Umesh Yadav vs Wahab Riaz

[Bhaijaan]

Wahab is leagues above Yadav. The spell that he bowled in WC qc was one for the ages. Umesh can never do that even in his dreams. Let's not get carried away by home performances Yadav is still a nobody in cricket while Wahab Riaz is a brand.

 

[Mean&Green]

Wahab is leagues above Yadav. The spell that he bowled in WC qc was one for the ages. Umesh can never do that even in his dreams. Let's not get carried away by home performances Yadav is still a nobody in cricket while Wahab Riaz is a brand.

He lived off of that trash spell for way too long it didn’t even win us the game wahab is a nobody as well if so is umesh Yadav. But the best thing about umesh is he doesn’t bowl no balls and is actually still playing test cricket. Umesh Yadav over wahab spray gun riaz any day.

 

[AMSS]

If Umesh stays the course, and manages to play another 15 tests, he could end up close to 200 test wickets at 27-28. With that record, there'd only be 3-4 bowlers in the entire bowling history of Pakistan better than Umesh.

So once again I ask, humbly of course, Wahab who?

 

[AMSS]

So much bandwidth expended over two journeymen cricketers. Truly a passionate forum.

I pray Umesh finds it in his heart to forgive me for this careless post.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Wahab is leagues above Yadav. The spell that he bowled in WC qc was one for the ages. Umesh can never do that even in his dreams. Let's not get carried away by home performances Yadav is still a nobody in cricket while Wahab Riaz is a brand.

Bigger Brand than Umar Akmal?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I remember [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] talking about the intellectual gap between Indian and Pakistani cricketers and I believe this is an example of that. Umesh is probably our dumbest cricketer and he is still smarter than Pakistani bowlers on average . Sums it up imo.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

I remember [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] talking about the intellectual gap between Indian and Pakistani cricketers and I believe this is an example of that. Umesh is probably our dumbest cricketer and he is still smarter than Pakistani bowlers on average . Sums it up imo.

He is'nt smarter than Pakistani bowlers.
He is more fit and as he plays in just one format the workload has also decreased.
We saw what he did in australia,he just bowls fast he is never consistent even in his good spells theres no consistency.
He should not be used in away conditions.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Bigger Brand than Umar Akmal?

Umar Akmal doesn't have a brand value now.

Wahab at his peak was a big brand.

Umesh has never been a brand. Even now he won't get to play abroad or in any LOI format

 

[Bhaijaan]

I remember [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] talking about the intellectual gap between Indian and Pakistani cricketers and I believe this is an example of that. Umesh is probably our dumbest cricketer and he is still smarter than Pakistani bowlers on average . Sums it up imo.

Umesh is dumb. Have you forgotten how he have away so many LOIs with his atrocious death bowling.

 

[Hitman]

lol that is only your ego speaking, the real order is:

Bumrah
Al amin
Shami
Shaheen
Abu Jayed

You really need some help if you really believe what you just said.

 

[Hyperion66]

He is'nt smarter than Pakistani bowlers.
He is more fit and as he plays in just one format the workload has also decreased.
We saw what he did in australia,he just bowls fast he is never consistent even in his good spells theres no consistency.
He should not be used in away conditions.

Don't hold his performance in Aus against him, some of the best bowlers in the world struggled to hit the right length there. He has improved immensely in the last few years. Head and shoulders above Wahab, hell better than all current Pak bowlers except perhaps Abbas in certain conditions.

 

[Shoaib88]

Current Asian order

Bumrah
Shami
Ishant
Bhuvi
Yadav
.
.
Shaheen
Abbas
Naseem

Daylight

Put names of random BD trundlers in whichever order you may like.

If Abu Jayed who bowled upto 142kms in test match against india in India is a trundler then Abbas is an underarm spinner.

 

[Relic]

If Abu Jayed who bowled upto 142kms in test match against india in India is a trundler then Abbas is an underarm spinner.

