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Under-19 World Cup 2020: Speed Watch

None of these bowlers will replace naseem who is 140-148k or shaheen who isx140-145k, or rauf who is 140-150k,
 
ravisurya said:
ICC needs to start using you instead of the speed guns because clearly the speed guns are wrong.
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Playing with an injury, can't you see from your own eyes? Naseem claimed to be 145k as his top speed, but he managed 148k in an actual game, Amir highest clocked speed is 147k in the nets but he is playing with an injury. Hence not going full throttle.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
Playing with an injury, can't you see from your own eyes? Naseem claimed to be 145k as his top speed, but he managed 148k in an actual game, Amir highest clocked speed is 147k in the nets but he is playing with an injury. Hence not going full throttle.
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Oh please. This is ridiculous.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
Playing with an injury, can't you see from your own eyes? Naseem claimed to be 145k as his top speed, but he managed 148k in an actual game, Amir highest clocked speed is 147k in the nets but he is playing with an injury. Hence not going full throttle.
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Cannot see the injury with my eyes, he seems to be running in fine and even the rest of the Pakistani bowling attack are pretty much trundlers.
 
Amir can’t be injured....running around fine in the field.
 
Almost every time Pak face India, some or the other myths get busted. Now that it has been fact checked that no speed demons in this Pak u19 line-up, I think the myth that Pak is a good t20 team is next in line.
 
Indian bowlers in this WC clearly quicker than pakistani bowlers. That is the reality. No excuses needed.
 
IAJ said:
Indian bowlers in this WC clearly quicker than pakistani bowlers. That is the reality. No excuses needed.
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No excuse needed.
Nasim is quicker than all of them and he is eligible to play here.
 
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JattMaula said:
No excuse needed.
Nasim is quicker than all of them and he is eligible to play here.
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Naseem or any other for that matter can bowl 200 kph, but as long as they are not playing in this WC it doesn’t matter.
 
Tyagi - 145 kph
Akash - 143 kph
Mishra - 141 kph

These are the speeds clocked in this world cup. Can anyone post the top express speeds of Pakistani bowlers in this world cup? :inti
 
Usman Chadda said:
No. Express speeds are the ones that Pakistan's current bowling attack will go on to show the world :)
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None of your under 19 bowlers came even close to 140 ks. All our bowlers clocked higher . This is your express attack? I thought we only had the actually 10 wicket victory. Looks like we haven't spared you guys the moral victories either :yk2
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Tyagi - 145 kph
Akash - 143 kph
Mishra - 141 kph

These are the speeds clocked in this world cup. Can anyone post the top express speeds of Pakistani bowlers in this world cup? :inti
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Once or twice couple of them touched 136k. Mostly operated at 128k to 132k. Also not quick off the pitch.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
None of your under 19 bowlers came even close to 140 ks. All our bowlers clocked higher . This is your express attack? I thought we only had the actually 10 wicket victory. Looks like we haven't spared you guys the moral victories either :yk2
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You need to read my post again.

None of your U19 bowlers are quick. Just because Pakistan served up trundlers, doesn't make these bowlers quick. Were you even watching the game?

No need of moral victories. Don't forget our current national team bowling attack also qualifies for an U19WC, and they are quicker than your current lot :yk
 
Usman Chadda said:
You need to read my post again.

None of your U19 bowlers are quick. Just because Pakistan served up trundlers, doesn't make these bowlers quick. Were you even watching the game?

No need of moral victories. Don't forget our current national team bowling attack also qualifies for an U19WC, and they are quicker than your current lot :yk
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So bowlers who have clocked speeds of 145, 143 and 141 at under 19 level ate not quick enough? :inti Also none of naseem, Musa or Shaheen are less than 20 in terms of actual age. So, no they wouldn't make this team :srini
 
Nikhil_cric said:
So bowlers who have clocked speeds of 145, 143 and 141 at under 19 level ate not quick enough? :inti Also none of naseem, Musa or Shaheen are less than 20 in terms of actual age. So, no they wouldn't make this team :srini
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Did you take their DNA test to confirm your statement? or is your eyes that good that you can tell anyone's age by their looks?
 
