Train accidents and Rail safety in Pakistan

[Josh]

At least 46 people were killed and over 30 injured on Thursday from a fire in three bogies of a Tezgam train near Liaqatpur city, Rahim Yar Khan District Police Officer (DPO) Ameer Taimore Khan confirmed.

Women and children are also amongst the victims — none of whom have been identified yet. The dead and injured are being shifted to DHQ Hospital in Liaqatpur. Some of the injured have also been shifted to Bahawal Victoria Hospital in Bahawalpur due to their critical condition.

The train was bound from Karachi to Rawalpindi, Radio Pak reported. The fire was caused by a cylinder blast that occurred in the morning when passengers were preparing their breakfast, Railways Minister Sheikh Rashid said. Many people saved their lives by jumping off the train, the minister said.

Rashid said that the damaged track will be made operational within two hours.

Rahim Yar Khan Deputy Commissioner Jamil Ahmed said that members of a tablighi jamaat were travelling in the bogies.

Rescue 1122 teams have extinguished the fire and are now carrying out a cooling and search operation under the supervision of Ahmed. Army troops including doctors and paramedics have also been dispatched to assist rescue teams in the operation, a statement by the Inter-Services Public Relations said.

An army helicopter was also dispatched from Multan in order to rescue the injured, the ISPR statement added further.

Prime Minister Imran Khan extended his condolences to the families of the victims and directed authorities to provide the best medical treatment to the injured, Radio Pak said.

An inquiry has been launched in the incident, APP quoted a senior official of the Railways Ministry as saying.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1514002/d...e-rises-to-46-according-to-rahim-yar-khan-dpo





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Terrible man made tragedy. Why should cylinders and cooking be allowed in train bogeys

 

[MenInG]

Devastating - Inna Lillahi Wa Inna Lillahi Rajiyoon

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Horrific stuff.

The fire was caused by a cylinder blast that occurred in the morning when passengers were preparing their breakfast

Is this normal practice on these trains?

 

[MenInG]

At least 65 passengers died when a train travelling from the Pakistani city of Karachi to Rawalpindi caught fire.

Minister for railways, Sheikh Rashid Ahmed, said the fire was caused by the explosion of a gas cylinder being used by passengers cooking breakfast.

The blaze is thought to have spread to at least three carriages.

According to officials cited in local media, many of the victims died as they tried to jump off the burning train.

Another 30 people have reportedly been injured and officials say the number of dead may still rise.

"Two cooking stoves blew up. They were cooking, they had (cooking) oil which added fuel to fire," Sheikh Rashid Ahmed said.

Passengers bringing stoves onto trains in order to cook meals on long journeys is a common problem, the minister said.

He added that many passengers were heading to a conference organised by the Tablighi Jamaat Sunni Muslim missionary movement.

The accident happened near the town of Rahim Yar Khan in the south of the Punjab province.

The train running from Karachi, across most of Pakistan to Rawalpindi, is the Tezgam - one of Pakistan's oldest and most popular train services.

It runs daily and takes 25-and-a-half hours.

Pakistan has a history of railway accidents with multiple deaths. Casualty figures are often so high because trains are packed with far greater numbers than they were designed for.

In July, 11 people died in an accident, with four dying in another accident in September.

In 2007, at least 56 people were killed and more than 120 injured in a crash near Mehrabpur.

And in 2005, more than 130 people were killed when three trains collided in Sindh province in one of the country's worst train disasters.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50245090

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Deeply saddened by the terrible tragedy of the Tezgam train. My condolences go to the victims' families & prayers for the speedy recovery of the injured. I have ordered an immediate inquiry to be completed on an urgent basis.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1189794580058791937?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[shah_1]

Sheikh Rasheed Should resign

 

[MenInG]

Sheikh Rasheed Should resign

This is not the norm in 3rd World Countries

 

[MenInG]

The death toll from a fire in three bogies of a Tezgam train near Liaquatpur city jumped to 73 around 1pm, while many remain under critical condition, Rahim Yar Khan district government said on Thursday.

About 40 people, including women and children were injured, Punjab Health Minister Dr Yasmin Rashid told AFP earlier.

The dead and injured are being shifted to DHQ Hospital in Liaquatpur. Some of the injured have also been shifted to Bahawal Victoria Hospital in Bahawalpur due to their critical condition.

The train was bound from Karachi to Rawalpindi. The fire was caused by a cylinder blast that occurred in the morning when some passengers were preparing their breakfast, Railways Minister Sheikh Rashid said, adding that they belonged to a tableeghi jamaat and were headed towards Raiwand.

Many people saved their lives by jumping off the train, the minister said.

In a video message, Rashid announced that a compensation of Rs1.5 million will be paid to the heirs of the deceased while Rs500,000 will be provided to those who are injured.

He said that two of the coaches that caught fire were booked under the name of the tableeghi jamaat's emir Hussain. The ministry, he said, was preparing a list of the victims. Rashid said that it was a "failure" on the part of the Railways authorities since they failed to carry out thorough checking of the passengers' luggage.

Nabila Aslam, a Railways official, told DawnNewsTV that the passengers must have "hidden the gas cylinder in their clothes" while boarding the train, as carrying one was strictly against the rules.

Rescue 1122 teams have extinguished the fire and are now carrying out a cooling and search operation under the supervision of Ahmed. Army troops including doctors and paramedics were also dispatched to assist rescue teams in the operation, a statement by the Inter-Services Public Relations said.

An Army helicopter was also dispatched from Multan in order to rescue the injured, the ISPR statement added further.