An occasional 140 ball doesn't make you a fast bowler lol.
Even Shaheen Afridi's bowled over 140 he's even crossed 145 too but he's still considered a trundler

 

[Shoaib88]

An occasional 140 ball doesn't make you a fast bowler lol.
Even Shaheen Afridi's bowled over 140 he's even crossed 145 too but he's still considered a trundler

That means Ishant Sharma must be tallest trundler in cricket ever

 

[Relic]

That means Ishant Sharma must be tallest trundler in cricket ever

Shaheen's taller

 

[Hasan123]

Yadav is a better bowler than Wahab.

 

[Hyperion66]

If Abu Jayed who bowled upto 142kms in test match against india in India is a trundler then Abbas is an underarm spinner.

Do you have a source for that? Sorry not possible to watch an entire test match so I may have missed that bit. After seeing your other posts it is quite hard for me to take you seriously, so have to ask for proof.

 

[Mueez]

Nah, dude. Are you guys serious?

Wahab is way better than Yadav.

He was clutch in the recently concluded WC.

 

[Hyperion66]

An occasional 140 ball doesn't make you a fast bowler lol.
Even Shaheen Afridi's bowled over 140 he's even crossed 145 too but he's still considered a trundler

Neither Shaheen nor Ishant is a trundler, ball released from great height (9-10 feet for Shaheen and Ishant) creates awkward bounce from good length and taller bowlers clocking the same speed on the gun are actually faster than shorter bowlers through the air. For example Shaheen's 134-136 Kph delivery is actually as quick as Hasan's 140-142 when it meets the bat.

 

[KingT]

lol that is only your ego speaking, the real order is:

Bumrah
Al amin
Shami
Shaheen
Abu Jayed

Everyone's the GOAT until the mighty Al-Amin with his 130kmph darters comes to the party

 

[tyron_woodley]

Nah, dude. Are you guys serious?

Wahab is way better than Yadav.

He was clutch in the recently concluded WC.

no. not in tests. in odi maybe.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Do you have a source for that? Sorry not possible to watch an entire test match so I may have missed that bit. After seeing your other posts it is quite hard for me to take you seriously, so have to ask for proof.

I think the tall bowler Eshan or something. He clocked 143k for sure.

 

[Shoaib88]

Do you have a source for that? Sorry not possible to watch an entire test match so I may have missed that bit. After seeing your other posts it is quite hard for me to take you seriously, so have to ask for proof.

Just visit the Bangladesh vs India 2nd match commentary thread, you will even see posters talking about that delivery

 

[Shoaib88]

An occasional 140 ball doesn't make you a fast bowler lol.
Even Shaheen Afridi's bowled over 140 he's even crossed 145 too but he's still considered a trundler

I can bet you Mohammad Abbas on multiple steroids won't be able to reach 142kms, ever.

 

[Napa]

Umesh Yadav is now the 21st ranked bowler in Test cricket. He probably has about 3 to 4 years left, I hope he keeps improving.

Other Asian bowlers in the top 30 (6 of the 7 top Asian bowlers are Indian leading to India's #1 Test ranking):

6 Bumrah
11 Ashwin
12 Shami
15 Abbas
17 Jadeja
18 Ishant
22 Yasir
24 Taijul
25 Mehdi
28 Lakmal
30 Dilruwan

https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/player-rankings/test/bowling

 

[Sidilicious]

Umesh Yadav is now the 21st ranked bowler in Test cricket. He probably has about 3 to 4 years left, I hope he keeps improving.

Other Asian bowlers in the top 30 (6 of the 7 top Asian bowlers are Indian leading to India's #1 Test ranking):

6 Bumrah
11 Ashwin
12 Shami
15 Abbas
17 Jadeja
18 Ishant
22 Yasir
24 Taijul
25 Mehdi
28 Lakmal
30 Dilruwan

https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/player-rankings/test/bowling

6 of our bowlers in top 21. Incredible!!

This shows that we certainly rotate our bowlers and each of them do an excellent job. We won't have players getting to the top 3 positions very often any longer, but hopefully we have these players remain consistently in top 30. It will translate to India being a top team.

 

[sharmaji]

Both are inconsistent and wayward, but both can be lethal when in flow. On any given day, one doesn't know which Umesh and Wahab will show up, and either of them can be better.

 

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[Ab Fan]

Umesh Yadav has win this battle.

