UK-India trade deal in jeopardy following Suella Braverman's remarks on Indian migrants

[MenInG]

Home Secretary Suella Braverman's remarks have sparked a heated response from Indian ministers, seriously jeopardising the UK prime minister's flagship trade agreement with India, according to a report by The Times.

The Home Secretary expressed "concerns" about the trade agreement last week, claiming that it will increase migration to the UK and that Indians made up the greatest proportion of visa overstayers.

She was reported as saying by The Spectator magazine, "I do have some reservations. Look at migration in this country – the largest group of people who overstay are Indian migrants."

Moneycontrol could not verify the news.

The "disrespectful" comments left the Indian government ministers and officials "shocked and dismayed", according to the report citing sources.

The Indian government sources added that the "relationship has taken a step back" as a result of the home secretary's remarks.

There is still a lot of goodwill, but the discussions will be halted if certain people remain in the government, they continued.

If Truss wanted to save the contract, they advised her to publicly "disassociate" herself from Braverman's remarks.

The Indian government is seeking additional work and study visas for its residents, as well as a new visa modelled after an agreement with Australia and New Zealand that permits people under the age of 35 to live in the UK for up to three years.

In talks, the improved terms are referred to as "mobility."

"Mobility has been the main Indian request, and everything else—financial services, banking, education, rules of origin for whisky, etc.—depends on it," a senior UK government source told The Times.

"And Suella has gone and pulled the rug from under that mobility ask," he added.

A UK government source who spoke with Indian officials involved with trade negotiations said: "They were apoplectic. Mad doesn’t even come close to describing how angry they are."

Truss had hoped that the trade agreement would be concluded on October 24. However, that deadline had been doubtful, according to a source in the UK government who said that only 40 percent of the deal's chapters had been finished.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/i...rmans-remarks-on-indian-migrants-9318541.html

 

[MenInG]

LONDON — Don’t hold your breath for a U.K. visit from Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi to seal a much-coveted trade deal with India.

New Delhi is seething over a British Cabinet minister’s comments on Indian immigration, and a key deadline now looks in doubt.

British and Indian media reported that Modi planned to visit the U.K. for the Diwali October 24 deadline set by both sides in April to conclude trade talks with his British counterpart. But those plans are no longer being pursued, two people close to the negotiations confirmed to POLITICO.

While U.K. Home Secretary Suella Braverman is supportive of a trade deal with India, she expressed “reservations” in an interview in the Spectator last week about more visa access for students and businesspeople as part of that. She accused New Delhi of not living up to the terms of a mobility pact forged last year. More leeway on migration is one of India’s key and remaining requests in the negotiations.

“Look at migration in this country — the largest group of people who overstay are Indian migrants,” the home secretary said. “We even reached an agreement with the Indian government last year to encourage and facilitate better co-operation in this regard. It has not necessarily worked very well.”

India's High Commission in Britain shot back, calling Braverman’s comments “inappropriate” while talks continue and accused Britain of its own failures in the mobility deal meant to make it easier for students, researchers and professionals to travel between the two countries.

There is frustration within 10 Downing Street and the trade department about the impact Braverman’s comments have had on the negotiations. No. 10 has no plans for a Modi visit around Diwali.

Braverman has “damaged the political atmospherics” of the deal and public perception of the U.K. in India, a businessperson close to the talks meanwhile said, noting the home secretary's comments “didn’t go down well at all in India.”

U.K. Home Secretary Suella Braverman's comments about migration have been deemed "inappropriate" | Dan Kitwood / Getty Images
The visit is “not happening,” a second businessperson, who is familiar with the workings of the Indian government, said. The October 24 deadline will be “tough” to meet, they said, adding: “I'm not sure if the entire [Free Trade Agreement] will be agreed by then.”

There are “still lots of important chapters to close [in the deal] which haven’t progressed much in the last month,” the first businessperson quoted above said, noting that doubts over the deal “are broader” than hang-ups on migration.

Long-standing concerns about access for Britain’s large services sector and access to flows of data that help deliver digital products are still unresolved.

Indian carmakers are backing a cut to the country’s high tariffs on British-made cars that would bring duties down to 30 percent, easing access to the country’s notoriously protectionist automotive markets. Yet even if the tariffs are liberalized, Britain's automotive sector worries technical rules of origin may still pose barriers to British cars and trucks.

U.K. Trade Secretary Kemi Badenoch and the trade department “will be doing everything possible over the next fortnight to secure a good deal with India,” said a trade department official.

“The Indians are notorious negotiators and inherently protectionist," they said, "so reaching an ambitious agreement is going to be difficult, but we are absolutely committed to finding a way through.” A spokesman for Truss said there was no change in expectations on the delivery of a deal and "complex negotiations are ongoing."

Two-way trade between the two countries was worth £24 billion in 2021. The U.K. government hopes to grow this through a deal. A trade department spokesperson said they “won’t sacrifice quality for speed, and will only sign when we have a deal that meets both countries’ interests."

Braverman’s office declined to comment. The Indian High Commission also declined to comment while talks are ongoing.

https://www.politico.eu/article/narendra-modi-visit-off-as-uk-india-diwali-deadline-crumbles/

 

[anikrc1]

Looks like the UK negotiators were already getting bullied by their Indian counterparts. This will only make their task tougher.

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India plays hardball on UK trade deal as Liz Truss scrambles for a win

LONDON — India is driving a hard bargain as Britain’s crisis-hit government tries to get a coveted trade deal over the line within weeks.

Prime Minister Liz Truss, whose fledgling administration could do with a break amid market turmoil and plunging poll ratings, has ordered her trade chief to hold fast to an October 24 Diwali deadline for the deal set by predecessor Boris Johnson and India’s Narendra Modi. But, with weeks to go in talks to secure a post-Brexit win, some crucial sectors are spooked by what’s on the table.

If the deal “doesn’t shift quite a lot,” said a senior business person briefed on the content of the talks, “it will be into the ‘a bad deal is worse than no deal’ territory.”

That’s not to say Britain’s negotiators — in daily talks with their counterparts — aren’t racking up wins. The U.K. is on the cusp of securing a cut to India’s steep, 150 percent federal tariff on Scotch whisky imports, two people familiar with the matter told POLITICO.

It would mark an early victory for an iconic industry under Trade Secretary Kemi Badenoch, who addresses the Conservative Party conference in Birmingham Monday. Her boss Truss — herself a former U.K. trade chief — has described landing a deal with India as one of her top trade priorities.

Yet, as ever with global trade talks, there’s a snag. While India is prepared to slash the federal whisky tariff as the two sides race to the end, Delhi’s negotiators are using it as leverage to get what they want from Britain.

A spokesperson for Britain’s trade department said it “cannot comment on live negotiations” but that “we are clear that we won’t sacrifice quality for speed.” The U.K. will, it stressed, “only sign when we have a deal that meets the U.K.’s interests.”

Privately, a government official acknowledged India has been “playing dirty” through a public pressure campaign to push Britain into a deal that insiders expect will focus on eliminating goods tariffs.

Even if it secures the tariff cut on Scotch, the whisky industry remains concerned that a host of bureaucratic barriers will still need to be removed to make the reduction worthwhile.

“Even if Scotch tariffs come down, there are all manner of market access barriers, particularly at state level, that will continue to be a major challenge,” said David Henig, director of U.K. trade policy at the European Centre for International Political Economy (ECIPE) think tank.

In a fresh twist last week, India threatened to slap $247 million of retaliatory tariffs on Scotch and other industries if Britain doesn’t drop controversial safeguards it put in place to protect its domestic steel industry.

While the two issues are ostensibly separate, some trade experts saw it as a well-worn hardball negotiating tactic from Delhi, with a person close to the deal saying it looked designed to give India “additional leverage” in the talks on a free trade agreement.

“India did this to the U.S. a few years ago, again over steel,” they noted, saying the move is “not dissimilar” to India’s last-minute pressure tactics at the COP26 climate summit and the recent WTO negotiations over COVID-19 vaccine access.

