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Umesh Yadav vs Wahab Riaz

Junaids is correct re Yadav and PAK D/E. I'd say M.Talha would make our D team and he is better then Yadav.
 
LethalSami said:
:facepalm:

only reason Yadav is ur 1st choice bowler is because all your other bowlers suck (BKumar > Yadav)

and we have 3-4 better bowlers than Wahab in the squad.

so all you're saying is that Yadav is "Andhon mein kana RAJA" :))
doesn't mean he's better than Wahab.....still a kana Raja :yk
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Who are the 3-4 better bowlers than Wahab?
 
rhony said:
He's better than Rahat, Irfan and Sohail
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You are judging Rahat on one dropped catch, not saying he is a good fielder but there is nothing to imply he is a bad one.

Irfan is not a "bad" fielder, his body just limits him.

Sohail Khan is a bad fielder, and also Sohail Tanvir who is probably the worst I have ever seen.
 
Some sour grapes here. Yadav had been good since he has cut down his pace and become consistent. But he's no where express as some Indians would like to claim. But he has become a good bowler. Wahab Riaz is ATG at some times and a farce at others. Typical Pakistani attitude. Pakistan should have moree players like Fawad Alam in the team who has a good work ethic, so it puts pressure on others to be consistent. That's why Pakistan never became thye best side of the world for a extended period of time in any form of game. Even with Wasim and Waqar in what they lacked was a consistent bowler who takes few wickets every match without running through sides. Somebody like Vaas or Kapil Dev would made Pakistani team of 90s in to a champion bowling unit, more than a Akthar. Even in batting they kept dropping steady playhers like Asim Kamal, Misbah or Fawad Alam for flashy batsmen.

What Pakistan needs is two consistent bowlers and two consistent batsmen. Never mind if they average 30-35 with ball and 40 with bat. If they are not hot and cold, and fighters, rest of the flashy guys will play around them.

At this moment, Pakistan will love a steady Yadav over a hot and cold Wahab, although many would not like to admit it. India would like it in reverse.
 
Orbis said:
You are judging Rahat on one dropped catch, not saying he is a good fielder but there is nothing to imply he is a bad one.

Irfan is not a "bad" fielder, his body just limits him.

Sohail Khan is a bad fielder, and also Sohail Tanvir who is probably the worst I have ever seen.
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Rahat is a bad fielder. He's been for a while. It doesn't matter if Irfan's body limits him. He's a liability on the field.
 
Prior to the world cup neither country cared about either cricketer, Wahab Riaz had two very poor years prior to the WC and Umesh Yadav in the test series and tri series was abysmal however both stepped up at the WC. Umesh had the advantage of India's batting scoring big in every game which meant a lot of scoreboard pressure, in the SF where there was no scoreboard pressure Yadav went for 8 an over and picked up the last couple of wickets while being attacked but he was very good in the WC regardless. We'll see how these two perform when the ball isn't nipping off the surface as it was in Australia and the extra couple of inches of bounce isn't there then a comparison can be made.
 
Yadav's innings figures in this year's SCG Test were:

27-5-137-1
3-0-45-0

I don't care how much pace or swing he has. Those are the figures of a bowler who even in his fourth year of Test cricket cannot bowl the right length.

Pakistan D is too generous - especially as I'd forgotten Talha. Yadav would get into Pakistan E.
 
Junaids said:
Yadav's innings figures in this year's SCG Test were:

27-5-137-1
3-0-45-0

I don't care how much pace or swing he has. Those are the figures of a bowler who even in his fourth year of Test cricket cannot bowl the right length.

Pakistan D is too generous - especially as I'd forgotten Talha. Yadav would get into Pakistan E.
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Talha lol, bro is talhe ki to chabi kb ki kho gyi, I still remember the hype around a guy called fazl e akbar and boy was he smashed around,riaz is good but to say yadav isn't fit to tie his shoe and won't get into d e side is height of arrogance.
 
Talking about hype, i still remember the hype around Tinu Yohannan, unfortunately the guy failed to even take off.Then there was IKP, some saw an Akram in him and others thought he could be our Dev, but he just vanished in thin air.Then there was Sreesanth, he indeed had the talent but lacked brains, then came Ishant, he was tipped to be our future great, unfortunately he's still an enigma.There were others in Balaji,Nehra and Munaf too who failed to live upto expectations.The only guys who stood out have been the great Sreenath and Zak..sigh!
 
