to improve your english.

I think he is spot on, One reason why Misbah was more recognized by cricket followers all around was the way he handled the media and communication. Where you should express yourself, Where you must be more democratic in your response, It must be considered in communication and media training of players which ultimately contributes to how they respond and carry themselves in media and press.

Very good post by [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
 
I think he is spot on, One reason why Misbah was more recognized by cricket followers all around was the way he handled the media and communication. Where you should express yourself, Where you must be more democratic in your response, It must be considered in communication and media training of players which ultimately contributes to how they respond and carry themselves in media and press.

Very good post by [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

Media training is a different thing than english training. Nothing wrong in media training. It would help the players in being more intelligent and overcome the cultural barriers in their responses. The captain can still speak in urdu and his intelligent responses could be translated by the translator. If the captain improves his english and speaks himself, thats great as well. It shouldnt be made a pre-requisite or an important part of the captain's job profile like has been suggested by some posters.

Misbah was recognized because of his cricketing skills and captaincy, not his communication. His communication (not english) in terms of the intelligence of his responses only enhanced his reputation as an ambassador of the game. Inzimam had poor communication skills but got immense recognition for what he did on the field.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To those criticising Sarfraz Ahmed's English. His job is to win cricket matches not speak perfect English <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CT17?src=hash">#CT17</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/874571080685555712">June 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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actually he can choose to reply in Urdu. i don't know what is wrong with it. if others wants to understand what he is saying either learn Urdu or get an interpreter. he is the man in focus here and not the ones asking questions
 
No one should laugh at his speaking skills or critisize it. His job is to win cricket matches and not give the best speeches.
Having said that he has to try to improve his english. He is the captain of the team and he will be facing media most of the time so he should look to improve. PCB should organize some lessons for him and rest of the team. He is a very intelligent man and has alot to say when asked a question but due to language barriere he will just reply with simple words and his real message will not get through.

And a guy who is Hafiz e Quran is usually a quick learner so I think he will get better if he takes the right steps to learn it.
 
Every job has a profile. If you are dealing with the public and the media, it is important to have good communication skills. Many folks fail job interviews with 4.0 GPAs and stellar academic records because they were not able to make a good impression and were unable to communicate effectively, even though are not going to interact with people on daily basis.

Similarly, a cricket captain needs to a good communicator, and English has become a requirement because only English speaking countries (and countries with English as an official language) play the game, unlike football or tennis. You don't have any French or Spanish journalists asking questions, but you have English speaking journalists and if there is a considerable language-barrier, then it becomes a problem.

For some reason, this topic hits a lot of nerves and triggers folks easily. I am not criticizing Sarfraz because he comes from a humble background and did not have the exposure (and he is actually improving), but the fact is that having a captain who can express himself fluently and coherently is a major plus point. Just look at the way the likes of Kohli and Mathews carry themselves in press conferences and communicate with the journalists and then compare him to Sarfraz, who is a nervous talker in both English and Urdu, seems to be a little camera shy and is not coherent at all. His press-conferences are a complete mess because he is all over the place with his statements.

Obviously, good communication skills cannot take precedence over cricket skills. Masood is the best speaker in the team, but he is a rubbish player. However, having quality players who are also good speakers is a big advantage, and this why the PCB needs to step in - and not listen to the people in this thread - and provide media training to domestic players so that they are not deer in headlights when they have to confront the media.

It seems like people here enjoy the embarrassment the likes of Umar had to face during the 2014 WT20, when he talked about North when asked about South, because who cares about English etc., we are proud Pakistanis and should only communicate in Urdu and let's get over the "colonial mindset" bla bla.

As captain of Pakistan, Sarfraz has to improve his communication skills. In cricketing terms, it means improving his English and his overall coherence (which is found wanting in Urdu as well). That's all.

I think its pretty clear why it strikes a nerve. It goes to colonial complexes as well as class prejudices
that many of us know only too well. Lots of people don't like Sarfraz because he didn't go to Aitchison.
Because in their mind people from Aitchison have a divine right to rule if not the world, then at least
Pakistan.

I think it's telling that you gave as examples of eloquence players who are good players. "Just look at
the way the likes of Kohli and Mathews carry themselves in press conferences "

Most of us don't admire Kohli and Matthews for how they carry themselves in press conferences. Most
of us don't care very much about press conferences period. How you feel when they are given is a function
of what happened on the cricket field.

And in so far as most of us feel this way, it is strange to read sentences like "Sarfraz has to improve his communication skills." "Has to" entails an "Or else" but there is no plausible "Or else" at play here. If he does it's great and we should admire him more. If he doesn't he doesn't and it will have no meaningful consequences.
 
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Every job has a profile. If you are dealing with the public and the media, it is important to have good communication skills. Many folks fail job interviews with 4.0 GPAs and stellar academic records because they were not able to make a good impression and were unable to communicate effectively, even though are not going to interact with people on daily basis.