The move shows India is “lining up more leverage to get the narrowly focused trade deal they want from us,” Henig said. Such pressure tactics are “certainly in the playbook of trade negotiations,” said another trade expert.

A person close to the Scotch whisky industry disputed the idea that the steel retaliation move was linked to the wider trade talks, saying Delhi is merely “reacting” to Britain’s move in June to shore up its steel industry.

‘Playing dirty’
As wrangling over the whisky tariffs continues, Britain’s services sector has its own doubts — and time is running out.

Several business associations — including Britain’s tech, financial services, pharmaceutical and chemical industries — went public with their concerns about the speed of talks and what the deal will offer British firms back in August.

“I have been saying for some time that I would rather we get a more comprehensive deal than rush to complete it by Diwali,” said Karan Bilimoria, Cobra beer magnate and founding chairman of the UK India Business Council.

Negotiations would “ideally” wrap up by the end of the year, Bilimoria said, leaving the door open to strike a pact that benefits Britain’s key growth sectors. But he added: “From what I am aware of, the government is working towards a deal that will be broad, comprehensive and benefits the U.K. and our businesses.”

Britain remains overwhelmingly a services-based economy: the sector generated 78 percent of total U.K. economic output from April to June this year.

Securing both the free flow of data between the countries and strong protections for intellectual property rights were key “overall objectives” for the deal set out in the U.K.’s strategic approach for talks in January.

Yet data also looks like a major roadblock to landing a deal with India that secures big wins for the U.K.’s services giants.

Britain’s deal with India “may fail to achieve meaningful access for U.K. tech, digital and financial services companies,” Kathryn Watson, an expert in trade policy at the consultancy Flint Global warned. India, she stressed “is very protectionist when it comes to data being transferred out of its region and is increasingly making it harder for companies to store data outside of its borders and operate in the country without setting up there first.”

The deal is “predominantly a fairly narrow set of tariff reductions rather than anything significant that will change the cost of doing business in India for U.K. companies,” Henig said.

Businesspeople and experts said that the sheer volume of areas missing from the pact will now require British negotiators to bake joint committees into the deal so that outstanding issues can be hammered out in the future.

“In light of the fact not everyone’s going to get everything they want, U.K. negotiators are alert to the need to put structures in place that you can come back to [the deal] through the implementation of the agreement,” said another senior business person.

British businesses “should be skeptical that structures put in place for the future will deliver significantly and quickly,” Henig said, referring to any working groups and joint committees formed by the pact. “But they may be able to make gradual gains, particularly if the focus on the U.K. side is on implementation of deals rather than negotiation of new ones.”

Truss has given British negotiators as wide a mandate as possible to secure the deal by the Diwali deadline.

“It looks to be a goods-based deal that gives Indian companies the right to sell into the U.K. without having to have a presence in the U.K.,” said the first senior business person quoted. “Whereas what the U.K. wanted was a services and goods deal with much better establishment provisions, with at least something on digital trade and intellectual property rights.”

As it stands, there’s so little for the services sector in the deal “as to make it feel very asymmetric” in India’s favor, they added. “It’s a shame because this is a once-in-20-year opportunity and we won’t get to renegotiate it anytime soon.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.po...all-uk-trade-deal-liz-truss-scramble-win/amp/.

 

[Technics 1210]

I am guessing the majority of the Indian overstayers ended up in Leicester.

 

[PakLFC]

Of course it will be a big problem seeing so many illegal Indian's entering the UK in large numbers then refusing to return home. They are already bombarding America sitting in Mexico in tens of thousands. One wonders why these people are so desperate to leave the great, happy and prosperous India.

 

[rhony]

I am with Suella Braverman on this. Wish the US has someone that can execute this with guts. Only high valued immigration should be encouraged. Someone with an admit to a decent university, someone with skills in demand in tech or someone with considerable cash to spend or start a business. These are the only categories that should be encouraged. What's the point of working a labor job in one's country and doing the same labor, menial job flipping burgers in another country for a few more pounds or dollars? Immigration system is broken and Europe is already going to dogs. US will too if they don't act soon.

 

[rhony]

Of course it will be a big problem seeing so many illegal Indian's entering the UK in large numbers then refusing to return home. They are already bombarding America sitting in Mexico in tens of thousands. One wonders why these people are so desperate to leave the great, happy and prosperous India.

By that logic, people already living in prosperous first world countries with all the facilities and infrastructure shouldn't be working on menial jobs, living in ghettos and eating welfare pounds or dollars. But they do. There are winners and losers in every country irrespective of how prosperous the country is.

 

[PakLFC]

By that logic, people already living in prosperous first world countries with all the facilities and infrastructure shouldn't be working on menial jobs, living in ghettos and eating welfare pounds or dollars. But they do. There are winners and losers in every country irrespective of how prosperous the country is.

Unlike India other countries don't tell the world how great they are despite having a fascist government. Developed countries don't have hundreds of thousands of people seeking asylum in third world countries like Indian's are in America, Europe and the UK. Indians are seeking asylum in developed countries where as labourers from anywhere albeit doing lesser jobs travel legally to wherever they do. Those born and raised in developed countries do lesser jobs due to a lack of qualifications. These people don't go to India to look for job's. The difference is seeking asylum like Indian's do and legal immigration.

 

[PakLFC]

Obviously such people want to leave India in thousands. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
https://qz.com/an-unprecedented-number-of-indians-are-trying-to-enter-1849637849

 

[rhony]

Unlike India other countries don't tell the world how great they are despite having a fascist government. Developed countries don't have hundreds of thousands of people seeking asylum in third world countries like Indian's are in America, Europe and the UK. Indians are seeking asylum in developed countries where as labourers from anywhere albeit doing lesser jobs travel legally to wherever they do. Those born and raised in developed countries do lesser jobs due to a lack of qualifications. These people don't go to India to look for job's. The difference is seeking asylum like Indian's do and legal immigration.

That's your perception. The word fascism is very loosely used and unnecessarily exaggerated these days. You show an article where 16k Indians are trying to seek asylum and say hundreds of thousands are seeking asylum. That's the same exaggeration. Nobody says India is developed. It is in the process and will be in the next couple of decades. Even then there will be a bunch of losers. That's expected when you have a billion and half people in the country.

Most Indians enter USA though F1, H1B, family or tourist visa. US tech scene is full of these people. I'm against family visas too along with asylum cases. They are worthless. Instead, those visas should be given to people that can contribute to society. And when I say contribute, I don't mean doing daily labor or flipping burgers. Visas should go to rich or skilled or people seeking education.

Finally another thought. Welfare should be limited to physically disabled. No one else should be eligible. When you need asylees to do your donkey work, it's time to cut the welfare checks, move some lazy ones to bend their backs and start doing those labor jobs. Societies are degrading because of free loaders and the rest of us are having to pay for that. It's a disgrace.

 

[Robert]

Home Secretary Suella Braverman's remarks have sparked a heated response from Indian ministers, seriously jeopardising the UK prime minister's flagship trade agreement with India, according to a report by The Times.

The Home Secretary expressed "concerns" about the trade agreement last week, claiming that it will increase migration to the UK and that Indians made up the greatest proportion of visa overstayers.

She was reported as saying by The Spectator magazine, "I do have some reservations. Look at migration in this country – the largest group of people who overstay are Indian migrants."

Moneycontrol could not verify the news.

The "disrespectful" comments left the Indian government ministers and officials "shocked and dismayed", according to the report citing sources.

The Indian government sources added that the "relationship has taken a step back" as a result of the home secretary's remarks.

There is still a lot of goodwill, but the discussions will be halted if certain people remain in the government, they continued.

If Truss wanted to save the contract, they advised her to publicly "disassociate" herself from Braverman's remarks.

The Indian government is seeking additional work and study visas for its residents, as well as a new visa modelled after an agreement with Australia and New Zealand that permits people under the age of 35 to live in the UK for up to three years.

