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Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu has sent a letter to the United Nations formally requesting that his country be referred to as “Türkiye,” the state-run news agency reported. The move is seen as part of a push by Ankara to rebrand the country and dissociate its name from the bird, turkey, and some negative connotations that are associated with it.

Anadolu Agency said Stephane Dujarric, spokesman to U.N. Secretary General Antonio Guterres, confirmed receipt of the letter late on Wednesday. The agency quoted Dujarric as saying that the name change had become effective “from the moment” the letter was received.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s government has been pressing for the internationally recognized name Turkey to be changed to “Türkiye” (tur-key-YAY) as it is spelled and pronounced in Turkish. The country called itself “Türkiye” in 1923 after its declaration of independence.


In December, Erdogan ordered the use of “Türkiye” to better represent Turkish culture and values, including demanding that “Made in Türkiye” be used instead of “Made in Turkey” on exported products. Turkish ministries began using “Türkiye” in official documents.

Earlier this year, the government also released a promotional video as part of its attempts to change its name in English. The video shows tourists from across the world saying “Hello Türkiye” at famous destinations.

The Turkish presidency’s Directorate of Communications said it launched the campaign “to promote more effectively the use of ‘Türkiye’ as the country’s national and international name on international platforms.”

It was not clear whether the name, with a letter that doesn’t exist in the English alphabet, will catch on widely abroad. In 2016, the Czech Republic officially registered its short-form name, Czechia, and while some international institutions use it, many still refer to the country by its longer name.


Turkey’s English-language state broadcaster TRT World has switched to using “Türkiye” although the word “Turkey” slips in by journalists still trying to get used to the change.

TRT World explained the decision in an article earlier this year, saying Googling “Turkey” brings up a “a muddled set of images, articles, and dictionary definitions that conflate the country with Meleagris – otherwise known as the turkey, a large bird native to North America – which is famous for being served on Christmas menus or Thanksgiving dinners.”

The network continued: “Flip through the Cambridge Dictionary and “turkey” is defined as “something that fails badly” or “a stupid or silly person.”

TRT World argued that Turks prefer their country to be called “Türkiye”, in “keeping with the country’s aims of determining how others should identify it.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/turkey-name-change-united-nations_n_629988fde4b0b1100a631f61
 
I like this name change - this pronunciation of Türkiye feels more authentic.

Also I get the point raised by TRT World about the unfortunate conflation of the word Turkey with other legitimate meanings with the same spelling.
 
Time for India to rename itself to Bharat officially? Not sure if this would work like that?
 
Time for India to rename itself to Bharat officially? Not sure if this would work like that?

India's official name is Bharat in Hindi and regional languages and India in English

Bit like Japan in English and Nippon in Japanese
 
I prefer Turkiye as the new name is closer to how the country's name should be pronounced.
 
Bharat has already been the official name of India in Hindi for a long time now.

Yes but to be addressed as Bharat outside India?

Imagine the chants in cricket stadiums

Instead of India India

Bharat, Bharat ?
 
Yes but to be addressed as Bharat outside India?

Imagine the chants in cricket stadiums

Instead of India India

Bharat, Bharat ?

My theory is that first of all - the name India itself does not have any negative or silly connotations like how TRT World pointed out about some unfortunate meanings for the word Turkey.

India still refers to an area beyond or near the river Sindhu (Indus) so it still feels like a name that reflects something authentic and genuinely Indian and has been in use since 5th century BCE.

Again I do not know about how Turkish people feel about their country's name but most Indians are happy with the word India and as a few posters have pointed out in local Indian languages they do use Bharat anyway. In fact if you notice even Pakistani news channels they too refer India as Bharat - you can see that in their references to "Bharateeya khiladi" etc., the point is in Hindi and Urdu and in most Indian languages Bharat is used.

Yeah overall I do not think there's this need felt to change the name.
 
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Yes but to be addressed as Bharat outside India?

Imagine the chants in cricket stadiums

Instead of India India

Bharat, Bharat ?

Not going to happen, most Indians prefer the Anglicised version to the original hindi name. I think in Turkey itself they do refer to their country as Turkiye whereas even native Indians have adopted the British terminology.
 
Yes but to be addressed as Bharat outside India?

Imagine the chants in cricket stadiums

Instead of India India

Bharat, Bharat ?

The chant is " Bharat Mata ki Jai "

which is very common even today in Indian stadiums
 
No one cares, but if this helps the Turks fight their identity crisis then sure, why not.
 
No one cares, but if this helps the Turks fight their identity crisis then sure, why not.

and what do you know about their identity crisis?
Do you know Turkish people?
Have you been to Turkey (not a holiday for a week)?
 
and what do you know about their identity crisis?
Do you know Turkish people?
Have you been to Turkey (not a holiday for a week)?

