"Today New Zealand were the best team, but the rub of the green went to England" : Shane Warne

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"Today New Zealand were the best team, but the rub of the green went to England" : Shane Warne

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shane Warne "I think today New Zealand were the best team, but the rub of the green went to England" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19Final?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19Final</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1150483255772270597?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Captain caveman]

Congratulations to New Zealand, the TRUE 2019 ICC cricket world champions!

Just want to congratulate New Zealand as being the TRUE 2019 icc world champions!!!
Please add your congratulations to the New Zealand team, if you agree!

 

[Affan23]

This is just sad, stop embarrassing yourself

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

I agree how eng are the winners i dont know..

241/10 eng
241/8 NZ

What a joke..

 

[Captain caveman]

No icc are sad and pathetic!

 

[Chokli]

Congratulations New Zealand.

England didn't deserve to win

 

[Ab Fan]

You can't satisfy this way, ask Kane Williamson, ask New Zealand fans..!!!!!

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

Agreed

 

[Obaidd]

Lol England are the TRUE champions based on rules but you are trying to make a case for NZ ok.

Btw that boundaries rule is as arbitrary as one can get.

 

[Aman]

What rubbish how did it go to super over when England werall out?

 

[AdamM97]

What a horrible way of losing the final. Gotta feel bad for the Kiwis.

 

[pillionrider]

I was hoping for an NZ win and an England choke but after the greatest WC game ever, you just have to put aside your dislike for England the team, and concede that they are worthy winners. If it was any other team facing NZ I'd have supported them because NZ winning would have been like Greece winning the Euro from Figo and Ronaldo's Portugal. You can't play such ugly cricket constantly and still be a world champion.

 

[aloo paratha]

I was hoping for an NZ win and an England choke but after the greatest WC game ever, you just have to put aside your dislike for England the team, and concede that they are worthy winners. If it was any other team facing NZ I'd have supported them because NZ winning would have been like Greece winning the Euro from Figo and Ronaldo's Portugal. You can't play such ugly cricket constantly and still be a world champion.

England were the most lucky. Flat pitch after flat pitch and then the amount of luck they got today is off the charts.

 

[slipcatch]

What rubbish how did it go to super over when England werall out?

This.

Dumbest rule.

England were all out in an attempt to win.

ALL OUT

 

[moghul]

No, NZL with one of the weakest batting lineup was not the bet team.

 

[Captain caveman]

What rubbish how did it go to super over when England werall out?

Brother, i am so sorry your team lost due to the most stupid rules in any sport!!
1. Ball hits opposition player when going for a run out - given a boundary!
2. Scores are tied, but NZ are only 8 out and england are ALL OUT!!
3. super over is tied, they award the cup to who hit the more boundaries, as if a 4 by hitting a boundary is worth more than 4 runs that are scored by running 4!!
Ridiculous rules, ridiculous sport!!!

 

[Titan24]

What rubbish how did it go to super over when England werall out?

Till previous WC I think rule was team with less wickets lost will be considered the winner incase of a tie.

Now they didnt only take it to super over but also converted it to number of boundaries scored in case of a tie in super over.

 

[Markhor]

No, NZL with one of the weakest batting lineup was not the bet team.

Yep, some people are just going overboard now with bitterness.

It's an unspeakably cruel defeat for New Zealand and my heart really goes out to them. However one team has to lose, and the fact is England had a higher league position, higher NRR and better H2H than New Zealand. The best team was crowned.

They had good luck vs WI and also with the washout vs India, and they had bad luck here with the overthrow. That's sport, it's cruel.

 

[Mamoon]

If any team deserved a slice of luck, it is England. They deserve to win this World Cup and they did.

 

[Aman]

If any team deserved a slice of luck, it is England. They deserve to win this World Cup and they did.

England literally won due to outdated rules.

Common sense and and NZ are world champions.

 

[Captain caveman]

Yep, some people are just going overboard now with bitterness.

It's an unspeakably cruel defeat for New Zealand and my heart really goes out to them. However one team has to lose, and the fact is England had a higher league position, higher NRR and better H2H than New Zealand. The best team was crowned.

They had good luck vs WI and also with the washout vs India, and they had bad luck here with the overthrow. That's sport, it's cruel.

Irrelevant!!!

 

[AdamM97]

If any team deserved a slice of luck, it is England. They deserve to win this World Cup and they did.

It was a fluke!