Vayuu said:
Talha lol, bro is talhe ki to chabi kb ki kho gyi, I still remember the hype around a guy called fazl e akbar and boy was he smashed around,riaz is good but to say yadav isn't fit to tie his shoe and won't get into d e side is height of arrogance.
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I'm really sorry, but I can't speak any Asian languages so I don't understand most of your post.

I've never watched a Test bowler bowl a 3-0-45-0 spell before.

This isn't T20: you can pick your own line and length. But Yadav was incapable: he genuinely, seriously has gone backwards as a Test bowler since he first toured Australia.

There would be at least 200 better quick bowlers in Australia alone.
 
Junaids said:
Yadav's innings figures in this year's SCG Test were:

27-5-137-1
3-0-45-0

I don't care how much pace or swing he has. Those are the figures of a bowler who even in his fourth year of Test cricket cannot bowl the right length.

Pakistan D is too generous - especially as I'd forgotten Talha. Yadav would get into Pakistan E.
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You also think that Sachin didnt get a County contract post 1994 because he was not good enough.

You also said that Sachins agents hawked him for a county contract to get him money but didnt get any.

Your views on Indian cricket is high on bias and low on credibility.
 
Cricketjoshila, I stand by all those comments.

I also condemned a derogatory thread about Tendulkar last week and my respect for Anarnath, Gavaskar, Kapil Dev, Dravid, Laxman, Bedi, Prasanna and my adoration of Farokh Engineer are in record.
 
Junaids said:
I'm really sorry, but I can't speak any Asian languages so I don't understand most of your post.

I've never watched a Test bowler bowl a 3-0-45-0 spell before.

This isn't T20: you can pick your own line and length. But Yadav was incapable: he genuinely, seriously has gone backwards as a Test bowler since he first toured Australia.

There would be at least 200 better quick bowlers in Australia alone.
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Bro what is said that key(chabi )of this lock (talha )is lost and here we are talking about his odi performance, u r also forgetting ,that Australia is not easy tour also , to say that there are 200 bowlers better than him Is too much .
 
Vayuu, I'm as disappointed by Yadav's failure to develop as a Test bowler too. I would have been thrilled to see Wahab-style spells during the Test series.

But seriously, at least 200 - maybe 2000 - club and state quick bowlers across Australia could have bowled better than 3-0-45-0 in the SCG Test.

Yadav is quicker, but at the end of his second long Test tour to Australia still could not bowl the right Test line or especially length.

3-0-45-0.

In a Test!!!!!!!!
 
Junaids said:
I'm really sorry, but I can't speak any Asian languages so I don't understand most of your post.

I've never watched a Test bowler bowl a 3-0-45-0 spell before.

This isn't T20: you can pick your own line and length. But Yadav was incapable: he genuinely, seriously has gone backwards as a Test bowler since he first toured Australia.

There would be at least 200 better quick bowlers in Australia alone.
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You claimed that you never watched a test bowler going for 3-0-45-0. Think again. Perhaps you have missed One of the spell of your beloved Mitchel Johnson in MCG test in that same series. Let me quote it from cricinfo in case you have missed it.

Johnson continues

98.1
Johnson to Kohli, FOUR, picks the short ball early and flat-bats this past a diving square-leg fielder to bring up the 200 of the stand. Mr Burns got a touch on that ball as he dived to his left
98.2
Johnson to Kohli, FOUR, this is to the right of Mr Burns at square leg! The short balls are lacking zing and are being picked away for runs. This was played in the air, but he was in much better control
98.3
Johnson to Kohli, FOUR, another short ball, this one is slapped away through midwicket for his third consecutive boundary. Fantastic pull shot
98.4
Johnson to Kohli, no run, back of length delivery outside off, the batsman defends it to the off side
98.5
Johnson to Kohli, 3 runs, he comes forward and punches the length delivery through the off side, neatly picks up the gap. This is turning out to be a big over. Johnson goes past his century
98.6
Johnson to Rahane, no run, back of length on the body, Rahane pulls it to square leg

