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True believers from Abrahamic religions. Do you believe Adam & Eve were the first human beings?

Why cant we have our own interpretation? Why do we always have to follow someone?
I respect anyone and everyone with any belief unless they are not hurting me & others and arent spreading hate.

Everyone can have their own interpretation and should have their own understanding of things. However interpretations are generally based on understanding of the original text along with how the Prophet explained a concept complimented with how other scholar(s) have interpretted things. You still have the right to disagree with the commonly accepted ideas.

My point is your interpretations needs a foundation/basis.
 
I believe that Adam AS and hawau AS ( Eve ) were first people created by Allah swt.

I do not believe that they were in Paradise , but were in a garden somewhere on earth.
 
Basically mambo jumbo stuff.

Sometimes literal meaning some times metaphorical. Typical.

So what is it? Are Adam and Eve real or just a story made up to explain to the 6th century Bedouins the concept of human origins?

It's not mambo jumbo but sacred knowledge, experiential wisdom and operative gnosis.

Modern humanity of the Kali Yuga, in the name of "rationalism", has replaced the sky with an artificial ceiling it likes to paint on with the worst of philosophies - Plato, Aristotle, Ibn Sina, John Scot Erigena, Descartes, Bacon, Kant, etc they were all doing spiritual shirk (association) by degrading the Essence of the Almighty through their virtual crypto intellectual construction, to the extent that today, in an era where the ignorance of metaphysics has never been deeper, those who have spend more time on their iPhone than in sacred books feel the necessity to give their opinion on God, angels and so on - talking of "freedom" while institutional slavery to capitalism has never been so profound, with humanity transformed into consumerist zombies.

The point is that Adam and Eve are both humans and symbols of humanity, in the same way that when you look at the dark sky in the night the skies are either physical objects or poetic inspirations ; the whole of Qur'an is staged in such way that everything becomes symbolic. That's not the issue.

The issue is why to preoccupy with such questions ? When someone gives you the destination and even the boat, would you ask what's the median height of the fishes under the waters ? Modern man has everything of the child minus the pristine innocence (at least the child sees everything as a "miracle", or ayat as the Qur'an would say).

I'd advise all my Muslim brothers and sisters to read the great shuyukh of the past or more modern ones like René Guénon/Shaykh Abdal Wahid Yahya, Frithjof Schuon/Shaykh Isa Nur ud Din and so on. You'll learn how everything produced by modernity, its epistemological dogmas and anthropological sacraments, are pure jahilliya (ignorance).
 
No disrespect to anyone's faith but all these mythical stories are meant to be symbolic not to be taken literally but over the years that's exactly what happened. In this day and age it's hard to believe that so many people blindly believe in the Adam & Eve fable.
 
It's not mambo jumbo but sacred knowledge, experiential wisdom and operative gnosis.

Modern humanity of the Kali Yuga, in the name of "rationalism", has replaced the sky with an artificial ceiling it likes to paint on with the worst of philosophies - Plato, Aristotle, Ibn Sina, John Scot Erigena, Descartes, Bacon, Kant, etc they were all doing spiritual shirk (association) by degrading the Essence of the Almighty through their virtual crypto intellectual construction, to the extent that today, in an era where the ignorance of metaphysics has never been deeper, those who have spend more time on their iPhone than in sacred books feel the necessity to give their opinion on God, angels and so on - talking of "freedom" while institutional slavery to capitalism has never been so profound, with humanity transformed into consumerist zombies.

The point is that Adam and Eve are both humans and symbols of humanity, in the same way that when you look at the dark sky in the night the skies are either physical objects or poetic inspirations ; the whole of Qur'an is staged in such way that everything becomes symbolic. That's not the issue.

The issue is why to preoccupy with such questions ? When someone gives you the destination and even the boat, would you ask what's the median height of the fishes under the waters ? Modern man has everything of the child minus the pristine innocence (at least the child sees everything as a "miracle", or ayat as the Qur'an would say).

I'd advise all my Muslim brothers and sisters to read the great shuyukh of the past or more modern ones like René Guénon/Shaykh Abdal Wahid Yahya, Frithjof Schuon/Shaykh Isa Nur ud Din and so on. You'll learn how everything produced by modernity, its epistemological dogmas and anthropological sacraments, are pure jahilliya (ignorance).