Similarly, a cricket captain needs to a good communicator, and English has become a requirement because only English speaking countries (and countries with English as an official language) play the game, unlike football or tennis. You don't have any French or Spanish journalists asking questions, but you have English speaking journalists and if there is a considerable language-barrier, then it becomes a problem.

For some reason, this topic hits a lot of nerves and triggers folks easily. I am not criticizing Sarfraz because he comes from a humble background and did not have the exposure (and he is actually improving), but the fact is that having a captain who can express himself fluently and coherently is a major plus point. Just look at the way the likes of Kohli and Mathews carry themselves in press conferences and communicate with the journalists and then compare him to Sarfraz, who is a nervous talker in both English and Urdu, seems to be a little camera shy and is not coherent at all. His press-conferences are a complete mess because he is all over the place with his statements.

Obviously, good communication skills cannot take precedence over cricket skills. Masood is the best speaker in the team, but he is a rubbish player. However, having quality players who are also good speakers is a big advantage, and this why the PCB needs to step in - and not listen to the people in this thread - and provide media training to domestic players so that they are not deer in headlights when they have to confront the media.

It seems like people here enjoy the embarrassment the likes of Umar had to face during the 2014 WT20, when he talked about North when asked about South, because who cares about English etc., we are proud Pakistanis and should only communicate in Urdu and let's get over the "colonial mindset" bla bla.

As captain of Pakistan, Sarfraz has to improve his communication skills. In cricketing terms, it means improving his English and his overall coherence (which is found wanting in Urdu as well). That's all.

agreed to most of it but disagree that he needs to be good in English. he can still be very good communicator if he communicates well in Urdu. obviously improving his english will do world of good for him, but not a prerequisite for his role. one thing that stands out is he may not be a good communicator in Urdu as well, which i think is really bad. Most important skill required for a leader is ability to communicate his vision. Language is not really important but good to have..
 
actually he can choose to reply in Urdu. i don't know what is wrong with it. if others wants to understand what he is saying either learn Urdu or get an interpreter. he is the man in focus here and not the ones asking questions

he should absolutely do this
 
Do not confuse good communication skills with the ability to speak a language wether it's English or Urdu. All he needs to do is to be able to communicate with his team and he seems to be able to do that.
Diego Maradona could not speak a word of English and yet won 2 world cups for his country.
 
Mamoon is right to an extent.

But I don't agree with the notion Sarfraz needs to improve his English. Rather, he needs to improve communication in his stronger language (Urdu).

There's nothing wrong in using a translator if he's uncomfortable. The broken English is what leads to misunderstood statements which can hamper team morale or hurt his image in the public's eye.

PAK players are often guilty of forcing it in English.
 
I think its pretty clear why it strikes a nerve. It goes to colonial complexes as well as class prejudices
that many of us know only too well. Lots of people don't like Sarfraz because he didn't go to Aitchison.
Because in their mind people from Aitchison have a divine right to rule if not the world, then at least
Pakistan.

I think it's telling that you gave as examples of eloquence players who are good players. "Just look at
the way the likes of Kohli and Mathews carry themselves in press conferences "

Most of us don't admire Kohli and Matthews for how they carry themselves in press conferences. Most
of us don't care very much about press conferences period. How you feel when they are given is a function
of what happened on the cricket field.

And in so far as most of us feel this way, it is strange to read sentences like "Sarfraz has to improve his communication skills." "Has to" entails an "Or else" but there is no plausible "Or else" at play here. If he does it's great and we should admire him more. If he doesn't he doesn't and it will have no meaningful consequences.

Kohli and Mathews are not admired for their communication skills but for their cricket skills. Well yes, that is obvious. However, the point that I am trying to make is that it is obviously a plus point. To say that Sarfraz or any other captain does not need to improve or work on his communication skills is absolutely incorrect.

Yes certain people don't like Sarfraz because of where he's from and all of that, but that is there problem, and it does not justify the lack of thought the PCB and Pakistani cricketers give to media training.
 
agreed to most of it but disagree that he needs to be good in English. he can still be very good communicator if he communicates well in Urdu. obviously improving his english will do world of good for him, but not a prerequisite for his role. one thing that stands out is he may not be a good communicator in Urdu as well, which i think is really bad. Most important skill required for a leader is ability to communicate his vision. Language is not really important but good to have..

He is a poor communicator in Urdu as well. However, improving his English (and he is improving actually) will certainly be a plus point, considering how often a cricket captain has to converse in English. It has become quite a necessity in my view.
 
why someone needs to hire an interpreter its a very painduana logic, the footballers dont keep english interpretors besides them, the media can choose to send journalists who speak urdu, its not also very hard in UK as loads of pakistani available for that
 
Would it cost a lot to hire an interpreter for him? While he should work hard during his spare time to improve his English skills as the likes of Wasim, Waqar, Azhar Mahmood, Saqlain Mushtaq and co are living proof that you can improve your English skills with practice, interaction but you don't see Russians, French, Spanish, Chinese, Japanese feel ashamed of conversing in their native tongue, in fact a lot of people from these countries proudly speak their native tongue even if they know English well.
 