100.1
Johnson to Rahane, FOUR, whoa!! Where did that come from! Rahane does to Johnson what Smith has been doing to the India bowlers. Clears his front leg out and flat bats it over cow corner. Smashing hit
100.2
Johnson to Rahane, no run, tries to repeat the shot! But doesn't get the timing this time, places it straight to midwicket
100.3
Johnson to Rahane, no run, moves to the leg side and gets a fuller delivery on the pads, the batsman defends it calmly to the leg side
100.4
Johnson to Rahane, FOUR, moves to the leg side again and gets another fuller one, but this time, he creams it through mid-off. No follow through of the bat again, just sheer timing. It's like he is playing a T20
100.5
Johnson to Rahane, no run, gives himself room again and punches the length delivery comfortably to cover
Kohli tell Rahane that Johnson has also crossed his century

100.6
Johnson to Rahane, FOUR, he is taking Johnson apart! Moves to the leg side and flat-bats this through midwicket for another boundary. Rahane looking to break Johnson here
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So in the two over if johnson can go for whopping 27 runs, inspite of the fact that it was Australia who was commanding position by posting 500+ total in 1st innings, what is wrong with Yadav going for 45 runs in 3 overs.

Yadav is a much better bowler in India, atleast never got clobbered like that in India unlike Johnson(in that MCG match). Poor johnson even got clobbered in his own country.

I have nothing against Johnson, i give this example to clear your delusion. What happened to yadav, is also happened johnson and nothing to do with their bowling but with the pitches they had to bowl on.

Please give your views on this, otherwise i will believe you are trolling.
 
Johnson bowled two expensive overs but his innings figures were a (just) respectable 3-135 in 30.5 overs.

3-0-45-0 was all that Yadav could be entrusted to bowl in Australia's Second Innings at the SCG.

I'm on record as hating both those terrible flat decks which were served up to tempt India to return to Australia ASAP.

But still

3-0-45-0

Or

30.5-6-135-3

Are they that similar?
 
Junaids said:
Johnson bowled two expensive overs but his innings figures were a (just) respectable 3-135 in 30.5 overs.

3-0-45-0 was all that Yadav could be entrusted to bowl in Australia's Second Innings at the SCG.

I'm on record as hating both those terrible flat decks which were served up to tempt India to return to Australia ASAP.

But still

3-0-45-0

Or

30.5-6-135-3

Are they that similar?
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Let me tell you something When yadav got smashed by 45 runs, Australia had series in their bag, Australia had a lead with them, Australia was pushing for a win and had nothing to lose

When Kohli and Rahane took on Johnson, the series was in line, India was trailing, Australia already had posted 500+ runs, And that johnson was playing on his own country.

So are the situations are similar?

Which is pathetic now, going 27 in 2 overs or 45 in 3 overs.

Another thing - Umesh yadav average is 27 in India, despite being a spraygun. What is Johnson's average there? Do I have to mention?

Even johnson's average before the Ashes was around 32. That shows bowlers do get better with experience.

What is your opinion on this?
 
Enforcer said:
Let me tell you something When yadav got smashed by 45 runs, Australia had series in their bag, Australia had a lead with them, Australia was pushing for a win and had nothing to lose

When Kohli and Rahane took on Johnson, the series was in line, India was trailing, Australia already had posted 500+ runs, And that johnson was playing on his own country.

So are the situations are similar?

Which is pathetic now, going 27 in 2 overs or 45 in 3 overs.

Another thing - Umesh yadav average is 27 in India, despite being a spraygun. What is Johnson's average there? Do I have to mention?

Even johnson's average before the Ashes was around 32. That shows bowlers do get better with experience.

What is your opinion on this?
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Good point.

Yadav is nowhere as worse as Junaids is making him out to be.

Time will soon tell.
 
Junaids said:
Cricketjoshila, I stand by all those comments.

I also condemned a derogatory thread about Tendulkar last week and my respect for Anarnath, Gavaskar, Kapil Dev, Dravid, Laxman, Bedi, Prasanna and my adoration of Farokh Engineer are in record.
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Guys he has this opinion on SRT leave Yadav.
cricketjoshila said:
You also think that Sachin didnt get a County contract post 1994 because he was not good enough.

You also said that Sachins agents hawked him for a county contract to get him money but didnt get any.