Tezgam, one of Pakistan's oldest and most popular train services, runs between Karachi to Rawalpindi. The fare for a single journey from Karachi to Rawalpindi ranges from Rs1,750 for an economy seat to Rs7,650 for an AC Sleeper berth.

PM orders 'immediate inquiry'
Prime Minister Imran Khan said he was "deeply saddened by the terrible tragedy of the Tezgam train".

"My condolences go to the victims' families and prayers for the speedy recovery of the injured. I have ordered an immediate inquiry to be completed on an urgent basis," he said via Twitter.


President Arif Alvi "expressed profound grief on the loss of precious lives in the tragic blast".


"Tragedy must immediately be investigated and accountability ensured," said PPP chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari. "PM should keep his pre-election promise and sack the minister until investigation is complete."


Human Rights Minister Shireen Mazari extended "prayers and condolences" to families of the victims of the "terrible Tezgam train tragedy".

In a tweet, Mazari regretted that the "tragedy [...] could have been avoided but ever since I can recall while travelling by train no baggage check or restrictions enforced. Tragic."


Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam (Fazl) Chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman issued a condolence statement and said that such events were a result of "poor planning". He demanded a thorough probe into the incident.

Leaders of Majlis Wahdat-e-Muslimeen, Pakistan Awami Tehreek and Millat-i-Jaferia Pakistan also extended condolences to victims' families and called upon authorities to ensure that the injured are provided with the best medical treatment and to hold a thorough inquiry into the incident.

An inquiry has been launched in the incident, APP quoted a senior official of the Railways Ministry as saying.

Train accidents
In July, a train collision in Sadiqabad between passenger train Akbar Express and a freight train had killed more than 20 and injured more than 80 people.

In June, three people were killed when a passenger train, the Jinnah Express, hit a freight car near Hyderabad. At the time, Rashid had accepted responsibility and sought an apology from the nation.

"I accept responsibility for this accident and seek an apology from the nation. Such a portfolio is not important for me as I have become federal minister for the eighth time. And I will resign whenever I feel burden on my conscience," the minister had said at the time.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1514002/73-killed-in-tezgam-inferno-near-rahim-yar-khan-officials

 

[Major]

Our joke of a railway minister has already blamed a family.
WIthout even any investigation.

Lannat on this guy Sheikh Rasheed.


This govt is a joke. They were accruate when they said meh in ko rulao ga. Today awaam is indeed crying..

A minister blaming a a family for the death of 60 people wthout even any investigation, like what the hell

 

[Major]

Horrific stuff.



Is this normal practice on these trains?

Plz wait for an investigation to took take place first, this is a statement that a dog called sheikh rasheed barked, this is what this govt does. blame it on someone else.

The train passaengers have given statements in media already. Blaming a family for the death of otherss without investigation

 

[Mamoon]

Our joke of a railway minister has already blamed a family.
WIthout even any investigation.

Lannat on this guy Sheikh Rasheed.


This govt is a joke. They were accruate when they said meh in ko rulao ga. Today awaam is indeed crying..

A minister blaming a a family for the death of 60 people wthout even any investigation, like what the hell

The hypocrisy of the selected PM knows no boundaries.

Why doesn’t he demand Sheikh Rasheed to resign now?

The bigger hypocrites are the defenders of this pathetic government.

This is what Imran Khan said when their was a railway accident in Jan 2017 and Saad Rafique was Railway Minister:

"I think the Railway Minister should resign. Anywhere in the world, whenever there is a railway accident, the minister resigns because unless he does so, there cannot be any proper inquiry", and this isn't the first time it has happened".

First the Sadiqabad train accident and now this, and yet the selected is not demanded Sheikh Rasheed to resign.

These are the champions of tabdeeli who will realize the dream of Naya Pakistan. What a joke.

 

[Ryw]

Major stop your political bias, that is a common practice when people travel to these religious events IJTAMAH, they travel with gas cylinders, that was bound to happen, entire country is a ticking bom because of no proper safety checks and procedures.

INNALILLAHEWAINNAELEHERAJEYON
horrific tradegy

 

[Mamoon]

Imagine the bhangra by PTI cult-followers if a PMLN or PPP Railway Minister would have blamed the public for the accident.

They fully deserve this humiliation for blindly trusting a lota party that tossed its manifesto in the trash once it took the electables route.

You have to admire Imran Khan’s brainwashing who somehow convinced people that he can bring change with people like Sheikh Rasheed, Firdous Awan, Fawad Chaudhry, Amir Liaquat etc.

The tabdeeli virus is strong and an anti-virus has not been developed yet. Nevertheless, their incompetence will ensure that their circus government will not last till 2023.

 

[Hamza_]

Mpment of shame for overseas pakistanis here. We face so many issues daily due to fross incompetence and operational mismanagement of this joke of a government.

Railway under this clone is going down in shambles. Number of accidents reported have gone onto an insane level

 

[hussain.r97]

Horrific news.

Sheikh Rasheed must resign. Sure, it could have been due to someone using a gas cylinder on board, but a proper investigation must be done. Second of all, you can't just trust the public, especially of an uneducated nation like Pakistan, to know what is safe or unsafe to bring on board a train. Why on Earth aren't there appropriate security checks? Surely there should be a means to confiscate things that aren't supposed to be brought on a train? At the very least, people should be informed of what they can't bring on board.

This is gross incompetence that has caused this loss of lives. And more lives will be lost, because the incompetent buffoons responsible for this accident are unlikely to be changed, meaning they can get away with things like this.

 

[hussain.r97]

Mpment of shame for overseas pakistanis here. We face so many issues daily due to fross incompetence and operational mismanagement of this joke of a government.