No need to behave like sour grapes,avg speed of 86 mph is pretty quick at under 19 level ,kartik tyagi akash sushant have been clocking 140 clicks regularly, kartik and akash clocked 143 -145 easily, kartik is shade quicker.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
So bowlers who have clocked speeds of 145, 143 and 141 at under 19 level ate not quick enough? :inti Also none of naseem, Musa or Shaheen are less than 20 in terms of actual age. So, no they wouldn't make this team :srini
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No doubt India had faster bowlers in this WC but you need to calm down. Firstly Naseem and co have the officiall age which is presented. It’s up to ICC to monitor that if they are concerned.

Besides the current indian u19 players will soon be playing senior cricket and then they will be compared to guys like Naseem, Hasnain etc. Then we will talk again:)
 
Hyperion66 said:
Almost every time Pak face India, some or the other myths get busted. Now that it has been fact checked that no speed demons in this Pak u19 line-up, I think the myth that Pak is a good t20 team is next in line.
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The reason is that most of PP still haven’t “adjusted” themselves to the state of PAK cricket.

There are no myths - mostly, actually every such myths were facts when I started watching cricket and more or less valid till late 1990s - more specifically till when Counties stopped hiring PAK youngsters.

Which are those myths - bowling skill, pace spin, variation? Absolutely no comparison - not even in 1950s, when Fazal & Khan Mo was there.

Even in batting actually PAK batting till 90s was more dynamic & a treat to watch. Talk to any senior citizens of your family - if he/she is a genuine cricket enthusiast, will tell you what was Zaheer, Mazid, Javed or even Salim Malik, Wasim Raza, Mohsin Khan, Asif Iqbal, Mushi Mo. They were not only aggressive and stylish, but most importantly- extremely cunning, calculative - some of the best chases in the game were led by PAK batsmen, because they were groomed in a system where you know how to use your head, rather than believing in Larke Lenge style.

I believe you have seen Saeed & Inzi - this two were 90s’ class and decided not to go to Counties - what you can see now Inzi & Saeed are the spillovers if a rotten system; had these two went for Counties just for 3-4 years between 1990-1994 ..... At their start both Saeed & Lara were scintillating lefti strike makers & I actually liked Saeed more for his wristy elegance till 1992-3. In 1990, BC went to the laps of Woolmer at Warwickshire, in 4 years time he scored 501, 375 .... Saeed went to PIA & Habib bank, on the laps of the predecessors of Basit Ali & Ijaz Ahmed; otherwise that guy could have been as good as any one, trust me - any one.

This morally corrupt guy Ul Haq - at the pick of unprofessional life style and being born as at least 3-4 years old, showed the world glimpses of what he could have been, at the official age of ~35, under a pro coach for just couple of years - imagine this guy joining Counties under Woolmer or Fletcher or Mickey Stewart in his early 20s just for 3 years .... I have seen archives of Viv at his peak - after him, this guy Ul Haq had the most time to adjust position & spank the fastest of bowlers on either feet - he spent his energy mostly on digesting halua, paya, nehari, biriyani... and sometimes chasing fans with a bat in cricket field!!!!

Saqline came with absolute genius, God gifted talented - he was the only one who tamed Indian famous batting lineup at their home - and the guy wasn’t born as 6 years old, may be 1-2-3, but not 6 .... he lasted half a decade, and faded away at the official age of 27 ...... because of self & institutional mismanagement. Late A Qadir was even better - trust me, could have been where Warne is today and he was arguably better batsman as well - never worked on his game, fitness ... in-fact never bothered to listen. He respected Imran, so the guy could handle him .... otherwise bring Bradman or Sobers - Qadir would have taught them cricket - that’s the problem with attitude, not cricket. And, no one will ever be able to explain what was Wasim Akram - you can’t explain that with stats, words, epics, myths .... just simply God’s one unique creation of a master piece.