Your views on Indian cricket is high on bias and low on credibility.
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Enforcer said:
Let me tell you something When yadav got smashed by 45 runs, Australia had series in their bag, Australia had a lead with them, Australia was pushing for a win and had nothing to lose

When Kohli and Rahane took on Johnson, the series was in line, India was trailing, Australia already had posted 500+ runs, And that johnson was playing on his own country.

So are the situations are similar?

Which is pathetic now, going 27 in 2 overs or 45 in 3 overs.

Another thing - Umesh yadav average is 27 in India, despite being a spraygun. What is Johnson's average there? Do I have to mention?

Even johnson's average before the Ashes was around 32. That shows bowlers do get better with experience.

What is your opinion on this?
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sensible-indian-fan said:
Good point.

Yadav is nowhere as worse as Junaids is making him out to be.

Time will soon tell.
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Yadav is good. Why else would so many Pakistanis slag him on the internet?
:)))
 
xerox said:
How many has Tendulkar scored in Pakistan ?

Also I took liberty to correct a grammatical mistake in your statement, pardon me if you find it wrong.
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Tendulkar avgs 42 vs Pakistan.There is no country where Tendulkar avgs less than 40.That too despite playing in 90s.Sanga played in 2000s still avgs less than 40 in 3 out of 7 top test playing nations.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Tendulkar avgs 42 vs Pakistan.There is no country where Tendulkar avgs less than 40.That too despite playing in 90s.Sanga played in 2000s still avgs less than 40 in 3 out of 7 top test playing nations.
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Tendulkar didn't play in Pakistan in the 90s. He played in 2004 and 2006 and wasn't really successful then despite getting batting friendly pitches. His struggles against Shoaib Akhtar are very well known.

In 1999, he was a bunny of Saqlain.
 
xerox said:
Tendulkar didn't play in Pakistan in the 90s. He played in 2004 and 2006 and wasn't really successful then despite getting batting friendly pitches. His struggles against Shoaib Akhtar are very well known.

In 1999, he was a bunny of Saqlain.
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Tendulkar played in Pakistan in 1989 and as 16yr old avgd 35 vs 2Ws IK and Qadir.

Akhtar was taken to cleaners by Tendulkar.Remember Centurion or Multan?

The first test Tendulkar played against Saqlain Tendulkar scored 127 before getting out.

What are you on about?Tendulkar avgs 40 or more in every country and thats a statistical truth.
 
indians will be happy how they divert this thread from comparison of two bowlers to their favorite batsmen anyway how many wicket taking deliveries bowled by yadav in WC or how many times he made the batsmen think or changing their strategies atleast on his bowling
 
Yadav is decent, but I rate Wahab more. Plenty of hyperboles in this thread though, and some truly absurd remarks.
 
Comparing these Indian bowlers who always fade away after a couple of good performances is a disgrace to Pakistani bowlers. If you just look at the ability, Pakistan is way ahead in bowling than many countries barring maybe only Australia.
 
Buffet said:
LOL, you are dealing with a massive Pakistani fan who trolls non-stop in PP and if it's genuine comments then imagine ....

Yadav won't get into BD team, club cricketer and so on.... What an insight here.

If anything, Yadav is a bowler with genuine potentials because not many young bowlers can get late swing with genuine pace. He should have played in all away test series but Indians don't know how to support genuine fast bowlers with essential tools to succeed in international cricket. He lacks control but has tools to do well in international cricket. If he can't get control then he will be useless but anyone with decent control with his ability is always going to trouble batsmen.
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Yes I was a little baffled when he was overlooked for the England tour despite recovering from injury. I have a feeling Kohli will give him more chances. I think Dhoni prefers more line-length bowlers like Mohit.
 
Abhilash93 said:
Yes I was a little baffled when he was overlooked for the England tour despite recovering from injury. I have a feeling Kohli will give him more chances. I think Dhoni prefers more line-length bowlers like Mohit.
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I think that this is where India's lack of a pace bowling heritage really undermines them.

An explosive fast bowler can survive in ODI or T20i even without control, just as Narine and Imran Tahir do.

But Test bowlers require control above all else. Pace or movement without mastery of line and length are useless attributes at Test level.

And Yadav was presumably overlooked for England for that reason.