 

[Hasan123]

If any team deserved a slice of luck, it is England. They deserve to win this World Cup and they did.

To quote you , in 4000 ODIs you will never get the luck that Stokes had when it his bat and went for 4.

Have your cake and eat it.

 

[Mamoon]

To everyone who tagged me a thousand times in the match thread when England were under the pump.

Remember boys - I will always, always have the last laugh.

 

[Chokli]

If any team deserved a slice of luck, it is England. They deserve to win this World Cup and they did.

It was a fluke, they didn't deserve to win. They choked when it mattered the most.

New Zealand deserved it more.

You deserve this humiliating victory

 

[slipcatch]

To everyone who tagged me a thousand times in the match thread when England were under the pump.

Remember boys - I will always, always have the last laugh.

Wow, you must have a pathetic being.

You didn't.

England win was a fluke and they got lucky, in other words, you have to eat your words.

Score at the end of 50 overs were England 241/10

 

[andy0204]

To everyone who tagged me a thousand times in the match thread when England were under the pump.

Remember boys - I will always, always have the last laugh.

congratulations

 

[AdamM97]

What's done is done but I hope ICC changes the rules now, that four by Stokes shouldn't have been counted.

 

[Captain caveman]

England literally won due to outdated rules.

Common sense and and NZ are world champions.

Of course NZ are the true champions!!
I am so embarrassed that i am a fan of a sport with the most ridiculous rules of any sport!!
Feel so sorry for kane and the boys!!
The biggest injustice in sports history!!!

 

[Markhor]

England literally won due to outdated rules.

Common sense and and NZ are world champions.

I feel absolutely dreadfully sick for your boys and no doubt England received the mother of all flukes. But you have admitted yourself NZ have had huge slices of luck to even reach the final.

The league match vs India was rained off earning you a point that you likely wouldn't have gotten whereas Pakistan's winnable match vs SL was rained off causing Pakistan to drop a point. Then there's the Carlos Brathwaite catch that only needed to be a few inches higher to win the game. Despite all that, you qualified on NRR despite being level with Pakistan on points.

If we were to break a tie on NRR or H2H or league position instead, England would've still won.

Even looking at the final itself, NZ couldn't defend 24 off 12 balls which speaks of really poor death bowling.

This is sport, a glorious and cruel combination of good luck and bad luck.

 

[Chokli]

I feel absolutely dreadfully sick for your boys and no doubt England received the mother of all flukes. But you have admitted yourself NZ have had huge slices of luck to even reach the final.

The league match vs India was rained off earning you a point that you likely wouldn't have gotten whereas Pakistan's winnable match vs SL was rained off causing Pakistan to drop a point. Then there's the Carlos Brathwaite catch that only needed to be a few inches higher to win the game. Despite all that, you qualified on NRR despite being level with Pakistan on points.

If we were to break a tie on NRR or H2H or league position instead, England would've still won.

Even looking at the final itself, NZ couldn't defend 24 off 12 balls which speaks of really poor death bowling.

This is sport, a glorious and cruel combination of good luck and bad luck.

You can't say for certain Pakistan would have beaten Sri Lanka and India would have beaten New Zealand

 

[marlonbrowndo]

To everyone who tagged me a thousand times in the match thread when England were under the pump.

Remember boys - I will always, always have the last laugh.

But you usually don’t. As you previously admitted you are wrong more often than you are right. You along with a million others predicted that England will win and they did. So congrats. But you don’t have to pretend that you are some mastermind because I can rub in a lot of my correct predictions but I simply don’t get joy out of it. There’s much better things in life

 

[Mamoon]

England literally won due to outdated rules.

Common sense and and NZ are world champions.

Rules are rules. If there was no NRR rule, you would be going home in the semis. Should have hit more boundaries.

 

[Sean143]

To everyone who tagged me a thousand times in the match thread when England were under the pump.

Remember boys - I will always, always have the last laugh.

There are certain phenomena like Entropy that have been occurring in this universe for Allah knows how long and humankind can only ponder upon its haplessness. They still can't come close to arguments like these. I feel that we should honour the legacy of the golden words that once came out of from the mouth of the father of American literature (Mark Twain). The light at the end of the tunnel is sometimes just a mere illusion, a revival of a false hope at the very best.

 

[Aman]

Rules are rules. If there was no NRR rule, you would be going home in the semis. Should have hit more boundaries.