There is only one myth - “Pakistan may talunt bahut hai”, which is really catching many in tight corners these day here. And, most disgusting is that the frustrations these days are being dished out randomly at every directions, which is making it difficult for some of us to coexist here in PP. Otherwise, more or less, rest “were” facts - as a keen cricket enthusiast heading into fourth decade, I’ll put my reputation at stake on this.
 
IAJ said:
No doubt India had faster bowlers in this WC but you need to calm down. Firstly Naseem and co have the officiall age which is presented. It’s up to ICC to monitor that if they are concerned.

Besides the current indian u19 players will soon be playing senior cricket and then they will be compared to guys like Naseem, Hasnain etc. Then we will talk again:)
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I respect the fact you have good bowling talents but many were implying that our u19 were trundlers. They have decent pace for their age group which they have shown throughout this world cup. Nobody said that they have the potential of Shaheen or hasnain .
 
MMHS said:
The reason is that most of PP still haven’t “adjusted” themselves to the state of PAK cricket.

There are no myths - mostly, actually every such myths were facts when I started watching cricket and more or less valid till late 1990s - more specifically till when Counties stopped hiring PAK youngsters.

Which are those myths - bowling skill, pace spin, variation? Absolutely no comparison - not even in 1950s, when Fazal & Khan Mo was there.

Even in batting actually PAK batting till 90s was more dynamic & a treat to watch. Talk to any senior citizens of your family - if he/she is a genuine cricket enthusiast, will tell you what was Zaheer, Mazid, Javed or even Salim Malik, Wasim Raza, Mohsin Khan, Asif Iqbal, Mushi Mo. They were not only aggressive and stylish, but most importantly- extremely cunning, calculative - some of the best chases in the game were led by PAK batsmen, because they were groomed in a system where you know how to use your head, rather than believing in Larke Lenge style.

I believe you have seen Saeed & Inzi - this two were 90s’ class and decided not to go to Counties - what you can see now Inzi & Saeed are the spillovers if a rotten system; had these two went for Counties just for 3-4 years between 1990-1994 ..... At their start both Saeed & Lara were scintillating lefti strike makers & I actually liked Saeed more for his wristy elegance till 1992-3. In 1990, BC went to the laps of Woolmer at Warwickshire, in 4 years time he scored 501, 375 .... Saeed went to PIA & Habib bank, on the laps of the predecessors of Basit Ali & Ijaz Ahmed; otherwise that guy could have been as good as any one, trust me - any one.

This morally corrupt guy Ul Haq - at the pick of unprofessional life style and being born as at least 3-4 years old, showed the world glimpses of what he could have been, at the official age of ~35, under a pro coach for just couple of years - imagine this guy joining Counties under Woolmer or Fletcher or Mickey Stewart in his early 20s just for 3 years .... I have seen archives of Viv at his peak - after him, this guy Ul Haq had the most time to adjust position & spank the fastest of bowlers on either feet - he spent his energy mostly on digesting halua, paya, nehari, biriyani... and sometimes chasing fans with a bat in cricket field!!!!

Saqline came with absolute genius, God gifted talented - he was the only one who tamed Indian famous batting lineup at their home - and the guy wasn’t born as 6 years old, may be 1-2-3, but not 6 .... he lasted half a decade, and faded away at the official age of 27 ...... because of self & institutional mismanagement. Late A Qadir was even better - trust me, could have been where Warne is today and he was arguably better batsman as well - never worked on his game, fitness ... in-fact never bothered to listen. He respected Imran, so the guy could handle him .... otherwise bring Bradman or Sobers - Qadir would have taught them cricket - that’s the problem with attitude, not cricket. And, no one will ever be able to explain what was Wasim Akram - you can’t explain that with stats, words, epics, myths .... just simply God’s one unique creation of a master piece.