And that's why in his 3 Tests in Australia in 2014-15 he took 11 wickets at an average of 49.81 each. The wickets were dead, but Harris, Johnson, Hazlewood and Starc averaged between 29 and 36 - against a better batting line-up - while Ishant averaged 48.22 in 3 Tests, Yadav averaged 49.81 in 3 Tests and Aaron averaged 72.40 in 2 Tests.

These are not international quality pace bowlers any more than Pakistan can claim to have international quality batsmen. They are just pacy club bowlers.
 
Junaids said:
I think that this is where India's lack of a pace bowling heritage really undermines them.

An explosive fast bowler can survive in ODI or T20i even without control, just as Narine and Imran Tahir do.

But Test bowlers require control above all else. Pace or movement without mastery of line and length are useless attributes at Test level.

And Yadav was presumably overlooked for England for that reason.

And that's why in his 3 Tests in Australia in 2014-15 he took 11 wickets at an average of 49.81 each. The wickets were dead, but Harris, Johnson, Hazlewood and Starc averaged between 29 and 36 - against a better batting line-up - while Ishant averaged 48.22 in 3 Tests, Yadav averaged 49.81 in 3 Tests and Aaron averaged 72.40 in 2 Tests.

These are not international quality pace bowlers any more than Pakistan can claim to have international quality batsmen. They are just pacy club bowlers.
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He averages 27 on 'flat' Indian tracks in Tests.
 
Abhilash93 said:
He averages 27 on 'flat' Indian tracks in Tests.
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He has only ever bowled 129.3 overs in India in 3.5 years because he never gets picked.

And those overs were against a weak NZ, West Indies and England.
 
Junaids said:
He has only ever bowled 129.3 overs in India in 3.5 years because he never gets picked.

And those overs were against a weak NZ, West Indies and England.
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England? Lol OK.

and why wasn't he picked for India despite doing well on those pitches?

Do check how many Tests did India play at home in the last 2-3 years when Yadav was fully fit.
 
Commander said:
Comparing these Indian bowlers who always fade away after a couple of good performances is a disgrace to Pakistani bowlers. If you just look at the ability, Pakistan is way ahead in bowling than many countries barring maybe only Australia.
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Aus, NZ, SA, Pak, Ind, WI, BD, SL in that order.
 
Pakistan is the best, there is no two ways about it. Whether people like it or not, Asif and Amir are our 1st strike bowlers, doesn't matter if they are playing or not, they haven't retired.

Now take out Steyn and Morkel from SA and they are garbage. NZ do have good pacers in Henry etc. so they and Australia have good bench strength. But Pakistan playing their 3rd string attack is on par with them, and that too bowling mainly on unfavourable pitches of UAE. If the pitches were reversed there would be daylight between Pakistan and the rest.
 
I think Lancer has a good point. India should drop Raina and brng in Unmukt as the latter has better looks. Pakistan should also drop harris or maqsood and pick Shezy as shezy is better looking.

Captaincy should also be gifted to better looking ones, Afridi should be given test captaincy and for India Bhuvi should be our test captain.
 
Wahab Riaz vs Umesh Yadav

Not much to separate these 2

Tests

Wahab
17 tests 48 wickets with 1 4wicket haul and 1 5 wicket haul.Average-35.16

Umesh
18 Tests 58 wickets with 3 4 wicket hauls and 1 5 wicket hauls.Average 34.24

ODI's
Wahab
69 ODI's 94 wickets with 4 4wicket hauls and 1 5 wicket haul.Average 31.42

Umesh
57 ODI's 79 wickets with 3 4wicket hauls and 0 5 wicket haul.Average 33.74

Now people bring up the enforcer debate and the Watson spell in the world cup but in the same world cup Umesh Yadav 3rd highest wicket taker behind Starc and Boult.Average of 17.29 and Riaz was at 5 with 16 wickets at 23.00
 
Both have ordinary stats .
Wahab is a better reverse swing bowler while umesh bowls the new ball better .
Both mediocre .
Australia series will be interesting.
 