NRR makes sense as does wickets > something arbitrary like boundaries.

There's a reason no one is talking about England but NZ and the terrible ICC rules.

 

[AdamM97]

Rules are rules. If there was no NRR rule, you would be going home in the semis. Should have hit more boundaries.

NZ were 241-8 while ENG were 241-all out.

The amount of wickets lost to judge the winner would've made more sense imo.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

NZ were 241-8 while ENG were 241-all out.

The amount of wickets lost to judge the winner would've made more sense imo.

in the past it has been like that..

 

[BDfanforever]

At the end of day, NZ cant be champions with paltry 239 and 241 scores.

 

[Ab Fan]

England deserved to win the World Cup but not this way

No doubt England worked very hard and went their way to win this tournament and truly deserved to be the winners of the World Cup 2019 but I am sorry, if you are England fans, you shouldn't be happy winning the WC this way.

This is a case of the opposition completely getting robbed by a WC trophy.. That Bat of God, by Ben Stokes, lol, how the hell did that went for four extra runs and counted as a total of six runs for England.. That's blasphemous.. This is not how a champion wins.

Yet the Kiwis fought out, tied the match, tied the super over as well and there we come down to the most illogical rules we have seen in the history of sports, the winner is the team that scores more boundaries, lol.

England are the winners, no denying. On paper, they are the WC winners because they went with the rules and they won it. But as a fan, this is not how a champion wins. You shouldnt be happy winning this way, becoming a world champions this way. It's not a champions way. The trophy should have been shared.

Views!

 

[delpiero10]

NZ were 241-8 while ENG were 241-all out.

The amount of wickets lost to judge the winner would've made more sense imo.

I’m still struggling to understand how the team that got bowled out in the run chase won the game. Ridiculous.

 

[mgtow]

At the end of day, NZ cant be champions with paltry 239 and 241 scores.

Neither can England. Ironically, both teams lost to Pakistan who is ultimately World Cup winner in moral sense.

 

[Roaring40s]

in the past it has been like that..

In the past it was changed because if the team batting second needed two of the last ball and they have lost fewer wickets, they just thought about scoring a quick- no risk - single. I remember India won a couple of matches by that rule. They changed it to make the finish more exciting.

 

[Araash]

Man! even as a neutral bystander, this feels like being robbed of a satisfying result. There's gotta be better way for a decider.

 

[Hasan123]

England can't control the rules. Frustration should be at ICC for making such pathetic rules. Hitting 4s and 6s is how a WC is decided. Awful stuff.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Agreed!

This ICC World Cup will always be viewed with mixed emotions.

Thanks to ICC rules.

 

[Aman]

Cannot believe such stupid rules exist.

This is on the ICC, a world champion was decided on these terrible rules. They will have to live with this embarrassment and England will not be able to fully enjoy their world championship because of the incompetence of the ICC.

 

[FreakCricket]

This stupid game of luck, win more boundaries like a t20 slogger and get the trophy!

 

[Warfare]

H2H makes no sense to me. Boundaries don't matter. Only runs matter, not how you get them. There should be unlimited super overs until one team wins fair and square. A bit like football and penalties. In any case, I'm happy for my country but the victory is bittersweet. I feel so bad for my Kiwi bros.

 

[Warfare]

This stupid game of luck, win more boundaries like a t20 slogger and get the trophy!

Yup, it's really stupid. H2H is a mockery of the game.

 

[angeldsoul]

This is a complete humiliation of england to be given the trophy on silly tie break. Nz were by far the superior team today flukes of nature got england the tie. Laughing stock of the world as most undeserved winners lolololol

 

[Warfare]

There is something seriously wrong with the intellect of the ICC rule makers if this is the best they could come up with.

 

[Slog]

It should be like old times that the team which lost less wickets wins.

I’m baffled as to why this rule was even changed

 

[PakFan764]

It's sad that this big and deserving achievement is going to be overshadowed by cries of "cheating".

Eng should have won this WC but not like this.

 

[PakLFC]

No one deserves to lose on scoring lesser boundaries then again it was a bit harsh on Pak going out on run rate when we had earlier defeated NZ. That is just the way it goes, if we accepted the Pak decision then NZ losing this way was right too. The rules are made well before the tournament starts.

 

[PakLFC]

I agree. Could have had another over or two until a clear winner emerged. Such grey area's in the game need to be reexamined.

