UK General Election: Right or Wrong? Most immigrants likely to vote Labour, except British Indians

[Yossarian]

One gets the impression that the overwhelming majority of immigrants (arriving in Britain since the 1950's) and their descendants, from Europe, the sub-Continent, Africa and the West Indies, are likely to vote Labour, with one exception.

Substantial numbers (maybe even the majority?) of British Indians are likely to vote Conservative, with some even voting UKIP.

(I am only referring to the voters in England, and excluding those in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland from above)

Wrong or right?

 

[JaDed]

What about East Asians? Assuming they have similar background of both the spouses working, aren't Conservatives better?

 

[Yossarian]

What about East Asians? Assuming they have similar background of both the spouses working, aren't Conservatives better?

This thread is not about judging whether Conservatives or Labour (or any of the other parties) are better or worse, but the likelihood of which party immigrants from different ethnic backgrounds are likely to vote for.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Most people vote with their pockets - that's now true for immigrant communities too. I'd put money on the wealthier sections of the Pakistani community voting Tory too however there is just less of them at the moment, statistically, compared to British Indians.

 

[JaDed]

This thread is not about judging whether Conservatives or Labour (or any of the other parties) are better or worse, but the likelihood of which party immigrants from different ethnic backgrounds are likely to vote for.

Yes ,but you didn't mention them so whom are they voting for,inclined to believe it's the Tories.

 

[GBK_Fan]

One gets the impression that the overwhelming majority of immigrants (arriving in Britain since the 1950's) and their descendants, from Europe, the sub-Continent, Africa and the West Indies, are likely to vote Labour, with one exception.

Substantial numbers (maybe even the majority?) of British Indians are likely to vote Conservative, with some even voting UKIP.[\b]

(I am only referring to the voters in England, and excluding those in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland from above)

Wrong or right?

I am sure the numbers voting ukip are less than the number of British Pakistanis supporting ISIS, but then you won't tar yourself with that brush.

Also could you look up economic indicators of people voting Tory to Labour and compare the Indian and other ethnic minorities. You will probably get your answer

 

[Yossarian]

Most people vote with their pockets - that's now true for immigrant communities too. I'd put money on the wealthier sections of the Pakistani community voting Tory too however there is just less of them at the moment, statistically, compared to British Indians.

Not just talking about Pakistanis voting Labour. But also all the other ethnicities mentioned in the OP.

Besides, not just talking about wealthier British Indians voting for Conservatives, but even working class British Indians voting Conservative (and even BNP)

 

[Yossarian]

^^^ Meant UKIP

 

[GBK_Fan]

Yes ,but you didn't mention them so whom are they voting for,inclined to believe it's the Tories.

Anyone who is not looking at government dole outs will not vote Labour. Why will you vote for them when they want to increase taxes right from private schools and healthcare to corporations? And this in a Britain bound for Brexit.

 

[Yossarian]

Anyone who is not looking at government dole outs will not vote Labour. Why will you vote for them when they want to increase taxes right from private schools and healthcare to corporations? And this in a Britain bound for Brexit.

So over 9.5 million voters (based upon current opinion polls) will be voting for Labour because they're all looking for government dole outs?

 

[GBK_Fan]

So over 9.5 million voters (based upon current opinion polls) will be voting for Labour because they're all looking for government dole outs?

Absolutely. That and the pandering to Hamas, iffy policy on security and ISIS, he is an instant hit with the other ethnic minorities. Corbyn doesn't have to worry about the minuscule minorities like the Jews, Hindus or Sikhs

 

[Yossarian]

Absolutely. That and the pandering to Hamas, iffy policy on security and ISIS, he is an instant hit with the other ethnic minorities. Corbyn doesn't have to worry about the minuscule minorities like the Jews, Hindus or Sikhs

So basically, you are saying that 9.5 million voters are only likely to vote Labour (based upon current opinion polls) because they're all looking for government dole outs, and because they don't like Jews, Hindus and Sikhs? ) ) )

 

[the Great Khan]

I live in the area with "probably" the largest concentration of British Indians in britain. The majority are east african or the children of east africans. And without a doubt one hundred percent it is a safe labour seat. and so is the one right next to it.

as for [MENTION=143407]GBK_Fan[/MENTION] comment regarding corbyn and labour. well with all due respect but thats just nonsense.

firstly 95% of the population will not pay any more taxes than they already do.
secondly if you can send your child to private school you can afford a few quid more a month in tax
thirdly labour is not looking at changing the benefits freeze but will be looking at providing free school meals and more social housing to those who need it.
Finally your comment about ethnic minorities is ignorant, small minded and frankly prejudiced. Those who love country's that prolong occupation and oppress people like Isreal will always ahte those that support freedom and the end of persecution.

 

[GBK_Fan]

I live in the area with "probably" the largest concentration of British Indians in britain. The majority are east african or the children of east africans. And without a doubt one hundred percent it is a safe labour seat. and so is the one right next to it.

as for [MENTION=143407]GBK_Fan[/MENTION] comment regarding corbyn and labour. well with all due respect but thats just nonsense.

firstly 95% of the population will not pay any more taxes than they already do.
secondly if you can send your child to private school you can afford a few quid more a month in tax
thirdly labour is not looking at changing the benefits freeze but will be looking at providing free school meals and more social housing to those who need it.
Finally your comment about ethnic minorities is ignorant, small minded and frankly prejudiced. Those who love country's that prolong occupation and oppress people like Isreal will always ahte those that support freedom and the end of persecution.

