United Nations response on Kashmir issue

[Hermoine Green]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"We are deeply concerned that the latest restrictions in Indian-Administered Kashmir will exacerbate the human rights situation in the region" -- <a href="https://twitter.com/UNHumanRights?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UNHumanRights</a> spokesperson<br><br> <a href="https://t.co/C4AStqa3tV">pic.twitter.com/C4AStqa3tV</a></p>— United Nations (@UN) <a href="https://twitter.com/UN/status/1159134102915887104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Pakistanian]

NATO should impose a no-fly zone like they did over Iraq in '91 and created a Kurdish autonomous region.

 

[Mueez]

No but it is for the best will for Kashmiris...



See how some will defend this.

 

[xbronze]

NATO should impose a no-fly zone like they did over Iraq in '91 and created a Kurdish autonomous region.

Why hasn't Pakistan foreign office asked NATO to do that yet? Oh wait, I take that back. Maybe that is because Pakistan is not a member of NATO, and NATO nations interests are not involved in Kashmir. And NATO being not so excited to take orders from Pakistan.

The only order that NATO takes regularly from Pakistan are 'purchase orders for toys for the army' whereby NATO sells overpriced arms to Pakistan.

That is the reason NATO termed Pakistan a 'Major Non-NATO ally' nation (whose job it is to regularly beg for money from China, UAE, Saudi, Qatar, and then turn around and give it to NATO for outdated overpriced military toys for the Pakistan army).

An absolute nice deal...for NATO (to have someone to sell their used outdate overpriced toys to). Great deal for China (so it can keep lending billions to Pakistan at cut throat interest rates compounding annually). An absolute good deal for Pakistan (as Pakistanis are always fantasizing about Ghazwa-e-Hind, even though their economy is based on begging for money from others).

Greatest deal for India (as Pakistan bankrupts itself more and more and has fewer military options left, while India integrates Indian Kashmir and then moves to integrate Pakistan occupied Kashmir).

UN can keep tweeting

 

[saeed5646]

Why hasn't Pakistan foreign office asked NATO to do that yet? Oh wait, I take that back. Maybe that is because Pakistan is not a member of NATO, and NATO nations interests are not involved in Kashmir. And NATO being not so excited to take orders from Pakistan.

The only order that NATO takes regularly from Pakistan are 'purchase orders for toys for the army' whereby NATO sells overpriced arms to Pakistan.

That is the reason NATO termed Pakistan a 'Major Non-NATO ally' nation (whose job it is to regularly beg for money from China, UAE, Saudi, Qatar, and then turn around and give it to NATO for outdated overpriced military toys for the Pakistan army).

An absolute nice deal...for NATO (to have someone to sell their used outdate overpriced toys to). Great deal for China (so it can keep lending billions to Pakistan at cut throat interest rates compounding annually). An absolute good deal for Pakistan (as Pakistanis are always fantasizing about Ghazwa-e-Hind, even though their economy is based on begging for money from others).

Greatest deal for India (as Pakistan bankrupts itself more and more and has fewer military options left, while India integrates Indian Kashmir and then moves to integrate Pakistan occupied Kashmir).

UN can keep tweeting

Un can keep tweeting.
America are face saving their president trump earlier meditation offer.
You bakhat comes up with some ridiculous excuses

 

[xbronze]

Un can keep tweeting.
America are face saving their president trump earlier meditation offer.
You bakhat comes up with some ridiculous excuses &#55358;&#56611;&#55357;&#56396;&#55357;&#56834;

That bolded part is important. President Trump's offer of mediation to Imran Khan in my opinion was a cunning masterstroke by Trump and Modi (who both knew that Modi was soon going to tear apart article 370). Trump gave false hopes to Pakistan that he is going to mediate in Kashmir. Pakistani awam were overjoyed and brought out the dhol and baja to celebrate their 'Kashmir victory'.

Modi as usual kept quiet like a fox. He did not utter a word even when Indian media were roasting him for Trump's statement that Modi had requested Trump to please intervene on Kashmir. Pakistani media were overjoyed that Modi is actually scared and crying in front of Trump for help.