In talks, the improved terms are referred to as "mobility."

"Mobility has been the main Indian request, and everything else—financial services, banking, education, rules of origin for whisky, etc.—depends on it," a senior UK government source told The Times.

"And Suella has gone and pulled the rug from under that mobility ask," he added.

A UK government source who spoke with Indian officials involved with trade negotiations said: "They were apoplectic. Mad doesn’t even come close to describing how angry they are."

Truss had hoped that the trade agreement would be concluded on October 24. However, that deadline had been doubtful, according to a source in the UK government who said that only 40 percent of the deal's chapters had been finished.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/i...rmans-remarks-on-indian-migrants-9318541.html

As Truss generates no respect from Ministers, a lack of discipline and corporate responsibility is going to dog her as long as she remains PM.

The situation is akin to Corbyn Labour where the MPs are at odds with the membership over the leader.

 

[mazkhan]

I am guessing the majority of the Indian overstayers ended up in Leicester.

These new indians are a very vicious jealous lot.

They work menial jobs and look at pakistani families who have been here since the 60s and have nice houses cars etc with extreme jealousy they don't know that was down to hard work , kismet and favourable economic conditions

These hindutvas on the other hand are migrating at a time when the west is in rapid decline and soaring costs only someone desperate like fleeing afghanistan of Somalia africa etc would come here , wonder what possesses These students with bachelors and masters spend all that money get shacked up with 10 others in rented accommodation and then do jobs which even white dole scroungers and tramps on the road won't even do.

 

[Robert]

I am with Suella Braverman on this. Wish the US has someone that can execute this with guts. Only high valued immigration should be encouraged. Someone with an admit to a decent university, someone with skills in demand in tech or someone with considerable cash to spend or start a business. These are the only categories that should be encouraged. What's the point of working a labor job in one's country and doing the same labor, menial job flipping burgers in another country for a few more pounds or dollars? Immigration system is broken and Europe is already going to dogs. US will too if they don't act soon.

Since Brexit, UK desperately needs doctors and nurses to replace the EU staff that left, Indian imported clinical staff can fill the gap,

But we also need “menial” staff such as fruit pickers because the British won’t do the tough jobs.

 

[rhony]

Since Brexit, UK desperately needs doctors and nurses to replace the EU staff that left, Indian imported clinical staff can fill the gap,

But we also need “menial” staff such as fruit pickers because the British won’t do the tough jobs.

There are plenty of Indian doctors in US too. As far as the tough jobs go, it's the time of reckoning. West already lost manufacturing to Asia. The tech jobs are finding their way to Asia too. Pandemic showed that remote work can function without issues. The other repeatable jobs will be taken over by robotic machines and AI. Will UK still import people to pick fruit with a bunch of unemployed people in their own country? That would be a travesty. Will the govt be paying unemployment benefits and welfare for the lazy then too? It's a recipe for bankruptcy. It's time to end unnecessary immigration that doesn't involve students or businessmen or techies or doctors. Otherwise the writing is on the wall.

 

[PakLFC]

That's your perception. The word fascism is very loosely used and unnecessarily exaggerated these days. You show an article where 16k Indians are trying to seek asylum and say hundreds of thousands are seeking asylum. That's the same exaggeration. Nobody says India is developed. It is in the process and will be in the next couple of decades. Even then there will be a bunch of losers. That's expected when you have a billion and half people in the country.

Most Indians enter USA though F1, H1B, family or tourist visa. US tech scene is full of these people. I'm against family visas too along with asylum cases. They are worthless. Instead, those visas should be given to people that can contribute to society. And when I say contribute, I don't mean doing daily labor or flipping burgers. Visas should go to rich or skilled or people seeking education.

Finally another thought. Welfare should be limited to physically disabled. No one else should be eligible. When you need asylees to do your donkey work, it's time to cut the welfare checks, move some lazy ones to bend their backs and start doing those labor jobs. Societies are degrading because of free loaders and the rest of us are having to pay for that. It's a disgrace.

16k is tens of thousands although there are many other Indians seeking asylum in many other countries too. It is not only my opinion but that of so many Indian's too that Modi and RSS are fascists. Everyday we hear of new happenings in India related to minorities. There are many Indian's who are living legally in India or going there for a better life that is understandable too after all given the choice ever Indian would want to leave India.

Thing is the wealthy in third world countries are already well off then why upgrade their standard of living even more when it is the poor that need help. If people are genuinely escaping the fascism of Modi then they should be granted refuge. It is the criminals posing as fake asylum seekers that are the problem for the American government's and those of developed countries.

Ya know disabled asylum seekers need to wait a long time before being granted any governmental benefits. Even if granted asylum for years they will have to live hand to mouth. The best bet is to make your own country a better place and i include Pakistan in this as well. I think the problem in India is being such a diverse country there are so many forms of discrimination like religious, caste, class and even language.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Looks like the UK negotiators were already getting bullied by their Indian counterparts. This will only make their task tougher.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.po...all-uk-trade-deal-liz-truss-scramble-win/amp/.

"UK negotiators getting bullied by their Indian counterparts"

I find it delicious that the last two UK immigration control officials have been Indian origin women. This is how to deliver a slap on your counterparts face, do it via one of their own.

 

[Sidilicious]

"UK negotiators getting bullied by their Indian counterparts"

I find it delicious that the last two UK immigration control officials have been Indian origin women. This is how to deliver a slap on your counterparts face, do it via one of their own.

UK negotiators have been bullied by Japanese, Australian and NZ negotiators. So why would they not be bullied by Indian ones?

 

[shortbread]

Suella will bend over, the trade deal will be signed this month. The conservatives are desperate for a win and the Indians know it, expect a preliminary announcement the end of next week. Late last month Indians proposed a 15% duty hike on most UK imports, they'll reverse this so that Liz can claim a win.

 

[mazkhan]

The biggest myth going around that Nigerian and Indian students once graduating from UK universities are doing graduate jobs . The majority are not they are doing menial jobs like care home work for old and mental people, security guards , petrol station attendants, warehouse work amazon etc and food delivery I've seen it with my own eyes these indians are nothing like the stereotypical gujjus one saw that came in the 70s whose children exceeded the norm

these new indians are muscular aggressive meat eaters and have become delusioned in uk because their expectations haven't been met they are also too embarrassed to go back because it will be bayzti and there are no jobs for them in godi land.

It's also a myth that foreign students once finishing their studies will find graduate level professional jobs it's not easy at all.

 

[anikrc1]

"UK negotiators getting bullied by their Indian counterparts"

I find it delicious that the last two UK immigration control officials have been Indian origin women. This is how to deliver a slap on your counterparts face, do it via one of their own.

Didn't even read the report did you ? It's quiet clear from the report UK is getting bullied till now, of course things might change in the future.

 

[anikrc1]

UK negotiators have been bullied by Japanese, Australian and NZ negotiators. So why would they not be bullied by Indian ones?

He thinks that it's still the era of British Raj. Sadly for him UK is more commonly known as USA's cute little lapdogs now

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The biggest myth going around that Nigerian and Indian students once graduating from UK universities are doing graduate jobs . The majority are not they are doing menial jobs like care home work for old and mental people, security guards , petrol station attendants, warehouse work amazon etc and food delivery I've seen it with my own eyes these indians are nothing like the stereotypical gujjus one saw that came in the 70s whose children exceeded the norm

these new indians are muscular aggressive meat eaters and have become delusioned in uk because their expectations haven't been met they are also too embarrassed to go back because it will be bayzti and there are no jobs for them in godi land.

It's also a myth that foreign students once finishing their studies will find graduate level professional jobs it's not easy at all.

Most of them end up disappearing into the British fog working in the black market for cash, that is why these numbers that Indians are the biggest over-stayers are no surprise to those of us who actually live here.

 

[shortbread]

It's also a myth that foreign students once finishing their studies will find graduate level professional jobs it's not easy at all.