You do realise that for early Muslims one of the biggest influencers was greek philosophy. They even reffered to Aristotle as "The Teacher".
 
Allama Iqbal also had some interesting views on Evolution, I wonder what his thoughts were on Adam and Eve.
 
I wouldn't be so quick to put away the story of Adam and Eve and just claim all of this to be religious mambo jambo. Religious texts obviously do not go into detail on this topic and provide a simplistic view of Adam and Eve being the first humans.

I'm not sure whether most of you have read the National Geographic article on the discovery of the mitochondrial DNA. However, the main point of this research and what the article elaborated was that all mitochondrial DNAs stem from one woman" and that she probably lived around 200,000 years ago in Africa.

Now obviously we know for a fact that humans have been here for a lot longer than 200,000 years and thus mitochondrial Eve must not have been the first human female nor would she have been the only female alive at the time. Evolutionists have come to believe that Eve must have been one of many women of her time, in a genetic bottleneck. A time when there were a tiny population of people alive.

I would point those of you interested in reading more about this to the following article

http://www.livescience.com/38613-genetic-adam-and-eve-uncovered.html
 
You do realise that for early Muslims one of the biggest influencers was greek philosophy. They even reffered to Aristotle as "The Teacher".

And that was the beginning of the end. It's interesting you quote Iqbal but he too criticized Muslims for having absorbed Greek thought too much (and ironically Iqbal himself has been criticized for having been under the spell of modern European philosophy, by Sayyid Qutb ra notably.)

The Quranic message is superior to any metaphysical, cosmological or anthropological system produced either in the West or the East. We don't need Aristotle, Mulla Sadra, Kant, ... when a doctor gives you the so-much-waited cure for a deadly disease you won't begin to argue with him on the complex components of the said cure, not only because it's silly to argue with someone you can't match intellectually, but esp. you can die a silly death in the process - many had a spiritual death by trying to fit Plato and all with the Qur'an (were Plato and all supermen or something special ?).

Allah swt has given us the best of the cure, and keep in mind I'm saying it as someone who, from 16-19, was a Marxist (though always Muslim) and read tons of Western literature in philosophy and different sciences with an "objective eye".

Of course you can read them, but by remaining critical and not polluting the pure and pristine Quranic world-view with their egotic pseudo intellectual outbursts.
 
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It's not mambo jumbo but sacred knowledge, experiential wisdom and operative gnosis.

Modern humanity of the Kali Yuga, in the name of "rationalism", has replaced the sky with an artificial ceiling it likes to paint on with the worst of philosophies - Plato, Aristotle, Ibn Sina, John Scot Erigena, Descartes, Bacon, Kant, etc they were all doing spiritual shirk (association) by degrading the Essence of the Almighty through their virtual crypto intellectual construction, to the extent that today, in an era where the ignorance of metaphysics has never been deeper, those who have spend more time on their iPhone than in sacred books feel the necessity to give their opinion on God, angels and so on - talking of "freedom" while institutional slavery to capitalism has never been so profound, with humanity transformed into consumerist zombies.

The point is that Adam and Eve are both humans and symbols of humanity, in the same way that when you look at the dark sky in the night the skies are either physical objects or poetic inspirations ; the whole of Qur'an is staged in such way that everything becomes symbolic. That's not the issue.

The issue is why to preoccupy with such questions ? When someone gives you the destination and even the boat, would you ask what's the median height of the fishes under the waters ? Modern man has everything of the child minus the pristine innocence (at least the child sees everything as a "miracle", or ayat as the Qur'an would say).

I'd advise all my Muslim brothers and sisters to read the great shuyukh of the past or more modern ones like René Guénon/Shaykh Abdal Wahid Yahya, Frithjof Schuon/Shaykh Isa Nur ud Din and so on. You'll learn how everything produced by modernity, its epistemological dogmas and anthropological sacraments, are pure jahilliya (ignorance).

All rationalists are doing shirk by questioning what is written in religious texts.