What happened? Modi went ahead and threw article 370 into the garbage bin. Now all Indians have the option to go and settle in Kashmir including buying land and marrying with Kashmiris.

Thre is news that Modi, Shah, Doval now have their eyes on Pakistan occupied Kashmir.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Pretty damning by the UN.

India should stop playing anything or talking to the UN let alone begging for a seat on the UNSC.

 

[PetroDollars]

For indians it doesnt matter because Maldives have issued a statement in there favor and fiji is getting one ready.

 

[xbronze]

Pretty damning by the UN.

India should stop playing anything or talking to the UN let alone begging for a seat on the UNSC.

I agree. The latest news from India is that Modi and Shah are having back channel talks with the UN on reversing Modi's action regarding article 370. And all due to this UN tweet.

 

[Syed1]

For indians it doesnt matter because Maldives have issued a statement in there favor and fiji is getting one ready.

I hear the Cayman Islands are firing up their printer as we speak

 

[msaaim89]

NATO should impose a no-fly zone like they did over Iraq in '91 and created a Kurdish autonomous region.

All NATO cares about is a non-existant Russian boogeyman. So can't expect anything from them.

 

[Swashbuckler]

In a way Pakistan (may be even Kashmiris) will prefer a bozo like Modi in power. He has managed to do something his predecessors couldn't, internationalize the Kashmir issue.

This well respected Indian journalist was prescient before all this happened.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">let's remember demonetisation was welcomed with the same euphoria by those cheering today. it was backed by the same ludicrous pretexts that shah dished out today. it won them UP & we're still suffering the consequence. yet in comparison to today's move it was almost intelligent <a href="https://t.co/0Uley0oA3E">https://t.co/0Uley0oA3E</a></p>— Hartosh Singh Bal (@HartoshSinghBal) <a href="https://twitter.com/HartoshSinghBal/status/1158431803671109632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Abdullah719]

Stay on topic.

 

[Hermoine Green]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Upcoming protests around the world for Kashmiris. One in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and the other in Berlin, Germany. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a> <a href="https://t.co/ye6YLeeFqY">pic.twitter.com/ye6YLeeFqY</a></p>— F. Jeffery (@Natsecjeff) <a href="https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1159191434978877442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[saeed5646]

That bolded part is important. President Trump's offer of mediation to Imran Khan in my opinion was a cunning masterstroke by Trump and Modi (who both knew that Modi was soon going to tear apart article 370). Trump gave false hopes to Pakistan that he is going to mediate in Kashmir. Pakistani awam were overjoyed and brought out the dhol and baja to celebrate their 'Kashmir victory'.

Modi as usual kept quiet like a fox. He did not utter a word even when Indian media were roasting him for Trump's statement that Modi had requested Trump to please intervene on Kashmir. Pakistani media were overjoyed that Modi is actually scared and crying in front of Trump for help.

What happened? Modi went ahead and threw article 370 into the garbage bin. Now all Indians have the option to go and settle in Kashmir including buying land and marrying with Kashmiris.

Thre is news that Modi, Shah, Doval now have their eyes on Pakistan occupied Kashmir.

OH man
My legs are shivering .So are you confidence pakistan will give AK to india on plate ?I would love to see india try on it .So we can have more faces like that

 

[pakistani pride]

That bolded part is important. President Trump's offer of mediation to Imran Khan in my opinion was a cunning masterstroke by Trump and Modi (who both knew that Modi was soon going to tear apart article 370). Trump gave false hopes to Pakistan that he is going to mediate in Kashmir. Pakistani awam were overjoyed and brought out the dhol and baja to celebrate their 'Kashmir victory'.

Modi as usual kept quiet like a fox. He did not utter a word even when Indian media were roasting him for Trump's statement that Modi had requested Trump to please intervene on Kashmir. Pakistani media were overjoyed that Modi is actually scared and crying in front of Trump for help.

What happened? Modi went ahead and threw article 370 into the garbage bin. Now all Indians have the option to go and settle in Kashmir including buying land and marrying with Kashmiris.

Thre is news that Modi, Shah, Doval now have their eyes on Pakistan occupied Kashmir.

Once again? Not ALL pakistanis are obsessed with Kashmir and surely not with IAK. What India does in IAK is Indias and the Kashimiris living their problems.

