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Myanmar soldiers have admitted to their involvement in the massacre of the Rohingyas for the first time.

In video testimony recorded by rebel militia, two members of the Tatmadaw, Myanmar's military, spoke about carrying out orders to exterminate Rohingya men, women, and children before burying the bodies in mass graves.

It is the first time members of the country's military have confessed to mass killings since an army crackdown in 2017, which UN investigators described as a genocidal campaign against the Muslim minority.

It forced an estimated 730,000 people to flee the predominately Buddist country into Bangladesh.

In his video testimony, Pvt Myo Win Tun, a soldier in the 565th light infantry battalion, admitted to carrying out orders to "shoot all that you can see and all that you hear" before dumping 30 bodies near a cell phone tower.

He said: "We also raped Muslim women prior to shooting them.

"There were the corporals, sergeants, and officers who raped Muslim women. I also raped one time.

"The Muslim men were shot on their foreheads and kicked into the grave."

He said the same colonel who gave his unit the original orders, Col Than Htike, told the troops "to exterminate all" Rohingyas.

He gave his testimony alongside another Pvt Zaw Naing Tun of the 353rd Light Infantry Battalion, who was deployed to a nearby township.

"We wiped out about 20 Muslim villages," Pvt Zaw Naing Tun says.

His unit of roughly 80 troops was told "to kill all, irrespective of children and adults".

He witnessed fellow troops raping Rohingya women.

Over a period of days, Pvt Zaw Naing Tun says his battalion launched attacks on 20 villages in Maungdaw Township, including Doe Tan, Ngan Chaung, Kyet Yoe Pyin, Zin Paing Nyar and U Shey Kya.

He also admitted to abducting 10 unarmed Rohingyas, tying them up with ropes, killing them and discarding their bodies in a mass grave.

The pair's testimony was filmed by a rebel militia.

It echoes eyewitness accounts from survivors and could aid proceedings at the International Criminal Court.

The court has held a series of hearings into whether military officials committed crimes against the Rohingyas.

Matthew Smith, chief executive of Fortify Rights, a human rights group, told NBC news: "This is the first time that Myanmar soldiers are coming forward in this way.

"This is the crack in the armour of impunity in the history of the Myanmar army's campaign against the Rohingya and other ethnic nationalities.

The two men fled Myanmar last month and have been transported to The Hague where the International Criminal court is located, the New York Times reported.

According to the United Nations, about 200 Rohingya villages were razed from 2017 to 2019.

An investigation by the UN concluded military leaders in Myanmar should be prosecuted for genocide and other crimes against humanity including murder, rape, torture, enslavement and persecution.

Myanmar has denied any wrongdoing against the Rohingyas.

Last year West African state The Gambia brought a case against Myanmar in the International Court of Justice.

Myanmar's leader and winner of the Nobel peace prize Aung San Suu Kyi attended a hearing to defend the country against accusations of genocide.

https://news.sky.com/story/shoot-al...rohingya-killings-for-the-first-time-12067209
 
An increasing number of Rohingya refugees are leaving the crowded camps of Cox’s Bazar, making the 1,800-kilometer sea crossing south to Indonesia in rickety boats.

Indonesian police and fishermen said last week they have begun patrolling parts of Aceh province, on the northwestern tip of Sumatra, to prevent the landing of refugee boats. Over 1,000 Rohingya have arrived last month, the largest number since 2015.

About 1 million Rohingya Muslims are living in squalid refugee camps in Cox’s Bazar.

In 2017, Myanmar’s military began a brutal crackdown on Rohingya people living in Rakhine State, destroying villages and killing thousands.

Hundreds of thousands more fled across the border to Bangladesh. The UN later called what happened a “textbook example of ethnic cleansing.”

Refugees escape camps
However, life has remained difficult for the Rohingya refugees, as they lack food, security, education, and work opportunities in the crowded camps.

A report by Human Rights Watch published this year said criminal gangs and affiliates of armed groups were causing fear at night in the refugee camps in Cox’s Bazar.

A 19-year-old Rohingya refugee who recently arrived in Aceh province with her family told the AFP news agency that criminals in Cox’s Bazar threatened her and her family every day, and she paid over $1,800 for the boat journey to Indonesia.

About 60 Rohingya people have been killed in the Cox Bazar camps this year so far, according to the police report.

Nay San Lwin, co-founder of the Free Rohingya Coalition, an activist network, told DW that many refugees are fleeing violence in the camps.

“Criminal gangs control the camps at night, making it so that no one in the camps feels safe. It poses a significant challenge for all refugees,” he told DW.

However, Lwin also said the World Food Program (WFP) cut refugee food rations earlier this year, which for many Rohingya was the last straw.

“In the camps, people depend on WFP’s ration allowance, which makes it impossible to have sufficient food nowadays — $8 for a person for the whole month’s ration,” Lwin told DW.

“The restriction of movement in the camps makes it impossible to work outside for survival,” he said.

“There is no alternative livelihood opportunity available, and there is no hope for meaningful repatriation soon, which makes refugees desperate to search for a better life elsewhere.”

Rohingya refugees are not allowed to work or get a proper education.

They have been barred from learning Bangla as Dhaka doesn’t want them to integrate into mainstream society. They are also barred from being granted citizenship in Myanmar.

“The absence of livelihoods with dignity is the leading cause for the genocide survivors fleeing the camps and taking dangerous journeys to Muslim countries like Malaysia and Indonesia,” Rezaur Rahman Lenin, a Rohingya researcher based in Cox’s Bazar, told DW.

He added that there is a large Rohingya community in Indonesia and Malaysia and many refugees believe they can earn an income in other countries.

“In addition, gang violence, law enforcement agencies brutality, criminal acts such as extortion, kidnapping, physical attacks and lack of psychological well-being also add to the causes,” he added.

Germany-based Rohingya activist Nay San Lwin said criminals who somehow access the restricted camps take advantage of the refugees’ vulnerability and lure them to take dangerous sea journeys.

“Faced with a hopeless situation, the refugees tend to believe whatever they were told by human traffickers and prepare for the risky journey,” he told DW.

“Many lost their lives at sea or suffered torture at the hands of the traffickers.”

Fighting human trafficking
Refugee Relief and Repatriation Commissioner (RRRC) Mohammed Mizanur Rahman told DW that he doesn’t think the refugees are leaving camps due to the security situation.

“They are stateless people, and we are not allowing them to integrate in Bangladesh. It’s not possible for us. So, for the sake of their next generation, they are trying to go to the countries where they think their future generation will have a better life,” he said.

The refugee chief added that law enforcement agencies have been trying to curb human trafficking, and more measures will be implemented in the future to tackle the situation.

“Two or three days ago, 58 Rohingya refugees were stopped from setting sail by police. Cases have been filed related to human trafficking in the area in recent years, and many arrests have been made to ensure justice,” Rahman told DW.

“However, it’s difficult to maintain law and order in the overcrowded camps due to their location and other factors,” he added.

Source: Dhaka Tribune

 
We often talk about the concept of one Muslim ummah. What have all Muslim countries done for Muslims in crisis around the world?
 