Why are you making the assumption that he has not tried to improve his language skills. I think he has improved his ability to speak English significantly.
It takes real courage to face up at a post game interview or a press conference when English is a not your first language. The ability to speak English is NOT a prerequisite to be the captain of the Pakistan cricket team nor should it be.
 
What happened was that at the press conference after the S Lanka match an English journalist asked Sarfraz a question which he answered incorrectly as he didn't understand the question. No big deal as he corrected himself.

However 2 issues here:

1. The PCB media guy just stood there not doing his job. These guys are on free holidays and are simply not doing what they are supposed to be doing.

2. Some on social media have been criticising Sarfraz for this, which I think is unfair.
 
He represents the team so yes comms is important.

I would like for him to speak slower. Get speech therapy. I know he spent his childhood doing hafiz which explains his fast speech. He needs to slow it down and exude more authority in front of media. Its not an insult just an area where he can improve. Like Mamoon said leadership has many facets.
 
Every job has a profile. If you are dealing with the public and the media, it is important to have good communication skills. Many folks fail job interviews with 4.0 GPAs and stellar academic records because they were not able to make a good impression and were unable to communicate effectively, even though are not going to interact with people on daily basis.

Similarly, a cricket captain needs to a good communicator, and English has become a requirement because only English speaking countries (and countries with English as an official language) play the game, unlike football or tennis. You don't have any French or Spanish journalists asking questions, but you have English speaking journalists and if there is a considerable language-barrier, then it becomes a problem.

For some reason, this topic hits a lot of nerves and triggers folks easily. I am not criticizing Sarfraz because he comes from a humble background and did not have the exposure (and he is actually improving), but the fact is that having a captain who can express himself fluently and coherently is a major plus point. Just look at the way the likes of Kohli and Mathews carry themselves in press conferences and communicate with the journalists and then compare him to Sarfraz, who is a nervous talker in both English and Urdu, seems to be a little camera shy and is not coherent at all. His press-conferences are a complete mess because he is all over the place with his statements.

Obviously, good communication skills cannot take precedence over cricket skills. Masood is the best speaker in the team, but he is a rubbish player. However, having quality players who are also good speakers is a big advantage, and this why the PCB needs to step in - and not listen to the people in this thread - and provide media training to domestic players so that they are not deer in headlights when they have to confront the media.

It seems like people here enjoy the embarrassment the likes of Umar had to face during the 2014 WT20, when he talked about North when asked about South, because who cares about English etc., we are proud Pakistanis and should only communicate in Urdu and let's get over the "colonial mindset" bla bla.

As captain of Pakistan, Sarfraz has to improve his communication skills. In cricketing terms, it means improving his English and his overall coherence (which is found wanting in Urdu as well). That's all.

No he does not. Why is it any different to football? Just because it is the number 1 language does not mean it is a requirement for everyone to learn it. In fact in this day and age, with translators readily available, it is not an issue. When England tour the sub continent, they do not worry about the local language and nor should Pakistan players.

End of the day their job is to play cricket. Media duties are just a formality.

Also when Sarfraz gives an interview, the main target audience is the Pakistan fans and public. I really doubt the majority of fans from English speaking countries give a damn about what Sarfraz has to say, so why should he go out of his way to try and satisfy them?
 
Well english or no english doesn't matter, i recommend him speaking only in urdu and whoever wants to know what he's talking about should get a translator.
No shame in speaking your mother language, its us Pakistanis who have extreme level of complexes.
 
To summarize my thoughts in one post instead of repeating myself by replying to everyone individually, I really don't get this attitude of considering improvement in communication skills (and English) a cardinal sin and a crime for Pakistani players. They have to converse in English frequently and trying to improve at something that you have to do frequently is surprisingly a good idea.

For example, if I have to work in a place where Spanish is predominantly the main language and if I refuse to work on my Spanish because a) it is not my job requirement b) as long as I am doing my job nobody should care about my language c) if the others don't speak my language, why should I d) I should be a proud Pakistani and speak Urdu and/or my local language only, then I clearly have an attitude problem.

This type of discussion generally drifts to the obvious argument that their cricket skills are more important than their communication skills. Yes that is as obvious as it gets, but the questions to ponder are:

- Are improved communication skills a plus point? The answer is a resounding yes.

- Will improving their communication skills have a detrimental impact on their cricket skills? Absolutely not.

- Does working on their communication skills and their English show that they are not proud of their own language? Absolutely not.