Perhaps its sounds hard but PAK has other issues to worry about.

And LOL at pakistanis being happy over Trumps remark. Many US leaders came and went but no one will solve the Kashmir issue.

 

[MRSN]

In a way Pakistan (may be even Kashmiris) will prefer a bozo like Modi in power. He has managed to do something his predecessors couldn't, internationalize the Kashmir issue.

This well respected Indian journalist was prescient before all this happened.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">let's remember demonetisation was welcomed with the same euphoria by those cheering today. it was backed by the same ludicrous pretexts that shah dished out today. it won them UP & we're still suffering the consequence. yet in comparison to today's move it was almost intelligent <a href="https://t.co/0Uley0oA3E">https://t.co/0Uley0oA3E</a></p>— Hartosh Singh Bal (@HartoshSinghBal) <a href="https://twitter.com/HartoshSinghBal/status/1158431803671109632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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A state like India NEEDS a secular/liberal leader and party to be successful otherwise most resources and efforts will go wasted to satisfy extremists fascists. Modi is not being a clever diplomat but a very bully dictator who is happy with his moves without thinking out the consequences. The longer he stays the more backward India will go.

 

[MRSN]

Also it's amazing to see the level of International support India has lost vs support Pakistan has got. Definitely Modi has been a downfall of India's diplomacy otherwise Pakistan's point of view was never even heard of. Now we see US president echoing our PM. Amazing time change. Even Russian president gave IK more importance than Indian PM.

 

[Finisher]

Why hasn't Pakistan foreign office asked NATO to do that yet? Oh wait, I take that back. Maybe that is because Pakistan is not a member of NATO, and NATO nations interests are not involved in Kashmir. And NATO being not so excited to take orders from Pakistan.

The only order that NATO takes regularly from Pakistan are 'purchase orders for toys for the army' whereby NATO sells overpriced arms to Pakistan.

That is the reason NATO termed Pakistan a 'Major Non-NATO ally' nation (whose job it is to regularly beg for money from China, UAE, Saudi, Qatar, and then turn around and give it to NATO for outdated overpriced military toys for the Pakistan army).

An absolute nice deal...for NATO (to have someone to sell their used outdate overpriced toys to). Great deal for China (so it can keep lending billions to Pakistan at cut throat interest rates compounding annually). An absolute good deal for Pakistan (as Pakistanis are always fantasizing about Ghazwa-e-Hind, even though their economy is based on begging for money from others).

Greatest deal for India (as Pakistan bankrupts itself more and more and has fewer military options left, while India integrates Indian Kashmir and then moves to integrate Pakistan occupied Kashmir).

UN can keep tweeting

At one time the conquest of constantinople was also a fantasy from a hadees

 

[Napa]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"We are deeply concerned that the latest restrictions in Indian-Administered Kashmir will exacerbate the human rights situation in the region" -- <a href="https://twitter.com/UNHumanRights?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UNHumanRights</a> spokesperson<br><br> <a href="https://t.co/C4AStqa3tV">pic.twitter.com/C4AStqa3tV</a></p>— United Nations (@UN) <a href="https://twitter.com/UN/status/1159134102915887104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah, the same organization which had the previous UN Human Rights Commissioner as Ra’ad Zeid al-Hussein of <b>Jordan</b>.

It is always amusing for Indians who live in a democracy to be lectured about human rights by organizations which are often headed by members of dictatorial feudan groups.

 

[Hornbill]

U.N. chief invokes Shimla Agreement, calls for ‘maximum restraint’ on Kashmir

U.N. chief Antonio Guterres on August 9 urged India and Pakistan to exercise “maximum restraint” and refrain from taking steps that could affect the status of Jammu and Kashmir, as he highlighted the Shimla Agreement which rejects any third-party mediation on the issue.

The Secretary-General’s remarks came after India on August 5 revoked Article 370 to withdraw the special status to Jammu and Kashmir and bifurcated the state into two Union Territories — Jammu and Kashmir and Ladakh.

Pakistan termed the Indian action as “unilateral and illegal”, and said it will take the matter to the U.N. Security Council.

