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Umar Amin's recent aggression and stroke play

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Of late every time i have seen this guy bat, he looks much more confident and to be honest some of his stroke play is just pleasing to the eye. He should definitely be given a go in our ODI and T-20 teams for the time being. If anything he is definitely a better option than Shan Masood and can be given a go as test opener.
 
Da_Future_Knick said:
Deserves a go in all three formats. Once in a generation type of player
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Given his international performances to date, he's perhaps once in a generation in terms of mental fragility.

He deserves a go based on merit but that hyperbole is ridiculous.
 
Opening has really solved his batting problems sort of what happened to Sharma..sadly our opening slot is full with Azhar to come and Imam playong v well.

So a NO in odis but surely in T20I
 
HuzaifaE said:
Given his international performances to date, he's perhaps once in a generation in terms of mental fragility.

He deserves a go based on merit but that hyperbole is ridiculous.
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He’s technically the best batsman in Pakistan. His only downfall was his lack of confidence which was a result of 13 ODIS over a span of 5 years.

With the gain in confidence and becoming mentally stronger, NOTHING can stop him now.
 
Once in a life time talent, not everybody has an eye for talent that's why you see a lot whiners here when his name is mentioned.

Now that his foot is through the door he will go far.
 
CLH should be back in T20 and ODI team and if performs, in test too. There is no better batsman than him ( after Babar and Azhar , ODI and test respectively) in Pakistan ATM.
 
Pakistan has LOTS AND LOTS OF once in a life time players.... Surely in my little life of 30 years, I have seen hell lot of once in a life time Pakistani players.
 
moghul said:
CLH should be back in T20 and ODI team and if performs, in test too. There is no better batsman than him ( after Babar and Azhar , ODI and test respectively) in Pakistan ATM.
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Haris is 10x the batsman Amin will ever be.
 
Deserves a go but if we give him a run of 10 games in LOIs (T20), I won't be surprised if in 6 of those he'll be out in single digits while the remaining 4 innings he'll most probably score a couple of 50s and two cute 40 odds all at a SR less than run a ball.

That said we should at least give him a go for these 10 game & be done with it - The most mentally fragile player I've ever seen come out of a Pakistani dressing room, (Yes!! that same dressing room includes players like Shafiq and Rahat as well)..
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
Deserves a go but if we give him a run of 10 games in LOIs (T20), I won't be surprised if in 6 of those he'll be out in single digits while the remaining 4 innings he'll most probably score a couple of 50s and two cute 40 odds all at a SR less than run a ball.

That said we should at least give him a go for these 10 game & be done with it - The most mentally fragile player I've ever seen come out of a Pakistani dressing room, (Yes!! that same dressing room includes players like Shafiq and Rahat as well)..
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Perhaps if he is so mentally weak, he should see a sports psychologist like Shezzy is doing :)
 
Every player is once in a lifetime player, because they become a player once in their lifetime, except for maybe Afridi who retired at least 10 times before taking it back, making him once in 1/10 lifetime player.
 
He's a bit like Umar Gul in terms of rhythm. When he is confident, he looks very elegant, and has an amazing range of strokes. But when he is out of touch or form, he bats like a tailender. Hopefully he would have toughened up by now after years in domestic.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
He's a bit like Umar Gul in terms of rhythm. When he is confident, he looks very elegant, and has an amazing range of strokes. But when he is out of touch or form, he bats like a tailender. Hopefully he would have toughened up by now after years in domestic.
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That's unfortunately the problem with all the Umars that have played for Pakistan.
 
Opening in tests is where I want him. Him and Azhar would make a good combo. Plus Amin’s medium pace will come in handy in our foreign tests
 
Once in a lifetime :))


PP hype machine at work again. Let him atleast perform before giving him such titles.
 
I read it earlier somewhere on this forum mentioning that we invested in the wrong 'Umar'. I believe this is very much true. Amin, Shahzad, Umar Akmal and Amir were all part of the same U19 team which I believed to be a thoroughly talented team. This team although did not win the U19 WC (India won under Virat) but I felt it gave me enough reason to assess that Amin was superior than Shahzad and Akmal and should be long term investment. However, the bright start Shahzad and Akmal had got everyone believing that those two are the miracle kids and unfortunately for Amin he had the exact opposite success early on.