So basically what you are saying is that no questions should be asked when it is illogical to think that God put Adam and Eve on earth and some how in a short period of time all these races popped up on various continents.....

This is like saying when you watch Rajnikant movies, put your thinking brain at home and only bring fan crazed eyes to the movie theater.

When someone gives me a boat and gives me the destination, I would not blindly sit in the boat. I would inquire about what the boat is made of and if it can withstand the waves of the Ocean.
 
All rationalists are doing shirk by questioning what is written in religious texts.

So basically what you are saying is that no questions should be asked when it is illogical to think that God put Adam and Eve on earth and some how in a short period of time all these races popped up on various continents.....

This is like saying when you watch Rajnikant movies, put your thinking brain at home and only bring fan crazed eyes to the movie theater.

When someone gives me a boat and gives me the destination, I would not blindly sit in the boat. I would inquire about what the boat is made of and if it can withstand the waves of the Ocean.

When I bash rationalists I talk of Westerners, who are more like positivists than strictly rationalists, positivism itself being a complex phenomenon I'm not going into. Islam itself always appeal to 'aql (intellect), and scholars of all tendencies have written whole books on trying to show the compatibility of reason and religion. It's not the issue. The issue is that Western positivism denies the existence of anything superior to the material.

Look, as Hindu, go ask the masters of the different Vedanta traditions instead of wasting your time on internet. If your finger bleeds I'm sure you try all to stop it ; but here it's your soul which seems irremediably wounded and you're in the deep need of some disciples from the school of Sri Adi Shankara, Sri Ramanuja, ... help you to not drown into the ocean.

May Allah swt guide you to Islam.
 
When I bash rationalists I talk of Westerners, who are more like positivists than strictly rationalists, positivism itself being a complex phenomenon I'm not going into. Islam itself always appeal to 'aql (intellect), and scholars of all tendencies have written whole books on trying to show the compatibility of reason and religion. It's not the issue. The issue is that Western positivism denies the existence of anything superior to the material.

Look, as Hindu, go ask the masters of the different Vedanta traditions instead of wasting your time on internet. If your finger bleeds I'm sure you try all to stop it ; but here it's your soul which seems irremediably wounded and you're in the deep need of some disciples from the school of Sri Adi Shankara, Sri Ramanuja, ... help you to not drown into the ocean.

May Allah swt guide you to Islam.

No Thanks.
 
Judaism and Christianity teach Adam and Eve to be the first man and woman on earth.

However, I do not understand why Muslims believe the same. The Quran does not state this. It only indicates that Adam was the first to be taught about Allah(his attributes) i.e. an understanding of the Creator. This is probably also the time when man got an understanding of free will or the ability to distinguish right from wrong or chose a path for himself.

The Quran does not talk of Adam and Even as the first humans. So muslims should not just adopt the Judeo-Christian narrative.
 
It is hard to believe that they were evolved since there is no sign of proof that indicates there was evolution to begin with. The theory of evolution is based on theoretical which hasn't witnessed the natural order of evolution in person either.

I believe in Holy Quran because we are the signs of creation which indicates there exists A CREATOR. Whether Adam and Eve are our parents or not but doesn't change the fact that GOD aka A CREATOR created them because if they were real, they too are the signs of creation. And Holy Quran is devoted to the idea that the creations cannot exist without A CREATOR.

But the mankind cannot be birthed without mothers. Naturally, Adam and Eve fits the bill because it all started from them to multiply and continue mankind. Without Adam and Eve, that rules out the multiplication and the continuity of mankind. So we as mankind is naturally cannot be evolved from nothingness nor we cannot be birthed without mothers carrying fathers' seeds.

Adam and Eve are not just the name but they are also prototype that pushed the continuity of mankind to where we are now. Without prototype, that rules out the production of mankind. It has to start from somewhere, and there is no proof of evolution process nor the logical process in Earth as we know teach us cars can be manufactured from nothingness. Anyone who entertains the theory that cars are evolved without car-manufacturer, be my guest.
 
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Still did not get the answers to below.

1) What race were Adam and Eve?
2) Are Adam and Eve individual people or a group of people?
3) How many thousands of years ago, they were created?
4) How did so many races of people come up from a single Adam and Eve?
5) Are we born out of incest between Adam and Eve's kids?
 