“The Secretary-General has been following the situation in Jammu and Kashmir with concern and makes an appeal for maximum restraint,” Guterres’ spokesman Stephane Dujarric said here.


Mr. Dujarric specifically said that the Secretary-General “also recalls the 1972 Agreement on bilateral relations between India and Pakistan, also known as the Shimla Agreement, which states that the final status of Jammu and Kashmir is to be settled by peaceful means” in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

The Secretary General did not offer his good offices nor did he make any offer to mediate between India and Pakistan on Kashmir.

Instead, he referred to the Shimla Agreement, which is a bilateral agreement between India and Pakistan and rejects any third-party mediation in the issue.

Mr. Guterres also called “on all parties to refrain from taking steps” that could affect the status of Jammu and Kashmir.

He said the position of the United Nations on the region was governed by the Charter of the United Nations and is applicable to Security Council resolutions.

When asked to be more specific about reference to the UNSC resolutions on Kashmir in the statement, Mr. Dujarric said “I’m not going to go into any more specifics of the statement which also refers to our concern” about reports of restrictions in Kashmir in India.

“So I’ll refer you to the statement,” he said.

Mr. Dujarric reiterated that Guterres and the U.N. Secretariat were following the situation “very closely“.

He said there had been contacts from the U.N. Secretariat both with the Indian and Pakistani authorities and with the Permanent Missions of India and Pakistan.

He said there is no plan for the Secretary-General to brief the Security Council on Kashmir.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...imum-restraint-on-kashmir/article28919234.ece

 

[MP2011]

In a way Pakistan (may be even Kashmiris) will prefer a bozo like Modi in power. He has managed to do something his predecessors couldn't, internationalize the Kashmir issue.

This well respected Indian journalist was prescient before all this happened.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">let's remember demonetisation was welcomed with the same euphoria by those cheering today. it was backed by the same ludicrous pretexts that shah dished out today. it won them UP & we're still suffering the consequence. yet in comparison to today's move it was almost intelligent <a href="https://t.co/0Uley0oA3E">https://t.co/0Uley0oA3E</a></p>— Hartosh Singh Bal (@HartoshSinghBal) <a href="https://twitter.com/HartoshSinghBal/status/1158431803671109632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Well said.

All those who are jumping with joy at this so called bold step will realize just like they did after demonetization though they won't ever admit that.

I see BJP has even started exploiting this in Delhi at least. They've erected huge billboards all across the capital city thanking Modi for making India one!

Talk about being deluded to the core. This is where sanghis are so far ahead of Congress. They'll create mass hysteria about anything and everything that gullible of us (and there are more than 40% of them currently) will buy that and vote for this fascist party which is their only motto.

 

[MP2011]

I cringe at seeing absolute nobodies talking of buying multiple properties in Kashmir. Even cringier is people talking carelessly about marrying Kashmiri girls.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Also it's amazing to see the level of International support India has lost vs support Pakistan has got. Definitely Modi has been a downfall of India's diplomacy otherwise Pakistan's point of view was never even heard of. Now we see US president echoing our PM. Amazing time change. Even Russian president gave IK more importance than Indian PM.

Can you link here a few references where countries have asked India to go back onthe legislation to amend Art 370?

Russian President gave more importance to IK? How? By not inviting IK to eastern economic summit, where he invited Modi as the chief guest. It was such a snub that Pak media had to lie that IK was invited and Russia had to come out officially to clarify who were the actually invited heads of states.

 

[ahmedzee]

I cringe at seeing absolute nobodies talking of buying multiple properties in Kashmir. Even cringier is people talking carelessly about marrying Kashmiri girls.

I dare the hindutva extremists on this site to buy land there. These joshilas are wusses in real life.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

U.N. chief invokes Shimla Agreement, calls for ‘maximum restraint’ on Kashmir

U.N. chief Antonio Guterres on August 9 urged India and Pakistan to exercise “maximum restraint” and refrain from taking steps that could affect the status of Jammu and Kashmir, as he highlighted the Shimla Agreement which rejects any third-party mediation on the issue.

The Secretary-General’s remarks came after India on August 5 revoked Article 370 to withdraw the special status to Jammu and Kashmir and bifurcated the state into two Union Territories — Jammu and Kashmir and Ladakh.