And we have sold weapons including jf17 aircraft to this despicable junta
 
The United Nations called on Saturday for the urgent rescue of 185 people, mainly women and children, on a distressed boat last heard to be near the Andaman and Nicobar Islands in the Indian Ocean.

Around 70 of those onboard are children and 88 are women, the UNHCR refugee agency said in a statement.

“At least a dozen are feared to be in critical condition with one individual reported to have already died,” it said.

“Many more could die under the watch of numerous coastal states without timely rescue and disembarkation to the nearest place of safety.”

UNHCR spokesman Babar Baloch told AFP the people onboard were Rohingya refugees, and said the agency was appealing to all the coastal authorities in the area to urgently rescue them.

“It is really a desperate situation,” he said.

Thousands of the mostly Muslim Rohingya, heavily persecuted in Myanmar, undertake risky sea journeys from Myanmar and refugee camps in Bangladesh every year trying to reach Malaysia or Indonesia.

More than 2,000 Rohingya are believed to have attempted the risky journey to Southeast Asian countries in 2022, according to UNHCR.

And since last year, more than 570 people, including Rohingya refugees, have been reported dead or missing at sea in the region, it said.

When it comes to the people currently adrift, the agency emphasized that “a bigger tragedy is preventable with timely efforts to save lives.”

“This situation once again underlines the importance of all states in the region deploying their full search and rescue capacities to avoid human disasters happening at this scale.”

Source: Al Arabiya News

 
So sad. The Burmese military government is sheer evil.
Today, while having dinner (in Dubai) I was chatting with one of the waiters who was Burmese. He told me, the Burmese government is now demanding a 20% cut in the salaries of Burmese people who are working abroad. If they don't pay the tax, then their passports will be revoked. Really crazy.
 
So sad. The Burmese military government is sheer evil.
Today, while having dinner (in Dubai) I was chatting with one of the waiters who was Burmese. He told me, the Burmese government is now demanding a 20% cut in the salaries of Burmese people who are working abroad. If they don't pay the tax, then their passports will be revoked. Really crazy.
what??? that is crazy.
 
The culprits behind the killing of innocent Rohingyan Muslims need to be sentenced and prosecuted ASAP.
 
Indonesians storm Rohingya refugee center and demand their deportation from their country.


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Indonesians storm Rohingya refugee center and demand their deportation from their country.
Why does everyone hate these Rohingyas so much?

Whether in Myanmar, India, Bangladesh or Indonesia, everyone wants them either evicted or butchered.
 
Why does everyone hate these Rohingyas so much?

Whether in Myanmar, India, Bangladesh or Indonesia, everyone wants them either evicted or butchered.
No Brotherliness there for their fellow Muslims. There must be something about Rohingyas that is putting off every country.
 
No Brotherliness there for their fellow Muslims. There must be something about Rohingyas that is putting off every country.

Since you have bumped the thread you must have some idea what that is. Perhaps you can share your thoughts.
 
Since you have bumped the thread you must have some idea what that is. Perhaps you can share your thoughts.

My guess would be that the Rohingyas are too radical for the moderate Indonesian Muslims. Perhaps the Indonesians want Rohingyas out before things turn bad. It could also be that locals do not want to share their resources with Rohingyas.
 
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My guess would be that the Rohingyas are too radical for the moderate Indonesian Muslims. Perhaps the Indonesians want Rohingyas out before things turn bad. It could also be that locals do not want to share their resources with Rohingyas.

Your first guess that the Rohingyas are too radical needs to have some basis. Do you have any?

The second that the Indonesians don't want to share resources, that could be true, not easy for developing countries to manage resources for their own population never mind additional refugees.
 
The Union government has made a significant statement regarding the status of illegal Rohingya Muslim migrants in the country. In a submission to the Supreme Court, the government asserted that these migrants do not possess a fundamental right to reside and settle in India. It emphasized that the judiciary should not encroach upon the legislative and policy domains of the Parliament and executive to create a separate category for granting refugee status to such individuals.

Citing various judgments of the Supreme Court, the government clarified that while a foreigner enjoys the right to life and liberty under Article 21 of the Constitution, the right to reside and settle in the country is exclusively reserved for Indian citizens. The government also clarified that India does not recognize UNHCR refugee cards, which some Rohingya Muslimshave obtained to claim refugee status.

“Continuance of Rohingyas’ illegal migration to India and their stay in India, apart from it being absolutely illegal, is fraught with serious security ramifications,” it said.

The government's affidavit highlighted the challenges posed by large-scale illegal migration from neighboring countries, particularly Bangladesh, which has altered the demographic profile of some border states such as Assam and West Bengal. It emphasized that the continued illegal migration of Rohingyas into India, apart from being illegal, poses serious security ramifications for the country.

 
Indian government and courts harassing Muslims again, nothing new to see.

Harassing the Rohingyas who are escaping genocide while at the same time passing laws like CAA to bring back people of favorable communities from neighbouring countries. Shame on India under Modi.
 
Indian government and courts harassing Muslims again, nothing new to see.

Harassing the Rohingyas who are escaping genocide while at the same time passing laws like CAA to bring back people of favorable communities from neighbouring countries. Shame on India under Modi.
India is an islamophobic country, not safe for muslims. Why should rohingyas come to india when they would be safer in muslim countries in the neighbourhood?
 
Pakistan should take all Rohingyas. They would blend in with Pakistani population very well.

How? They are thousands of miles away. Culturally, they would be closer to mainland India and eastern India when compared to Pakistan.

Besides, Pakistan already hosts a lot more refugees than India.
 
How? They are thousands of miles away. Culturally, they would be closer to mainland India and eastern India when compared to Pakistan.

Besides, Pakistan already hosts a lot more refugees than India.
If they can travel all the way to Kashmir, they can easily make it to Pakistan too.

Pakistan is only a few kilometers away from Indian Kashmir. Syrian refugees traveled thousands of miles all the way to UK and Germany. I am sure Rohingya brothers can do that too.
 
Pakistan should take all Rohingyas. They would blend in with Pakistani population very well.

Surely culturally and and geographically if any Islamic country was to be the refugee receiving area it would be Bangladesh? From what was reported previously, the Burmese claimed that is where they were from originally as far as I know.

Why pick Pakistan as the destination? Perhaps you were referring to East Pakistan in which case I should update you that it is no longer in existence.
 
If they can travel all the way to Kashmir, they can easily make it to Pakistan too.

Pakistan is only a few kilometers away from Indian Kashmir. Syrian refugees traveled thousands of miles all the way to UK and Germany. I am sure Rohingya brothers can do that too.

Why, though? I've already stated that they are culturally closer to Indians. I'd suspect they'd blend in with eastern Indians given that they border that region.

Consider the logistical challenges of millions migrating thousands of kilometers into another country, particularly one already hosting millions of refugees. As the numbers increase, the feasibility of such a suggestion becomes increasingly unrealistic.

I must also ask, how many Rohingyas actually relocated to IOK? If the number falls short of 100,000, it certainly warrants a chuckle given that you want millions to go through a similar route.

Pakistan should take all Rohingyas. They would blend in with Pakistani population very well.

You've yet to address the crucial question of how these individuals would seamlessly integrate into the Pakistani population. That was quite the claim you made.
 