Also wanted to point out the lack of resources in Pakistan bowling....I am not mocking here but just pointing out the pool of resources......once the LOI leg of the tour starts,Yadav and Ishant will most probably replaced by Bumrah and Bhuvi whereas Riaz if fit will start in all 3 formats.
 
ethan hunt said:
Both have ordinary stats .
Wahab is a better reverse swing bowler while umesh bowls the new ball better .
Both mediocre .
Australia series will be interesting.
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Yes...also historically both players have given decent performances in Australia...Umesh in ODI's and Tests has produced some good spells and Riaz looked very dangerous in the World cup
 
Umesh by a whisker. Had more potential and can actually swing the new ball. This is for tests though. In ODIs, Umesh quite comfortably based on the WC .
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Umesh by a whisker. Had more potential and can actually swing the new ball. This is for tests though. In ODIs, Umesh quite comfortably based on the WC .
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He is also fantastic when the ball starts reversing too as shown in the recent game against WI and also the last test against South Africa....I think when it comes to bouncers and short balls,Riaz might have an edge though
 
Umesh could have a higher ceiling due to late swing. Late swing at pace is not easy for any batsman. Right now both are around the same level. Both needs to improve a lot when it comes to control.
 
blue_champion said:
Also wanted to point out the lack of resources in Pakistan bowling....I am not mocking here but just pointing out the pool of resources......once the LOI leg of the tour starts,Yadav and Ishant will most probably replaced by Bumrah and Bhuvi whereas Riaz if fit will start in all 3 formats.
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Statistically imran khan is the best pacer in the subcontinent .
Its not a lack of resources . Its aversion to try out bowlers . New bowlers that come in rarely dissapoint.
 
blue_champion said:
He is also fantastic when the ball starts reversing too as shown in the recent game against WI and also the last test against South Africa....I think when it comes to bouncers and short balls,Riaz might have an edge though
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I also think he has a good outswinger with the new ball. Wahab is too pace reliant and is not quick enough to rely on pace alone. Will be cannon fodder in Australia.
 
street cricketer said:
A battle of spray guns.
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Kind of true but Umesh's problem is he tries too much and not just stick to one line the entire day and ends up spraying in the process.

Wahab's problem is he sticks to one length all the time and sprays it when he tries something else.

Statistically nothing much to separate them but I think skill wise Umesh has a more upside as he is good with both old and new ball.

Pace wise nothing that separates them.

Yorker they are pretty much even,with Wahab maybe marginally ahead

Bouncer I think Riaz has a very good short ball as compared to Umesh.

Inswing,Outswing,Seam,Slower ball,etc etc-Umesh is ahead
 
Umesh the ODI bowler is as poor as Wahab. If you go by their entire careers, Wahab is slightly better, but in the last 2-3 years, Umesh has been considerably superior. Personally, the only purpose they will serve in my team is carrying drinks.

Tests : Now this is the part that concerns me the most. 7/18 matches Umesh played have been against a formidable opponent on flat Aussie decks. So, we shouldn't go by his average alone. He is yet to play in Eng/SA/NZ where he should do better with his more diverse skill-set. In the subcontinent, Umesh has proven himself to be lethal with his reverse swing.

As for Wahab, he has played in a variety of conditions, and has been below average everywhere. He is yet to play in Australia where things will likely go worse. So keeping all this in mind, Umesh is likely to have a superior test career. But like always, we need to wait and watch.
 
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Both rubbish but I would take Wahab. Atleast he bowls few good spells in between...never liked Yadav.

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Problem with Yadav is that it seems he has not improved much at all since the first time I saw him in Australia in 2010.

So the higher ceiling debate is kinda pointless.

Wahab can bowl more dangerous spells but it's a toss up between who you would wanna pick
 
Actually Ishanth is better than Wahab & Umesh for test matches. (Between Wahab & Umesh - I will pick Umesh). If Wahab had possessed a good yorker (test-quality, deceptive) or fast pitched-up ball like Shoaib or Waqar, I would have taken him. Just pace is not enough for Test Matches.

But I will pick Wahab over Umesh in ODIs simply because he can bat a bit/complement the late order batting, otherwise they both are more or less same for ODIs.