Still did not get the answers to below.

1) What race were Adam and Eve?
2) Are Adam and Eve individual people or a group of people?
3) How many thousands of years ago, they were created?
4) How did so many races of people come up from a single Adam and Eve?
5) Are we born out of incest between Adam and Eve's kids?

I really don't know why do you care, probably to take cheap digs. But here,

1. They built the first Kaaba, (House of God) in Mecca. So they were from this region.
2. Individual people.
3. This it not specified.
4. Natural course of events, people spread out over many many years.
5. Yes, there was no other choice then as they were the only humans around. Your family would do the same if you were the only humans on the earth.
 
I really don't know why do you care, probably to take cheap digs. But here,

1. They built the first Kaaba, (House of God) in Mecca. So they were from this region.
2. Individual people.
3. This it not specified.
4. Natural course of events, people spread out over many many years.
5. Yes, there was no other choice then as they were the only humans around. Your family would do the same if you were the only humans on the earth.

If Adam and Eve were Arabs, no matter how many times they reproduce, they will always have Arab babies. They are not going to produce Black babies or Chinese babies.

Why do I care, it's because I find it interesting. When more than 5 billion people subscribe to this Adam and Eve story of human Origins, its natural for any thinking brain to get curious.

So, when Adam and Eve live was not specified. Okay. Bible claims 6000yrs ago. Since Islam borrowed this story from Jews and Christians, would it be safe to assume that Earth is 6000 yrs old from Islamic perspective too?

So in a short 6000yrs, all these races of people emerged. May be in another 6000yrs, there will be many more races of people on Earth.

May I ask you where do Dinosaurs and hominid species like Neanderthal man fit into the picture?
 
A bit irreverent, but this discussion of Arabs producing Chinese babies reminds me of the Sardar Jee joke...

Sardar Jee's wife gives birth to their fourth child. Sardar Jee fills the Birth Certificate application. In the race column, he writes "Father: Sardar; Mother: Sardar, Child: Chinese"

Because every fourth person on the planet is Chinese.
 
If Adam and Eve were Arabs, no matter how many times they reproduce, they will always have Arab babies. They are not going to produce Black babies or Chinese babies.
Just an observation. Your statement above completely rules out the theory of evolution.
 
:))) First humans were Arabs
I have seen it all :))

The oldest human civilizations were Arabs. All Semites ultimately come from Arabia (Akkadians from southern Arabia, Phoenicians from eastern Arabia/modern day Bahrain and so on.) That's why the Arabic language is "archaic" : the nomad-ism of the Bedouins made it sure it wasn't polluted by urbanization and mental sedimentation, thus you have a dozens of words for lion, etc a French scholar, the late Pierre Rossi, wrote a formidable book on this subject.

It's telling that the first civilization was made by Arabs (in Mesopotamia) as well as the last, more universal one (Islam).
 
Human evolution isn't as simple as many simpletons here who probably can't even spell biology correctly would like you to believe using examples from their ancient scriptures.
While its easy to claim that Adam and Eve(let's consider them proto humans) first appeared in Dubai or any other nearby regions , truth couldn't be farther.
Early human evolution have been a radiation of distinct species and lineages over the last 4 million years with early part of record restricted to AFRICA
At this stage around 2 million years ago the early humans started to move out of the Africa.It was the time when Homo erectus evolved and the early humans started to disperse around the world.This was the beginning of evolutionary diversification that would lead to evolution of modern man or Homo sapiens sapiens.
THERE IS NO SINGLE PLACE WHERE MODERN HUMANS OR THEIR FEATURES ORIGINATED so claiming otherwise speaks volume about the person's intellect.
Around half a million years ago Homo heidelbergeinsis originated and later got split into Neanderthals and modern humans while homo erectus continued to evolve else where giving rise to Java and Peking Man.Java man if I remember correctly was the first to begin the practice of burial of dead.
Meanwhile cro magnons evolved and it was interesting times in modern Europe with the three species contemporaneous to each other.It was around the time when climate of world has started to undergo change with the coming ice change and extreme variations in the climate has begun to show up.
And during these highly stressful climatic fluctuations the population best able to cope with the rapid change would have favored
here was nothing inevitable about the success of modern humans or the extinction of the Neanderthals, and a different combination of circumstances could have produced a completely different outcome.
To sum it all up.Africa was the place where we first originated from.It was our genetic, behavioural and physical homeland or for holy land for us agnostics/atheists.
 