Why, though? I've already stated that they are culturally closer to Indians. I'd suspect they'd blend in with eastern Indians given that they border that region.

Consider the logistical challenges of millions migrating thousands of kilometers into another country, particularly one already hosting millions of refugees. As the numbers increase, the feasibility of such a suggestion becomes increasingly unrealistic.

I must also ask, how many Rohingyas actually relocated to IOK? If the number falls short of 100,000, it certainly warrants a chuckle given that you want millions to go through a similar route.



You've yet to address the crucial question of how these individuals would seamlessly integrate into the Pakistani population. That was quite the claim you made.
Their culture is Islamic. Nothing to do with India which carries genocide against Muslims according to many here and around the world. It makes sense for them to either go to Bangladesh or Pakistan which are the closest Muslim countries to them.
 
Their culture is Islamic. Nothing to do with India which carries genocide against Muslims according to many here and around the world. It makes sense for them to either go to Bangladesh or Pakistan which are the closest Muslim countries to them.

Now I'm thinking about it, weren't they part of India when the original ancestors migrated to Myanmar? So culturally they could have a claim to the Indian side of Bengal if that is where they originally left from? :unsure:
 
Indian government and courts harassing Muslims again, nothing new to see.

Harassing the Rohingyas who are escaping genocide while at the same time passing laws like CAA to bring back people of favorable communities from neighbouring countries. Shame on India under Modi.

Why don't you take these Rohingyas to Pakistan?
 
How? They are thousands of miles away. Culturally, they would be closer to mainland India and eastern India when compared to Pakistan.

Besides, Pakistan already hosts a lot more refugees than India.

Pakistanis seem to have lot of love for Rohingyas, so take them. If not stop telling others to take tgem.

India won't take them and they have no relationship with us.
 
Why, though? I've already stated that they are culturally closer to Indians. I'd suspect they'd blend in with eastern Indians given that they border that region.

Consider the logistical challenges of millions migrating thousands of kilometers into another country, particularly one already hosting millions of refugees. As the numbers increase, the feasibility of such a suggestion becomes increasingly unrealistic.

I must also ask, how many Rohingyas actually relocated to IOK? If the number falls short of 100,000, it certainly warrants a chuckle given that you want millions to go through a similar route.



You've yet to address the crucial question of how these individuals would seamlessly integrate into the Pakistani population. That was quite the claim you made.

What you state about Rohingyas and India is immaterial. India doesn't want the Rohingyas and that's the end of that.

Pakistanis seem to have so much love for these Rohingyas. So take them. Whatever Rohingyas are in India, they can be rounded up and taken to the Wagha border.

Its funny how pakistanis want India to take in these people but won't take them in themselves.
 
Now I'm thinking about it, weren't they part of India when the original ancestors migrated to Myanmar? So culturally they could have a claim to the Indian side of Bengal if that is where they originally left from? :unsure:
India was divided and Muslims got their homeland. Any outside Muslims who wants to comeback to India have no claims left. They need to go to Bangladesh or Pakistan. For Muslims, it is religion before country. So BD and Pak must take them.
 
Pakistanis seem to have lot of love for Rohingyas, so take them. If not stop telling others to take tgem.

India won't take them and they have no relationship with us.

But they do have a relationship with India if it is true that their ancestors migrated from Bengal which is located in India. What is reeking from your post isn't so much Pakistani love for Rohingya, but Indian hate for them. The whole world is upset about the Myanmar ethnic cleansing not just Pakistan, it has been reported everywhere as a tragedy. Perhaps even decent people in India would feel some sympathy? :unsure:
 
India was divided and Muslims got their homeland. Any outside Muslims who wants to comeback to India have no claims left. They need to go to Bangladesh or Pakistan. For Muslims, it is religion before country. So BD and Pak must take them.

But you originally claimed Pakistan should take them when geographically and culturally they belong to Bengal. Why did you rush to send them to Pakistan? :unsure:
 
But they do have a relationship with India if it is true that their ancestors migrated from Bengal which is located in India. What is reeking from your post isn't so much Pakistani love for Rohingya, but Indian hate for them. The whole world is upset about the Myanmar ethnic cleansing not just Pakistan, it has been reported everywhere as a tragedy. Perhaps even decent people in India would feel some sympathy? :unsure:

That's what Myanmar claims not what India accepts.

The whole world is free to take them. What's sure is that they won't be allowed to settle in India.

India has put its foot down. India isn't a signatory to UN convention on refugees. UNHCR isn't recognised in India. So all their refugee cards to Rohingyas in India will mean Zilch.

All these illegal immigrants will have to leave. Whoever in the world wants them, can take them.
 
But you originally claimed Pakistan should take them when geographically and culturally they belong to Bengal. Why did you rush to send them to Pakistan? :unsure:
Religiously, they are similar to Pakistan. If Bangladesh does not want them, Pakistan is their 2nd choice.
 
Why, though? I've already stated that they are culturally closer to Indians. I'd suspect they'd blend in with eastern Indians given that they border that region.

Consider the logistical challenges of millions migrating thousands of kilometers into another country, particularly one already hosting millions of refugees. As the numbers increase, the feasibility of such a suggestion becomes increasingly unrealistic.

I must also ask, how many Rohingyas actually relocated to IOK? If the number falls short of 100,000, it certainly warrants a chuckle given that you want millions to go through a similar route.



You've yet to address the crucial question of how these individuals would seamlessly integrate into the Pakistani population. That was quite the claim you made.
Punjabi sikhs hindus and muslims were also culturally very close, bengali hindus and muslims were also culturally close. Yet they killed each other and decided to part ways.

Rohingyas are part of Two nation theory. They can go to BD/PK or any muslim country, but not India. Or have Pakistanis stopped believing in Qaid-e-Azam's two nation theory?
 
Religiously, they are similar to Pakistan. If Bangladesh does not want them, Pakistan is their 2nd choice.

You cannot speak for them so you are in no position to say what is their 2nd choice. Their 1st choice might be to go back to their ancestral homes in Bengal India. If you as a hindu don't want them because they are Muslims then just say it plainly, no one can force you to take them, but when you keep shouting Pakistan! Pakistan! then people will wonder what is your problem.
 
Pakistanis seem to have lot of love for Rohingyas, so take them. If not stop telling others to take tgem.

India won't take them and they have no relationship with us.
If India has to take in muslim refugees then what was the bloody point of partition based on religion?
 
You cannot speak for them so you are in no position to say what is their 2nd choice. Their 1st choice might be to go back to their ancestral homes in Bengal India. If you as a hindu don't want them because they are Muslims then just say it plainly, no one can force you to take them, but when you keep shouting Pakistan! Pakistan! then people will wonder what is your problem.
I don't want them in India as muslims because I believe in Two nation theory, the founding principle of Pakistan and of its founders.
 
I don't want them in India as muslims because I believe in Two nation theory, the founding principle of Pakistan and of its founders.

That is a logical position to take. Of course the Two Nation theory has already failed as Mamoon is always keen to tell us, and it has become Three Nations. So with the founding principles of the Two Nation theory on the ropes, we still need to find a solution for Rohingya refugees.
 