Hence, we don't even need to debate this point. There are advantages but no disadvantages to off-set the former. It is quite funny and ironic that we are happy to wear Western clothes, eat Western food, communicate in English on a forum called ''PakPassion", and even live in Western countries, but we are suddenly reminded of our culture and honour when it comes to the language of the Pakistani players.
 
Its about lack of Education not English


I don't think its about unhappy. If you are a Pakistani and can speak decent English, means hold a conversation and articular your thoughts clearly, that generally means you may have some education. Because English is main language of education...

Fun at Sarfraz is more about his lack of basic education and not about knowing any particular language, aka English. When I first heard interview of Babar Azam, I was very disappointed at his urdu, it appeared he has pretty much no education...Babar Azam is not from poor family, he has 2 test cricketer in his family and lives in Lahore and groomed from very early age, what is his or PCB excuse of not educated?? - Clearly education is not priority at all in the ranks of PCB...

Why education is important for players? - Well, this limits their growth and professionalism, there is a reason we are unprofessional side, we are hot and cold in performances, fitness issues, controversies of fixing/politics/infighting etc. Education is fundamentally necessary in this century for every citizen, we have zero education in the only sports we play as a nation, that is shameful &#55357;&#56864;

These guys are not just poor in english, but cannot articulate their thoughts in urdu either in a professional manner. Look at how Sarfraz talks in urdu(for get about English) and compare that to somebody like Sanga (in English), you will get what I mean...
 
every job has a profile. If you are dealing with the public and the media, it is important to have good communication skills. Many folks fail job interviews with 4.0 gpas and stellar academic records because they were not able to make a good impression and were unable to communicate effectively, even though are not going to interact with people on daily basis.

Similarly, a cricket captain needs to a good communicator, and english has become a requirement because only english speaking countries (and countries with english as an official language) play the game, unlike football or tennis. You don't have any french or spanish journalists asking questions, but you have english speaking journalists and if there is a considerable language-barrier, then it becomes a problem.

For some reason, this topic hits a lot of nerves and triggers folks easily. I am not criticizing sarfraz because he comes from a humble background and did not have the exposure (and he is actually improving), but the fact is that having a captain who can express himself fluently and coherently is a major plus point. Just look at the way the likes of kohli and mathews carry themselves in press conferences and communicate with the journalists and then compare him to sarfraz, who is a nervous talker in both english and urdu, seems to be a little camera shy and is not coherent at all. His press-conferences are a complete mess because he is all over the place with his statements.

Obviously, good communication skills cannot take precedence over cricket skills. Masood is the best speaker in the team, but he is a rubbish player. However, having quality players who are also good speakers is a big advantage, and this why the pcb needs to step in - and not listen to the people in this thread - and provide media training to domestic players so that they are not deer in headlights when they have to confront the media.

It seems like people here enjoy the embarrassment the likes of umar had to face during the 2014 wt20, when he talked about north when asked about south, because who cares about english etc., we are proud pakistanis and should only communicate in urdu and let's get over the "colonial mindset" bla bla.

As captain of pakistan, sarfraz has to improve his communication skills. In cricketing terms, it means improving his english and his overall coherence (which is found wanting in urdu as well). That's all.

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Those criticising someone for how they speak in a foreign lingo should realise how difficult it is to do so. Let's not even bother talk about how us, British people communicate when we're abroad.

Don't be snobs, for goodness sake.
 
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Also what has money got to do with how you should speak?

Do people that play in the IPL speak fluent Hindi?

Some seriously stupid comments here.
 
Every job has a profile. If you are dealing with the public and the media, it is important to have good communication skills. Many folks fail job interviews with 4.0 GPAs and stellar academic records because they were not able to make a good impression and were unable to communicate effectively, even though are not going to interact with people on daily basis.

Similarly, a cricket captain needs to a good communicator, and English has become a requirement because only English speaking countries (and countries with English as an official language) play the game, unlike football or tennis. You don't have any French or Spanish journalists asking questions, but you have English speaking journalists and if there is a considerable language-barrier, then it becomes a problem.....
If you think there is a problem then there is a problem. Just get an interpreter. Nothing wrong with that. There will clear communication and will breeze through media sessions.
 
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Obviously they can live without it, but the question is, is it a plus point or not? Of course it is, and thus there is absolutely nothing wrong in improving on that front. They don't have to retire research papers in English with perfect grammar; they only need express themselves - and comprehend others - in a more coherent manner.

Inzamam and Misbah are very fine examples. The former was a great player and commanded a lot of respect, but "boys played well" also made him the butt of jokes. On the contrary, Misbah was a much inferior cricketer but he commanded a lot more respect because of the way he carried himself, the way he interacted with people and the way he intelligently expressed his views and thoughts.
 
Oh please, to those who are saying his job is to play cricket and not speak English - kindly wake up and look outside, its 2017 not 1977.

Learning new languages, especially one like English which is used globally, is always a good thing.

Most cricketing countries, including Bangaladesh, speak proficient enough English to be able to communicate fluently with the press/media.