 

[Ab Fan]

won*

 

[SamNJ]

Pakistan kept discarding Gul, Junaid, Amir, Wahab for finding next Wasim/Waqar and now they are left with Mohammad Ali and Faheem Ashraf.

 

[giri26]

Umesh Yadav in his last 18 Tests has 65 wickets at an average of 21.49 and a SR of 39.2. He would be a regular in most of the teams around the world. Those 18 Tests were spread across 5 years. Shows that he has been consistent even though he hasn't got that many chances.

 

[pratiktc]

Pak would have preferred to have either if not both for Eng Test series over the likes of Mohammed Ali, Faheem, Wasim jr etc

 

[Mamoon]

Yadav is far better than all Pakistani fast bowlers except Shaheen.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Umesh Yadav in his last 18 Tests has 65 wickets at an average of 21.49 and a SR of 39.2. He would be a regular in most of the teams around the world. Those 18 Tests were spread across 5 years. Shows that he has been consistent even though he hasn't got that many chances.

Same will happen to Kuldeep Yadav.

The Indian team is now a coterie. They will pick their favorites till they retire and waste the peak years of younger better performers.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Same will happen to Kuldeep Yadav.

The Indian team is now a coterie. They will pick their favorites till they retire and waste the peak years of younger better performers.

Because he is impactless outside Asia. Umesh was averaging in mid 30s in his younger days. Calm down Joshila bhai!

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

In asian conditions he is gold standard.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Umesh Yadav is a workhorse and unlucky that he didn't play many tests due to stupid selection. Wahab is known for only two spells. One against India in Mohali and another one against Australia in a World Cup. Pakistan lost both those matches.

 

[Ashmal]

Umesh Yadav in his last 18 Tests has 65 wickets at an average of 21.49 and a SR of 39.2. He would be a regular in most of the teams around the world. Those 18 Tests were spread across 5 years. Shows that he has been consistent even though he hasn't got that many chances.

He's good in Asian conditions where the ball reverses appreciably.

The reason he doesn't play more is due to his struggle outside Asia.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Because he is impactless outside Asia. Umesh was averaging in mid 30s in his younger days. Calm down Joshila bhai!

He didn't get to play much in his younger days. Praveen Kumar BK Vinay Kumar types were preferred over him.

 

[RyanRyan10]

He didn't get to play much in his younger days. Praveen Kumar BK Vinay Kumar types were preferred over him.

Umesh played 24 tests away and averaged 37.72, before turning 30, he played 15 tests.

Bhuvi has played just 10 tests away and averages 26. Has match winning performance in Eng, SA and WI

Praveen played 6 tests and averaged 25. How was he bad?

And you are putting these two in the same bracket as Vinay?

You need to do your homework Joshila bhai.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Umesh played 24 tests away and averaged 37.72, before turning 30, he played 15 tests.

Bhuvi has played just 10 tests away and averages 26. Has match winning performance in Eng, SA and WI

Praveen played 6 tests and averaged 25. How was he bad?

And you are putting these two in the same bracket as Vinay?

You need to do your homework Joshila bhai.

24 tests over 12 years.

Umesh made his debut in 2011. Unadkat was preferred in 2010 in SA over Umesh.

Umesh's away stats are skewed by the 2011 Aus series which was his first series outside India. Rest he has played 1 test each in SA and NZ. With team management playing Shardul Thakur

How many opportunities have Umesh got in England?

He is usually thrown in to play in India where the BKs Vinays Praveens Thakurs run away. And his performance has been great.

 

[RyanRyan10]

24 tests over 12 years.

Umesh made his debut in 2011. Unadkat was preferred in 2010 in SA over Umesh.

Umesh's away stats are skewed by the 2011 Aus series which was his first series outside India. Rest he has played 1 test each in SA and NZ. With team management playing Shardul Thakur

How many opportunities have Umesh got in England?

He is usually thrown in to play in India where the BKs Vinays Praveens Thakurs run away. And his performance has been great.

Another ignorant response.

Shardul Thakur has a match winning performance in Gabba, he also made important contribution in Oval test and also has a 7fer in SA.

You are doing mental gymnastics as you don't have stats to prove that Umesh was superior to any of those bowlers you are ridiculing. Umesh got more opportunities than others.