After the fall of the Ottomans and under the Ataturk regime, Türkiye decided to ape the west and move away from its Islamic history and roots. They wanted to be viewed as westerners.

This continued for generations until the rise of the war criminal and dictator Erdogan who suffers from delusions of grandeur and views himself as an Ottoman caliph.

He has embarked on a mission to somewhat undo the work of Ataturk and revive Türkiye‘s Islamic roots, although none of that applies to him and his life who live a life of unexplainable luxury.

This has been done through various mediums including propaganda, art, film etc. For example, patronage rubbish shows like Ertugrul to glorify an Ottoman barbarian.

Modern Türks are confused people - they don’t know if they should identify themselves as a modern, progressive western nation or an Islamic nation that was once the greatest empire in the region.

This identity crisis has resulted in Türkiye underachieving as a country. What once was a great empire is best known for selling ice-cream with theatrics today.
 
Turkish MP in intensive care after fight in parliament

ANKARA: A lawmaker from a Turkish nationalist opposition party was rushed to intensive care on Tuesday after getting punched in the head in parliament during a heated budget debate.

Images released by the DHA news agency showed Iyi (Good) Party lawmaker Huseyin Ors, 58, being struck by ruling AKP parliamentarian Zafer Isik. Several other lawmakers fell to the ground during the brawl.

Fellow Iyi Party lawmaker Aylin Cesur, a doctor by training who administered first aid on the chamber’s floor, said Ors’s condition remained critical. “He is still being treated in intensive care,” DHA quoted Cesur as saying.

“I am very sad,” she said. “His general condition was not good after the blow to the head.”

Turkiye’s lively parliament has witnessed numerous fights during particularly sensitive debates. In 2020, a fistfight erupted during tense discussions over Turkiye’s military involvement in Syria.

This year’s budget debates come with lawmakers of all stripes trying to defend their interests six months before the next scheduled parliamentary and presidential polls.

DAWN
 
After the fall of the Ottomans and under the Ataturk regime, Türkiye decided to ape the west and move away from its Islamic history and roots. They wanted to be viewed as westerners.

This continued for generations until the rise of the war criminal and dictator Erdogan who suffers from delusions of grandeur and views himself as an Ottoman caliph.

He has embarked on a mission to somewhat undo the work of Ataturk and revive Türkiye‘s Islamic roots, although none of that applies to him and his life who live a life of unexplainable luxury.

This has been done through various mediums including propaganda, art, film etc. For example, patronage rubbish shows like Ertugrul to glorify an Ottoman barbarian.

Modern Türks are confused people - they don’t know if they should identify themselves as a modern, progressive western nation or an Islamic nation that was once the greatest empire in the region.

This identity crisis has resulted in Türkiye underachieving as a country. What once was a great empire is best known for selling ice-cream with theatrics today.

Also don't forget the salt sprinkling Nusret. What do you think of him?
 
Also don't forget the salt sprinkling Nusret. What do you think of him?

I have a lot of respect for his hustle. Started with nothing & now he is a multi-millionaire & a hugely popular figure. However, I have heard his food is very overrated but it is just a small part of the experience. Would like to visit one of his restaurants soon.
 
I have a lot of respect for his hustle. Started with nothing & now he is a multi-millionaire & a hugely popular figure. However, I have heard his food is very overrated but it is just a small part of the experience. Would like to visit one of his restaurants soon.

Absolutely terrible restaurant
 
I have a lot of respect for his hustle. Started with nothing & now he is a multi-millionaire & a hugely popular figure. However, I have heard his food is very overrated but it is just a small part of the experience. Would like to visit one of his restaurants soon.

It’s absolutely terrible. Paid equivalent of $200 for a steak which I would call average quality even if sold for $50.
 
I have a lot of respect for his hustle. Started with nothing & now he is a multi-millionaire & a hugely popular figure. However, I have heard his food is very overrated but it is just a small part of the experience. Would like to visit one of his restaurants soon.

Agreed. In his own words he started "from below zero" so yes you have to respect the grind.

His food is terrible but if you're gonna try it don't go to the one in London, this is the most overpriced of them all. He charges £100 for a burger alone.

I've heard the ones in Turkey are better.

I know a rich couple who went to the one in Dubai, they hated it!
 
It’s absolutely terrible. Paid equivalent of $200 for a steak which I would call average quality even if sold for $50.

I always think steak is hit or miss, depending on your taste. Even if the quality of the meat is top notch, if the flavouring is bland and it's served with bland vegetables (which it often is) then you will feel like you'd probably have preferred a Big Mac for £6.95.
 