Railway under this clone is going down in shambles. Number of accidents reported have gone onto an insane level

Overseas Pakistanis didn't vote for PTI, local Pakistanis did. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here, previous governments weren't paragons of competency and management. Let's let PTI complete their term before writing them off.

 

[Major]

Major stop your political bias, that is a common practice when people travel to these religious events IJTAMAH, they travel with gas cylinders, that was bound to happen, entire country is a ticking bom because of no proper safety checks and procedures.

INNALILLAHEWAINNAELEHERAJEYON
horrific tradegy

You are soo naive.

1. In no country does a minister make statements and put the blame on a family that died. First there is an investigation than you talk with proof

2. Railway minister should had banned cyclinders in train.

3. Passengers have already said the cyclinders were rmpty fault was due to poor trains and no fire extinguisher

 

[Bewal Express]

Read the news this morning. This is just devastating. May Allah grant Jannat to the deceased.

 

[Bewal Express]

Our joke of a railway minister has already blamed a family.
WIthout even any investigation.

Lannat on this guy Sheikh Rasheed.


This govt is a joke. They were accruate when they said meh in ko rulao ga. Today awaam is indeed crying..

A minister blaming a a family for the death of 60 people wthout even any investigation, like what the hell

So not a word of condolence for the poor victims, just politics from you.

 

[Bewal Express]

The hypocrisy of the selected PM knows no boundaries.

Why doesn’t he demand Sheikh Rasheed to resign now?

The bigger hypocrites are the defenders of this pathetic government.

This is what Imran Khan said when their was a railway accident in Jan 2017 and Saad Rafique was Railway Minister:

"I think the Railway Minister should resign. Anywhere in the world, whenever there is a railway accident, the minister resigns because unless he does so, there cannot be any proper inquiry", and this isn't the first time it has happened".

First the Sadiqabad train accident and now this, and yet the selected is not demanded Sheikh Rasheed to resign.

These are the champions of tabdeeli who will realize the dream of Naya Pakistan. What a joke.

The lying hypocrite using tragedies for political gain.

 

[Bewal Express]

Our joke of a railway minister has already blamed a family.
WIthout even any investigation.

Lannat on this guy Sheikh Rasheed.


This govt is a joke. They were accruate when they said meh in ko rulao ga. Today awaam is indeed crying..

A minister blaming a a family for the death of 60 people wthout even any investigation, like what the hell

You are the loser that couldn't bring himself to comment on the trillion stolen by Billo. So save your fake tears.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Ina lillahi wa inna ilaihi rajioon.

Not a time to throw blame here and there or further political agendas.

 

[Bewal Express]

Ina lillahi wa inna ilaihi rajioon.

Not a time to throw blame here and there or further political agendas.

Nooras and losers came running on here but not a single word of condolence from any of them. An investigation needs to be held, blamed apportioned and then sackings and jailing for negligence.

 

[Abdullah719]

Sheikh Rasheed admits railways staff committed negligence by allowing gas cylinder into coach

Spoiler

(Karachi) Minister for Railways Sheikh Rasheed Ahmed admitted that the railways staff committed negligence by allowing a gas cylinder into the coach.

He said that an inquiry into the Liaquatpur train incident has been initiated on prime minister's directives which will be completed in 15 days. He added those found involved in committing negligence will be awarded stern punishment.

The railways minister was talking to journalists on his arrival in Multan on Thursday.

Rasheed said that 74 people have lost their lives in the tragic incident, while 40 injured are being provided treatment in the hospitals.

He maintained that the fire was caused after a gas cylinder exploded in one of the train coaches. He mentioned the guard asked the passengers to not ignite the gas cylinder but they did not pay heed to his request.

Rasheed said the compartment where the explosion occurred was booked by members of a tableeghi party. The minister accepted the negligence of the railways staff for allowing the passengers to bring gas cylinder with them.

Regarding demand of his resignation by opposition parties, Rasheed said he will not comment on the matter now.

https://www.brecorder.com/2019/10/3...gligence-by-allowing-gas-cylinder-into-coach/

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Hopefully this leads to strict checks at all stations, unfortunate that it always takes such a severe incident for authorities in this country to implement such basic measures.

 

[Syed1]

Plz wait for an investigation to took take place first, this is a statement that a dog called sheikh rasheed barked, this is what this govt does. blame it on someone else.

The train passaengers have given statements in media already. Blaming a family for the death of otherss without investigation

If only you show this much anger at Billo when children of Thar die

 

[Syed1]

Inna lillahi wa inna illahi rajioon.... Heads need to roll, just blaming a family won't do.

 

[Mamoon]

The irony of PTI supporters crying about people politicizing tragedies.

Your fake leader has a PhD in this field.

 

[Mamoon]

The lying hypocrite using tragedies for political gain.

When will Sheikh Rasheed resign?

 

[Major]

So not a word of condolence for the poor victims, just politics from you.

Yeh saying words of condolence aint gonna do nothing.
Just like how the pm of facebook keeps doing condolences everyweek yet people get killed left and right.

Next week he will be giving condolences to someone else.

The govt needs be held responsible for this

 

[Bewal Express]

Yeh saying words of condolence aint gonna do nothing.
Just like how the pm of facebook keeps doing condolences everyweek yet people get killed left and right.

Next week he will be giving condolences to someone else.

The govt needs be held responsible for this

This is what happens in life. But you are the guy that has spent a year running from evening commenting on the trillion stolen from the poor of Sindh. Why? Do their lives not matter? 70 tragically died here but how many died in Tgar?
So save your fake outrage because you are part of the Mafia.

 

[Bewal Express]

When will Sheikh Rasheed resign?