The oldest human civilizations were Arabs. All Semites ultimately come from Arabia (Akkadians from southern Arabia, Phoenicians from eastern Arabia/modern day Bahrain and so on.) That's why the Arabic language is "archaic" : the nomad-ism of the Bedouins made it sure it wasn't polluted by urbanization and mental sedimentation, thus you have a dozens of words for lion, etc a French scholar, the late Pierre Rossi, wrote a formidable book on this subject.

It's telling that the first civilization was made by Arabs (in Mesopotamia) as well as the last, more universal one (Islam).

Honestly I'm not interested in debating with you enkidu.You are like one of those who fool gullible people with their complex and convoluted nonsensical talks.Believe whatever you want , I couldn't care less.
 
Honestly I'm not interested in debating with you enkidu.You are like one of those who fool gullible people with their complex and convoluted nonsensical talks.Believe whatever you want , I couldn't care less.

Of course you have all the rights to remain ignorant.
 
It is a fact that humans first evolved in Africa and much of human evolution occurred on that continent. It was from Africa that the first humans first migrated into Asia followed by Europe.

Anyone who says first humans were Arabs is completely wrong and cannot back this claim up with any logical evidence whatsoever.
 
So early Arabs evolved into white or black people?
Well there are white Arabs. black Arabs, brown Arabs, and everything in between. Peoples claim to be 'Arabs' from the West coast of Africa to the borders of Persia, from the southern tip of Turkey to the lower reaches of the Sahara desert. It's even fair to say that the ancestors of the Europeans, and the ancestors of the Arabs, had common roots way back in time. ie The Arabs are your distant cousins.
 
Unless subjected to tremendous influence of environment like an Ice Age.

DUH!!
Well you should have added that proviso to your comment instead of making a blanket statement "If Adam and Eve were Arabs, no matter how many times they reproduce, they will always have Arab babies. They are not going to produce Black babies or Chinese babies."
 
If Adam and Eve were Arabs, no matter how many times they reproduce, they will always have Arab babies. They are not going to produce Black babies or Chinese babies.

Why do I care, it's because I find it interesting. When more than 5 billion people subscribe to this Adam and Eve story of human Origins, its natural for any thinking brain to get curious.

So, when Adam and Eve live was not specified. Okay. Bible claims 6000yrs ago. Since Islam borrowed this story from Jews and Christians, would it be safe to assume that Earth is 6000 yrs old from Islamic perspective too?

So in a short 6000yrs, all these races of people emerged. May be in another 6000yrs, there will be many more races of people on Earth.

May I ask you where do Dinosaurs and hominid species like Neanderthal man fit into the picture?

Get some new reading glasses. I didn't say they were Arabs. Arabia today is joined to Africa. At that time the geographical location and how the continent was made up could have been very different. They could have been African. Plenty of theories suggest the first humans were from Africa.

Islam didn't borrow this story from the Bible. This is the level of your knowledge on display.

Dinosaurs lived millions of years ago. Where there any humans at this time? You seem to be watching too much Flinstones.
 
Get some new reading glasses. I didn't say they were Arabs. Arabia today is joined to Africa. At that time the geographical location and how the continent was made up could have been very different. They could have been African. Plenty of theories suggest the first humans were from Africa.

Islam didn't borrow this story from the Bible. This is the level of your knowledge on display.

Dinosaurs lived millions of years ago. Where there any humans at this time? You seem to be watching too much Flinstones.

Except that Pangaea started breaking into smaller masses around 200 million years ago while modern humans are only 300,000-400,000 years old.The earth when humans got out of Africa was pretty much the same what we have now .
You could do with some science lessons brah.
 
Except that Pangaea started breaking into smaller masses around 200 million years ago while modern humans are only 300,000-400,000 years old.The earth when humans got out of Africa was pretty much the same what we have now .
You could do with some science lessons brah.