The entire 'study in UK' business is set up to subsidise the running of oversupplied higher education institutions in the UK and their massive employee pensions! The lobby is powerful and peers in the cabinet steer decision making. They do not care two hoots about either the quality or quantity of graduates being pumped out, the priority is that there's plentiful supply so that the cash-flow does not dry up.

Lets not forget Universities in England alone contribute nearly a 100 billion to the economy and support more than 815,000 jobs across England. Just in England! Since they liberalised student visa over stay rules the higher education sector in England has also grown by around a quarter over 5 years.

So its a chicken and egg situation!

The only quick fix is to ensure students do not bring dependents in, albeit that might be delaying the inevitable by a couple of years. Pulling the plug will crash a majority of the institutions, because rest assured this govt. cannot afford to fund them.

Or swallow the tough pill, consolidate and reduce the number of institutions, close down the low quality ones and deal with the blow back, which will include massive lay offs. As Suella will shortly find out the UK cannot have it both ways.

 

[rhony]

Most of them end up disappearing into the British fog working in the black market for cash, that is why these numbers that Indians are the biggest over-stayers are no surprise to those of us who actually live here.

Indians come in large numbers. A small percent of them overstay. It's about 4 to 5 percent. They should just apply for asylum like a bunch of losers do. That way they can stick around longer and get out of the 'overstay' category. Indians need to learn these tricks. But again what's the point of complaining when UK has a failed immigration policy. Tens of thousands of losers from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan found their way through Europe instead of standing and fighting for their countries during war.

Here are the stats:

As per Home Office statistics, 20,706 Indians had overstayed their visas in 2020, higher than any other nationality. Of the 4,73,600 Indians whose visas were due to expire in the 12 months to March 2020, 4,52,894 are known to have left, meaning 4.4 per cent of them overstayed their visa.

 

[rhony]

16k is tens of thousands although there are many other Indians seeking asylum in many other countries too. It is not only my opinion but that of so many Indian's too that Modi and RSS are fascists. Everyday we hear of new happenings in India related to minorities. There are many Indian's who are living legally in India or going there for a better life that is understandable too after all given the choice ever Indian would want to leave India.

Thing is the wealthy in third world countries are already well off then why upgrade their standard of living even more when it is the poor that need help. If people are genuinely escaping the fascism of Modi then they should be granted refuge. It is the criminals posing as fake asylum seekers that are the problem for the American government's and those of developed countries.

Ya know disabled asylum seekers need to wait a long time before being granted any governmental benefits. Even if granted asylum for years they will have to live hand to mouth. The best bet is to make your own country a better place and i include Pakistan in this as well. I think the problem in India is being such a diverse country there are so many forms of discrimination like religious, caste, class and even language.

Only a few think India is fascist. They speak as if Modi killed a couple of million Muslims. It's an age old Minority trick. Claim that they ruled over Hindus for thousand years but then again claim victimhood when a couple of Hindus rough them up. The media reports are overblown. India always had religious fault lines and that was the basis of partition too. It's not like India was a heaven before BJP came into rule.

The problem with west is the amount of debt they accrued. The welfare and social security programs are funded by money they don't have. My guess is they are being funded by the money they will never have. It's all leading to a big bankruptcy.

Not everyone in India is coming to UK or US. There are 1.5 bil people in india. Every fifth person in the world is an Indian. Most stay in India. A small percentage go out for education and skilled jobs. An even smaller, minute percentage goes for asylum or overstay their visas. It's all an unnecessary exaggeration.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Indians come in large numbers. A small percent of them overstay. It's about 4 to 5 percent. They should just apply for asylum like a bunch of losers do. That way they can stick around longer and get out of the 'overstay' category. Indians need to learn these tricks. But again what's the point of complaining when UK has a failed immigration policy. Tens of thousands of losers from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan found their way through Europe instead of standing and fighting for their countries during war.

Here are the stats:

As per Home Office statistics, 20,706 Indians had overstayed their visas in 2020, higher than any other nationality. Of the 4,73,600 Indians whose visas were due to expire in the 12 months to March 2020, 4,52,894 are known to have left, meaning 4.4 per cent of them overstayed their visa.

You do realise those people actually fought through wars thus making them genuine refugees? Which was the last war India fought through? Why is Suella Braverman fighting specifically to stop overstay of Indians from a superpower nation?

 

[rhony]

You do realise those people actually fought through wars thus making them genuine refugees? Which was the last war India fought through? Why is Suella Braverman fighting specifically to stop overstay of Indians from a superpower nation?

You are calling able young men running away from battle zones "fighters". You think they fought through? They ran and they ran hard to every first world country. And they will not return even if the war is over. Are they skilled atleast? Most of them aren't. They will be flipping burgers.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You are calling able young men running away from battle zones "fighters". You think they fought through? They ran and they ran hard to every first world country. And they will not return even if the war is over. Are they skilled atleast? Most of them aren't. They will be flipping burgers.

I didn't call them "fighters". You didn't answer my question though why Sue Braverman is calling out Indians specifically for overstaying their visas, and running off into the netherworld of illegal immigrants. This is a country which is supposedly bullying the UK over trade remember.

 

[rhony]

I didn't call them "fighters". You didn't answer my question though why Sue Braverman is calling out Indians specifically for overstaying their visas, and running off into the netherworld of illegal immigrants. This is a country which is supposedly bullying the UK over trade remember.

Suella can say whatever she wants. I absolutely agree with her policy. However, it's part of the agenda to name Indians specifically. 5 percent of Indians overstayed while 90 percent of people from some countries are living on asylum claims in UK. I'd consider this comment as part of the retaliation for Indo Russian oil trade.

US and UK univs will collapse if there aren't any Chinese and Indian students. The Chinese are already cutting back and the univs are trying to woo Indian students more than ever to make up the numbers. Hundreds of thousands of Indians are working in great lucrative jobs in the west and are studying in all kinds of univs. It's clearly an agenda to name India and she will be blamed if the trade deal details. The deal was supposed to cut the tariffs on British goods in India and Suella would be a naivella to ruin it.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Nothing will affect trade and financial relations. UK and India are not stupid. Millions and Billions will not be thrown into the ocean over some comments.

 

[PakLFC]

Only a few think India is fascist. They speak as if Modi killed a couple of million Muslims. It's an age old Minority trick. Claim that they ruled over Hindus for thousand years but then again claim victimhood when a couple of Hindus rough them up. The media reports are overblown. India always had religious fault lines and that was the basis of partition too. It's not like India was a heaven before BJP came into rule.

The problem with west is the amount of debt they accrued. The welfare and social security programs are funded by money they don't have. My guess is they are being funded by the money they will never have. It's all leading to a big bankruptcy.

Not everyone in India is coming to UK or US. There are 1.5 bil people in india. Every fifth person in the world is an Indian. Most stay in India. A small percentage go out for education and skilled jobs. An even smaller, minute percentage goes for asylum or overstay their visas. It's all an unnecessary exaggeration.

Not at all. Many people are calling out India for it's fascism. Mosques are attacked and destroyed every day and you say only a few people. No if it makes you feel better Modi has only killed thousands in Gujarat nonetheless all this anti Muslim situation in India is because of him and the RSS. Why should today's Muslim's be beaten up for the Moghul's ruling India for up to a 1000 years even if they boast about it? India may not have been a paradise anytime in it's history yet I've never seen so much hatred for minorities. One day they are crying over the hijab followed by the beard, then Ramadan to Azan leading to attacks on Masjids.

Whatever the west is doing does not mean India keeps up this silent invasion because eventually these illegals migrants will be thrown out. I have seen Indian's begging for money on the streets of London and regretting ever going abroad. Most Indian's remain in India either because they are prospering or it is too difficult to go abroad. Smugglers will ask for money they can't afford even then there is no guarantee of life being better abroad or even them reaching the promised land.

The link i provided only talks of a specific period of Indian's trying to reach the USA that is some 16,000! Just imagine how many continue to do that and have done so in bygone years.