Having said that when a talent or a player is identified so early in his career like Amin or currently Shinwari, Shadab, etc then these sort of talented kids should not be thrown into domestics to rot, instead they should be worked closely with coaches and in return have a better prospect for furture.

Unfortunately this was not the case under Misbah's tenure. Misbah has my respect for all that he has done for Pakistan cricket on and off the field but one aspect where he thoroughly lacked intuition was backing young players. He never felt confident in them and never backed them maybe as a youngster himself he got the stick and thought that all youngsters should go through the same route he had. Whatever the case if in Misbah's era we backed a player like Amin we would genuinely have had a good prospect on hand.

Overall, I was never a critique of Amin in terms of his strokeplay or abilities. All Amin needed early on in his career was an iota of luck which he never had. Got a start to his career in gloomiest of UK conditions against Anderson and Broad brought his test career to a 7 year and running halt. Got strange dismissals under his belt during his brief international career, eg telescope caught behind, runout while changing sides, etc. All this signs of this lad never had slight bit of luck on his side. But I'm happy for him now as he has now consistently put runs on board over all formats to get a nod from even his critics. Finally, I wish him all the best and hope he makes it count in internationals and make up for the lost time by scoring runs.
 
goodness me :broad the hype we create is unbelievable. Couldn't deliver on first chance wouldn't deliver on second or third.. try it you 'll know...
 
Da_Future_Knick said:
Deserves a go in all three formats. Once in a generation type of player
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This is absurd. He is just decent enough for Pakistani standards which itself is quite low in batting and making him sound like 'once in a generation type' is just an example of hyper hyping a product which will always come back to bite you.
 
Da_Future_Knick said:
Deserves a go in all three formats. Once in a generation type of player
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lol... I can't believe someone said this with a straight face. Come on.

He is worth giving a shot but that is an absurd statement. Nothing about his overall domestic track record suggest he is elite or anything. He may be better than Shehzad/Azhar etc.. in LOI but that's not exactly that impressive.
 
You don't realize the making of a legend, until he has already retired. Keep that in mind.
 
Syed1 said:
Once in a lifetime :))


PP hype machine at work again. Let him atleast perform before giving him such titles.
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Why did you change your avatar?! On my first glance I though you were a different person.
 
He definitely deserves a chance. Can play through the offside and onside versus pace and spin. Also a good fielder and is an opition with the ball. Only thing that worries me is mental game. If he gets a run of games and fails that could be the end of him.
 
Another good innings today, want him to have another chance opening in ODIs.
 
Bay Garrett said:
Yeh thora zeda ho gya kaka. Let him perform consistently in T20s first before you call him a once in a generation type player...
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You think he would do worse than 'senior' Hafeez in ODIs? At least he can bowl as well..:hafeez
 
Square Drive said:
Imam? Or Imran Butt?

Or even Shehzad for Tests solely (last option).

Would keep Amin to LOIs.
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Shezhad needs to get his mind sorted. I have been supportive of him in tests but he has become increasingly timid which is the same reason I don’t want Sami right now. You can’t have a top three that always bats at 2 an over.

Our next tests are all in foreign conditions, it’s wrong to throw in a youngster

Amin is in the form of his life and has been on plenty of A tours. He will know this will arguably be his last chance. We all righty mock his CLH status but his technique is one of the better ones in Pakistan.

For the immediate future he his is the best option imo
 
Hopefully Sarfraz I will only play friends and seniors Ahmed makes him open instead of Shafiq in PSL.
 
Square Drive said:
Imam? Or Imran Butt?

Or even Shehzad for Tests solely (last option).

Would keep Amin to LOIs.
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Imran Butt is a decent test option, he's more of a stroke maker than Sami and isn't as much of a dud against spin. A shame that he hasn't been able to truly kick his FC on.
 