There is only one myth - “Pakistan may talunt bahut hai”, which is really catching many in tight corners these day here. And, most disgusting is that the frustrations these days are being dished out randomly at every directions, which is making it difficult for some of us to coexist here in PP. Otherwise, more or less, rest “were” facts - as a keen cricket enthusiast heading into fourth decade, I’ll put my reputation at stake on this.
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Sirji Pak was an insanely talented bunch in 80s and 90s, not denying that at all. My post was based on the more recent encounters. Anyways informative post from you as always.
 
Hyperion66 said:
Sirji Pak was an insanely talented bunch in 80s and 90s, not denying that at all. My post was based on the more recent encounters. Anyways informative post from you as always.
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:)

Not "talented" - that's a cursed word. They were better groomed through a professional system - natural talent is always there and that's not only in PAK. Any game (or skill) if passionately followed by mass, there will be few exceptionally good in that particular trait - add to that professional grooming and physical attributes like height, body weight, muscle structure..... Sports talent is natural - it's the culture that encourages youngsters to dedicate time into a sports and system that produces few top professionals among many, many such natural talents.

PAK has brought the highest number of U19 WC players into national set-up in last few years ... from that team of 2008 itself, there are 10 players with PAK caps. The difference is that 40 years back, English Counties could hire unlimited foreigners (4 in playing XI), which isn't there now. Otherwise, take this guy Hammad Azam - in 2012 WC, he played an insanely cool 89*, could bowl at ~140K speed ... or take this guy Umar Akmal - at 18, smashed rampant Bond either side of squire on either feet to make a 121 on debut in 3 hours on a green top, then scored a scintillating 104* against Murali in his 1st ODI innings; he made a 250+ in 4 hours in PAK domestics on a dog-peed track before turning 19 ..... instead of early 2010s, if it was early 1970s, these guys would have landed at the west shore of English channel within 2-3 months .... rest would have been history.

Most of PP still believes it was because of superior Pakistani gin .... hence, I love to pull legs a bit, when it gets beyond decency level :)
 
IAJ said:
No doubt India had faster bowlers in this WC but you need to calm down. Firstly Naseem and co have the officiall age which is presented. It’s up to ICC to monitor that if they are concerned.

Besides the current indian u19 players will soon be playing senior cricket and then they will be compared to guys like Naseem, Hasnain etc. Then we will talk again:)
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Current U19 players are atleast 3-4 years away from playing for the senior team. The 2018 team players are currently waiting their turn.
 
MMHS said:
The reason is that most of PP still haven’t “adjusted” themselves to the state of PAK cricket.

There are no myths - mostly, actually every such myths were facts when I started watching cricket and more or less valid till late 1990s - more specifically till when Counties stopped hiring PAK youngsters.

Which are those myths - bowling skill, pace spin, variation? Absolutely no comparison - not even in 1950s, when Fazal & Khan Mo was there.

Even in batting actually PAK batting till 90s was more dynamic & a treat to watch. Talk to any senior citizens of your family - if he/she is a genuine cricket enthusiast, will tell you what was Zaheer, Mazid, Javed or even Salim Malik, Wasim Raza, Mohsin Khan, Asif Iqbal, Mushi Mo. They were not only aggressive and stylish, but most importantly- extremely cunning, calculative - some of the best chases in the game were led by PAK batsmen, because they were groomed in a system where you know how to use your head, rather than believing in Larke Lenge style.

I believe you have seen Saeed & Inzi - this two were 90s’ class and decided not to go to Counties - what you can see now Inzi & Saeed are the spillovers if a rotten system; had these two went for Counties just for 3-4 years between 1990-1994 ..... At their start both Saeed & Lara were scintillating lefti strike makers & I actually liked Saeed more for his wristy elegance till 1992-3. In 1990, BC went to the laps of Woolmer at Warwickshire, in 4 years time he scored 501, 375 .... Saeed went to PIA & Habib bank, on the laps of the predecessors of Basit Ali & Ijaz Ahmed; otherwise that guy could have been as good as any one, trust me - any one.