When will stop being a hypocrite? Remember those days you spent arguing that NS should not resign over Panama? We do.

 

[Major]

This is what happens in life. But you are the guy that has spent a year running from evening commenting on the trillion stolen from the poor of Sindh. Why? Do their lives not matter? 70 tragically died here but how many died in Tgar?
So save your fake outrage because you are part of the Mafia.

yes you are right.

more peopl have died in thar, forget these train walay becuase they were Immis and Rasheeds responsibility.

lets talk about the tharr people dieing in a thread where the topic is about the people who have died in a train incident due to our selected PM and his selected minister

 

[Mamoon]

When will stop being a hypocrite? Remember those days you spent arguing that NS should not resign over Panama? We do.

This is what your leader said:

"I think the Railway Minister should resign. Anywhere in the world, whenever there is a railway accident, the minister resigns because unless he does so, there cannot be any proper inquiry"

So why doesn’t he follow his own advice and force Sheikh Rasheed to resign? How can there be a proper inquiry if he doesn’t resign?

Where is the tabdeeli? The only hypocrite is your leader who cannot walk the talk and none of his wisdom is applicable to him and his party.

 

[Bewal Express]

This is what your leader said:

"I think the Railway Minister should resign. Anywhere in the world, whenever there is a railway accident, the minister resigns because unless he does so, there cannot be any proper inquiry"

So why doesn’t he follow his own advice and force Sheikh Rasheed to resign? How can there be a proper inquiry if he doesn’t resign?

Where is the tabdeeli? The only hypocrite is your leader who cannot walk the talk and none of his wisdom is applicable to him and his party.

Firstly do you know the difference between an accident and incident?

 

[Bewal Express]

yes you are right.

more peopl have died in thar, forget these train walay becuase they were Immis and Rasheeds responsibility.

lets talk about the tharr people dieing in a thread where the topic is about the people who have died in a train incident due to our selected PM and his selected minister

It's just that you fake outrage is shown up. When you are the loser that couldn't even bring himself to comment on the trillion? WHY?

 

[Mamoon]

Firstly do you know the difference between an accident and incident?

Imran Khan made that statement on 7th January 2017 after a train rammed into two rickshaws, killing 7 people.

The train driver couldn’t spot the rickshaws because of heavy fog, and the rickshaws also failed to spot the train because of the same reason.

On 11 July 2019, under the watchful eye of Naya Pakistan champion Sheikh Rasheed, 11 people died when a train switched to a wrong track and rammed into a stationary cargo train.

Imran Khan demanded that Saad Rafique should resign after the January 2017 accident because it is not possible to have a proper inquiry when the Railway Minister doesn’t resign.

Please explain how the above two accidents are different and how Imran Khan’s statement is not applicable to the 11 July accident.

 

[Mamoon]

The fact is that PTI supporters cannot justify why Sheikh Rasheed should not resign after the July accident as well as the one today.

There cannot explain why Imran’s January 2017 statement is not applicable to these two events.

As a result, they cannot muster enough courage and honesty to condemn the hypocrisy and blatant double-standards of their leader.

 

[Bewal Express]

Imran Khan made that statement on 7th January 2017 after a train rammed into two rickshaws, killing 7 people.

The train driver couldn’t spot the rickshaws because of heavy fog, and the rickshaws also failed to spot the train because of the same reason.

On 11 July 2019, under the watchful eye of Naya Pakistan champion Sheikh Rasheed, 11 people died when a train switched to a wrong track and rammed into a stationary cargo train.

Imran Khan demanded that Saad Rafique should resign after the January 2017 accident because it is not possible to have a proper inquiry when the Railway Minister doesn’t resign.

Please explain how the above two accidents are different and how Imran Khan’s statement is not applicable to the 11 July accident.

The Nooras are part of the Mafia and they will never allow a honest enquiry- hence they have to resign. For example look at the Model murders, when are those people that got murdered going to get justice. The LHC, your favourite court stopped the enquiry, why?
If the enquiry is tampered with not only must Sh Rasheed resign, IK has to go to jail. He lies the difference between us and you.

 

[Syed1]

Certain people using a tragedy thread to vent their frustrations

 

[Mamoon]

The Nooras are part of the Mafia and they will never allow a honest enquiry- hence they have to resign. For example look at the Model murders, when are those people that got murdered going to get justice. The LHC, your favourite court stopped the enquiry, why?
If the enquiry is tampered with not only must Sh Rasheed resign, IK has to go to jail. He lies the difference between us and you.

Wonderful.

Let me correct Imran Khan’s statement.

"I think the Railway Minister should resign. Anywhere in the world, whenever there is a railway accident, the minister resigns because unless he does so, there cannot be any proper inquiry, unless I am the Prime Minister”

By the way, what happened to the inquiry of the July 11 accident and what were the deductions? Or do we simply forget that it happened and we should also forget what happened today?

 

[Bewal Express]

Wonderful.

Let me correct Imran Khan’s statement.

"I think the Railway Minister should resign. Anywhere in the world, whenever there is a railway accident, the minister resigns because unless he does so, there cannot be any proper inquiry, unless I am the Prime Minister”

By the way, what happened to the inquiry of the July 11 accident and what were the deductions? Or do we simply forget that it happened and we should also forget what happened today?

I have already how it should be dealt with but its rich coming from a hypocrite like you. The mafia you support didn't even allow a proper inquiry into the murder of 14 people, the SC nullified its finding and asked for another JIT and another JIT was promulgated by the Punjab govt, the LHC stopped it from working. Why?