But Ishant has done particularly well in Test Matches over the years for India compared to any other Indian Seam bowler and even some Pakistani/Srilankan bowlers (If you take out his poor shows in ODIs completely from your memory and consider only "tests" and also see the actually matches instead of mere stats you will find the truth)
 
I will pick umesh I really like him he can really become a good bowler if he improve his attitude he is very lazy sometimes I have seen
 
I am one of the biggest fans of Umesh so definitely Umesh. Ishant is the most overrated bowler. He bowled on one of the most greenest pitches in all our away losses in Eng, NZ, Aus and RSA and only had one spell to show
Heck even I would have had one good outing if given so many chances. On the other hand, Umesh is a beast and can bowl 140 plus on fifth day last season. Yes, line and length is improving and will only improve with time.
 
Slog said:
Problem with Yadav is that it seems he has not improved much at all since the first time I saw him in Australia in 2010.

So the higher ceiling debate is kinda pointless.

Wahab can bowl more dangerous spells but it's a toss up between who you would wanna pick
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While it was true for a large part of his career, I'd disagree for now based on some of his spells in the SA series back home & the first Test in WI. But thwn again, it will have to be seen whether he can continue along the same path of improvement or revert back to old habits.
 
dauntless said:
I will pick umesh I really like him he can really become a good bowler if he improve his attitude he is very lazy sometimes I have seen
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Having seen from close quarters in Nagpur, where he would start by running for hours on end in the morning & practice incessantly throughout the day, I can vouch for the fact that this is certainly not true. Even Ian Bishop (or Dujon) said on commentary that he watched Umesh pratice before the Test & he felt that Yadav gives his 100% even in fielding. The problem with him was more of accuracy and brains.
 
OutKast said:
No, not jealous. I used to look at Pak's attack with envy but not anymore. The gulf between our bowling and yours is closing whereas the gulf between the batting is as wide as ever :jf
We have a few pacers who can clock 90mph (Aaron, Shukla, Suyal) but they're not in the team.
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There is no gulf. Shami and Ishant are better than Rahat and Wahab. Zaheer in his last years
was better than any Pakistani fast bowler of recent years, barring Asif. Amir has still to perform
to his expectations, though I am not anywhere close to writing him off.

Yadav is useful enough but would be a more exciting prospect if he were younger. By now one
wonders how much better he is going to get.

The least flattering thing you could do is to compare him to Wahab. Its pathetic to read Pakistan fans
chatter on about fielding 140+ bowlers who are pure, utter rubbish. Wahab and Irfan are little more
than circus acts. Nothing to be proud of.

Don't strike the same sad pose.
 
Umesh for some reason plays better under Kohli,but in India we need to back him because we don't really have a bowling culture.

Wahab obviously is a better bowler but its also because bowling comes easier for Pakistanis.
 
Hope this thread goes the way of others where an Indian players performance went on an upward curve after being compared to a Pakistani player..

High time Umesh's career got an up tick! :)
 
JaDed said:
Umesh for some reason plays better under Kohli,but in India we need to back him because we don't really have a bowling culture.

Wahab obviously is a better bowler but its also because bowling comes easier for Pakistanis.
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Where did you pull that theory out of?

Nothing suggests that Wahab,Rahat or some of the reserves right now are man-to-man better than Shami,Ishant and Yadav. I have just showed you Yadav's stats and there is nothing that suggests one is better than the other...Infact even Amir apart from all that talk about talent....what makes him better than the current crop of Indian bowlers? His performance in England....then by teh same Yardstick Bhuvi was teh man of the series during India's tour as well and he ran through the English batting more than a few times in that series.
 
blue_champion said:
Where did you pull that theory out of?

Nothing suggests that Wahab,Rahat or some of the reserves right now are man-to-man better than Shami,Ishant and Yadav. I have just showed you Yadav's stats and there is nothing that suggests one is better than the other...Infact even Amir apart from all that talk about talent....what makes him better than the current crop of Indian bowlers? His performance in England....then by teh same Yardstick Bhuvi was teh man of the series during India's tour as well and he ran through the English batting more than a few times in that series.
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This is just my opinion and its based on many facts some of them being the fitness of Pakistani bowlers is very good,Bhuvi had a injured time after England series like Shami after Aus ,the fast bowlers in India get injured more when compared to Pakistani counterpart(imho) also considering Pakistani batsmen's performance its pretty hard to defend such scores for their bowlers,they do pretty well in that aspect.

But i do agree Bhuvi as a test bowler was defn better than most from current Pakistani team in the England tour at least.
 
Wahab had more potential and had agreater peak.

But Umesh is lasting longer.
 
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