Pakistan termed the Indian action as “unilateral and illegal”, and said it will take the matter to the U.N. Security Council.

“The Secretary-General has been following the situation in Jammu and Kashmir with concern and makes an appeal for maximum restraint,” Guterres’ spokesman Stephane Dujarric said here.


Mr. Dujarric specifically said that the Secretary-General “also recalls the 1972 Agreement on bilateral relations between India and Pakistan, also known as the Shimla Agreement, which states that the final status of Jammu and Kashmir is to be settled by peaceful means” in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

The Secretary General did not offer his good offices nor did he make any offer to mediate between India and Pakistan on Kashmir.

Instead, he referred to the Shimla Agreement, which is a bilateral agreement between India and Pakistan and rejects any third-party mediation in the issue.

Mr. Guterres also called “on all parties to refrain from taking steps” that could affect the status of Jammu and Kashmir.

He said the position of the United Nations on the region was governed by the Charter of the United Nations and is applicable to Security Council resolutions.

When asked to be more specific about reference to the UNSC resolutions on Kashmir in the statement, Mr. Dujarric said “I’m not going to go into any more specifics of the statement which also refers to our concern” about reports of restrictions in Kashmir in India.

“So I’ll refer you to the statement,” he said.

Mr. Dujarric reiterated that Guterres and the U.N. Secretariat were following the situation “very closely“.

He said there had been contacts from the U.N. Secretariat both with the Indian and Pakistani authorities and with the Permanent Missions of India and Pakistan.

He said there is no plan for the Secretary-General to brief the Security Council on Kashmir.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...imum-restraint-on-kashmir/article28919234.ece

Dont quote hindu news, they are being selective, the simla deal is now null and void. India has changed the boundaries of kashmir. Simla deal dead, back to the UN.

 

[Red Devil]

Why hasn't Pakistan foreign office asked NATO to do that yet? Oh wait, I take that back. Maybe that is because Pakistan is not a member of NATO, and NATO nations interests are not involved in Kashmir. And NATO being not so excited to take orders from Pakistan.

The only order that NATO takes regularly from Pakistan are 'purchase orders for toys for the army' whereby NATO sells overpriced arms to Pakistan.

That is the reason NATO termed Pakistan a 'Major Non-NATO ally' nation (whose job it is to regularly beg for money from China, UAE, Saudi, Qatar, and then turn around and give it to NATO for outdated overpriced military toys for the Pakistan army).

An absolute nice deal...for NATO (to have someone to sell their used outdate overpriced toys to). Great deal for China (so it can keep lending billions to Pakistan at cut throat interest rates compounding annually). An absolute good deal for Pakistan (as Pakistanis are always fantasizing about Ghazwa-e-Hind, even though their economy is based on begging for money from others).

Greatest deal for India (as Pakistan bankrupts itself more and more and has fewer military options left, while India integrates Indian Kashmir and then moves to integrate Pakistan occupied Kashmir).

UN can keep tweeting

You went on a huge rant about Pakistan even though the poster you're quoting made no mention of the country. Absolutely hilarious.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Dont quote hindu news, they are being selective, the simla deal is now null and void. India has changed the boundaries of kashmir. Simla deal dead, back to the UN.

No UN deal. we are back to 47/48. India broke the UN deal. its an open battle field.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

No UN deal. we are back to 47/48. India broke the UN deal. its an open battle field.

What do you think pak should do?

 

[Lonewarrior]

What do you think pak should do?

Pakistan will do everything, its a long Game. it wont solve in months, The Game plan needs patience. patience is the key ....

 

[Thomaskutty]

Pakistan will do everything, its a long Game. it wont solve in months, The Game plan needs patience. patience is the key ....

What have your sources in Rawalpindi told you? Give us the gossip. Your one-liners with the creepy smiley is spooking us.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

By separating Ladakh, so obvious the infiltration will start from there, only small population their.

 

[Lonewarrior]

What have your sources in Rawalpindi told you? Give us the gossip. Your one-liners with the creepy smiley is spooking us.

Enjoy the moment ...