 

[rhony]

Not at all. Many people are calling out India for it's fascism. Mosques are attacked and destroyed every day and you say only a few people. No if it makes you feel better Modi has only killed thousands in Gujarat nonetheless all this anti Muslim situation in India is because of him and the RSS. Why should today's Muslim's be beaten up for the Moghul's ruling India for up to a 1000 years even if they boast about it? India may not have been a paradise anytime in it's history yet I've never seen so much hatred for minorities. One day they are crying over the hijab followed by the beard, then Ramadan to Azan leading to attacks on Masjids.

Whatever the west is doing does not mean India keeps up this silent invasion because eventually these illegals migrants will be thrown out. I have seen Indian's begging for money on the streets of London and regretting ever going abroad. Most Indian's remain in India either because they are prospering or it is too difficult to go abroad. Smugglers will ask for money they can't afford even then there is no guarantee of life being better abroad or even them reaching the promised land.

The link i provided only talks of a specific period of Indian's trying to reach the USA that is some 16,000! Just imagine how many continue to do that and have done so in bygone years.

There are 300 thousand mosques in India. If Modi is a fascist, there should be a handful left. There is animosity between Hindus and Muslims in some areas and a mosque was attacked. There are a billion Hindus in India and 250 million Muslims. The incidents here or there could be sensationalized but the scale needs to be recognized. If Modi is a fascist he wouldn't go to court to build a Ram mandir in Ayodhya. That's why bigots or people with agendas can say he is fascist but it won't stick or fit for the above reasons. If a train full of mullahs in Pak are burned by Hindus, I can assure not a single Hindu will be alive in Pak. In India, after the kar sevaks were burned, less than a thousand Muslims died. That's the difference. People with sense understand the scale and keep things in perspective. Yes, there is one change though. Muslims used to claim that they are the king makers in Indian politics. Modi showed they are irrelevant. It is true because they make less than 20 percent of the population. Anyway, Modi and BJP have been reaching out to Muslims and there is no discrimination in govt policies.

Illegal immigrants should be thrown out. As I pointed earlier, just 4 percent of visa holders over stayed in UK. That's a small percentage considering the number of Indians that get visas every year. There is a great demand for Indian students and Indian tech workers and doctors. The losers who overstay should just apply for asylum like the fellow losers from middle east or Afg. I'm against illegal immigration and even asylum. Western countries are already broken. As long as there are open doors with easy asylum policies, free loaders will keep coming in. That's from India and every other third world country.

 

[Robert]

Indians come in large numbers. A small percent of them overstay. It's about 4 to 5 percent. They should just apply for asylum like a bunch of losers do. That way they can stick around longer and get out of the 'overstay' category. Indians need to learn these tricks. But again what's the point of complaining when UK has a failed immigration policy. Tens of thousands of losers from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan found their way through Europe instead of standing and fighting for their countries during war.

Why would they stand and fight for one despot against another despot?

Better to have a productive comfortable life in a liberal democracy. As a European I welcome anyone prepared to work, pay taxes, learn the local language and integrate into the culture.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Nothing will affect trade and financial relations. UK and India are not stupid. Millions and Billions will not be thrown into the ocean over some comments.

The UK is in a very weak negotiating position and foreign governments know this.

India will slap us around without question.

Brexit has meant we are backed into a corner everywhere we go and the other countries are well aware of our governments need to sign something, anything to show we are negotiating deals on our own.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Dumb brexiteers took us out of a union of freedom of movement with 400mill just to take into a deal that relaxes the movement with a country of 1.4 billion impoverished people.

 

[90MPH]

Dumb brexiteers took us out of a union of freedom of movement with 400mill just to take into a deal that relaxes the movement with a country of 1.4 billion impoverished people.

Once Labour are back in power (which is near certainty now) I predict there will be a path for UK to get back into the EU, they will have no choice.

 

[shortbread]

Once Labour are back in power (which is near certainty now) I predict there will be a path for UK to get back into the EU, they will have no choice.

Labour will do none of it, last time the Red Wall kicked them out due to Jeremy Corbyn's indecisiveness over Brexit.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Labour will do none of it, last time the Red Wall kicked them out due to Jeremy Corbyn's indecisiveness over Brexit.

Jeremy Corbyn's not leader any more.

 

[shortbread]

Jeremy Corbyn's not leader any more.

and Kier Starmer has clearly ruled out rejoining single market.

 

[shaz619]

Dumb brexiteers took us out of a union of freedom of movement with 400mill just to take into a deal that relaxes the movement with a country of 1.4 billion impoverished people.

Imagine if you are Scottish lol

 

[shaz619]

Home Secretary Suella Braverman's remarks have sparked a heated response from Indian ministers, seriously jeopardising the UK prime minister's flagship trade agreement with India, according to a report by The Times.

The Home Secretary expressed "concerns" about the trade agreement last week, claiming that it will increase migration to the UK and that Indians made up the greatest proportion of visa overstayers.

She was reported as saying by The Spectator magazine, "I do have some reservations. Look at migration in this country – the largest group of people who overstay are Indian migrants."

Moneycontrol could not verify the news.

The "disrespectful" comments left the Indian government ministers and officials "shocked and dismayed", according to the report citing sources.

The Indian government sources added that the "relationship has taken a step back" as a result of the home secretary's remarks.

There is still a lot of goodwill, but the discussions will be halted if certain people remain in the government, they continued.

If Truss wanted to save the contract, they advised her to publicly "disassociate" herself from Braverman's remarks.

The Indian government is seeking additional work and study visas for its residents, as well as a new visa modelled after an agreement with Australia and New Zealand that permits people under the age of 35 to live in the UK for up to three years.

In talks, the improved terms are referred to as "mobility."

"Mobility has been the main Indian request, and everything else—financial services, banking, education, rules of origin for whisky, etc.—depends on it," a senior UK government source told The Times.

"And Suella has gone and pulled the rug from under that mobility ask," he added.

A UK government source who spoke with Indian officials involved with trade negotiations said: "They were apoplectic. Mad doesn’t even come close to describing how angry they are."

Truss had hoped that the trade agreement would be concluded on October 24. However, that deadline had been doubtful, according to a source in the UK government who said that only 40 percent of the deal's chapters had been finished.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/i...rmans-remarks-on-indian-migrants-9318541.html

Suella would happily put her mom and dad on a plane to Rwanda

 

[KingKhanWC]

Despite what we hear from BJP supporters, India is still a poor 3rd world nation. If Europe and US open their borders, nearly a billion would leave India in a heartbeat.

Trade deals shouldnt include visas or immigration. Anyone found living here without a visa, should be sent to Rwanda first.

 

[rhony]

Why would they stand and fight for one despot against another despot?

Better to have a productive comfortable life in a liberal democracy. As a European I welcome anyone prepared to work, pay taxes, learn the local language and integrate into the culture.

You saw how the iraqi, Syrian, Afghan "armies" and youth folded. It's in their nature to run away and take advantage of liberal freebie culture in the west. It's a never ending cycle too because most of them live in ghettos. The cycle continues.

I'm all for immigration of skilled students, workers that make decent wages, pay taxes. Those that don't take advantage of welfare schemes. They are the ones that assimilate and will contribute to the economy.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Suella would happily put her mom and dad on a plane to Rwanda

Suella Braverman is such a weird name it makes me think of those old Goodness Gracious Me sketches.

 

[rhony]

Despite what we hear from BJP supporters, India is still a poor 3rd world nation. If Europe and US open their borders, nearly a billion would leave India in a heartbeat.

Trade deals shouldnt include visas or immigration. Anyone found living here without a visa, should be sent to Rwanda first.

The terms first world and third world don't have much significance these days. We live in consumer driven economies and what counts is the total consumption in a country. West wants to tap the Indian upper middle class of about 30 to 40 million people. That segment is poised to double by 2030. What that means is there will be more people in India that can afford luxury goods produced by the west than the entire population of UK. Then there's the mid tier middle class that's about 100 million people ready to access western goods. That's poised to grow as well. Heck, by 2030 India will have more in the middle Class than that of China as per E&Y.