This Inzamam tradition of broken english...is not a example to follow:

Match lost.

Post match interview:

Media: So Inzamam, you came up short today, what happened?

Inzamam: First of all, thanks to Allah. Boys working hard, boys trying.

No thanks ! I prefer a Captain who can communicate with the world - you are representing Pakistan not a galli muhallah.

Learn English, it will not just help you with your communication with the cricketing world, but will help you grow as an individual.

Maybe it will also help you get a proper JOB once you retire, instead of following the typical uneducated Pakistani cricket player example - which is to keep playing past their due date then beg PCB for a job because they dont have enough language and professional skills to get a proper job in the corporate sector when their career is over.
 
If you think there is a problem then there is a problem. Just get an interpreter. Nothing wrong with that. There will clear communication and will breeze through media sessions.

A cricket captain is a leader, and a leader needs to express himself and you cannot express yourself if you cannot communicate. They are not mime artists, and cricket is not silent comedy.

Yes they should get translators, they should not answer questions, they should misinterpret questions. Basically, they should do everything but improve themselves.
 
No he does not. Why is it any different to football? Just because it is the number 1 language does not mean it is a requirement for everyone to learn it. In fact in this day and age, with translators readily available, it is not an issue. When England tour the sub continent, they do not worry about the local language and nor should Pakistan players.

End of the day their job is to play cricket. Media duties are just a formality.

The answer to this lies in my first post.

Also when Sarfraz gives an interview, the main target audience is the Pakistan fans and public. I really doubt the majority of fans from English speaking countries give a damn about what Sarfraz has to say, so why should he go out of his way to try and satisfy them?

Well said, this is exactly the type of attitude that we need. Our players do not need to give a damn about all the journalists who are asking them questions, because they are not answerable to them and they do not have to communicate with them. They should simply ignore what they have to say.
 
Oh please, to those who are saying his job is to play cricket and not speak English - kindly wake up and look outside, its 2017 not 1977.

Learning new languages, especially one like English which is used globally, is always a good thing.

Most cricketing countries, including Bangaladesh, speak proficient enough English to be able to communicate fluently with the press/media.

This Inzamam tradition of broken english...is not a example to follow:

Match lost.

Post match interview:

Media: So Inzamam, you came up short today, what happened?

Inzamam: First of all, thanks to Allah. Boys working hard, boys trying.

No thanks ! I prefer a Captain who can communicate with the world - you are representing Pakistan not a galli muhallah.

Learn English, it will not just help you with your communication with the cricketing world, but will help you grow as an individual.

Maybe it will also help you get a proper JOB once you retire, instead of following the typical uneducated Pakistani cricket player example - which is to keep playing past their due date then beg PCB for a job because they dont have enough language and professional skills to get a proper job in the corporate sector when their career is over.

But you have a colonial mindset, you are a snob, you are not proud of your culture etc. etc.
 
My request to BCCI and the SLCB is that they should encourage their players to communicate like Pakistani players if they want to a) improve as cricketers and b) show patriotism and love for their countries.

They should only speak in Hindi, Gujarati, Sinhalese, Tamil etc.
 
^ and they also need to form a PCB-style committee to investigate why their players are proficient in speaking English, since it is highly disrespectful to their own culture and reflects their colonial mentality.

Be like Pakistani cricketers, be patriotic. InshAllah boys will play well and it will be a team effort.
 
The answer to this lies in my first post.



Well said, this is exactly the type of attitude that we need. Our players do not need to give a damn about all the journalists who are asking them questions, because they are not answerable to them and they do not have to communicate with them. They should simply ignore what they have to say.

You are talking as if learning a different language is easy work. It takes a lot of time and effort which as professional athletes they do not have. As well as this it is not something that is high on the priority list either. I mean, surely as a cricketer you would like to spend your time improving your game and technique rather than your language skills.

Also, outside of the game, they have families. I suspect they would much rather spend additional time with their family than learning a new language for a few interviews here and there.
 
You are talking as if learning a different language is easy work. It takes a lot of time and effort which as professional athletes they do not have. As well as this it is not something that is high on the priority list either. I mean, surely as a cricketer you would like to spend your time improving your game and technique rather than your language skills.

Also, outside of the game, they have families. I suspect they would much rather spend additional time with their family than learning a new language for a few interviews here and there.

As I said, they do not need to be experts in English; they do not need to write research papers with proper grammar. They simply need to communicate effectively, and if the PCB provides them with some media training and coaching classes, it will not interfere with their professional and personal lives. These are lazy excuses.
 
As I said, they do not need to be experts in English; they do not need to write research papers with proper grammar. They simply need to communicate effectively, and if the PCB provides them with some media training and coaching classes, it will not interfere with their professional and personal lives. These are lazy excuses.