This morally corrupt guy Ul Haq - at the pick of unprofessional life style and being born as at least 3-4 years old, showed the world glimpses of what he could have been, at the official age of ~35, under a pro coach for just couple of years - imagine this guy joining Counties under Woolmer or Fletcher or Mickey Stewart in his early 20s just for 3 years .... I have seen archives of Viv at his peak - after him, this guy Ul Haq had the most time to adjust position & spank the fastest of bowlers on either feet - he spent his energy mostly on digesting halua, paya, nehari, biriyani... and sometimes chasing fans with a bat in cricket field!!!!

Saqline came with absolute genius, God gifted talented - he was the only one who tamed Indian famous batting lineup at their home - and the guy wasn’t born as 6 years old, may be 1-2-3, but not 6 .... he lasted half a decade, and faded away at the official age of 27 ...... because of self & institutional mismanagement. Late A Qadir was even better - trust me, could have been where Warne is today and he was arguably better batsman as well - never worked on his game, fitness ... in-fact never bothered to listen. He respected Imran, so the guy could handle him .... otherwise bring Bradman or Sobers - Qadir would have taught them cricket - that’s the problem with attitude, not cricket. And, no one will ever be able to explain what was Wasim Akram - you can’t explain that with stats, words, epics, myths .... just simply God’s one unique creation of a master piece.

There is only one myth - “Pakistan may talunt bahut hai”, which is really catching many in tight corners these day here. And, most disgusting is that the frustrations these days are being dished out randomly at every directions, which is making it difficult for some of us to coexist here in PP. Otherwise, more or less, rest “were” facts - as a keen cricket enthusiast heading into fourth decade, I’ll put my reputation at stake on this.
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Are you being sarcastic?
 
Hyperion66 said:
Almost every time Pak face India, some or the other myths get busted. Now that it has been fact checked that no speed demons in this Pak u19 line-up, I think the myth that Pak is a good t20 team is next in line.
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Speed demon from this U19 batch has already graduated to international level and got his first test fifer in his 3rd match.

How many each batch is supposed to produce? :riaz

Also people are writing Amir Khan’s pace pretty early. To my understanding he wasnt fully fit but all will be cleared in the next televised match I think.
 
Titan24 said:
Speed demon from this U19 batch has already graduated to international level and got his first test fifer in his 3rd match.

How many each batch is supposed to produce? :riaz

Also people are writing Amir Khan’s pace pretty early. To my understanding he wasnt fully fit but all will be cleared in the next televised match I think.
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Shivam Mavi, Kamlesh nagarkoti both bowled faster than anyone else in the last world cup. Tyagi is as quick as Naseem shah.
 
Manunited18 said:
Tyagi is shaeen pace, naseem can get up to 148k, hasnain can get up to 150+,
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Karthik consistently bowls in the 140 to 145 range. He is definitely faster than Shaheen. Probably naseem, hasnain few kms quicker. Akash singh, Sushant both hit 140k consistently. Right through their spell.
We would have know had they played in this world cup. Unless we see all of them in the same tournament where the reading method is the same we cannot conclude anything.
 
For the record Pandya has touched 145k and once 148k a few times. So let us not get carried away with this "release speed" that we see on the screen.
 
Titan24 said:
Speed demon from this U19 batch has already graduated to international level and got his first test fifer in his 3rd match.

How many each batch is supposed to produce? :riaz

Also people are writing Amir Khan’s pace pretty early. To my understanding he wasnt fully fit but all will be cleared in the next televised match I think.
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No one disputed that Naseem is fast, no idea why do you bring something like that for validation when this is already common knowledge. I was clearly taking a dig at those posters who were undermining Indian bowlers and hyping up Amir before this match. Also whatever little I have seen of Amir he didn't look injured or unfit at all. Has he recently come out of an injury or something like that? If yes then the drop of pace is fully understandable.
 