Punjabi sikhs hindus and muslims were also culturally very close, bengali hindus and muslims were also culturally close. Yet they killed each other and decided to part ways.

Rohingyas are part of Two nation theory. They can go to BD/PK or any muslim country, but not India. Or have Pakistanis stopped believing in Qaid-e-Azam's two nation theory?
Two nation (now three nation) theory is for the Muslims of 'India' at that time who realized that they couldn't co-exist due to Hindu tyranny.

Burma separated in 1938 so it doesn't apply to them.

Jinnah and Co had the right idea but stopped short. For true peace a three ( or four) nation theory is required.

I don't have any contacts in India but please put forward the suggestion of another partition to your friends bro.
 
That is a logical position to take. Of course the Two Nation theory has already failed as Mamoon is always keen to tell us, and it has become Three Nations. So with the founding principles of the Two Nation theory on the ropes, we still need to find a solution for Rohingya refugees.
Two nation theory never failed. It would have failed if Bangladesh merged back with India. Two nations: that is hindus and muslims are separate nations is still valid and alive and kicking. Rohingyas are not indian's concern, let the separate nation of muslims worry for them.
 
Two nation (now three nation) theory is for the Muslims of 'India' at that time who realized that they couldn't co-exist due to Hindu tyranny.

Burma separated in 1938 so it doesn't apply to them.

Jinnah and Co had the right idea but stopped short. For true peace a three ( or four) nation theory is required.

I don't have any contacts in India but please put forward the suggestion of another partition to your friends bro.
You mean muslims were under hindu tyranny when both were ruled by the british? Two nation theory was a pre-emptive measure, that when British leave, muslims will be outnumbered and outvoted by hindus, and that was not acceptable.


It is not three nation theory. It is still Two nation theory. With muslim nation having sub nations of pakistan and bangladesh.

So rohingyas may be either of these sub nations problem, but not indians. We are separate nation. We believe in Two nation theory, that hindus and muslims are separate and cannot co exist.
 
Syed Ahmad Khan: If we join the political movement of the Bengalis our nation will reap loss, for we do not want to become subjects of the Hindus instead of the subjects of the 'People of the Book' (British). And as far as we can we should remain faithful to the English Government
 
Nothing to do with India which carries genocide against Muslims according to many here and around the world.

Your perspective seems rather narrow. While it's undeniable that India has been(is) implicated in documented atrocities against the Muslim population, particularly in Kashmir, we must acknowledge the geographical realities at play. Myanmar shares an extensive border and numerous cultural ties with both India and Bangladesh. Consequently, these neighboring countries would logically serve as the primary destinations for refugees fleeing Myanmar, much like Pakistan and Iran are natural first choices for Afghan refugees.

Their culture is Islamic. It makes sense for them to either go to Bangladesh or Pakistan which are the closest Muslim countries to them.

It appears that you might not understand the diversity among Muslim-majority countries. Each nation, like Pakistan, Egypt, and Uzbekistan, possesses distinct cultures and histories spanning thousands of years. To suggest that these cultures are universally compatible is a misconception.

Considering the geographic proximity of the Rohingya people to Buddhist traditions, it's reasonable to assume they have been significantly influenced by these traditions. Therefore, assuming similarities between Pakistanis and Rohingyas solely based on their shared faith is misguided. Not to mention the language, ethnic, and other differences between Pak and the Rohingya.

Also, Indonesia and Malaysia are closer to Myanmar than Pakistan, so your 3rd point is also factually incorrect.

Pakistanis seem to have lot of love for Rohingyas, so take them. If not stop telling others to take tgem.

India won't take them and they have no relationship with us.

I'm not telling you to "take tgem", I'm simply questioning why this individual is singling out Pakistan specifically as a potential destination for these refugees.

Contrary to the notion that Pakistan hasn't welcomed Rohingya refugees, the reality is quite different. Pakistan has actually provided refuge to a significantly larger number of Rohingya refugees compared to India, despite being thousands of kilometers away and lacking substantial cultural similarities with them.


Rohingya population numbers according to Wikipedia.

1.) Bangladesh - 1.3+ Million

2.) Myanmar - 600K

3.) Pakistan - 500K(Rohingya people in Pakistan are a community based in Sindh, Pakistan. They are Rohingya Muslims, an ethnic group native to Rakhine State, Myanmar, who have fled their homeland because of the persecution of Muslims by the Burmese government and the Buddhist majority. According to varied Pakistani government sources and the Arakan Historical Society, some 200,000 Rohingya refugees are residing in Pakistan. All of them have made a perilous journey across Bangladesh and India and have settled in Karachi. A report on human trafficking stated that Burmese people make up fourteen percent of Karachi's undocumented immigrants. Large-scale Rohingya migration to Karachi made Karachi one of the largest population centers of Rohingyas in the world after Myanmar.)

("According to community leaders and social scientists, there are over 1.6 million Bengalis and up to 400,000 Rohingyas living in Karachi.")

3 other countries

7.) India - "40K"(As of December 2022, there were over 21 thousand Rohingya Muslim refugees living in India, according to the (UNHRC). The actions of the BJP and the demonization of the Rohingya by mainstream media in India have shaken the community.) - Al Jazeera

(Around 40,000 Rohingya refugees live in slums and detention camps across India, including Jammu, Hyderabad, Nuh, and Delhi, the majority of whom are undocumented.)

The number of Rohingya refugees in Pakistan is nearly 10 to 12 times higher than that in India.
 
You mean muslims were under hindu tyranny when both were ruled by the british? Two nation theory was a pre-emptive measure, that when British leave, muslims will be outnumbered and outvoted by hindus, and that was not acceptable.


It is not three nation theory. It is still Two nation theory. With muslim nation having sub nations of pakistan and bangladesh.

So rohingyas may be either of these sub nations problem, but not indians. We are separate nation. We believe in Two nation theory, that hindus and muslims are separate and cannot co exist.
How do you propose that the Hindus and Muslims currently in India are dealt with given you believe they cannot Co exist.
 
Your perspective seems rather narrow. While it's undeniable that India has been(is) implicated in documented atrocities against the Muslim population, particularly in Kashmir, we must acknowledge the geographical realities at play. Myanmar shares an extensive border and numerous cultural ties with both India and Bangladesh. Consequently, these neighboring countries would logically serve as the primary destinations for refugees fleeing Myanmar, much like Pakistan and Iran are natural first choices for Afghan refugees.



It appears that you might not understand the diversity among Muslim-majority countries. Each nation, like Pakistan, Egypt, and Uzbekistan, possesses distinct cultures and histories spanning thousands of years. To suggest that these cultures are universally compatible is a misconception.

Considering the geographic proximity of the Rohingya people to Buddhist traditions, it's reasonable to assume they have been significantly influenced by these traditions. Therefore, assuming similarities between Pakistanis and Rohingyas solely based on their shared faith is misguided. Not to mention the language, ethnic, and other differences between Pak and the Rohingya.

Also, Indonesia and Malaysia are closer to Myanmar than Pakistan, so your 3rd point is also factually incorrect.



I'm not telling you to "take tgem", I'm simply questioning why this individual is singling out Pakistan specifically as a potential destination for these refugees.