 

[msaaim89]

I have already how it should be dealt with but its rich coming from a hypocrite like you. The mafia you support didn't even allow a proper inquiry into the murder of 14 people, the SC nullified its finding and asked for another JIT and another JIT was promulgated by the Punjab govt, the LHC stopped it from working. Why?

Don't bother arguing with the hypocrite who changes his opinion every two months, hoping everyone forgets what he previously wrote.

 

[Mamoon]

I have already how it should be dealt with but its rich coming from a hypocrite like you. The mafia you support didn't even allow a proper inquiry into the murder of 14 people, the SC nullified its finding and asked for another JIT and another JIT was promulgated by the Punjab govt, the LHC stopped it from working. Why?

Have you? The only thing you have done in this thread is to deflect the issue because you cannot criticize Imran Khan and Sheikh Rasheed.

Why has the PTI ‘mafia’ not conducted a proper inquiry into the July 11 tragedy? Any statement from Sheikh Rasheed or Imran Khan? What will be the repercussions of this latest tragedy? Why should Sheikh Rasheed continue in his position as Railway Minister after two major events in just over 3 months?

Can you address these questions without resorting to the usual deflection?

 

[Patriot]

Terrible stuff

Innah Lillah hi Wainnah Ilaihi Rajioon.

An enquiry should happen with better security and educational training. I’m afraid, with the state of the population we may as well start from the basics by giving everyone potty training first.

 

[sweep_shot]

Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi rajiun.

Terrible tragedy.

 

[Bewal Express]

Have you? The only thing you have done in this thread is to deflect the issue because you cannot criticize Imran Khan and Sheikh Rasheed.

Why has the PTI ‘mafia’ not conducted a proper inquiry into the July 11 tragedy? Any statement from Sheikh Rasheed or Imran Khan? What will be the repercussions of this latest tragedy? Why should Sheikh Rasheed continue in his position as Railway Minister after two major events in just over 3 months?

Can you address these questions without resorting to the usual deflection?

Maybe reading what I said will help, but alas constant humiliation means that even that basic skill has gone from Your brain.
"if the enquiry is tampered with not only must Sh Rasheed resign, IK has to go to jail"
Which bit are you confused with?

 

[kk1992]

In Pakistan or any South Asian countries, safety regulation are a joke or not adequately implemented.

The only way most of us understand about safe regulation or try to implement is always after tragic incidents.

A perfect example would be, Kids riding on a bike without a helmet while the person driving it wearing a helmet.

And obviously, politician will try to cash on tragedy to score points.

 

[kk1992]

What is funny about it that no one is asking for better safety measures and implementation.

Both sides are arguing which side was better at utilizing tragic event for political gains.

People have too much time to waste.

Increible

 

[Bewal Express]

What is funny about it that no one is asking for better safety measures and implementation.

Both sides are arguing which side was better at utilizing tragic event for political gains.

People have too much time to waste.

Increible

The problem with your theory is that their parties have been in power for decades and the 1st question is why they didn't do it earlier? Then they run!

 

[kk1992]

The problem with your theory is that their parties have been in power for decades and the 1st question is why they didn't do it earlier? Then they run!

But it is PTI led government, they are responsible to provide safety, implementation of safety regulation, and responsible to answer after every tragic incident.

Also to educate mass population on safety will take time and usually people only understand after tragic incident such as this one.

 

[Bewal Express]

But it is PTI led government, they are responsible to provide safety, implementation of safety regulation, and responsible to answer after every tragic incident.

Also to educate mass population on safety will take time and usually people only understand after tragic incident such as this one.

Totally agree, and very serious questions have to asked and answered by the public but not by Nooras and followers of Billo, who have no right until they ask what was done when they were in power.

 

[Mamoon]

Maybe reading what I said will help, but alas constant humiliation means that even that basic skill has gone from Your brain.
"if the enquiry is tampered with not only must Sh Rasheed resign, IK has to go to jail"
Which bit are you confused with?

I am impressed with your dancing skills, but perhaps you should also try addressing the point.

Please answer the following questions:

1. Who will decide whether the enquiry is tampered with or not?

2. What is the update on the enquiry on the July 11 accident?

3. Have Sheikh Rasheed and Imran Khan made any statements?

4. What reforms have been proposed or established to ensure that such accidents do not happen again?

5. Today, the accident happened because some passengers used pressure-cookers to cook meals on the train. Do you think 1.5 years are not enough to ensure that the Naya Railways of Pakistan, which is free of corruption and incompetence, should be vigilant enough to not let pressure-cookers on board?

 

[SensiblePakFan]

What is funny about it that no one is asking for better safety measures and implementation.

Both sides are arguing which side was better at utilizing tragic event for political gains.

People have too much time to waste.

Increible

Yup, quite unfortunate.

 

[Bewal Express]

I am impressed with your dancing skills, but perhaps you should also try addressing the point.

Please answer the following questions:

1. Who will decide whether the enquiry is tampered with or not?

2. What is the update on the enquiry on the July 11 accident?

3. Have Sheikh Rasheed and Imran Khan made any statements?

4. What reforms have been proposed or established to ensure that such accidents do not happen again?

5. Today, the accident happened because some passengers used pressure-cookers to cook meals on the train. Do you think 1.5 years are not enough to ensure that the Naya Railways of Pakistan, which is free of corruption and incompetence, should be vigilant enough to not let pressure-cookers on board?

They should use a LHC judge, that makes the enquiry tamper proof.

 

[Mamoon]

They should use a LHC judge, that makes the enquiry tamper proof.

Amazing response.

 

[Bewal Express]

I am impressed with your dancing skills, but perhaps you should also try addressing the point.