Hyperion66 said:
No one disputed that Naseem is fast, no idea why do you bring something like that for validation when this is already common knowledge. I was clearly taking a dig at those posters who were undermining Indian bowlers and hyping up Amir before this match. Also whatever little I have seen of Amir he didn't look injured or unfit at all. Has he recently come out of an injury or something like that? If yes then the drop of pace is fully understandable.
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Surprised by Sushant. Everyone was talking about Tyagi/Akash singh. But this guy is just as quick and mean. They had no answer for his fast bouncers.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
So bowlers who have clocked speeds of 145, 143 and 141 at under 19 level ate not quick enough? :inti Also none of naseem, Musa or Shaheen are less than 20 in terms of actual age. So, no they wouldn't make this team :srini
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I'm not sure why someone saying they are not express is irritating you lot. They are not express by any stretch of imagination. These kids hovered around 132-135 KPH for majority of their spells, besides Mishra touching 140 KPH here and there. I don't think you watched the game :inti

Pakistan and India both had atleast two much faster bowlers in the last World Cup.

Also damn, care to share this intimate information about the ages of our players? Or is it conjecture/sour grapes? :yk
 
cricketjoshila said:
Dna test can tell age?
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"There are DNA tests that look at telomeres at the ends of chromosomes, which shorten with age. These shorten over time and reveal “biological age” which is related to but not the same actual calendar years."

Let me know if that helps.
 
Usman Chadda said:
I'm not sure why someone saying they are not express is irritating you lot. They are not express by any stretch of imagination. These kids hovered around 132-135 KPH for majority of their spells, besides Mishra touching 140 KPH here and there. I don't think you watched the game :inti

Pakistan and India both had atleast two much faster bowlers in the last World Cup.

Also damn, care to share this intimate information about the ages of our players? Or is it conjecture/sour grapes? :yk
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Here and there? He consistently clocked 138k and 140k. Even with many slower balls Tyagi averaged 139k half way through. Not here and there. Pakistan bowlers had an average speed 10k lower than Indian counter parts. If it makes you happy Australian bowlers were slower too. They were mostly in the 125k range. SA bowler was genuinely quick. But just one. That West Indian bowler was very quick. But as a team commies said India has the fastest bowling unit. They proved it today with aggressive fast bowling. There was no real trundling speed like 125k unless they attempted a slower one.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Shivam Mavi, Kamlesh nagarkoti both bowled faster than anyone else in the last world cup. Tyagi is as quick as Naseem shah.
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Nopes. Musa bowled quicker than Mavi and was as quick as Nagarkotti if not quicker in the india pak match. Go check the speeds.
Lol naseem 's first over in test cricket had three deliveries ovee 147 kph. Tyagi is nowhere near as quick.

Stop with the hyperbole.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Here and there? He consistently clocked 138k and 140k. Even with many slower balls Tyagi averaged 139k half way through. Not here and there. Pakistan bowlers had an average speed 10k lower than Indian counter parts. If it makes you happy Australian bowlers were slower too. They were mostly in the 125k range. SA bowler was genuinely quick. But just one. That West Indian bowler was very quick. But as a team commies said India has the fastest bowling unit. They proved it today with aggressive fast bowling. There was no real trundling speed like 125k unless they attempted a slower one.
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Look I don't want to get into this lame argument, as it's really a hollow one. Can we have some data where Tyagi was averaging 139k? I doubt Mishra was averaging that much, even though he looked the fastest comfortably. Put up their average speeds, and I'll concede. I watched the game, and all of them were hovering around 132-135 KPH, with Mishra touching 140 KPH here and there as I mentioned.

Yes, West Indies and South Africa had one bowler each you would call genuinely quick.

Pakistan bowlers are not the barometer of success, so stop bringing that up :inti
 
ethan hunt said:
Nopes. Musa bowled quicker than Mavi and was as quick as Nagarkotti if not quicker in the india pak match. Go check the speeds.
Lol naseem 's first over in test cricket had three deliveries ovee 147 kph. Tyagi is nowhere near as quick.