Contrary to the notion that Pakistan hasn't welcomed Rohingya refugees, the reality is quite different. Pakistan has actually provided refuge to a significantly larger number of Rohingya refugees compared to India, despite being thousands of kilometers away and lacking substantial cultural similarities with them.


Rohingya population numbers according to Wikipedia.

1.) Bangladesh - 1.3+ Million

2.) Myanmar - 600K

3.) Pakistan - 500K(Rohingya people in Pakistan are a community based in Sindh, Pakistan. They are Rohingya Muslims, an ethnic group native to Rakhine State, Myanmar, who have fled their homeland because of the persecution of Muslims by the Burmese government and the Buddhist majority. According to varied Pakistani government sources and the Arakan Historical Society, some 200,000 Rohingya refugees are residing in Pakistan. All of them have made a perilous journey across Bangladesh and India and have settled in Karachi. A report on human trafficking stated that Burmese people make up fourteen percent of Karachi's undocumented immigrants. Large-scale Rohingya migration to Karachi made Karachi one of the largest population centers of Rohingyas in the world after Myanmar.)

("According to community leaders and social scientists, there are over 1.6 million Bengalis and up to 400,000 Rohingyas living in Karachi.")

3 other countries

7.) India - "40K"(As of December 2022, there were over 21 thousand Rohingya Muslim refugees living in India, according to the (UNHRC). The actions of the BJP and the demonization of the Rohingya by mainstream media in India have shaken the community.) - Al Jazeera

(Around 40,000 Rohingya refugees live in slums and detention camps across India, including Jammu, Hyderabad, Nuh, and Delhi, the majority of whom are undocumented.)

The number of Rohingya refugees in Pakistan is nearly 10 to 12 times higher than that in India.
Religion supersedes culture in the subcontinent, a bengali muslim will have more in common with a punjabi muslim than a bengali hindu.

Pakistan is the leader of thr ummah, so why shouldn't they be taking more refugees than hindutva rss india
 
Two nation theory never failed. It would have failed if Bangladesh merged back with India. Two nations: that is hindus and muslims are separate nations is still valid and alive and kicking. Rohingyas are not indian's concern, let the separate nation of muslims worry for them.

If Bangladesh had merged back with India then the Two Nation theory would have been proven, as there would still be two nations instead of three. Once the Indian govt stepped in to aid the creation of a third nation, it should now shoulder responsibility for migrants from Bengal and work with Bangladesh and Bengal India to bring the Rohingyas home.

Perhaps if the 1971 war had never happened then Pakistan east and west could have shouldered more responsibility jointly. But just as Pakistan can not take responsibility for Muslims who stayed back in India, neither can they take responsibility for Indian Muslims who migrated to Myanmar.
 
Religion supersedes culture in the subcontinent, a bengali muslim will have more in common with a punjabi muslim than a bengali hindu.

Pakistan is the leader of thr ummah, so why shouldn't they be taking more refugees than hindutva rss india

When was Pakistan declared leader of the Ummah and by whom?
 
If Bangladesh had merged back with India then the Two Nation theory would have been proven, as there would still be two nations instead of three. Once the Indian govt stepped in to aid the creation of a third nation, it should now shoulder responsibility for migrants from Bengal and work with Bangladesh and Bengal India to bring the Rohingyas home.

Perhaps if the 1971 war had never happened then Pakistan east and west could have shouldered more responsibility jointly. But just as Pakistan can not take responsibility for Muslims who stayed back in India, neither can they take responsibility for Indian Muslims who migrated to Myanmar.
In the two nation theory, the two nations were Muslims and Hindus. The founding fathers of Pakistan had such clarity of thought.

Syed Ahmed Khan: The first of all in this -- In whose hands shall the administration and the Empire of India rest? Now, suppose that all English, and the whole English army, were to leave India, taking with them all their cannon and their splendid weapons and everything, then who would be rulers of India? Is it possible that under these circumstances two nations -- the Mohamedans and the Hindus -- could sit on the same throne and remain equal in power? Most certainly not. It is necessary that one of them should conquer the other and thrust it down. To hope that both could remain equal is to desire the impossible and the inconceivable. At the same time you must remember that although the number of Mohamedans is less than that of the Hindus, and although they contain far fewer people who have received a high English education, yet they must not be thought insignificant or weak. Probably they would be by themselves enough to maintain their own position But suppose they were not. Then our Mussalman brothers, the Pathans, would come out as a swarm of locusts from their mountain valleys, and ake revers of blood to flow from their frontier in the north to the extreme end of Bengal. This thing -- who, after the departure of the English, would be conquerors -- would rest on the will of God. But until one nation had conquered the other and made it obedient, peace could not reign in the land. This conclusion is based on proofs so absolute that no one can deny it.


Please read this clarity of thought, and re-educate yourself about that two nation theory really is.
 
How do you propose that the Hindus and Muslims currently in India are dealt with given you believe they cannot Co exist.
I believe in the words of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan.

It is necessary that one of them should conquer the other and thrust it down. To hope that both could remain equal is to desire the impossible and the inconceivable. ..... But until one nation had conquered the other and made it obedient, peace could not reign in the land.

This is the only way to co exist. May the strongest prevail.
 
Religion supersedes culture in the subcontinent, a bengali muslim will have more in common with a punjabi muslim than a bengali hindu.

Wrong, I've addressed this.

It appears that you might not understand the diversity among Muslim-majority countries. Each nation, like Pakistan, Egypt, and Uzbekistan, possesses distinct cultures and histories spanning thousands of years. To suggest that these cultures are universally compatible is a misconception.

Considering the geographic proximity of the Rohingya people to Buddhist traditions, it's reasonable to assume they have been significantly influenced by these traditions. Therefore, assuming similarities between Pakistanis and Rohingyas solely based on their shared faith is misguided. Not to mention the language, ethnic, and other differences between Pak and the Rohingya.

Also, Indonesia and Malaysia are closer to Myanmar than Pakistan, so your 3rd point is also factually incorrect.

Your assumptions are merely that—assumptions. You don't have any evidence to support your claims, or maybe I should just call them feelings.

Pakistan is the leader of thr ummah, so why shouldn't they be taking more refugees than hindutva rss india

Actually, that's factually incorrect. Pakistan has taken in more Rohingya refugees than what you referred to as "hindutva RSS India" (your words).

Contrary to the notion that Pakistan hasn't welcomed Rohingya refugees, the reality is quite different. Pakistan has actually provided refuge to a significantly larger number of Rohingya refugees compared to India, despite being thousands of kilometers away and lacking substantial cultural similarities with them.

Rohingya population numbers according to Wikipedia.

1.) Bangladesh - 1.3+ Million

2.) Myanmar - 600K

3.) Pakistan - 500K(Rohingya people in Pakistan are a community based in Sindh, Pakistan. They are Rohingya Muslims, an ethnic group native to Rakhine State, Myanmar, who have fled their homeland because of the persecution of Muslims by the Burmese government and the Buddhist majority. According to varied Pakistani government sources and the Arakan Historical Society, some 200,000 Rohingya refugees are residing in Pakistan. All of them have made a perilous journey across Bangladesh and India and have settled in Karachi. A report on human trafficking stated that Burmese people make up fourteen percent of Karachi's undocumented immigrants. Large-scale Rohingya migration to Karachi made Karachi one of the largest population centers of Rohingyas in the world after Myanmar.)