Pretty sure you would have hyped Aaron and Saini just because they can bowl phaast.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Another ignorant response.

Shardul Thakur has a match winning performance in Gabba, he also made important contribution in Oval test and also has a 7fer in SA.

You are doing mental gymnastics as you don't have stats to prove that Umesh was superior to any of those bowlers you are ridiculing. Umesh got more opportunities than others.

Pretty sure you would have hyped Aaron and Saini just because they can bowl phaast.

He already has and still does lol. He loves to make fun of Pakistani bowlers who try to bowl fast and Indian bowlers who concentrate on bowling line & length at the same time.

 

[Ab Fan]

It will be funny if Umesh Yadav reaches to 200 test wickets

Nevertheless, the present Indian generation has been smart with their use of pacers. They play 2 pacers + 3 spinners in Asia. Outside Asia, they play 4 pacers +1 spinner.

This means that in Asia, they can use only one of Bumrah, Shami or Siraj and use Umesh in case of injuries. Overseas, Shardul comes in and if there is an injury then Umesh can come in. There is Prasidh Krishna also who is tall bouncy hit the deck bowler and should do well in Australia and South Africa type conditions. Sadly, he hasn't debuted yet, going through an injury.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Another ignorant response.

Shardul Thakur has a match winning performance in Gabba, he also made important contribution in Oval test and also has a 7fer in SA.

You are doing mental gymnastics as you don't have stats to prove that Umesh was superior to any of those bowlers you are ridiculing. Umesh got more opportunities than others.

Pretty sure you would have hyped Aaron and Saini just because they can bowl phaast.

Why do you think Thakur somehow still manages to be in the test team, despite being a very avg player?

His flash in the pan performances with bat over 6 month period, with nothing either side of it.

What gymnastics? Umesh never got a continuous run and always came as a replacement.

How many chances did Saini get?

 

[RyanRyan10]

Why do you think Thakur somehow still manages to be in the test team, despite being a very avg player?

His flash in the pan performances with bat over 6 month period, with nothing either side of it.

What gymnastics? Umesh never got a continuous run and always came as a replacement.

How many chances did Saini get?

Thakur has played just 8 tests and already created more memorable moments than Umesh. His average is still under 25.

Saini & Thakur were both part of Aus tour and Saini was given the first preference but Saini flopped badly and then pulled off his hamstring leaving India a bowler short. Thakur grabbed his opportunity and helped India secure their greatest win in test cricket. He carried it on with his wonderful performance in Eng & SA. Now tell me where has he failed? If you don't have stats to prove it then don't tag me.

Saini has still being getting chances for India A, even after his utter flop show in Aus and leaving India a bowler short. He has failed there too and got outbowled by likes of Mukesh Kumar, another domestic performer. (Go and check scorecards, I am sure you wouldn't have followed those marches. Yet he was called for BD test but failed the fitness test. To aise hi free ka chance de de ek 30+ ko who has been a total failure and also got poor fitness?

 

[RyanRyan10]

He already has and still does lol. He loves to make fun of Pakistani bowlers who try to bowl fast and Indian bowlers who concentrate on bowling line & length at the same time.

He believes that Saini is not getting chances even though he gets enough opportunities for the A team. He fails there yet gets called for the national side then fails fitness test. What else can be done to back this guy?

 

[Ab Fan]

1. Bumrah
2. Siraj
3. Shami
4. Umesh
5. Prasidh
6. Tyagi
7. Umran

These 7 are the best fast bowling sensation we have, all of them can hit 140 or more consistently. Tyagi can clock 145 consistently and Umran can clock 150.

 

[pratiktc]

Umesh Yadav, Shannon Gabriel and Wahab Riaz are all bowlers who didn't have much varied skillsets or brains other than natural physical attributes.
They have shown their more skilled colleagues the virtues of keeping things simple and working hard and some of the shifts they've put in over last decade on dead wickets are exemplary.

It is not easy being a third/fourth wheel to more skilled and favoured colleagues. The number of support pacers that Eng have tried and discarded over last 14 yrs of the Broad- Anderson duopoly is testament to that. Yadav has maintained his pace and intensity over 12 yrs and has a test avg of 30-31 which is no mean feat.