Stop with the hyperbole.
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Where did he play the Test? it was in Australia. In Australia the reading method is different. They choose the higher speed not the median speed. There was once Ishant averaged 145k in a test match. Umesh 144k in a test match. In Australia all the recorded speeds are higher than the average speed.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Look I don't want to get into this lame argument, as it's really a hollow one. Can we have some data where Tyagi was averaging 139k? I doubt Mishra was averaging that much, even though he looked the fastest comfortably. Put up their average speeds, and I'll concede. I watched the game, and all of them were hovering around 132-135 KPH, with Mishra touching 140 KPH here and there as I mentioned.

Yes, West Indies and South Africa had one bowler each you would call genuinely quick.

Pakistan bowlers are not the barometer of success, so stop bringing that up :inti
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Once i get the full video i will check the snap shot. They hardly bowled at 132k. Most of them above 135k including a lot of slower balls.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Where did he play the Test? it was in Australia. In Australia the reading method is different. They choose the higher speed not the median speed. There was once Ishant averaged 145k in a test match. Umesh 144k in a test match. In Australia all the recorded speeds are higher than the average speed.
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What sort of absurd logic is that?
He was quicker than starc on the same speed guns.
Stop putting Tyagi in the same bracket.

Also share these readings where Ishant averaged 145 kph in a test match please
 
ethan hunt said:
What sort of absurd logic is that?
He was quicker than starc on the same speed guns.
Stop putting Tyagi in the same bracket.

Also share these readings where Ishant averaged 145 kph in a test match please
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It was the white wash series. Right through the Test match Ishant averaged 145k, Umesh 144k. This is something that is a well known fact for years. YOu could go back to 90s. Speed reading in Australia is always 2 or 3 kms higher. They are highly erratic. I never trust Australian speed guns.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11546141
 
Paka Lahori said:
"There are DNA tests that look at telomeres at the ends of chromosomes, which shorten with age. These shorten over time and reveal “biological age” which is related to but not the same actual calendar years."

Let me know if that helps.
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Do read it yourself. Telomere shortening cannot reveal exact calender age.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Karthik consistently bowls in the 140 to 145 range. He is definitely faster than Shaheen. Probably naseem, hasnain few kms quicker. Akash singh, Sushant both hit 140k consistently. Right through their spell.
We would have know had they played in this world cup. Unless we see all of them in the same tournament where the reading method is the same we cannot conclude anything.
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Nope, these bowlers are all shaheens pace, hasnain rauf and naseem are a good yard quicker
 
Hyperion66 said:
No one disputed that Naseem is fast, no idea why do you bring something like that for validation when this is already common knowledge. I was clearly taking a dig at those posters who were undermining Indian bowlers and hyping up Amir before this match. Also whatever little I have seen of Amir he didn't look injured or unfit at all. Has he recently come out of an injury or something like that? If yes then the drop of pace is fully understandable.
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I agree, Indian attack in this world cup is comfortably quickest
 
Not a single bowl from Pakistan attack was 135 plus...Indian were lacy and sharp.. better nutrition and diet may be.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
It was the white wash series. Right through the Test match Ishant averaged 145k, Umesh 144k. This is something that is a well known fact for years. YOu could go back to 90s. Speed reading in Australia is always 2 or 3 kms higher. They are highly erratic. I never trust Australian speed guns.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11546141
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Naseem clocked 147-148 in SL series too. He is on average 5-7 kph faster than Tyagi on average speed. He was faster than Starc on average in the match that they both played. Yes Tyagi is good but no don't compare him to Naseem in terms of pace
 
Nikhil_cric said:
So bowlers who have clocked speeds of 145, 143 and 141 at under 19 level ate not quick enough? :inti Also none of naseem, Musa or Shaheen are less than 20 in terms of actual age. So, no they wouldn't make this team :srini
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A bit rich to go on about age when you won a WC with multiple age cheats.