There is a reason why no Pakistani is employed as a professional head coach by any other country! No one wants someone who cant even communicate properly....how many pakistani commentators are there...Raja,Akram and on desperate days Bazid and Aamir Sohail ?

I wonder why.......!
 
Why should one criticize his English? He is there to play cricket and that's all he has to do whether he knows English or not.

Do you want a good captain with poor English or a Poor captain with good English?
 
I don't get why Pakistani players get so much heat for not speaking English?

Many soccer players don't and no one cares. I watch a lot of boxing and so many boxers can't speak English and no one seems to care. I couldn't careless about Sarfraz's English, I just want to see a good performance on the field.
 
Its all irrelevant garbage...dont care what language he speaks, it could be chinese for all I care, as long as he communicates what he's trying to say and the journos present there understand it.
Go Sarfraz Go..
 
Absolutely but he should get a translator so it doesn't look awkward. It's better if he answers all questions in Urdu because sometimes broken English can be taken out of context.
 
As captain he should be able to communicate effectively and understand questions in English. It the main language spoken in English so having a basic understanding in the language is important.

Also sometimes our boys don't respond well to media questions even in Urdu. Pcb should definitely look at some form of media training.
 
Its all irrelevant garbage...dont care what language he speaks, it could be chinese for all I care, as long as he communicates what he's trying to say and the journos present there understand it.
Go Sarfraz Go..

This is a business.

As skipper, he's a representative of that business. It's the same reasons press conferences are held, or interviews take place.

Whether he speaks in English or Urdu, it should be spoken with some semblance of coherence. Sarfraz has already shown multiple examples of poor word choice, and that could come back to haunt him.
 
We was watching the highlights last night on BBC and while being interviewed Sarfraz replied to a question regarding Pakistans opener in his fast Karachi street accent

" you know the fakar good player"
We couldn't stop laughing
 
What happened was that at the press conference after the S Lanka match an English journalist asked Sarfraz a question which he answered incorrectly as he didn't understand the question. No big deal as he corrected himself.

However 2 issues here:

1. The PCB media guy just stood there not doing his job. These guys are on free holidays and are simply not doing what they are supposed to be doing.

2. Some on social media have been criticising Sarfraz for this, which I think is unfair.

Agreed 1 million percent the guys they pay are useless and don't know how to translate correctly and if you want a translator get a younger slightly more friendly and a more appealing person not friends United
 
To summarize my thoughts in one post instead of repeating myself by replying to everyone individually, I really don't get this attitude of considering improvement in communication skills (and English) a cardinal sin and a crime for Pakistani players. They have to converse in English frequently and trying to improve at something that you have to do frequently is surprisingly a good idea.

For example, if I have to work in a place where Spanish is predominantly the main language and if I refuse to work on my Spanish because a) it is not my job requirement b) as long as I am doing my job nobody should care about my language c) if the others don't speak my language, why should I d) I should be a proud Pakistani and speak Urdu and/or my local language only, then I clearly have an attitude problem.

This type of discussion generally drifts to the obvious argument that their cricket skills are more important than their communication skills. Yes that is as obvious as it gets, but the questions to ponder are:

- Are improved communication skills a plus point? The answer is a resounding yes.

- Will improving their communication skills have a detrimental impact on their cricket skills? Absolutely not.

- Does working on their communication skills and their English show that they are not proud of their own language? Absolutely not.

Hence, we don't even need to debate this point. There are advantages but no disadvantages to off-set the former. It is quite funny and ironic that we are happy to wear Western clothes, eat Western food, communicate in English on a forum called ''PakPassion", and even live in Western countries, but we are suddenly reminded of our culture and honour when it comes to the language of the Pakistani players.

Leo Messi is the greatest footballer on the planet. He makes 40 million euros per year and puts a smile on faces of people around the world. He does a hundred times the interviews that Sarfraz does. Does anyone care that Messi can't speak English? NO WAY! Go on youtube and watch some of his interviews with American and English journalists. They just have someone sitting there who is good at translation and can do it professionally, and it's not an issue whatsoever.

Our problem is not that our players can't speak English. It's that we do not have any professional translators that are media savvy and can help bridge the communication gap.
 
Go out there and perform on the field , those saying you need to be a good communicator to be a captain , sarfraz captains Pakistan not England he can do that in Urdu
 
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Obviously they can live without it, but the question is, is it a plus point or not? Of course it is, and thus there is absolutely nothing wrong in improving on that front. They don't have to retire research papers in English with perfect grammar; they only need express themselves - and comprehend others - in a more coherent manner.

Yes its a plus point. Its a plus point as good as knowing how to dress well before appearing infront of media is a plus point. Both are irrelevant to the game though. I agree that there is nothing wrong in improving on any language for your general growth as an individual but speaking in english is NOT part of the job profile of a captain in cricket. Yes its looks good, i agree. I mean who doesnt like when there captains converse fluently with others in the language everyone is speaking in. Still not an obligation I'm afraid. Thats the way it is.