What you need to do is watch a few YouTube videos on how modern economies work. India in return wants these middle class kids to study and work in foreign countries. Earn good cash and invest that money in India. It's a fair deal considering many UK universities would go bankrupt without Indian students. Let's see what Truss comes up with as Indians can wait. Can Truss?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Suella Braverman is such a weird name it makes me think of those old Goodness Gracious Me sketches.

As per her Wiki, she is half Hindu and half Catholic from her father's side. She is a Christian and it shows in her name.

 

[Robert]

Labour will do none of it, last time the Red Wall kicked them out due to Jeremy Corbyn's indecisiveness over Brexit.

It was more to do with Corbyn’s obvious lack of ability and lack of patriotism.

Starmer will rebuild ties with the EU and eventually re-enter the SM.

It will take a long time because the Tory press lied for so long about the EU that people still believe the lies.

 

[shaz619]

It was more to do with Corbyn’s obvious lack of ability and lack of patriotism.

Starmer will rebuild ties with the EU and eventually re-enter the SM.

It will take a long time because the Tory press lied for so long about the EU that people still believe the lies.

Lack of patriotism?

 

[shaz619]

Suella Braverman is such a weird name it makes me think of those old Goodness Gracious Me sketches.

That’s an excellent comparison

 

[Manunited18]

It was more to do with Corbyn’s obvious lack of ability and lack of patriotism.

Starmer will rebuild ties with the EU and eventually re-enter the SM.

It will take a long time because the Tory press lied for so long about the EU that people still believe the lies.

Why wasnt he patriotic?

Just because he was anti establishment and called out the zionests for what they are, it doesnt make him unpatriotic!

 

[Cover Drive Six]

These new indians are a very vicious jealous lot.

They work menial jobs and look at pakistani families who have been here since the 60s and have nice houses cars etc with extreme jealousy they don't know that was down to hard work , kismet and favourable economic conditions

Lol
Indians have also consistently topped the charts of highly skilled migrants issued visas to live and work in the UK compared to all other countries including Pakistan.
Don't worry.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Is Braverman's statement UK's official stand?

No. British Prime Minister Liz Truss's spokesman on Wednesday said Britain still wants to agree on a free trade deal with India by Diwali later this month. On Thursday, British foreign minister James Cleverly said Britain wanted to have an even stronger trading relationship with India after reports that remarks by a fellow minister about Indian immigrants could put a future deal in doubt.
When asked about the comments made by Braverman about Indian migrants in Britain and the possible impact, Cleverly said: "We do want to have an even stronger, and it's strong already, but an even stronger trading, relationship with India."

https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/world/story/how-suella-braverman-has-put-india-uk-free-trade-deal-on-the-verge-of-collapse-349746-2022-10-13

 

[Cover Drive Six]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ms <a href="https://twitter.com/SuellaBraverman?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SuellaBraverman</a> is a psychopath for eulogising Churchill & admiring the British empire that looted $45 trillion & murdered 35 million Indians & 1 million Kenyans [Mau Mau].<br><br>She has airbrushed the suffering of her Indian & Kenyan ancestors. Auntie Tom. <a href="https://t.co/EQE8ABUwal">pic.twitter.com/EQE8ABUwal</a></p>— Anand Ranganathan (@ARanganathan72) <a href="https://twitter.com/ARanganathan72/status/1578596315256061953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[PakLFC]

There are 300 thousand mosques in India. If Modi is a fascist, there should be a handful left. There is animosity between Hindus and Muslims in some areas and a mosque was attacked. There are a billion Hindus in India and 250 million Muslims. The incidents here or there could be sensationalized but the scale needs to be recognized. If Modi is a fascist he wouldn't go to court to build a Ram mandir in Ayodhya. That's why bigots or people with agendas can say he is fascist but it won't stick or fit for the above reasons. If a train full of mullahs in Pak are burned by Hindus, I can assure not a single Hindu will be alive in Pak. In India, after the kar sevaks were burned, less than a thousand Muslims died. That's the difference. People with sense understand the scale and keep things in perspective. Yes, there is one change though. Muslims used to claim that they are the king makers in Indian politics. Modi showed they are irrelevant. It is true because they make less than 20 percent of the population. Anyway, Modi and BJP have been reaching out to Muslims and there is no discrimination in govt policies.

Illegal immigrants should be thrown out. As I pointed earlier, just 4 percent of visa holders over stayed in UK. That's a small percentage considering the number of Indians that get visas every year. There is a great demand for Indian students and Indian tech workers and doctors. The losers who overstay should just apply for asylum like the fellow losers from middle east or Afg. I'm against illegal immigration and even asylum. Western countries are already broken. As long as there are open doors with easy asylum policies, free loaders will keep coming in. That's from India and every other third world country.

Well you can't destroy 300 thousands Masjids in a few years can you? The open tirade of Modi and his party against Muslim's is for all to see. It is not only Pakistanis but many independent sources that are calling Modi "Hitler" and the RSS fascists in case you have not noticed. There is no sensationalism when every day something is going on with the Muslim's of your country.

They are being attacked one way or another. By going the court does not prove a thing when he ran away from Karan Thapar when questioned about his involvement in the Gujarat carnage. Pak has problems with it's minorities unlike you i am not claiming for it to be a heaven for them. This is the difference.

It was the Samjhauta Express where Hindu fascists burnt to death Pakistanis now that you have bought up this subject. So the Muslim's of your country are "irrelevant" then at the same time you say they are not discriminated against? Obviously this is a contradiction which you don't see. Imagine if the UK or the USA called it's minorities irrelevant there would be an outrage! You need to ask your Muslim's if there is discrimination or not. Now there is uproar over some advert Aamir Khan participated in even if the lady of it was most likely a Hindu one. No one is pointing fingers at her or the producer or director of the advert.

There are illegal Indian's not only in the UK or USA but many European even Middle Eastern countries too with many being genuine and others not so. I don't blame them for wanting to escape India so why are you getting so upset about it?. Combined there are probably more then a 100,000 thousand Indian's living illegally abroad. Yes they also make good doctors and all however we gotta look at both sides of the coin. The problem is differentiating those genuine asylum seekers and refugee's from fake ones seeking better living standards or even criminals abusing the system.

The west has been abusing other countries for centuries by looting them of their resources. They are morally obliged to take in those arriving from former British colonies. I am afraid the chickens have come home to roost for the west as well.

 

[shortbread]

It was more to do with Corbyn’s obvious lack of ability and lack of patriotism.

Starmer will rebuild ties with the EU and eventually re-enter the SM.

It will take a long time because the Tory press lied for so long about the EU that people still believe the lies.

The biggest lie being sold is that Corbyn is unpatriotic.

The Brexiteers simply have to point at the economic chaos ongoing in the EU, let's not forget the euro was the first one to fall below the dollar benchmark. Most EU nations are grappling with debt levels greater than UK.

The current crisis is a result of decades of loose monetary policy, artificially low interest rates, increasing debt levels, Liz & Kwasi just popped the balloon, they weren't the ones that inflated it.

Brexit is a lazy excuse, all this quantitative easing, pension gambling, money printing happened when we were very much part of the European Union.

I'm not saying Brexit was good, but this mess isn't a result of that. Joining the single market won't be the fix either. UK needs to balance it's books and tighten spending, this is only possible by enduring years of pain, either that or kick it down the road.

 

[James]

Braverman is another strange Cabinet minister, with her odd fanatical statements she seems to be from the same far right wing lunatic fringe faction of the Tory Party where we have come across the likes of Priti Patel in the past; more of the US style Republican cutthroat zealot “shock jock” branded politician than a standard British legislator.

 

[Technics 1210]

The biggest lie being sold is that Corbyn is unpatriotic.