Space Cat was right, this was probably a U23 vs U23 team match in reality.
 
Aman said:
A bit rich to go on about age when you won a WC with multiple age cheats.

Space Cat was right, this was probably a U23 vs U23 team match in reality.
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Just one guy by a few days. India caught him and punished him. Not Multiple. Nobody is 23 in India. Stop making up man. His career will be permanently over. It is very very easy to track in India. Compared to some of hte NZ players appearance thes guys looks like they are toddlers lol.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Shivam Mavi, Kamlesh nagarkoti both bowled faster than anyone else in the last world cup. Tyagi is as quick as Naseem shah.
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You need to get your eye sight checked naseem bowled 92mph in aus and his average speed after 20over spell was 143 just 2kph slower than fastest he bowled in this tournament and 1.6 kph faster than his fastest in this match besides he has mantained average speed of 140+ in all innings he has bowled he is easily quicker than most of indian senior bowlers and for your information musa
Was quicker than mavi in previous u19 wc
 
Usman Chadda said:
I'm not sure why someone saying they are not express is irritating you lot. They are not express by any stretch of imagination. These kids hovered around 132-135 KPH for majority of their spells, besides Mishra touching 140 KPH here and there. I don't think you watched the game :inti

Pakistan and India both had atleast two much faster bowlers in the last World Cup.

Also damn, care to share this intimate information about the ages of our players? Or is it conjecture/sour grapes? :yk
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Its not just about this game. Our bowlers have clocked 140+ in this tournament as a whole. Nobody bowls express speeds at this age so I was wondering what was the need for that comment unless of course Pakistani speedsters were consistently breaking the 150 mark. But considering they barely touched 137.... :inti
 
Kingpin786 said:
You need to get your eye sight checked naseem bowled 92mph in aus and his average speed after 20over spell was 143 just 2kph slower than fastest he bowled in this tournament and 1.6 kph faster than his fastest in this match besides he has mantained average speed of 140+ in all innings he has bowled he is easily quicker than most of indian senior bowlers and for your information musa
Was quicker than mavi in previous u19 wc
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Nagakoti bowled the fastest delivery in that world cup. Also in a g iven match his average speed against Australia was 143.6 including slower balls as well. If you really have doubt ping Ian Bishop ask him who was the fastest bowler in 2018 world cup. He was the one who monitored the speed of all fast bowlers in that world cup raved huge praise on Nagarkoti and Mavi. Mavi was not as quick as Nagarkoti . Still his average speed was around 142 in that Australian match including slower balls.
 
Somehow people have managed to drag this thread in different direction. We are talking about bowlers who bowled in the world cup. Not who are not part of the world cup. Let us not talk about "speed demons" who may or may not have matched these guys . They are not here. So let us not talk about hypothesis. In 2018 Indian under-19 bunch was the fastest. This edition they are comfortably the fastest on scene.
 
Kingpin786 said:
If you have any evidence to prove your claims please go ahead
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its the other way round as regards burden of proof, he wasn't the one making the claim. only 1 guy got caught age cheating and even his case is not conclusive from what i know. The juniors TM esp rahul dravid are quite severe on age cheats.
 
It is official that mavi was the culpri if you have any proof against pak u19 please provide
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Somehow people have managed to drag this thread in different direction. We are talking about bowlers who bowled in the world cup. Not who are not part of the world cup. Let us not talk about "speed demons" who may or may not have matched these guys . They are not here. So let us not talk about hypothesis. In 2018 Indian under-19 bunch was the fastest. This edition they are comfortably the fastest on scene.
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Pakistan had musa who was second fastest behind nagarkoti and shaheen bowled up to 89mph and he had height advantage of at least 20 to 25 cm on both indian speedsters
 
These tearaway Pakistani youngsters could not take a single Indian wicket. So Pakistan clearly needs super tearway bowlers bowling in excess of 160 kmph. :srini
 
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