You are spot on when you talk about general communication skills - english or urdu. This can fall in somewhat an important category because you have to put your views across exactly the manner in which they are in your mind. The person translating it for you in a media conference needs that from you. Apart from this, media training could help in overcoming certain cultural barriers eg. It could curb the use of words which have religious undertones.

Inzamam and Misbah are very fine examples. The former was a great player and commanded a lot of respect, but "boys played well" also made him the butt of jokes. On the contrary, Misbah was a much inferior cricketer but he commanded a lot more respect because of the way he carried himself, the way he interacted with people and the way he intelligently expressed his views and thoughts.

Lets be honest here, Misbah didnt command "a lot more" respect than Inzi. You can ask anyone in the cricketing circles who they respect more as a cricketer and most will say Inzi who infact was a much superior player.

You are raising a petty issue using this example. So good english should be learned so that one doesnt become a butt of jokes? Well, Misbah too was a butt of jokes for his age, slow strike rate, his nose etc. Fact is, bad english isnt the only thing people make fun of. You cannot stop people from making fun of you because they will find new flaws in you every now and then.

The best way forward is to be confident in who you are and at the same time acknowledge any shortcomings. Follow it up by improving yourself and being honest to yourself while doing it. Its advised not give two hoots about what others think about you.
 
Two best footballers in the world speak very broken English at best. Ronaldo even played football in England for a number of years. What matters is their sporting skill and not their communication skills.
 
Two best footballers in the world speak very broken English at best. Ronaldo even played football in England for a number of years. What matters is their sporting skill and not their communication skills.

They are jahils. This is 2017 not 1970s. They should learn english immediately or else i would respect baichung bhutia more than them.
 
To summarize my thoughts in one post instead of repeating myself by replying to everyone individually, I really don't get this attitude of considering improvement in communication skills (and English) a cardinal sin and a crime for Pakistani players. They have to converse in English frequently and trying to improve at something that you have to do frequently is surprisingly a good idea.

For example, if I have to work in a place where Spanish is predominantly the main language and if I refuse to work on my Spanish because a) it is not my job requirement b) as long as I am doing my job nobody should care about my language c) if the others don't speak my language, why should I d) I should be a proud Pakistani and speak Urdu and/or my local language only, then I clearly have an attitude problem.

This type of discussion generally drifts to the obvious argument that their cricket skills are more important than their communication skills. Yes that is as obvious as it gets, but the questions to ponder are:

- Are improved communication skills a plus point? The answer is a resounding yes.

- Will improving their communication skills have a detrimental impact on their cricket skills? Absolutely not.

- Does working on their communication skills and their English show that they are not proud of their own language? Absolutely not.

Hence, we don't even need to debate this point. There are advantages but no disadvantages to off-set the former. It is quite funny and ironic that we are happy to wear Western clothes, eat Western food, communicate in English on a forum called ''PakPassion", and even live in Western countries, but we are suddenly reminded of our culture and honour when it comes to the language of the Pakistani players.

Most profiling players who understand the concept of responsibility have learnt English. Like Afridi, Malik, Wasim Akram, Waqar etc.

Agree, it will help communicate.

But, people criticizing for unable to speak fluent English is just absurd. He try and somewhat able to put his point across.

Your points are valid but it shouldn't be absolute requirement neither a person should be put down because he/she is unable to speak a foreign language. Speaking a foreign languages when it is absolutely necessary at awork place then it is a requirement but this is cricket, it isn't necessary nor the criteria to be selected to play for Pakistan.
 
To be honest Mamoon has raised some very good points.

Yes making fun of Sarfraz is pathetic and the PCB needs better media staff.

But it is common sense to improve something which is important for a captain : communication and perception.

Sarfraz talks too fast and nervously. Some simple training will help slow him down and calm him down.

Learning English has never harmed anyone but isn't essential so just improve his overall vocab and understanding.

This isn't a massive issue but just a matter of professionalism and managing the media.

Truth is we need all the positive publicity we can get as a country so having a media savvy captain is a useful thing.
 
Every job has a profile. If you are dealing with the public and the media, it is important to have good communication skills. Many folks fail job interviews with 4.0 GPAs and stellar academic records because they were not able to make a good impression and were unable to communicate effectively, even though are not going to interact with people on daily basis.

Similarly, a cricket captain needs to a good communicator, and English has become a requirement because only English speaking countries (and countries with English as an official language) play the game, unlike football or tennis. You don't have any French or Spanish journalists asking questions, but you have English speaking journalists and if there is a considerable language-barrier, then it becomes a problem.

For some reason, this topic hits a lot of nerves and triggers folks easily. I am not criticizing Sarfraz because he comes from a humble background and did not have the exposure (and he is actually improving), but the fact is that having a captain who can express himself fluently and coherently is a major plus point. Just look at the way the likes of Kohli and Mathews carry themselves in press conferences and communicate with the journalists and then compare him to Sarfraz, who is a nervous talker in both English and Urdu, seems to be a little camera shy and is not coherent at all. His press-conferences are a complete mess because he is all over the place with his statements.