Please answer the following questions:

1. Who will decide whether the enquiry is tampered with or not?

2. What is the update on the enquiry on the July 11 accident?

3. Have Sheikh Rasheed and Imran Khan made any statements?

4. What reforms have been proposed or established to ensure that such accidents do not happen again?

5. Today, the accident happened because some passengers used pressure-cookers to cook meals on the train. Do you think 1.5 years are not enough to ensure that the Naya Railways of Pakistan, which is free of corruption and incompetence, should be vigilant enough to not let pressure-cookers on board?

But on a serious note-As far as your other points are concerned, you told us that corruption is not a problem and you have argued that point for the last 5 years, so today you are telling is that corruption is a problem and it leads to people being killed. You see when you make stupid, ill thought points to justify corruption and then tell us that corruption leads to deaths, it makes you like look like a mental midget whose hypocrisy transcends everything.

 

[Bewal Express]

Amazing response.

Why don't you trust them?

 

[Mamoon]

But on a serious note-As far as your other points are concerned, you told us that corruption is not a problem and you have argued that point for the last 5 years, so today you are telling is that corruption is a problem and it leads to people being killed. You see when you make stupid, ill thought points to justify corruption and then tell us that corruption leads to deaths, it makes you like look like a mental midget whose hypocrisy transcends everything.

Who is talking about corruption?

I am blaming the incompetence of the biggest turncoat in history of Pakistan politics - Sheikh Rasheed. A man who Imran Khan claimed was not even good enough to be his clerk let alone the Railway Minister.

The only person whose hypocrisy transcends everything is your leader, whose actions have proved that he is a power-hungry hypocrite whose desperation to become the PM forced him to welcome duffers like Sheikh Rasheed in his fold. Unfortunately, this is the result now. The Naya Pakistan dream ended when he took the electables route so that he could benefit from their vote banks to come into power.

 

[Mamoon]

Why don't you trust them?

I will trust them as long as they are not influenced by the military.

 

[Bewal Express]

Who is talking about corruption?

I am blaming the incompetence of the biggest turncoat in history of Pakistan politics - Sheikh Rasheed. A man who Imran Khan claimed was not even good enough to be his clerk let alone the Railway Minister.

The only person whose hypocrisy transcends everything is your leader, whose actions have proved that he is a power-hungry hypocrite whose desperation to become the PM forced him to welcome duffers like Sheikh Rasheed in his fold. Unfortunately, this is the result now. The Naya Pakistan dream ended when he took the electables route so that he could benefit from their vote banks to come into power.

"which is free of corruption"? Who wrote this 10min ago?

 

[Bewal Express]

I will trust them as long as they are not influenced by the military.

Yes off course the likes of Malik and Qayyuym were tampered by the military.

 

[Bewal Express]

Who is talking about corruption?

I am blaming the incompetence of the biggest turncoat in history of Pakistan politics - Sheikh Rasheed. A man who Imran Khan claimed was not even good enough to be his clerk let alone the Railway Minister.

The only person whose hypocrisy transcends everything is your leader, whose actions have proved that he is a power-hungry hypocrite whose desperation to become the PM forced him to welcome duffers like Sheikh Rasheed in his fold. Unfortunately, this is the result now. The Naya Pakistan dream ended when he took the electables route so that he could benefit from their vote banks to come into power.

Dont you predict this every day. I bet a day after the IK came to power you wanted him out. The reality is that you are the product of corruption and you can't handle change. If the rail system is bad its because your corrupt friends have been in power for 30 years( give or take) and the only fair criticism of IK can be that hasn't managed to change a system your friends built. So suck it up.

 

[srh]

Inna lil lahi wa inna ilahi rajion.

Confusion about how the fire started. Driver is saying the cylinder is the culprit but some passengers said it was caused by short circuit. Driver is saying its impossible that fire spread so much so quick by short circuit; it has to be cylinder exploding.

There should be an investigation and until then the people who can affect investigation should be resigned or suspended.

 

[Bewal Express]

Inna lil lahi wa inna ilahi rajion.

Confusion about how the fire started. Driver is saying the cylinder is the culprit but some passengers said it was caused by short circuit. Driver is saying its impossible that fire spread so much so quick by short circuit; it has to be cylinder exploding.

There should be an investigation and until then the people who can affect investigation should be resigned or suspended.

Fair assessment

 

[Patriot]

Who is talking about corruption?

I am blaming the incompetence of the biggest turncoat in history of Pakistan politics - Sheikh Rasheed. A man who Imran Khan claimed was not even good enough to be his clerk let alone the Railway Minister.

The only person whose hypocrisy transcends everything is your leader, whose actions have proved that he is a power-hungry hypocrite whose desperation to become the PM forced him to welcome duffers like Sheikh Rasheed in his fold. Unfortunately, this is the result now. The Naya Pakistan dream ended when he took the electables route so that he could benefit from their vote banks to come into power.

I don’t really support any political party in Pakistan but surely you are talking about a utopian reality. Politics is all about compromise and no one gets in power can say they haven’t compromised on their morals. Obama promised to close Guantanamo Bay but he didn’t. The Tories made a deal with the DUP just to have a slight majority so they could pass their legislation in Parliament, etc. Imran would have never gotten into power if he had decided to go with nobodies. He would have languished in opposition forever. He most likely compromised by thinking he could do something for Pakistan by coming into power.

 

[kk1992]

I don’t really support any political party in Pakistan but surely you are talking about a utopian reality. Politics is all about compromise and no one gets in power can say they haven’t compromised on their morals. Obama promised to close Guantanamo Bay but he didn’t. The Tories made a deal with the DUP just to have a slight majority so they could pass their legislation in Parliament, etc. Imran would have never gotten into power if he had decided to go with nobodies. He would have languished in opposition forever. He most likely compromised by thinking he could do something for Pakistan by coming into power.