("According to community leaders and social scientists, there are over 1.6 million Bengalis and up to 400,000 Rohingyas living in Karachi.")

3 other countries

7.) India - "40K"(As of December 2022, there were over 21 thousand Rohingya Muslim refugees living in India, according to the (UNHRC). The actions of the BJP and the demonization of the Rohingya by mainstream media in India have shaken the community.) - Al Jazeera

(Around 40,000 Rohingya refugees live in slums and detention camps across India, including Jammu, Hyderabad, Nuh, and Delhi, the majority of whom are undocumented.)

The number of Rohingya refugees in Pakistan is nearly 10 to 13 times higher than that in India.

Before responding next time, please take a moment to read my post. I believe both of us would save time if you could do that.
 
Wrong, I've addressed this.



Your assumptions are merely that—assumptions. You don't have any evidence to support your claims, or maybe I should just call them feelings.



Actually, that's factually incorrect. Pakistan has taken in more Rohingya refugees than what you referred to as "hindutva RSS India" (your words).



Before responding next time, please take a moment to read my post. I believe both of us would save time if you could do that.
Bengali Muslims and hindus and punjabi hindus and Muslims killed each other in droves despite having the same language and culture, because religion was the most important thing for them.

The division of bengal and Punjab was done on the lines of religion and both bengalis and punjabis preferred living with people who were different to them culturally and linguistically but shared the same religion.

I know this because my own family left lahore, to settle in bombay despite being punjabis.

And I never said that Pakistan has taken in less refugees than india, they have taken in more refugees and it's their duty as the home of subcontinental Muslims and as a country formed in the name of islam.
 
Your perspective seems rather narrow. While it's undeniable that India has been(is) implicated in documented atrocities against the Muslim population, particularly in Kashmir, we must acknowledge the geographical realities at play. Myanmar shares an extensive border and numerous cultural ties with both India and Bangladesh. Consequently, these neighboring countries would logically serve as the primary destinations for refugees fleeing Myanmar, much like Pakistan and Iran are natural first choices for Afghan refugees.



It appears that you might not understand the diversity among Muslim-majority countries. Each nation, like Pakistan, Egypt, and Uzbekistan, possesses distinct cultures and histories spanning thousands of years. To suggest that these cultures are universally compatible is a misconception.

Considering the geographic proximity of the Rohingya people to Buddhist traditions, it's reasonable to assume they have been significantly influenced by these traditions. Therefore, assuming similarities between Pakistanis and Rohingyas solely based on their shared faith is misguided. Not to mention the language, ethnic, and other differences between Pak and the Rohingya.

Also, Indonesia and Malaysia are closer to Myanmar than Pakistan, so your 3rd point is also factually incorrect.



I'm not telling you to "take tgem", I'm simply questioning why this individual is singling out Pakistan specifically as a potential destination for these refugees.

Contrary to the notion that Pakistan hasn't welcomed Rohingya refugees, the reality is quite different. Pakistan has actually provided refuge to a significantly larger number of Rohingya refugees compared to India, despite being thousands of kilometers away and lacking substantial cultural similarities with them.


Rohingya population numbers according to Wikipedia.

1.) Bangladesh - 1.3+ Million

2.) Myanmar - 600K

3.) Pakistan - 500K(Rohingya people in Pakistan are a community based in Sindh, Pakistan. They are Rohingya Muslims, an ethnic group native to Rakhine State, Myanmar, who have fled their homeland because of the persecution of Muslims by the Burmese government and the Buddhist majority. According to varied Pakistani government sources and the Arakan Historical Society, some 200,000 Rohingya refugees are residing in Pakistan. All of them have made a perilous journey across Bangladesh and India and have settled in Karachi. A report on human trafficking stated that Burmese people make up fourteen percent of Karachi's undocumented immigrants. Large-scale Rohingya migration to Karachi made Karachi one of the largest population centers of Rohingyas in the world after Myanmar.)

("According to community leaders and social scientists, there are over 1.6 million Bengalis and up to 400,000 Rohingyas living in Karachi.")

3 other countries

7.) India - "40K"(As of December 2022, there were over 21 thousand Rohingya Muslim refugees living in India, according to the (UNHRC). The actions of the BJP and the demonization of the Rohingya by mainstream media in India have shaken the community.) - Al Jazeera

(Around 40,000 Rohingya refugees live in slums and detention camps across India, including Jammu, Hyderabad, Nuh, and Delhi, the majority of whom are undocumented.)

The number of Rohingya refugees in Pakistan is nearly 10 to 12 times higher than that in India.

India doesn't want these Rohingyas. And its clear that they will not be allowed to settle here.

India isn't a signatory to the UN Refugees convention and hence UNHCR can't do anything on this in India.

Where they go is no concern of ours. They are not Indian citizens and they have to leave.

I see a lot of pakistanis critical of India's refusal to house these illegal immigrants, i don't understand what's pakistan's problem with this?
 
Bengali Muslims and hindus and punjabi hindus and Muslims killed each other in droves despite having the same language and culture, because religion was the most important thing for them.

Why does that matter? Is there still movement across the border?

Let's focus on the topic at hand.

And I never said that Pakistan has taken in less refugees than india, they have taken in more refugees and it's their duty as the home of subcontinental Muslims and as a country formed in the name of islam.

Myanmar is a Southeast Asian nation, and the Partition occurred 75 years ago, fulfilling its intended purpose. It's not reasonable to simply shift every underprivileged Indian group to Pakistan. These individuals are now your fellow countrymen, born and raised in India, deserving of their rights.

I shouldn't even need to tell you that.

India doesn't want these Rohingyas. And its clear that they will not be allowed to settle here.

India isn't a signatory to the UN Refugees convention and hence UNHCR can't do anything on this in India.

India, or perhaps some Indians, seem to exhibit what could be termed as 'main character syndrome.' When compared to the number of refugees accepted by other countries, India's acceptance of refugees is notably low.

Considering the rhetoric from Indian sources, one might assume that India has welcomed a substantial number of Rohingya refugees, possibly in the millions. However, the reality is quite different, with India causing a stir over fewer than 50,000 refugees. This is surprising, especially given India's status as the most populous country in human history and its extensive border with Myanmar.

It's important not to overstate India's actions in accepting these refugees. You need to keep in mind that those are rookie numbers.

Where they go is no concern of ours. They are not Indian citizens and they have to leave.

I see a lot of pakistanis critical of India's refusal to house these illegal immigrants, i don't understand what's pakistan's problem with this?
Pakistanis seem to have lot of love for Rohingyas, so take them. If not stop telling others to take tgem.

After reading a few comments, you seemed inclined towards suggesting that Pakistan should take in even more Rohingya refugees, despite already hosting a significantly larger number than India. It's ironic for you to complain about being asked to take action. In principle, if you truly believe in something, leading by example rather than consistently contradicting yourself is essential. Otherwise, it becomes challenging for others to take you seriously.