Obviously, good communication skills cannot take precedence over cricket skills. Masood is the best speaker in the team, but he is a rubbish player. However, having quality players who are also good speakers is a big advantage, and this why the PCB needs to step in - and not listen to the people in this thread - and provide media training to domestic players so that they are not deer in headlights when they have to confront the media.

It seems like people here enjoy the embarrassment the likes of Umar had to face during the 2014 WT20, when he talked about North when asked about South, because who cares about English etc., we are proud Pakistanis and should only communicate in Urdu and let's get over the "colonial mindset" bla bla.

As captain of Pakistan, Sarfraz has to improve his communication skills. In cricketing terms, it means improving his English and his overall coherence (which is found wanting in Urdu as well). That's all.

totally agree. question asked are usually similar in context after every match.. answers can easy be learnt before doing the conference.. But good thing is sarfaraz is improving everytime he speaks to the press and so is Amir.
 
Yes its a plus point. Its a plus point as good as knowing how to dress well before appearing infront of media is a plus point. Both are irrelevant to the game though. I agree that there is nothing wrong in improving on any language for your general growth as an individual but speaking in english is NOT part of the job profile of a captain in cricket. Yes its looks good, i agree. I mean who doesnt like when there captains converse fluently with others in the language everyone is speaking in. Still not an obligation I'm afraid. Thats the way it is.

You are spot on when you talk about general communication skills - english or urdu. This can fall in somewhat an important category because you have to put your views across exactly the manner in which they are in your mind. The person translating it for you in a media conference needs that from you. Apart from this, media training could help in overcoming certain cultural barriers eg. It could curb the use of words which have religious undertones.



Lets be honest here, Misbah didnt command "a lot more" respect than Inzi. You can ask anyone in the cricketing circles who they respect more as a cricketer and most will say Inzi who infact was a much superior player.

You are raising a petty issue using this example. So good english should be learned so that one doesnt become a butt of jokes? Well, Misbah too was a butt of jokes for his age, slow strike rate, his nose etc. Fact is, bad english isnt the only thing people make fun of. You cannot stop people from making fun of you because they will find new flaws in you every now and then.

The best way forward is to be confident in who you are and at the same time acknowledge any shortcomings. Follow it up by improving yourself and being honest to yourself while doing it. Its advised not give two hoots about what others think about you.


I don't think you got the point. You said Inzamam was highly respected in spite of having no communication skills, and I pointed out the "boys played well" joke to show that it hasn't always been the case. As far as respect is concerned, have totally disagree on that one. Haters aside, Misbah is by far the most respected Pakistani cricketer and captain since Wasim.
 
He comes from a humble background and his English is improving. Anyways I would rather have him improve his batting skills.

And those criticizing his Urdu I think come from elite backgrounds or live overseas. Most of the lower middle class of Karachi and Islamabad (2 cities where Urdu is the premier language) speak fast Urdu like Sarfraz.

His Urdu is totally fine. A straight forward humble man like Sarfraz who express his ideas as they are any day over an Ahmed Shehzad who has a fake accent and fake attitude...
 
His English is fine, much better than I thought and he's improving.
He comes from a very humble background as other posters have said, so I doubt he has much exposure to English like the other players from more affluent backgrounds (Azhar, Wabah, Misbah, etc), and all things considered he's doing very well.
I don't see why the Pakistani media and fans care so much, maybe they're trying to compete with the Indians who seemingly have more proficiency in English.
 
instead of supporting pakistan's captain we are seeing discussion on his english skills just before the semi final

pakistanis are really sometimes very pathetic
 
People like @Mamoom missing the point here. It's not about speaking English but cricketing fans ( SC in particular ) criticizing him for not being able to. The current Pakistani education system was created by an Englishman so that half go to overzealous madrassas and the other half to prestigious institutes. This allows for the people who do get an education to have a false sense of intellectual superiority and not be able to do anything. This is a CRICKET forum, let's keep the talk to cricket and not Public Relations.
 
His English is fine, much better than I thought and he's improving.
He comes from a very humble background as other posters have said, so I doubt he has much exposure to English like the other players from more affluent backgrounds (Azhar, Wabah, Misbah, etc), and all things considered he's doing very well.
I don't see why the Pakistani media and fans care so much, maybe they're trying to compete with the Indians who seemingly have more proficiency in English.

Pakistanis like looks, style, show off, fake accent etc. Hence 3 times more the support for likes of Shehzad on twitter etc.

Sarfraz doesnt believe in these artificial things. The English bashing is just a side thing. See how the same fans would start praising him once Sarfraz start wearing arm bands, chains, start doing facials, and have spikes and a Frenchie.
 
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