No one cares, but if this helps the Turks fight their identity crisis then sure, why not.
I'm planning to go to to Turkey/Türkiye this year for a holiday and was on a forum (well known) finding out a bit more about the people.

Someone commented that in regards to whether Turks are white or PoC, 'classifying people was some American cultural imperialism which is forced onto other nations. Ottoman Empire was multi-ethnic and Americans should stop forcing other nations to accept their social culture. Nevertheless, racism based on skin colour is real and it’s cringe'.

Wow, isn't that a beautiful thing, I had never really seen it like that. Growing up in the West, I had always assumed this was just 'the way' it was but actually its just a garbage American ‘race’ system. Discrimination based on colour is an American thing. The concept of white comes with black, there is no black and white distinction in Türkiye.

Of course the Turks come in various shapes and sizes and also skin colour. But, even though they are a diverse people with differing ethnic backgrounds, they only see themselves as Turks, not 'Asian Turks' or 'European Turks' or any of that BS. Isn't that a great thing to be reading?

My estimation of Türkiye and its people has only gone up. Fantastic to have it has one of the strongest Muslim countries around.
 
I'm planning to go to to Turkey/Türkiye this year for a holiday and was on a forum (well known) finding out a bit more about the people.

Someone commented that in regards to whether Turks are white or PoC, 'classifying people was some American cultural imperialism which is forced onto other nations. Ottoman Empire was multi-ethnic and Americans should stop forcing other nations to accept their social culture. Nevertheless, racism based on skin colour is real and it’s cringe'.

Wow, isn't that a beautiful thing, I had never really seen it like that. Growing up in the West, I had always assumed this was just 'the way' it was but actually its just a garbage American ‘race’ system. Discrimination based on colour is an American thing. The concept of white comes with black, there is no black and white distinction in Türkiye.

Of course the Turks come in various shapes and sizes and also skin colour. But, even though they are a diverse people with differing ethnic backgrounds, they only see themselves as Turks, not 'Asian Turks' or 'European Turks' or any of that BS. Isn't that a great thing to be reading?

My estimation of Türkiye and its people has only gone up. Fantastic to have it has one of the strongest Muslim countries around.
People of Turkey are only 10% Central Asian. The invading herds of Turkish people form a small minority of the Turkey population. Majority people of Turkey are Greek, Armenian, Italian and Eastern Euro ancestry. Basically there is nothing Turkish about people of Turkey. The invaders obviously diluted their genetic pool heavily by reproducing with too many Eastern Euros. The Asian faces have completely disappeared.
 
People of Turkey are only 10% Central Asian. The invading herds of Turkish people form a small minority of the Turkey population. Majority people of Turkey are Greek, Armenian, Italian and Eastern Euro ancestry. Basically there is nothing Turkish about people of Turkey. The invaders obviously diluted their genetic pool heavily by reproducing with too many Eastern Euros. The Asian faces have completely disappeared.

Not completely. You still get Turks who are brown, although most will be similar look to Arabs. In any case I think @Kroll is right, Because they have mixed gene pool I think they don't think about tones of skin colour that much.
 
I'm planning to go to to Turkey/Türkiye this year for a holiday and was on a forum (well known) finding out a bit more about the people.

Someone commented that in regards to whether Turks are white or PoC, 'classifying people was some American cultural imperialism which is forced onto other nations. Ottoman Empire was multi-ethnic and Americans should stop forcing other nations to accept their social culture. Nevertheless, racism based on skin colour is real and it’s cringe'.

Wow, isn't that a beautiful thing, I had never really seen it like that. Growing up in the West, I had always assumed this was just 'the way' it was but actually its just a garbage American ‘race’ system. Discrimination based on colour is an American thing. The concept of white comes with black, there is no black and white distinction in Türkiye.

Of course the Turks come in various shapes and sizes and also skin colour. But, even though they are a diverse people with differing ethnic backgrounds, they only see themselves as Turks, not 'Asian Turks' or 'European Turks' or any of that BS. Isn't that a great thing to be reading?

My estimation of Türkiye and its people has only gone up. Fantastic to have it has one of the strongest Muslim countries around.
Go to Turkey if you have a thing for identity crisis, average food that you can find in every nook and corner of the world, fake museums with replicas promoted as original artifacts and architecture stolen from the Byzantines.

Turkey as a holiday destination is the biggest scam in the world.
 
Not completely. You still get Turks who are brown, although most will be similar look to Arabs. In any case I think @Kroll is right, Because they have mixed gene pool I think they don't think about tones of skin colour that much.
It is not just about Skin tone as it can vary vastly even among proper Europeans. The Asian features have completely disappeared due to heavy mixing. There is nothing Asian about these people anymore other than the language and self claimed identity.
 