The Brexiteers simply have to point at the economic chaos ongoing in the EU, let's not forget the euro was the first one to fall below the dollar benchmark. Most EU nations are grappling with debt levels greater than UK.

The current crisis is a result of decades of loose monetary policy, artificially low interest rates, increasing debt levels, Liz & Kwasi just popped the balloon, they weren't the ones that inflated it.

Brexit is a lazy excuse, all this quantitative easing, pension gambling, money printing happened when we were very much part of the European Union.

I'm not saying Brexit was good, but this mess isn't a result of that. Joining the single market won't be the fix either. UK needs to balance it's books and tighten spending, this is only possible by enduring years of pain, either that or kick it down the road.

Spot on.

All one has to do is take a look ar the state of the EuroZone/SM; it’s an utter mess and a failure.

Liberals and Remoaners have no clue and have been blaming Brexit, when it reality the seeds were sown in 2008.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

UK interior minister Suella Braverman resigns.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My letter to the Prime Minister. <a href="https://t.co/TaWO1PMOF2">pic.twitter.com/TaWO1PMOF2</a></p>— Suella Braverman MP (@SuellaBraverman) <a href="https://twitter.com/SuellaBraverman/status/1582762282626736128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[James]

A government in freefall.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

That's your perception. The word fascism is very loosely used and unnecessarily exaggerated these days. You show an article where 16k Indians are trying to seek asylum and say hundreds of thousands are seeking asylum. That's the same exaggeration. Nobody says India is developed. It is in the process and will be in the next couple of decades. Even then there will be a bunch of losers. That's expected when you have a billion and half people in the country.

Most Indians enter USA though F1, H1B, family or tourist visa. US tech scene is full of these people. I'm against family visas too along with asylum cases. They are worthless. Instead, those visas should be given to people that can contribute to society. And when I say contribute, I don't mean doing daily labor or flipping burgers. Visas should go to rich or skilled or people seeking education.

Finally another thought. Welfare should be limited to physically disabled. No one else should be eligible. When you need asylees to do your donkey work, it's time to cut the welfare checks, move some lazy ones to bend their backs and start doing those labor jobs. Societies are degrading because of free loaders and the rest of us are having to pay for that. It's a disgrace.

That 16,000 number is a drop in the ocean/ it’s not the number of illegal Indians coming into the US every year. That’s the number of Indian caught illegally crossing in. The majority actually successful manage to cross in without being caught.

 

[rhony]

That 16,000 number is a drop in the ocean/ it’s not the number of illegal Indians coming into the US every year. That’s the number of Indian caught illegally crossing in. The majority actually successful manage to cross in without being caught.

To the US? I doubt it. I'm surprised by the 16k number itself. The undetected illegals are usually drug dealers that crawl across the tunnels.

 

[rhony]

Suella bites the dust. Her big mouth is apparently small enough for her fist. Indian sources already mentioned that the trade deal is untenable if some players are part of it. She was duly kicked away.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

To the US? I doubt it. I'm surprised by the 16k number itself. The undetected illegals are usually drug dealers that crawl across the tunnels.

Nah. Usually around 30-60% illegal crossings are actually caught while rest manage to escape away. The ones who are caught then usually do the ‘need asylum’ drama.

 

[Robert]

Now the Chief Whip has resigned!

This is chaos.

 

[gazza619]

Now the Chief Whip has resigned!

This is chaos.

Damn! What a horrible last few years for us in the UK. What more can go wrong, eh? May be King Charles should take control as this Parliamentary process is only a joke.

 

[Robert]

The biggest lie being sold is that Corbyn is unpatriotic.

The Brexiteers simply have to point at the economic chaos ongoing in the EU, let's not forget the euro was the first one to fall below the dollar benchmark. Most EU nations are grappling with debt levels greater than UK.

The current crisis is a result of decades of loose monetary policy, artificially low interest rates, increasing debt levels, Liz & Kwasi just popped the balloon, they weren't the ones that inflated it.

Brexit is a lazy excuse, all this quantitative easing, pension gambling, money printing happened when we were very much part of the European Union.

I'm not saying Brexit was good, but this mess isn't a result of that. Joining the single market won't be the fix either. UK needs to balance it's books and tighten spending, this is only possible by enduring years of pain, either that or kick it down the road.

People noticed little signs like his not bowing properly to the Cenotaph, not knowing the words to the National Anthem, not knowing what time the Queen’s Speech is on Christmas Day, and the inane comment about asking Russia if they did the Salisbury attack. That sort of thing does not go down well, especially in the North.

The only EU nations with debt-to-GDP worse than UK are Italy and Greece. We have the lowest growth rate of any major European economy.

Rejoining the SM would have immediate benefits. Fix the NHS staff crisis, get imports / exports back up, stabilise NI, take the wind out of the Scot Nat sails.

We’ve had twelve years of pain already. There’s nothing left to cut. A million rely on food banks today. We have to increase tax revenue from somewhere. Boost the public sector, and offer short term loans to the private sector to stimulate it to expand and take on staff.

 

[rhony]

Nah. Usually around 30-60% illegal crossings are actually caught while rest manage to escape away. The ones who are caught then usually do the ‘need asylum’ drama.

That's way off the mark. US border security has become a lot stringent after Trump. It's easier to just walk legally into US and seek asylum these days than to sneak in secretly and get shot. South Americans are in majority.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

That's way off the mark. US border security has become a lot stringent after Trump. It's easier to just walk legally into US and seek asylum these days than to sneak in secretly and get shot. South Americans are in majority.

It’s not now. Post Biden it’s free for all and a lot aren’t being apprehended. That’s also why the numbers are increasing cuz people think you just walk in for fun

 

[Sidilicious]

Suella bites the dust. Her big mouth is apparently small enough for her fist. Indian sources already mentioned that the trade deal is untenable if some players are part of it. She was duly kicked away.

Nothing to do with the Indian trade deal. By the looks of it, if the Truss government falls this week (hopefully) the trade deal with India will need to wait even longer

 

[Sidilicious]

Nothing to do with the Indian trade deal. By the looks of it, if the Truss government falls this week (hopefully) the trade deal with India will need to wait even longer

Suella bites the dust. Her big mouth is apparently small enough for her fist. Indian sources already mentioned that the trade deal is untenable if some players are part of it. She was duly kicked away.

Hahaha. What did I say. Truss is gone now. Again nothing to do with the Indian trade deal.

Weren’t you blaming the left win liberals in one of your other posts in another thread? Suella Braverman is as right wing you can get, without being a nazi. You should cheer for her, not want here to go.

 

[rhony]

Nothing to do with the Indian trade deal. By the looks of it, if the Truss government falls this week (hopefully) the trade deal with India will need to wait even longer

Well, her rambling about her Indian heritage to pacify people was the first clue.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indian...dia-trade-deal-suella-braverman-8217431/lite/

 

[srh]

By that logic, people already living in prosperous first world countries with all the facilities and infrastructure shouldn't be working on menial jobs, living in ghettos and eating welfare pounds or dollars. But they do. There are winners and losers in every country irrespective of how prosperous the country is.

Good point and I agree.

 

[MenInG]

The UK will offer thousands of young Indians the right to live and work in Britain, Rishi Sunak has confirmed as he prepares to meet the country’s Prime Minister, Narendra Modi, at the G20 summit in Bali, Indonesia.

Ms Braverman last month singled out India as the source of a large number of migrants who illegally stay in the UK after their visas have expired. She said: “I have concerns about having an open borders migration policy with India because I don’t think that’s what people voted for with Brexit.”

The Home Secretary added: “Look at migration in this country – the largest group of people who overstay are Indian migrants. We even reached an agreement with the Indian government last year to encourage and facilitate better cooperation in this regard. It has not necessarily worked very well.”

Sources close to Ms Braverman on Tuesday refused to comment on whether she supports Mr Sunak’s announcement.

Meanwhile, a Labour source told i that members of the Indian trade negotiating team were incredulous over Ms Braverman’s comments during the party’s own conversations with the delegation.