Personally, I'm very supportive of refugee resettlement regardless of their origin or beliefs. However, I understand that not everyone shares this sentiment, particularly those on the far right.
 
Myanmar is a Southeast Asian nation, and the Partition occurred 75 years ago, fulfilling its intended purpose. It's not reasonable to simply shift every underprivileged Indian group to Pakistan. These individuals are now your fellow countrymen, born and raised in India, deserving of their rights.
No one wants to shift every underprivileged group to Pakistan, I don't recall writing anything of that sort.

And no I don't want to shift indian Muslims to pak, they have equal rights as me.

Just the rohingyas and I commend pak for taking more than india, they are living up to their duty and responsibility
 
Just the rohingyas and I commend pak for taking more than india, they are living up to their duty and responsibility

The following words are also your own.

And I never said that Pakistan has taken in less refugees than india, they have taken in more refugees and it's their duty as the home of subcontinental Muslims and as a country formed in the name of islam.

To entertain the argument, let's apply the arbitrary and unrealistic moral standard you've proposed, suggesting that Pakistan has a duty 'as the home of subcontinental Muslims'. However, a flaw in this argument arises from the fact that Myanmar is not located within the subcontinent.

Myanmar is a Southeast Asian nation, and the Partition occurred 75 years ago.

Even if Pakistan were deemed the divine homeland for subcontinental Muslims, it wouldn't bear responsibility for refugees from Myanmar, as Myanmar lies outside South Asia. I've mentioned this previously, but it seems you're having difficulty grasping this fact.

To reiterate my main point, the Partition occurred 75 years ago, fulfilling its intended purpose. Pakistan is no longer accountable for Muslims in mainland India, as the majority of them weren't even born at the time of partition.
 
Good Idea :genius

Pakistan and Bangladesh should work together to implement this plan. We'll see how much they can achieve.

@sweep_shot , what are your thoughts on this? Should Bangladesh and Pakistan also implement their own CAA to grant citizenship to Muslims in India? Bangladesh is economically super strong, and they can accommodate.


Why not Pakistan’s citizenship for persecuted Indian Muslims?​


Should Pakistan and Bangladesh then also follow New Delhi and propose the granting of nationality to Indian Muslims facing persecution at the hands of Hindu fanatic groups? In that case, one needs to see if Bangladesh and Pakistan possess the capacity to consider the applications of Indian Muslims if approached.

The option of offering nationality to persecuted segment of Indian population needs to be analysed from two angles.

First, over the period of decades, India has emerged as an economic power house to the extent that it aspires to overtake Germany as the world’s fourth largest economy by 2028. Despite persecution of Indian Muslims and Christians, the Modi regime has got enormous space in economy and foreign policy that it can afford to accept Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains and Christians facing alleged persecution in Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Pakistan. Whereas, even if Bangladesh and Pakistan follow the Modi regime, the two countries lack capacity and resources in this regard. Bangladesh, in view of its close ties with India and pursuing a secular mode of governance, may not adhere to the notion of offering citizenship to persecuted Indian Muslims on religious grounds. The Modi regime, through NRC, has targeted illegal Bangladeshis who live in India particularly in the state of Assam. Popular sentiments in Bangladesh against NRC are gaining momentum but it doesn’t mean that Dhaka will be amenable to the idea of welcoming persecuted Indian Muslims.


Second, principally, the very creation of Pakistan was for the Muslims of the Indian Sub-continent. It is another story that after 1951, the influx of Indian Muslims was stopped in Pakistan. If Pakistan can accommodate over 3 million Afghan refugees in the name of Jihad, why can it not provide space to the Indian Muslims whose lives in India are at stake? Neither Pakistanis nor Bangladeshis have the will and commitment to support the Indian Muslims experiencing widespread state-sponsored persecution. It means, unlike India where the Modi regime is determined to settle the so-called persecuted religious minorities particularly Hindus from Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Pakistan, there is no such hope in the two Muslim neighbours of India.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/245978...for-persecuted-indian-muslims#google_vignette
 
In the two nation theory, the two nations were Muslims and Hindus. The founding fathers of Pakistan had such clarity of thought.

Syed Ahmed Khan: The first of all in this -- In whose hands shall the administration and the Empire of India rest? Now, suppose that all English, and the whole English army, were to leave India, taking with them all their cannon and their splendid weapons and everything, then who would be rulers of India? Is it possible that under these circumstances two nations -- the Mohamedans and the Hindus -- could sit on the same throne and remain equal in power? Most certainly not. It is necessary that one of them should conquer the other and thrust it down. To hope that both could remain equal is to desire the impossible and the inconceivable. At the same time you must remember that although the number of Mohamedans is less than that of the Hindus, and although they contain far fewer people who have received a high English education, yet they must not be thought insignificant or weak. Probably they would be by themselves enough to maintain their own position But suppose they were not. Then our Mussalman brothers, the Pathans, would come out as a swarm of locusts from their mountain valleys, and ake revers of blood to flow from their frontier in the north to the extreme end of Bengal. This thing -- who, after the departure of the English, would be conquerors -- would rest on the will of God. But until one nation had conquered the other and made it obedient, peace could not reign in the land. This conclusion is based on proofs so absolute that no one can deny it.


Please read this clarity of thought, and re-educate yourself about that two nation theory really is.

I have heard this name Syed Ahmed Khan but must confess I don't know much about him. I find it confusing that he refers to Muslims as Mohamedans in the fashion of the British rulers, and also he is titled Sir Syed Ahmed Khan. What was it that earned him that title, as I am assuming it was the British rulers who bestowed it?
 
I have heard this name Syed Ahmed Khan but must confess I don't know much about him. I find it confusing that he refers to Muslims as Mohamedans in the fashion of the British rulers, and also he is titled Sir Syed Ahmed Khan. What was it that earned him that title, as I am assuming it was the British rulers who bestowed it?
A big part of the Aligarh Movement, which led the formation of Pakistan. He is packaged as a reformist, educationist and rationalist muslim. Some prefer him over Iqbal whom they find more emotional. I would say after Allama Iqbal, it would be Syed Ahmed Khan in importance for muslims of the subcontinent.
 
A big part of the Aligarh Movement, which led the formation of Pakistan. He is packaged as a reformist, educationist and rationalist muslim. Some prefer him over Iqbal whom they find more emotional. I would say after Allama Iqbal, it would be Syed Ahmed Khan in importance for muslims of the subcontinent.
I will do some research on this important figure and come back to you as he seems to have been instrumental in this Two Nation theory. I know there was also the counter view that it was wrong to divide Muslims of India along fake nationalist lines, I have a sneaking suspicion that @Mamoon holds to this hardline view, hence why he hates Pakistan with a passion.
 
Bangladesh approves $723m package for Rohingya, host communities

The Bangladesh government on Tuesday approved two separate projects of Taka 84.82 billion ($723 million) for the persecuted Rohingya refugees and host communities in southeastern Cox’s Bazar.

Chaired by Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina, the Executive Committee of the National Economic Council (ECNEC) approved the package. The financing will come from the government and foreign donors.

A total of 13 government agencies will implement the two projects.