 

[Hawkeye]

This was truly a fluke victory.

 

[FreakCricket]

What a soft victory, even England doesn't believe they have won!
What's next, let's do a coin toss instead of an actual match.

 

[IMMY69]

As an England fan I have to agree with Aman here.
The fact that England got to the same total with zero wickets in hand, where as New Zealand were 8 down means that the Kiwis won that game.

That’s the logical outcome. Runs followed by wickets...
The entire concept of cricket is for one team to finish on more runs then the other one. If they’re level then surely the next thing to look at are the wickets...

The rules are clearly wrong and illogical.

 

[IMMY69]

NRR makes sense as does wickets > something arbitrary like boundaries.

There's a reason no one is talking about England but NZ and the terrible ICC rules.

You are absolutely correct on this one.
Logically, the team that got to the total losing less wickets is the winner.
Not “should” but “is”...

 

[Aman]

You are absolutely correct on this one.
Logically, the team that got to the total losing less wickets is the winner.
Not “should” but “is”...

The thing that hurts is this is probably the closest we're going to get to ever winning a WC.

And to lose like this hurts like hell. It's not on England, but on the ICC who implemented T20 rules into ODIs. They're a complete joke of a governing organisation.

 

[Aman]

I'm gutted for the players who will have to live with this as a failure when they were brilliant.

Just imagine losing a WC like this, there's nothing more heartbreaking in this sport. Nothing comes close, and never ever will.

They must feel terrible atm...

 

[IMMY69]

The thing that hurts is this is probably the closest we're going to get to ever winning a WC.

And to lose like this hurts like hell. It's not on England, but on the ICC who adopted T20 rules into ODIs. They're a complete joke of a governing organisation.

I still can’t get my head around it.
One team was all out getting to the same total so really there shouldn’t have been a super over...
Number of Wickets should have decided it...

But even after the super over the number of wickets should have come into play... how can you possibly decide if in the number of boundaries scored???

That is completely illogical...

I am honestly fuming at this...

 

[DeadBall]

Pre actual WC banter.

 

[Salma_T]

A lot of people seem bitter yet if all this went Pakistan or India's way it would those are the rules and that is that. England played well and yes they didn't cruise throw but they won the moments that mattered. So lets give credit where it is due and stop whinging!

 

[BDfanforever]

The thing that hurts is this is probably the closest we're going to get to ever winning a WC.

And to lose like this hurts like hell. It's not on England, but on the ICC who implemented T20 rules into ODIs. They're a complete joke of a governing organisation.

Lol who told you its as close they will get? NZ were finalist back to back. With so few populations I am amazed how good they play Cricket. I expect them to be in final again.

If you guys meet BD, you will win

 

[Ab Fan]

The most tainted World Cup victory ever in the history of sports??

 

[shane]

I do not like the rule but, to be fair, any other rules would have had the same result. Higher number of wins in the tournament would have resulted in England winning. Head-to-head at the group stage would have resulted in England winning. I think net run-rate may have resulted in England winning. Highest number of points at the group stage would have resulted in England winning.

The fact is that, over the course of the tournament, England was the better team.

 

[Aman]

I don't like taking this out on England, it's not their fault.

They don't deserve to have their win be marred because of the ICC's bad rules.

 

[Aman]

The most tainted World Cup victory ever in the history of sports??

How many WC Finals have not had a conclusive winner? (Without the arbitrary tie breakers like boundaries).

People won't understand the frustration unless they lose a WC like this... Fact is this might be the closest we ever get to winning.. and this will haunt NZC for decades.

 

[Aman]

I do not like the rule but, to be fair, any other rules would have had the same result. Higher number of wins in the tournament would have resulted in England winning. Head-to-head at the group stage would have resulted in England winning. I think net run-rate may have resulted in England winning. Highest number of points at the group stage would have resulted in England winning.

The fact is that, over the course of the tournament, England was the better team.

The problem is why boundaries? Wickets made more sense, heck another Super over or just have it shared.

 

[shane]

The problem is why boundaries? Wickets made more sense, heck another Super over or just have it shared.

But remember that, if wickets were the decisive factor then the match may never have been a tie in the first place. It is quite likely in that situation that, rather than pushing the final ball of the innings to long-on (knowing that it made no difference if a wicket fell as long as they scored one run) Stokes would have played a very different shot in order to make sure they scored at least two runs. In other words, England adapted their innings to the rules.