The source said: “They asked us whether she spoke for the Government when made these comments. They couldn’t understand why she was conflating the issue of more visas with wider immigration in the UK.”

Speaking before his meeting with Mr Modi on Wednesday, Mr Sunak refused to put a firm timeline on the free-trade deal and warned against trading off Britain’s negotiating aims to get an agreement quicker.

He told reporters: “There’s lots of different things that go into trade deals. I wouldn’t sacrifice quality for speed. And the other thing with India, remember that the trade deal is just one part of a broader relationship we have, which is incredibly strong and indeed strategic and happens across multiple different aspects of policy. You know, trade is an important part of it, but it’s not the only part and we’ll be making progress in all of them.”

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Free Trade Agreement "ASAP": Rishi Sunak Details His Talks With PM Modi

London: UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has said that the UK government remains committed to working "as quickly as possible" towards a successful conclusion to the ongoing free trade agreement (FTA) talks with India, as the majority of the substantive negotiation conversations were completed at the end of last month.

At a House of Commons session on the G20 Summit in Indonesia on Thursday, the British Indian leader updated Parliament that he reviewed progress on the FTA during his first meeting with Prime Minister Narendra Modi since taking charge at 10 Downing Street.

He was questioned by Opposition Labour Party Leader Keir Starmer and his own Conservative Party MPs on the timeline for the completion of the agreement with India.

"I discussed the free trade agreement with India, and both the Prime Minister of India and I committed our teams to working as quickly as possible to see if we can bring a successful conclusion to the negotiations," said Prime Minister Sunak.

"Without negotiating all these things in public, I am pleased that the majority of the substantive negotiation conversations were concluded by the end of October. We will now work at pace with the Indian teams to try to resolve the issues and come to a mutually satisfactory conclusion," he said.

More broadly, he reiterated the UK government's stance since the Diwali deadline for the FTA was missed, that he would not "sacrifice quality for speed" because it is important to take the time to get trade deals right.

Rishi Sunak was questioned about his other discussions with PM Modi and whether he raised issues such as India's stance over the Russia-Ukraine conflict and also the UK being an exception within Europe to not be offered the e-visa facility - something he confirmed was discussed and will remain on the government's agenda.

On India's "non-aligned" position on the Ukraine conflict, he claimed "enormous comfort" from the fact that the G20 communique "contained strong language of condemnation about Russia's aggression".

"Our relationship and partnership with India are much broader than just a trading relationship. I was pleased to discuss increasing our security cooperation with India," said Rishi Sunak.

"We also announced the mobility scheme to enable young people from India to come here and young Brits to go there, which is a sign of what is possible. Such exchanges are positive both for our countries and for the young people who benefit," he said, with reference to the new UK-India Young Professionals Scheme launched at the summit earlier this week involving 3,000 new reciprocal visa offers annually for under-30s - dubbed as "good for both Indian students and British students who want to go back and forth".

On the new scheme, Labour's Indian-origin MP Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi questioned the move against the backdrop of "dog whistle" anti-immigrant rhetoric from Home Secretary Suella Braverman's "incendiary remarks against international students that so incensed people in India".

The Labour Leader also attacked Braverman for putting the FTA deal with India in doubt after indicating that she would not support it, with reference to her controversial remarks on Indians being the largest group of visa overstayers.

"The Home Secretary is rightly focused - there is nothing 'dog whistle' about it - on clamping down on illegal migration, which the British people rightly expect and demand, and it is something that she and this government will deliver," Rishi Sunak said in defence of his Cabinet minister.

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Just when Rishi thought things were dying down a bit....

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British Home Secretary Suella Braverman is said to be on a collision course with the country's education department over plans to cut the period of stay allowed for overseas students under a post-study visa route, according to a UK media report on Wednesday.

The new Graduate Visa route, which allows foreign graduates - including Indians - the chance to stay on to job hunt and gain work experience for up to two years without the requirement of a specific job offer, is expected to be cut under Braverman's proposed review.

According to 'The Times', the Indian-origin home secretary has drawn up a plan to "reform" the Graduate Visa route requiring students to obtain a work visa by getting a skilled job or leave the UK after six months. The newspaper refers to leaked advice to say that the UK Department for Education (DfE) is attempting to block the changes as they fear it would harm the UK's attractiveness to international students.

A government source who backs Braverman's plan said the Graduate Visa was being increasingly used by students on short courses at "less respectable universities".

"It's being used as a backdoor immigration route," the newspaper quoted the source as saying.

The DfE, however, argues that the two-year Graduate Visa, often referred to as the UK's post-study offer, was aligned with most of Britain's main competitors, with only the US offering a one-year visa.

According to latest statistics by the Office for National Statistics (ONS), Indians overtook Chinese as the largest cohort of foreign students last year and the new Graduate Visa route, introduced in July 2021, was dominated by Indians - accounting for 41 per cent of the visas granted.

Braverman's proposal is reportedly among several drawn up after Prime Minister Rishi Sunak asked the Home Office and the DfE to submit proposals for reducing the number of foreign students coming to the UK. Figures published last week showed there were 680,000 foreign students in the UK. The government's 2019 Higher Education Strategy included a target of 600,000 students by 2030, which was met last year itself.

Another proposal being considered would reportedly allow foreign students to bring dependent family members with them only if they were on postgraduate research-based courses such as a PhD, or postgraduate courses that were at least two years' long.

The UK Home Office refused to comment on the leak, but a government spokesperson said: "Our points-based system is designed to be flexible according to the UK's needs, including attracting top-class talent from across the world to contribute to the UK's excellent academic reputation and to help keep our universities competitive on the world stage.

NDTV

 

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A multibillion-pound free-trade deal with India is under threat from a row over the UK’s demands for new curbs on the production of cheap generic drugs.

Indian negotiators have rejected Britain’s demand that patents on drugs should be extended before cheaper copies can be produced as a means to protect pharmaceutical giants’ businesses from generic competitors.

It is another dispute delaying the deal ahead of Rishi Sunak’s trip to India next month for talks with the country’s prime minister, Narendra Modi. Kemi Badenoch, the trade secretary, is also in India this week in an attempt to give political impetus to the discussions.

 

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A multibillion-pound free-trade deal with India is under threat from a row over the UK’s demands for new curbs on the production of cheap generic drugs.

Indian negotiators have rejected Britain’s demand that patents on drugs should be extended before cheaper copies can be produced as a means to protect pharmaceutical giants’ businesses from generic competitors.

It is another dispute delaying the deal ahead of Rishi Sunak’s trip to India next month for talks with the country’s prime minister, Narendra Modi. Kemi Badenoch, the trade secretary, is also in India this week in an attempt to give political impetus to the discussions.

Is the UK that desperate now to strike a deal with India? They should walk away or are we in a state now where the UK economy needs India more than the other way around?

 

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Indian visa grants in CHARTS as PM rules out relaxing system further for a trade deal.

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has flown to New Delhi with a dual purpose: to attend Friday's G20 summit, and to meet with his Indian counterpart Narendra Modi to finalise what could be the UK's most lucrative post-Brexit trade deal yet.

In the hopes of doubling the current £36billion-worth of commercial ties between the two countries, both leaders are keen to reach an agreement before they face re-election next year.

A conclusion does not appear forthcoming, however, amid friction over potential visa-rule relaxations in return for the signing of a Free Trade Agreement (FTA).

Net immigration - the number of people who settled in the UK minus those who left - surpassed half a million for the first time on record last year.

In the 12 months to June 2023, entry visa issuances soared 58 per cent, with people from India in first place.

Then-Prime Minister Boris Johnson launched trade talks all the way back in January 2022, but his initial October deadline was dropped when he left Number 10.

MSN

 

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I can see for myself that in London the amount of Indian people (particularly young Indian men) appears to have significantly increased.

The UK made the biggest own goal with Brexit. Nothing changed about immigration except the colour of people immigrating.