I was reffering to the landscape. So they built the first house of God in Mecca, which isn't far from Africa itself. Maybe they traveled there, who knows but it's not like claiming they were from the lands of Europe.

I really don't know why Indians troll when it comes to Muslims. Isn't it time to get over the fact Hindu's were ruled by a minority of Muslims? Move on buddy. :sachin
 
Still did not get the answers to below.

1) What race were Adam and Eve?
2) Are Adam and Eve individual people or a group of people?
3) How many thousands of years ago, they were created?
4) How did so many races of people come up from a single Adam and Eve?
5) Are we born out of incest between Adam and Eve's kids?

Answer:

1) Hard to tell about the race but Adam (PBUH) was posted in SL while Eve was in Iraq. Both met each other in Makkah.

2) Individual people as Adam (PBUH) and Eve.

3) I don't know. Many many many many long time ago!!!

4) We call it race. Otherwise it is just people. Strange babies are born everyday. Stranger things happen even in today world.

5) The first murder happened over the girl between Abel and Cain.
 
I was reffering to the landscape. So they built the first house of God in Mecca, which isn't far from Africa itself. Maybe they traveled there, who knows but it's not like claiming they were from the lands of Europe.

I really don't know why Indians troll when it comes to Muslims. Isn't it time to get over the fact Hindu's were ruled by a minority of Muslims? Move on buddy. :sachin

It might be plausible. Before the era of Prophet Noah (PBUH), there is theory that Africa and India were within the reach as neighbors or something like that. After Ark, both have been stretched apart.

There is theory about Atlantic, Bermuda Triangle and many other ancient lands are destroyed into the ocean were at one point greatest kingdoms ever that revolted against GOD and ITS Prophets.

GOD has sent 124000 Prophets in the history of the mankind. That should roughly give us clues about how long ago mankind was created.
 
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Answer:

1) Hard to tell about the race but Adam (PBUH) was posted in SL while Eve was in Iraq. Both met each other in Makkah.

2) Individual people as Adam (PBUH) and Eve.

3) I don't know. Many many many many long time ago!!!

4) We call it race. Otherwise it is just people. Strange babies are born everyday. Stranger things happen even in today world.

5) The first murder happened over the girl between Abel and Cain.

Ladies and gentlemen POST OF THE YEAR
 
Answer:

1) Hard to tell about the race but Adam (PBUH) was posted in SL while Eve was in Iraq. Both met each other in Makkah.

2) Individual people as Adam (PBUH) and Eve.

3) I don't know. Many many many many long time ago!!!

4) We call it race. Otherwise it is just people. Strange babies are born everyday. Stranger things happen even in today world.

5) The first murder happened over the girl between Abel and Cain.

SL? :murali
 

I can't find your original post where you asked the question about how so many races came out of two people but i'd suggest you read up on Mitochondrial Eve because that is indeed what happen.

The 'races' are not a different species of humans it's just humans who have evolved due to the enviroment.

Genetically, all humans are linked to one woman who was from Africa. Again, read up on Mitochondrial Eve and you will know what i'm talking about.
 
Adam as was first prophet on earth and not first human and eve was his wife and they were thought to stay together as husband and wife, the first act of humanity which seprate us
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Of course Adam as footprint is in Sri Lanka it's quite an interesting story how Adam as was created then shaytaan making him eat from the tree then he was put on earth and how Adam struggled it's said that if you add the tears of every man and but it on a mass then Adams tears that he shed will out weigh the entire of the humanity's tears then Adam as met his wife Hawa.During them times the blood was pure so the children of Adam could reproduce with each other this stopped till the time of Musa As by then the blood was no longer pure but Allah SWT shows how shaytaan works Allah turned disbelievers into monkeys so shaytaan used this to persuade humans that we didn't come from Adam and Hawa but from Apes this is Shaytaan for you The Manous.To this day scientists don't completely agree with the theory
 
Adam as was first prophet on earth and not first human and eve was his wife and they were thought to stay together as husband and wife, the first act of humanity which seprate us
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Finally Sanity got hold of the thread.

Thank You.
 
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