 

[xbronze]

United Nations rejects Pakistan’s appeal for intervention on J-K

Calling for "maximum restraint" by all sides, UN Secretary General Antonio Gutteres on Thursday indicated the Kashmir dispute needs to be resolved bilaterally in keeping with the Shimla Agreement of 1972 and by peaceful means in accordance with the UN charter.

The reference to the Shimla Agreement in this context is rare and significant, according to people familiar with these discussions, as it provides the framework for resolving the dispute bilaterally, which is a rebuff in a way to Pakistan's attempts to seek UN intervention...

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/worl...vention-on-j-k/ar-AAFxdOR?ocid=ob-fb-enin-397

 

[IMMY69]

United Nations rejects Pakistan’s appeal for intervention on J-K

Calling for "maximum restraint" by all sides, UN Secretary General Antonio Gutteres on Thursday indicated the Kashmir dispute needs to be resolved bilaterally in keeping with the Shimla Agreement of 1972 and by peaceful means in accordance with the UN charter.

The reference to the Shimla Agreement in this context is rare and significant, according to people familiar with these discussions, as it provides the framework for resolving the dispute bilaterally, which is a rebuff in a way to Pakistan's attempts to seek UN intervention...

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/worl...vention-on-j-k/ar-AAFxdOR?ocid=ob-fb-enin-397

Where is that article from? who is the author?

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Where is that article from? who is the author?

)

Its indian...

 

[AdamM97]

Where is that article from? who is the author?

In my opinion, Michael Kugelman is a reliable source, read his articles on the latest developments in the Subcontinent.

I feel like he gets unnecessary hate from both Pakistanis and Indians because of his neutral stances on issues like Kashmir.

 

[Lonewarrior]

United Nations rejects Pakistan’s appeal for intervention on J-K

Calling for "maximum restraint" by all sides, UN Secretary General Antonio Gutteres on Thursday indicated the Kashmir dispute needs to be resolved bilaterally in keeping with the Shimla Agreement of 1972 and by peaceful means in accordance with the UN charter.

The reference to the Shimla Agreement in this context is rare and significant, according to people familiar with these discussions, as it provides the framework for resolving the dispute bilaterally, which is a rebuff in a way to Pakistan's attempts to seek UN intervention...

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/worl...vention-on-j-k/ar-AAFxdOR?ocid=ob-fb-enin-397

even the author didnt have any idea that shima agreement is null and void with UN deal, we are back to 47. trying to create a new narrative wont work for indians ... its too little to late ...

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

United Nations rejects Pakistan’s appeal for intervention on J-K

Calling for "maximum restraint" by all sides, UN Secretary General Antonio Gutteres on Thursday indicated the Kashmir dispute needs to be resolved bilaterally in keeping with the Shimla Agreement of 1972 and by peaceful means in accordance with the UN charter.

The reference to the Shimla Agreement in this context is rare and significant, according to people familiar with these discussions, as it provides the framework for resolving the dispute bilaterally, which is a rebuff in a way to Pakistan's attempts to seek UN intervention...

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/worl...vention-on-j-k/ar-AAFxdOR?ocid=ob-fb-enin-397

The kashmir constitution has been abolished, Ladakh has been separated. Simla Agreement dead.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Time for Plebiscite

 

[Lonewarrior]

Time for Plebiscite

and according to this one, not the one indian mention on daily basis...

United Nations Security Council Resolution 80

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_80

now after reading this, indians going to change the wikipedia page ....

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

and according to this one, not the one indian mention on daily basis...

United Nations Security Council Resolution 80

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_80

now after reading this, indians going to change the wikipedia page ....

The resolution 80 marked a shift from the resolution 47 which called for Pakistan to withdraw first. Resolution 80 asked India and Pakistan to withdraw their troops simultaneously for the purpose of plebiscite. This attempt at equality did not find India's agreement.[2]

I wonder what Joshila excuse will be now.

 

[Lonewarrior]

The resolution 80 marked a shift from the resolution 47 which called for Pakistan to withdraw first. Resolution 80 asked India and Pakistan to withdraw their troops simultaneously for the purpose of plebiscite. This attempt at equality did not find India's agreement.[2]

I wonder what Joshila excuse will be now.

this.
he and his BJPians going to change the wikipedia page ...