Go to Turkey if you have a thing for identity crisis, average food that you can find in every nook and corner of the world, fake museums with replicas promoted as original artifacts and architecture stolen from the Byzantines.

Turkey as a holiday destination is the biggest scam in the world.

At least you would be allowed to go there, try getting your passport stamped on your next dream holiday to Mumbai.
 
Go to Turkey if you have a thing for identity crisis, average food that you can find in every nook and corner of the world, fake museums with replicas promoted as original artifacts and architecture stolen from the Byzantines.

Turkey as a holiday destination is the biggest scam in the world.

It really is. They have the blandest food in the world and not much to see. One exception is I hear they have now developed first class hair transplant industry which a lot of foriegners are travelling for. Quality hair work for affordable prices.
 
Go to Turkey if you have a thing for identity crisis, average food that you can find in every nook and corner of the world, fake museums with replicas promoted as original artifacts and architecture stolen from the Byzantines.

Turkey as a holiday destination is the biggest scam in the world.
As I said, I love the fact that they see everyone that is Turkish as Turkish regardless of skin tone or ethnic makeup. So much so they call out the American BS system of race classification of black/white, African American etc. to divide and subjugate. They just don't see it that way.
 
It really is. They have the blandest food in the world and not much to see. One exception is I hear they have now developed first class hair transplant industry which a lot of foriegners are travelling for. Quality hair work for affordable prices.

I don't know about that, it's still one of the biggest holiday destinations in the world and does a get a lot of repeat tourists/holidaymakers.
 
It really is. They have the blandest food in the world and not much to see. One exception is I hear they have now developed first class hair transplant industry which a lot of foriegners are travelling for. Quality hair work for affordable prices.

Turkey has some of the most beautiful landscapes in the med. Worth going just for that, I have bumped into the odd British Indian over there as well. Turkey is very popular with Brits in general, the food is not expensive compared to Europe, and the Turks are generally friendly people, they don't look at the ground like they do in France or Germany.
 
Twelve dead in Turkey ammunition factory blast

An explosion at an ammunition and explosives factory in north-west Turkey has killed at least 12 people and injured four others.

The blast happened at 8:25 local time (5:25 GMT) in the capsule production section, the governor of the city of Balikesir, Ismail Ustaoglu, said.

Interior Minister Ali Yerlikaya said the cause was not yet clear, but that authorities had ruled out sabotage.

Videos from the scene showed a fireball erupt from the factory, destroying part of the building, followed by plumes of dark smoke.

Further footage from the aftermath shows mangled parts of steel littering the surrounding area.

The explosion caused tremors throughout the Köteyli township, witnesses told CNN Turk.

Many fire crews were sent to deal with the blaze and health and security units were dispatched to the area, officials said.

"I wish God's mercy upon our deceased citizens and a speedy recovery to our injured," Mr Ustaoglu said in a post on social media

An investigation has been launched into the circumstances that led to the blast, Justice Minister Yilmaz Tunc said.

BBC
 
One country that’s been on my bucket list since a long time. Gotta cover Istanbul and Cappadocia soon. I have heard a lot about Turkish street food also and have had in other countries. Turkish people are fun loving and cheerful, at least the ones I have been in touch with.

Istanbul, formerly Constantinople is also one of the most historic cities ever. It has to be among the top 10 greatest cities ever arguably.
 
Twelve dead in Turkey ammunition factory blast

An explosion at an ammunition and explosives factory in north-west Turkey has killed at least 12 people and injured four others.

The blast happened at 8:25 local time (5:25 GMT) in the capsule production section, the governor of the city of Balikesir, Ismail Ustaoglu, said.

Interior Minister Ali Yerlikaya said the cause was not yet clear, but that authorities had ruled out sabotage.

Videos from the scene showed a fireball erupt from the factory, destroying part of the building, followed by plumes of dark smoke.

Further footage from the aftermath shows mangled parts of steel littering the surrounding area.

The explosion caused tremors throughout the Köteyli township, witnesses told CNN Turk.

Many fire crews were sent to deal with the blaze and health and security units were dispatched to the area, officials said.

"I wish God's mercy upon our deceased citizens and a speedy recovery to our injured," Mr Ustaoglu said in a post on social media

An investigation has been launched into the circumstances that led to the blast, Justice Minister Yilmaz Tunc said.

BBC

Om Shanti to all those who lost their life 🙏🏻
 
Wow people judging Turkish food based on salt Bae.

Then we have the PP resident 🤡 who lives in a cave in Peshawar telling others that Turkey is an overated holiday destination.

Never seems to amaze me the ignorant 🤡 on this forum.
 
Turkey was an amazing experience when my family went. There is a lot of history there and bursa was beautiful with its snow.

The food is great if you like milder and more flavorful food without the masala.

Definitely worth the trip.
 
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