The Bangladeshi prime minister earlier called for finding new sources of funding for Rohingya as the funds for the displaced Myanmar nationals have decreased.

About 1.2 million Rohingya are living in the South Asian country. The majority of Rohingya fled a brutal military crackdown in Rakhine, Myanmar in 2017. Most of them are housed in overcrowded camps in Cox’s Bazar, but since late 2020 about 35,000 have been relocated to the island of Bhasan Char.



Tribune
 

Dozens of Rohingya fleeing Myanmar killed in drone attack​


A drone attack on Rohingya fleeing Myanmar killed many dozens of people, including families with children, several witnesses said, describing survivors wandering between piles of bodies to identify dead and injured relatives.

Four witnesses, activists and a diplomat described drone attacks on Monday that struck down families waiting to cross the border into neighbouring Bangladesh.

A heavily pregnant woman and her 2-year-old daughter were among the victims in the attack, the single deadliest known assault on civilians in Rakhine state during recent weeks of fighting between junta troops and rebels.

Three of the witnesses told Reuters on Friday that the Arakan Army was responsible, allegations the group denied. The militia and Myanmar's military blamed each another. Reuters could not verify how many people had died in the attack or independently determine responsibility.

Videos posted to social media showed piles of bodies strewn across muddy ground, their suitcases and backpacks scattered around them. Three survivors said more than 200 had died while a witness to the aftermath said he had seen at least 70 bodies.

Reuters verified the location of the videos as just outside the coastal Myanmar town of Maungdaw. Reuters was not able to independently confirm the date the videos were filmed.

One witness, 35-year-old Mohammed Eleyas, said his pregnant wife and 2-year-old daughter were wounded in the attack and later died. He was standing with them on the shoreline when drones began attacking the crowds, Eleyas told Reuters from a refugee camp in Bangladesh.

"I heard the deafening sound of shelling multiple times,” he said. Eleyas said he lay on the ground to protect himself and when he got up, he saw his wife and daughter critically injured and many of his other relatives dead.

A second witness, Shamsuddin, 28, said he survived with his wife and newborn son. Also speaking from a refugee camp in Bangladesh, he said that after the attack many lay dead and ”some people were shouting out from the pain of their injuries”.

Boats carrying fleeing Rohingya, members of a mostly Muslim minority who face extreme persecution in Myanmar, also sank in the Naf River that separates the two countries on Monday, killing dozens more, according to two witnesses and Bangladesh media.

Medecins Sans Frontieres said in a statement the aid organisation had treated 39 people who had crossed from Myanmar into Bangladesh since Saturday for violence-related injuries, including mortar shell injuries and gunshot wounds. Patients described seeing people bombed while trying to find boats to cross the river, the statement said.

A spokesperson for the United Nations High Commission for Refugees said the agency was “aware of the deaths of refugees from the capsize of two boats in the Bay of Bengal” and it had heard reports of civilian deaths in Maungdaw but that it could not confirm the numbers or circumstances.

FIGHTING IN THE REGION

The Rohingya have been long persecuted in Buddhist-majority Myanmar. More than 730,000 of them fled the country in 2017 after a military-led crackdown that the U.N. said was carried out with genocidal intent.

Myanmar has been in turmoil since the military seized power from a democratically elected government in 2021, and mass protests evolved into widespread armed struggle.

Rohingya have been leaving Rakhine for weeks as the Arakan Army, one of many armed groups fighting, has made sweeping gains in the north, home to a large population of Muslims.

Reuters has previously reported that the militia burned down the largest Rohingya town in May, leaving Maungdaw, which is under siege by the rebels, as the last major Rohingya settlement aside from grim displacement camps further south. The group denied the allegations.

Activist groups condemned this week's attacks. A senior Western diplomat said he had confirmed the reports.

“These reports of hundreds of Rohingya killed at the Bangladesh/Myanmar border are, I’m sorry to say, accurate,” Bob Rae, Canada’s ambassador to the United Nations and a previous special envoy to Myanmar, posted on X on Wednesday.

Myanmar's junta blamed the Arakan Army in a post on its Telegram channel.

The militia denied responsibility. “According to our investigation, family members of terrorists tried to go to Bangladesh from Maungdaw and the junta dropped the bomb because they left without permission,” Arakan Army spokesman Khine Thu Kha told Reuters, referring to Muslims who have joined Rohingya armed groups fighting against the Arakan Army.

TRYING TO GET TO SAFETY

Reuters was able to confirm the location of the videos seen on social media from the position and shape of the mountain and shoreline, which matched file and satellite imagery of the area.

The fencing featured in one of the videos also matched file imagery of the location. The location of the videos matched the area described by Shamsuddin.

Eleyas described how his wife and daughter died in the aftermath of the attack, and his desperate efforts to find a boat that would take them to Bangladesh.

Before his wife died, “We apologised to each other for any wrongs we may have done in our lives,” he said.

Around midnight, he said, he finally found a small boat and managed to cross the border with it.

 

UN warns of potential repeat of 2017 atrocities against Rohingyas​


he United Nations said Friday it fears a repeat of the 2017 atrocities committed against the Rohingya minority in Myanmar, warning a human tragedy was unfolding in Rakhine State.

UN human rights chief Volker Turk voiced grave alarm about the sharply deteriorating situation across Myanmar, particularly in Rakhine where, he said, hundreds of civilians have reportedly been killed while trying to flee fighting.

Clashes have rocked Rakhine since the rebel Arakan Army attacked forces of Myanmar's ruling junta in November, ending a ceasefire that had largely held since a military coup in 2021.

The AA says it is fighting for more autonomy for the ethnic Rakhine population in the state, which is also home to around 600,000 members of the Rohingya Muslim minority.

Hundreds of thousands of Rohingya fled Rakhine in 2017 during a crackdown by the military that is now the subject of a United Nations genocide court case.

"Thousands of Rohingya have been forced to flee on foot, with the Arakan Army herding them repeatedly into locations that offer scant safe haven," Turk said in a statement.

"As the border crossings to Bangladesh remain closed, members of the Rohingya community are finding themselves trapped between the military and its allies and the Arakan Army, with no path to safety."

Bangladesh is now home to around one million Rohingya refugees.

"This month marks seven years since the military operations which drove 700,000 across the border into Bangladesh. Despite the world saying 'never again', we are once more witnessing killings, destruction and displacement in Rakhine," said Turk.

The UN high commissioner for human rights said parties to the armed conflict were denying responsibility for attacks against the Rohingya, which "stretches the bounds of credulity", he said.

The UN Human Rights Office said that according to its information, the military and the Arakan Army have both committed serious human rights violations and abuses against the Rohingya.

These include extrajudicial killings, some involving beheadings; abductions, forced recruitment, indiscriminate bombardments of towns and villages, and arson attacks.

"Both the military and the Arakan Army bear direct responsibility for the human tragedy that is unfolding in Rakhine," said Turk.

"These atrocities demand an unequivocal response: those responsible must be held accountable, and justice must be pursued relentlessly.

"Recurrence of the crimes and horrors of the past must be prevented as a moral duty and a legal necessity."

Turk called on both parties to cease attacks on civilians and urged ASEAN, the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, to take all necessary measures to protect the Rohingya.

 
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