 

[Aman]

But remember that, if wickets were the decisive factor then the match may never have been a tie in the first place. It is quite likely in that situation that, rather than pushing the final ball of the innings to long-on (knowing that it made no difference if a wicket fell as long as they scored one run) Stokes would have played a very different shot in order to make sure they scored at least two runs. In other words, England adapted their innings to the rules.

I doubt England knew the rules other than there being a super over. They were looking to win the match in 50 overs, wickets/# of boundaries for tie breakers were not even a thought.

 

[shane]

I doubt England knew the rules other than there being a super over. They were looking to win the match in 50 overs, wickets/# of boundaries for tie breakers were not even a thought.

Stokes certainly knew that if the scores were level then wickets would be immaterial. If wickets were a factor, he would have played a different short, probably a more aggressive shot to a ball which was actually there to be hit. But he preferred to take it into the super over.

 

[Mamoon]

This was truly a fluke victory.

I told you not to bet against this England team. They are super clutch and have the hunger and desire to fight to the last ball.

 

[Gullycricket]

No way was Stokes scoring 15 if not for those fluke runs

 

[Phantom Menace]

Stokes certainly knew that if the scores were level then wickets would be immaterial. If wickets were a factor, he would have played a different short, probably a more aggressive shot to a ball which was actually there to be hit. But he preferred to take it into the super over.

He didn't prefer to take it to the super over at all. He tried to win the game but miss hit the full toss and they didn't manage to run two. He was gutted it even went to a super over.

 

[Sean143]

How many WC Finals have not had a conclusive winner? (Without the arbitrary tie breakers like boundaries).

People won't understand the frustration unless they lose a WC like this... Fact is this might be the closest we ever get to winning.. and this will haunt NZC for decades.

Don't worry I will root for NZ in next year's T20WC

 

[Aman]

Don't worry I will root for NZ in next year's T20WC

No one cares about the T20 WC in NZ and it certainly wouldn't do anything to make amends for this..

 

[Sean143]

No one cares about the T20 WC in NZ and it certainly wouldn't do anything to make amends for this..

Chill out, you are the champions in our eyes, the fact that such an event would have made me sad even if had happened to India, shows the magnitude of hard luck that we just witnessed tomorrow. I think you must feel proud in the way your players and people handled themselves after this. If it were in my hand I would have given you 3 WC trophies for that, it does feel sad though.
Have always been a fan of Kiwis, but after this I love NZ even more, you guys are truly honest and professional. Williamson is the GOAT of this generation.

Those who witnessed it all, will pass it on to future generations, and I hope that 20 years from now every body recognises the fact that even though Eng won this WC, NZ were equally deserving.

Kudos to both the sides, for such an exhilarating contest. I know the likes of Botham were very unlikable for their arrogance in the past, but not this Eng side, they are humble, deserve every bit of it too. For me NZ and Eng are joint champions.

PS: Was good to see that Stokes apologised right after that overthrow, and didn't try to run. Stokes deserved to be on the winning side too. Hard to pick a loser from yesterday's game, in fact impossible.

 

[Aman]

Chill out, you are the champions in our eyes, the fact that such an event would have made me sad even if had happened to India, shows the magnitude of hard luck that we just witnessed tomorrow. I think you must feel proud in the way your players and people handled themselves after this. If it were in my hand I would have given you 3 WC trophies for that, it does feel sad though.
Have always been a fan of Kiwis, but after this I love NZ even more, you guys are truly honest and professional. Williamson is the GOAT of this generation.

Those who witnessed it all, will pass it on to future generations, and I hope that 20 years from now every body recognises the fact that even though Eng won this WC, NZ were equally deserving.

Kudos to both the sides, for such an exhilarating contest. I know the likes of Botham were very unlikable for their arrogance in the past, but not this Eng side, they are humble, deserve every bit of it too. For me NZ and Eng are joint champions.

PS: Was good to see that Stokes apologised right after that overthrow, and didn't try to run. Stokes deserved to be on the winning side too. Hard to pick a loser from yesterday's game, in fact impossible.

Didn't mean to come off aggressive, it's the truth. No one cares about the WT20.

And yes, the country is proud of NZ and will be getting a champions welcome back home. Plenty of fans from other countries have been telling me we got robbed lol..

Kane's stock is sky high atm, as is a few players who have become really popular with Pakistani and Indian fans.