 

[Gullycricket]

The resolution 80 marked a shift from the resolution 47 which called for Pakistan to withdraw first. Resolution 80 asked India and Pakistan to withdraw their troops simultaneously for the purpose of plebiscite. This attempt at equality did not find India's agreement.[2]

I wonder what Joshila excuse will be now.

They are delusional and wont accept reality.But they are being exposed by foreign media
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-49286428

 

[Lonewarrior]

[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION] [MENTION=147221]slipcatch[/MENTION] and others .... spread the word.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 80


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_80

 

[Abdullah719]

Where is that article from? who is the author?

HindustanTimes.

 

[IMMY69]

HindustanTimes.

Thank you.
I did check out the link. Reason for asking him was to highlight the source and for him to counter it. Of course I was not surprised by his lack of reply.

 

[jadaja]

Silent majority in Kashmir is speaking. Mohammad Ashraf Azad of All J&K Peace Council speaks to me in Srinagar about support of Muslims over abolition of Article 370 as it would end dynasty rule and corruption, bringing more jobs, peace and end to violence. Will you hear him?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1159765216923545600

Mohd. Ashraf Azad: Few people (Hurriyat) trying to muddy the waters in Kashmir. Now that can't happen ever. Things will slowly normalise. Youth have now finally got identity in Kashmir and when the jobs come they will say 'Hindustan Zindabad'. Hear the silent majority voice.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1159776967723368448

 

[IMMY69]

Silent majority in Kashmir is speaking. Mohammad Ashraf Azad of All J&K Peace Council speaks to me in Srinagar about support of Muslims over abolition of Article 370 as it would end dynasty rule and corruption, bringing more jobs, peace and end to violence. Will you hear him?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1159765216923545600

Mohd. Ashraf Azad: Few people (Hurriyat) trying to muddy the waters in Kashmir. Now that can't happen ever. Things will slowly normalise. Youth have now finally got identity in Kashmir and when the jobs come they will say 'Hindustan Zindabad'. Hear the silent majority voice.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1159776967723368448

Oh for goodness sakes.
'Hear the Silent Majority Voice"??? what does that even mean?

Honestly, if the majority wanted this then why has it remained quiet for so long?
With hundreds of thousands of Indian army to protect them they just felt that remaining silent would help their course?

This doesn't even make any sense. If you are going to quote things then at least make it something substantial and if you are going to state something like 'Kashmiri's are Indian first" then at least explain why you think this is the case..

 

[Lonewarrior]

Silent majority in Kashmir is speaking. Mohammad Ashraf Azad of All J&K Peace Council speaks to me in Srinagar about support of Muslims over abolition of Article 370 as it would end dynasty rule and corruption, bringing more jobs, peace and end to violence. Will you hear him?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1159765216923545600

Mohd. Ashraf Azad: Few people (Hurriyat) trying to muddy the waters in Kashmir. Now that can't happen ever. Things will slowly normalise. Youth have now finally got identity in Kashmir and when the jobs come they will say 'Hindustan Zindabad'. Hear the silent majority voice.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1159776967723368448

what the hell is this ?
sir, @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=133760" target="_blank">Abdullah719</a>

 

[jadaja]

Oh for goodness sakes.
'Hear the Silent Majority Voice"??? what does that even mean?

Honestly, if the majority wanted this then why has it remained quiet for so long?
With hundreds of thousands of Indian army to protect them they just felt that remaining silent would help their course?

This doesn't even make any sense. If you are going to quote things then at least make it something substantial and if you are going to state something like 'Kashmiri's are Indian first" then at least explain why you think this is the case..

I am not quoting anything, it is straight view point of one person.I don't need to expaln why Kashmiri's is India first,, you need to study history of Kashmir.

 

[Lonewarrior]

I am not quoting anything, it is straight view point of one person.I don't need to expaln why Kashmiri's is India first,, you need to study history of Kashmir.

lol... )

 

[Azzurri]

I am not quoting anything, it is straight view point of one person.I don't need to expaln why Kashmiri's is India first,, you need to study history of Kashmir.