Hamza_ said:
Hopefully Sarfraz I will only play friends and seniors Ahmed makes him open instead of Shafiq in PSL.
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No one can ignore Amin’s runs of late. He will play I’m sure but Technique will find a way in the 11 as well
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
Shezhad needs to get his mind sorted. I have been supportive of him in tests but he has become increasingly timid which is the same reason I don’t want Sami right now. You can’t have a top three that always bats at 2 an over.

Our next tests are all in foreign conditions, it’s wrong to throw in a youngster

Amin is in the form of his life and has been on plenty of A tours. He will know this will arguably be his last chance. We all righty mock his CLH status but his technique is one of the better ones in Pakistan.

For the immediate future he his is the best option imo
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It's never been a question of technique or ability with Amin, the guy have zero guts. And I'm not convinced he's improved in that regard, up until he shows that he's a grown a spine he shouldn't be anywhere near the test team.
 
Ellipsism said:
It's never been a question of technique or ability with Amin, the guy have zero guts. And I'm not convinced he's improved in that regard, up until he shows that he's a grown a spine he shouldn't be anywhere near the test team.
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Which is why he needs another chance to show he’s grown a spine
 
Ellipsism said:
It's never been a question of technique or ability with Amin, the guy have zero guts. And I'm not convinced he's improved in that regard, up until he shows that he's a grown a spine he shouldn't be anywhere near the test team.
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Well how is he going to show it ?

We can’t do any worse than what we have now
 
This thread is about his recent form and aggression, but still they connect his previous failures and not acknowledging his form as an opener and no.3 (top order batsman).. Looks like he clearly worked on his mental side of the game and purchased the modern day batting.

Scored loads of runs across all formats since the pak one day cup last year. In the past, and in one of his interviews he said he gave up the opening slot for some juniors during an under-19 tour to Australia and the guy who took from him was shehzad i think. And also again in one of the interviews he said he needs to accomodate international openers in Jamshed, Butt and Kamran at NBP or PIA so gave up opening and played in the middle order.

Now he is back to his opening spot which he should have done long ago.. He should continue to open in all formats in the domestics first and he will surely find his feet in internationals across all formats hopefully.
 
Ellipsism said:
Imran Butt is a decent test option, he's more of a stroke maker than Sami and isn't as much of a dud against spin. A shame that he hasn't been able to truly kick his FC on.
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You always come up with names of players comparatively weaker in technique, runs scored , avg etc considering who want to compare from the post.

Why is that?

Compared to Imran Butt. Shan , Sami, Amin and Shehzad are better openers AFAIK.

Wasnt that u the one who said Hasan ali will do nothing with his height or is it Junaids.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
You always come up with names of players comparatively weaker in technique, runs scored , avg etc considering who want to compare from the post.

Why is that?

Compared to Imran Butt. Shan , Sami, Amin and Shehzad are better openers AFAIK.

Wasnt that u the one who said Hasan ali will do nothing with his height or is it Junaids.
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I was one of the few that backed Hasan Ali from day one, so don't know what you're on about.

You've failed to provide me with any reasons not to back Imran, and you speak as I'm the only one that backs him. There are actually a couple on here, namely Chief and Mamoon.

Name me one of these supposed players that I back that are comparatively weaker than a bunch of TTF.
 
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Bay Garrett said:
Yeh thora zeda ho gya kaka. Let him perform consistently in T20s first before you call him a once in a generation type player...
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Thora nai kafi zyada ho gya hay. He needs to stop giving soft catches at 30s-40s first. Bazu pura ghumana chahiye.
 
Umar Amin is a must in the ODI squad

What is your opinion on UmAr Amin
 
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Nope. He has played before and just isn't good enough. Pakistan have a settled ODI side and some really good players, a lot better than Amin, making it into the squad.
 
unlike mediocre never beens like Shan Masood and Shehzad he has never made one meaningful contribution arguably the biggest ttf in the country.
 
Let’s see what he can do against the Zimbos (if he is selected). The guy hasn’t been given a consistent run yet for us to write him off.
 
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