His critics believe he is a messiah.

His supporters believe he is the best option to make changes for the better.

 

[topspin]

Sheikh Rasheed needs to resign. He needs to be held accountable but I don't expect Imran Khan to budge because he knows if he starts now, he will have to continue until he has no party left.

 

[Patriot]

No one resigns these days lol. In the U.K. Priti Patel got caught giving foreign development money to the IDF and now she’s Home Secretary. Liam Fox involved his domestic partner in senior engagement and he’s still in Parliament. They were all forced out as opposed to resigning. It’s up to Imran to force Rasheed out.

And Trump is the worst but he hasn’t given up his post.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Tragic, terrifying to see and think how much people would have suffered with this huge fire.

Its a shame people against PTI are not being sympathetic but using it to further their anti-IK agenda.

An independent investigation needs to take place and those negligent should be fired.

 

[Knight_Rider]

No one resigns these days lol. In the U.K. Priti Patel got caught giving foreign development money to the IDF and now she’s Home Secretary. Liam Fox involved his domestic partner in senior engagement and he’s still in Parliament. They were all forced out as opposed to resigning. It’s up to Imran to force Rasheed out.

And Trump is the worst but he hasn’t given up his post.

Yeah and Keith Vaz too was caught redhanded spending money on “Decorators”, then claimed that is suffering from serious mental Health issues. Still labour hasn’t withdrawn him nor he seems to be giving up.

 

[Mamoon]

"which is free of corruption"? Who wrote this 10min ago?

I was using the logic of PTI supporters, who claim that PTI is not only competent but also honest.

For starters, PTI is full of corrupt politicians as well and even Imran has failed to prove his honesty.

The way he has been running from the foreign funding case, the way his party has demanded secrecy in the investigation and the way Aleema Khan has built a fortune on “sewing machines” clearly indicate that he has skeletons in the closet.

Nevertheless, I don’t mind his or PTI’s corruption if they were half competent which they clearly aren’t.

 

[MenInG]

Distraught relatives gathered on Friday for the first funerals of some of the 74 people killed when fire ripped through a crowded train in Pakistan, with many of the victims residents of a single town.

Sobbing family crowded an official building in Mirpurkhas overnight as the first bodies covered in white cloth began arriving by ambulance from the scene of the disaster.

After morning prayers, with women watching from nearby rooftops, more than a hundred men attended the first funeral — of a car mechanic named Mohammad Saleem, who was in his late 40s.

It was held at the Bismillah Mosque, from which at least 42 pilgrims had left to board the train one day earlier bound for a religious festival near Lahore.

Officials say as some of the train's passengers cooked breakfast around dawn on Thursday, two of their gas cylinders exploded, sending flames racing through three carriages as the train passed near Rahim Yar Khan, in Punjab province.

At least 74 people died, some after jumping through windows on the still-moving train to escape the blaze. Local media reported that rescue officials found bodies and some injured people along a two-kilometre stretch of track. Dozens more were wounded and rushed to nearby hospitals.

One of the carriages — Wagon No.12 — was carrying mainly people from Mirpurkhas, the town's deputy commissioner, Attaullah Shah, told AFP.

"There was never such a tragic incident to happen to Mirpurkhas," he said.

Eight of the bodies had been confirmed as being residents of the town so far, he said. Twenty-four Mirpurkhas residents were among the injured. But at least another 40 are still missing, he said.

Officials in Rahim Yar Khan have said many of the bodies are charred beyond recognition and will have to be identified through DNA testing — a process that could take up to one month.

Shah said the government was arranging to send families of the missing from Mirpurkhas to the hospital in Rahim Yar Khan where the bodies have been taken.

'Mistake'
Mirpurkhas, a town of some half a million people surrounded by farms and mango orchards, was largely shut down on Friday as businesses closed in mourning.

"These were such people that we can not ever forget them," Mohammad Anwar, the 57-year-old headmaster of a government school, told AFP at the Bismillah Mosque.

He said that among the missing was his nephew, as well as the mosque's imam. Most of those who left from the mosque had known one another or lived nearby.

Yawar Hussain came to the deputy commissioner's office overnight in hopes of finding his brother Mohsin, 20.

Clutching a photograph of his brother wearing a starched beige shalwar kameez and sunglasses, the 23-year-old described rushing home after hearing of the accident.

"I consoled my father, and my mother and sisters were crying," he said.

Train accidents are common in Pakistan, where the railways have seen decades of decline due to corruption, mismanagement and lack of investment.

Gas cylinders are supposedly banned on trains. Railways minister Sheikh Rasheed Ahmed said on Thursday that it had been a "mistake" to allow the cylinders on board, and Prime Minister Imran Khan has ordered an inquiry.

The train was the Tezgam, a daily express service that runs back and forth between the southern port city of Karachi and Rawalpindi, adjacent to Islamabad.

But it was being diverted on Thursday to carry pilgrims to the annual Tablighi Ijtema, one of Pakistan's biggest religious gatherings, which sees up to 400,000 people descend on a tented village outside Lahore for several days to sleep, pray and eat together.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1514207/funerals-begin-as-mirpurkhas-mourns-victims-of-tezgam-fire

 

[Mamoon]

Dont you predict this every day. I bet a day after the IK came to power you wanted him out. The reality is that you are the product of corruption and you can't handle change. If the rail system is bad its because your corrupt friends have been in power for 30 years( give or take) and the only fair criticism of IK can be that hasn't managed to change a system your friends built. So suck it up.