You are probably not aware of Labours tax policies then. Why don't you read up on them before spouting that few pennies nonsense.

Also Probably worth replying to the OP about Indians in your constituency voting Labour. Ethnic minorities are not a monolithic bunch. 25% of British Pakistanis will vote Conservatives. People will vote based on their vision for the country and themselves. It's time Labour supporters stopped demonising people for voting Conservative, especially when you don't like being branded negatively

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am sure the numbers voting ukip are less than the number of British Pakistanis supporting ISIS

If you're sure of that, then it's difficult to take anything you say seriously. But then you have mentioned ISIS twice in a thread totally unrelated so that probably tells it's own story of where you are coming from.

 

[GBK_Fan]

If you're sure of that, then it's difficult to take anything you say seriously. But then you have mentioned ISIS twice in a thread totally unrelated so that probably tells it's own story of where you are coming from.

Since we are making claims without data, my claim stands.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Since we are making claims without data, my claim stands.

It's okay we can read between the lines.

 

[shaz619]

Majority of British Indians outside Birmingham (maybe London to an extent) will vote for parties other then Labour*

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=7898]Gabbar Singh[/MENTION] is tory though I think

 

[Adil_94]

i think this is more of an economic class thing. Working class Brit Indians that live near me support Labour my Indian mates are all Labour supporters. But a lot of Indians in the UK are generally are middle class esp involved in medicine finance IT small businesses and who are helped by Tory policies.

especially with the influx of the Ugandan and Kenyan Indians who made the backbone of the petty bourgeoisie in those countries and carried that on in the U.K.

Im guessing British Indians and Chinese will be an exception to the general minority trend. though Brit Pakistanis are moving up the social strata too and some of those who become middle class professionals and move into the shires or the country suburbs might become Blues in the 5 or 10 years.

 

[Yossarian]

i think this is more of an economic class thing. Working class Brit Indians that live near me support Labour my Indian mates are all Labour supporters. But a lot of Indians in the UK are generally are middle class esp involved in medicine finance IT small businesses and who are helped by Tory policies.

especially with the influx of the Ugandan and Kenyan Indians who made the backbone of the petty bourgeoisie in those countries and carried that on in the U.K.

Im guessing British Indians and Chinese will be an exception to the general minority trend. though Brit Pakistanis are moving up the social strata too and some of those who become middle class professionals and move into the shires or the country suburbs might become Blues in the 5 or 10 years.

Are there any differences between Labour policies towards India versus those of the Tory party? And if so, does that have any effect on the views of British Indians towards these two major parties?

I tend to think that the Tories are much more 'nostalgic' towards the countries of the Commonwealth / old British Empire, especially India. Perhaps because whilst the rank and file 'boots on the ground' would have come from the working classes, the officer classes that carried out the rule over the lands of the British Empire (and enjoyed all the power, prestige and privileges that went with it) came from the 'gentry', ie the backbone of the Conservative Party.

This 'nostalgia' is partly due to the feeling that by leaving the EU, and also by being the Head of the Commonwealth, Britain can somehow re-create elements of the old British Empire .

 

[Robert]

My old Dad was an Irish immigrant. Voted Tory all his life, had no truck with socialism at all, thought socialists were all "twisters", that is to say untrustworthy.

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION] Tories might be nostalgic towards Empire but most Indians dont have positive views of the Raj be it left or right wing so i doubt imperial nostalgia will be a big calling card for them. For Brit Indians who are middle class upper middle class business owners Tory business friendly policies favour them more. Compared to Corbyn who would tax them more. I think for most its an economic decision.

 

[Yossarian]

My old Dad was an Irish immigrant. Voted Tory all his life, had no truck with socialism at all, thought socialists were all "twisters", that is to say untrustworthy.

Nationalist or Unionist, or from the Republic?

 

[Robert]

Nationalist or Unionist, or from the Republic?

Unionist. Not that English people knew the difference in the fifties.

 

[shaz619]

My old Dad was an Irish immigrant. Voted Tory all his life, had no truck with socialism at all, thought socialists were all "twisters", that is to say untrustworthy.

Seems like you were heavily influenced by his views

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION] Tories might be nostalgic towards Empire but most Indians dont have positive views of the Raj be it left or right wing so i doubt imperial nostalgia will be a big calling card for them. For Brit Indians who are middle class upper middle class business owners Tory business friendly policies favour them more. Compared to Corbyn who would tax them more. I think for most its an economic decision.

I agree with this pretty much [MENTION=7898]Gabbar Singh[/MENTION] will confirm it as well

 

[shaz619]

Wow [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] is half Irish then

 

[Yossarian]

Unionist. Not that English people knew the difference in the fifties.

In which case him voting Conservative (full, official name: Conservative and Unionist Party) is no big surprise.