What change? Where is the change?

That is the point. PTI have not changed anything and have failed to walk the talk. You are blaming the previous governments for the poor performance of railway today, but Sheikh Rasheed, the man whom Imran picked to revamp the Railway, was also the Railway Minister in 2006-2007.

What exactly is he going to achieve now after failing in his previous stint? The result is in front of us. People are dying because the railway authorities have failed to keep elementary checks.

This latest accident happened because passengers carried pressure-cookers on board. This should not have been allowed and is a clear example of the incompetence of the authorities.

It has nothing to do with the performance of the previous governments. 1.5 years is more than enough turn to ensure basic professionalism and to avoid such schoolboy mistakes.

Sheikh Rasheed is incompetent and Imran Khan is also incompetent for believing that a tried and tested failure like Sheikh Rasheed can make the railways better, and if Imran Khan wasn’t a hypocrite, he would live to his words and ask Sheikh Rasheed to resign in light of the recent accidents.

 

[Mamoon]

I don’t really support any political party in Pakistan but surely you are talking about a utopian reality. Politics is all about compromise and no one gets in power can say they haven’t compromised on their morals. Obama promised to close Guantanamo Bay but he didn’t. The Tories made a deal with the DUP just to have a slight majority so they could pass their legislation in Parliament, etc. Imran would have never gotten into power if he had decided to go with nobodies. He would have languished in opposition forever. He most likely compromised by thinking he could do something for Pakistan by coming into power.

Imran created this utopian world himself and now that is clearly not capable of living up to it, he will be criticized. He shouldn’t have made all the tall claims when he had no intentions of living up to them whilst in power.

Imran’s problem is that he is idealistic and naive. He underestimated the challenge of running a country and he thought it is going to be as straightforward as captaining a cricket team. He has received a massive reality check in the last year and a half and people who didn’t support him blindly saw it coming.

 

[MenInG]

Imran created this utopian world himself and now that is clearly not capable of living up to it, he will be criticized. He shouldn’t have made all the tall claims when he had no intentions of living up to them whilst in power.

Imran’s problem is that he is idealistic and naive. He underestimated the challenge of running a country and he thought it is going to be as straightforward as captaining a cricket team. He has received a massive reality check in the last year and a half and people who didn’t support him blindly saw it coming.

Do we know of any politician who doesnt make claims to better the country? Even we do in real life - the main point that people love about Imran is that his Niyat is saaf. People sitting in jails and laundering money etc cannot say that.

Imran will continue to have that support - much to the irritation of others - until such times as there is a clear evidence that his niyat is NOT saaf.

Live with it.

 

[Mamoon]

Do we know of any politician who doesnt make claims to better the country? Even we do in real life - the main point that people love about Imran is that his Niyat is saaf. People sitting in jails and laundering money etc cannot say that.

Imran will continue to have that support - much to the irritation of others - until such times as there is a clear evidence that his niyat is NOT saaf.

Live with it.

If his niyat was saaf he wouldn’t have welcomed crooks and frauds from other parties into his fold. If his niyat was saaf he would hold people like Sheikh Rasheed accountable.

His only niyat was to become the PM using any means possible. This whole Naya Pakistan and tabdeeli business was just a drama to fool the nation.

There is no Naya Pakistan and there is no tabdeeli. He has taken the masses for a ride.

 

[Bewal Express]

What change? Where is the change?

That is the point. PTI have not changed anything and have failed to walk the talk. You are blaming the previous governments for the poor performance of railway today, but Sheikh Rasheed, the man whom Imran picked to revamp the Railway, was also the Railway Minister in 2006-2007.

What exactly is he going to achieve now after failing in his previous stint? The result is in front of us. People are dying because the railway authorities have failed to keep elementary checks.

This latest accident happened because passengers carried pressure-cookers on board. This should not have been allowed and is a clear example of the incompetence of the authorities.

It has nothing to do with the performance of the previous governments. 1.5 years is more than enough turn to ensure basic professionalism and to avoid such schoolboy mistakes.

Sheikh Rasheed is incompetent and Imran Khan is also incompetent for believing that a tried and tested failure like Sheikh Rasheed can make the railways better, and if Imran Khan wasn’t a hypocrite, he would live to his words and ask Sheikh Rasheed to resign in light of the recent accidents.

Well the crooks are in jail even after the best efforts of LHC and IHC, would they be if IK was not in power, no chance.
Sh Rashid has been Minster for 3 of the last 30 years, and you put all the blame on him? Interesting but NS has been PM 3 times nearly doing a decade but he couldn't build a single hospital that he could use, instead according to you paying money to the UK government which kills Muslims. So when you are a mental midget you don't think things through.
If people are determined enough to do things they will do them, and if the railway staff were not enforcing the rules then serious questions have to be asked, then blames need to be apportioned.


Btw I quoted back to you the word corruption and you ran. It was your word, why did you run. Does corruption lead to deaths or not?

 

[Bewal Express]

Do we know of any politician who doesnt make claims to better the country? Even we do in real life - the main point that people love about Imran is that his Niyat is saaf. People sitting in jails and laundering money etc cannot say that.

Imran will continue to have that support - much to the irritation of others - until such times as there is a clear evidence that his niyat is NOT saaf.

Live with it.

Good people recognise good people. He spent years defending the corrupt and couldn't recognise a good person because his niyat is not clean.

 

[Mamoon]

“In South Korea, the PM resigns when a ship breaks. He is not responsible, but he says that since the ship broke in his regime, how can I stay in power?”

- Imran Khan, when Nawaz was PM.

So Imran Khan, when are you handing your resignation?