 

[Robert]

In which case him voting Conservative (full, official name: Conservative and Unionist Party) is no big surprise.

Actually it was because in the 'fifties a shop steward tried to get him sacked / blacklisted for working too fast. He never trusted the Labour movement after that, particularly the union bosses, thought they were all wreckers.

He was absolutely insistent that he was better off under Thatcher than he was under Wilson too.

 

[Robert]

Seems like you were heavily influenced by his views

As I have said many times, I voted Labour for thirty years, much to his chagrin. He thought I had been duped.

 

[shaz619]

As I have said many times, I voted Labour for thirty years, much to his chagrin. He thought I had been duped.

I respect that you have your own views but why have you really changed your mind now ? my views are probably more in line with the Green Party but I know they're not going to be a force so why should I vote for them? same way, why should you vote for the Lib Dems? I understand it's a matter of principle but lets be honest you're going to get decimated as are the Greens; it is only Labour who has a punchers chance against the Tories which is why I choose to vote for them and they've done ok in my constituency as well to be fair

 

[Sidilicious]

People will vote for the economic policies. IT doesn't matter if you are white, Brit Indian, Brit Pak or whatever race. People will vote for what suits their pockets.

The OP needs to be taught the basics concepts of economics.

I can bet the the middle class Brit Paks will also vote Tories.

 

[Robert]

I respect that you have your own views but why have you really changed your mind now ? my views are probably more in line with the Green Party but I know they're not going to be a force so why should I vote for them? same way, why should you vote for the Lib Dems? I understand it's a matter of principle but lets be honest you're going to get decimated as are the Greens; it is only Labour who has a punchers chance against the Tories which is why I choose to vote for them and they've done ok in my constituency as well to be fair

Because I believe that Corbyn and Abbott are well below the level of competence needed for high office. If Burnham, Khan, Cooper, Starmer, Reeve, Jarvis and Benn were in charge I would have more confidence. I think Burnham would have a significant poll lead by now.

Because, according to the IFS, Labour's manifesto will not help the poor any more than the Tories' will, but the Lib Dem plan will improve the position of the lowest four percentiles. If you want to do something about inequality as I do, vote Lib Dem.

Because where I live, only the LD candidate has any chance of overthrowing the useless Tory we have here. In any event I think we will gain a few MPs.

 

[shaz619]

Because I believe that Corbyn and Abbott are well below the level of competence needed for high office. If Burnham, Khan, Cooper, Starmer, Reeve, Jarvis and Benn were in charge I would have more confidence. I think Burnham would have a significant poll lead by now.

Because, according to the IFS, Labour's manifesto will not help the poor any more than the Tories' will, but the Lib Dem plan will improve the position of the lowest four percentiles. If you want to do something about inequality as I do, vote Lib Dem.

Because where I live, only the LD candidate has any chance of overthrowing the useless Tory we have here. In any event I think we will gain a few MPs.

In my constituency LD will most definitely get wiped out, it's a safe seat for Labour. Anyhow for arguments sake lets say that I agree with you with regards to competency, do you honestly believe that Labour are no better then the Tories? because a vote for LD or a Green or a party other then Labour is more or less a vote for the Tories.

The Lib Dems have some decent policy's and they've costed them quiet well but you're just not going to win the general election but I understand you voting for them in your constituency.

 

[irfan]

Because I believe that Corbyn and Abbott are well below the level of competence needed for high office. If Burnham, Khan, Cooper, Starmer, Reeve, Jarvis and Benn were in charge I would have more confidence. I think Burnham would have a significant poll lead by now.

Because, according to the IFS, Labour's manifesto will not help the poor any more than the Tories' will, but the Lib Dem plan will improve the position of the lowest four percentiles. If you want to do something about inequality as I do, vote Lib Dem.

Because where I live, only the LD candidate has any chance of overthrowing the useless Tory we have here. In any event I think we will gain a few MPs.

Nonsense, notwithstanding that some of those people are simply awful, they would not have a lead as they would simply be continuing the neoliberal agenda by offering a Tory lite/Red Tory manifesto that would not be much different from the Conservatives. It is only by offering real choice that Labour are gaining support. The IFS have said no such thing, that is not their remit.

 

[Robert]

In my constituency LD will most definitely get wiped out, it's a safe seat for Labour. Anyhow for arguments sake lets say that I agree with you with regards to competency, do you honestly believe that Labour are no better then the Tories? because a vote for LD or a Green or a party other then Labour is more or less a vote for the Tories.

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It's a tough call. One sides looks competent but horribly cynical. The other looks incompetent but well-meaning.

Regarding your last point, some LD activists in lost cause constituencies are travelling to winnable target seats or doing phone canvassing. For example if I lived in a Labour stronghold I might pop over to Richmond to give Mrs Olney a hand in her fight with Goldsmith.

 

[Robert]

The IFS have said no such thing, that is not their remit.

Look it up for yourself.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

So in UK people vote according to community, thats quite surprising for me as in my family alone there is no agreement on single party , my grandfather and grandmother used to vote for congress and my father for BJP and my mother vote fluctuates between bjp and bsp.