O jao bhai jaan choro. 4 din sai dimag kharab kia hua ha. Bakhat

 

[jadaja]

O jao bhai jaan choro. 4 din sai dimag kharab kia hua ha. Bakhat

Bhai Jaan, all I am saying is give it some time, if it does not work , other options are always there.

Punjab was going thru the same issue in 1984, now look how Punjab is doing.These things take time, Modi is not going to give me dime I am neither his supporter nor his critic.

 

[jadaja]

Srilanka was torn by civil war by LTTE (which was wrong in the first place).You just can't demand anything you want.Now Srilanka is looking like Srilanka again.The people who teach youth radical views were/are doing just for their own selfish ends.They will keep doing the same things otherwise they won't get their money.

Youth in any country needs education and jobs, I am hoping this move by Modi does both things.Time will tell if it was right move or wrong move.

 

[IMMY69]

Srilanka was torn by civil war by LTTE (which was wrong in the first place).You just can't demand anything you want.Now Srilanka is looking like Srilanka again.The people who teach youth radical views were/are doing just for their own selfish ends.

Youth in any country needs education and jobs, I am hoping this move by Modi does both things.Time will tell if it was right move or wrong move.

You can't compare Kashmir with Sri Lanka just like you can't impose your will upon another people.
Only way this can work out for India is if they commit mass genocide and re-locate Indian Hindu's to Kashmir and that would be an atrocity and a slap on the face of Humanity.

 

[jadaja]

You can't compare Kashmir with Sri Lanka just like you can't impose your will upon another people.
Only way this can work out for India is if they commit mass genocide and re-locate Indian Hindu's to Kashmir and that would be an atrocity and a slap on the face of Humanity.

How is it different?Sikhs wanted Khalistan, tomorrow Tamils want Tamilistan.

You can't keep giving in to everybody.

 

[IMMY69]

How is it different?Sikhs wanted Khalistan, tomorrow Tamils want Tamilistan.

You can't keep giving in to everybody.

Because we are talking about the creation of a nation.

 

[jadaja]

Because we are talking about the creation of a nation.

They also wanted same seperate creation of nations for themselves just like Sikhs did for Khalistan.

 

[IMMY69]

They also wanted same seperate creation of nations for themselves just like Sikhs did for Khalistan.

the actual creation of a nation resulting Pakistan

 

[rhony]

Srilanka was torn by civil war by LTTE (which was wrong in the first place).You just can't demand anything you want.Now Srilanka is looking like Srilanka again.The people who teach youth radical views were/are doing just for their own selfish ends.They will keep doing the same things otherwise they won't get their money.

Youth in any country needs education and jobs, I am hoping this move by Modi does both things.Time will tell if it was right move or wrong move.

There is no comparison. Tamils were the intruders in SL. Here Kashmiris are the natives. SL got away with genocide precisely for that reason. Also, after the Afzal Guru episode Kashmiris have been smart to limit the terror to Kashmir region and to army. It will.lead to catastrophical consequences if India commits genocide. There will be no justification for killing regular people on both sides. It is now a precarious battle that should be tactical with limited damage to both sides. Kashmiris want sympathy from the rest of the world and India wants to keep the rest of the world silent with no attention to Kashmir.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The resolution 80 marked a shift from the resolution 47 which called for Pakistan to withdraw first. Resolution 80 asked India and Pakistan to withdraw their troops simultaneously for the purpose of plebiscite. This attempt at equality did not find India's agreement.[2]

I wonder what Joshila excuse will be now.

The ceasefire was based on resolution 47. Now if UN wanted to appease Pakistan 1 year later and change the conditions, then ofcourse India has the right to disagree.

 

[The streak is Alive]

Got to say, Pakistan's options are limited. There is very little that anybody in Pakistan can do:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/modis-kashmir-gambit-puts-pakistan-in-a-tough-spot-11565301705

Its better that Pakistan leave Kashmir to the Indians. As a more resourceful country, India can best look after Kasmir's welfare. This way Pakistan can focus on internal matters, rebuild the economy and hope one day Imran Khan becomes as capable a leader as Modi. He must have realized leading a cricket team is far easier than leading a bankrupt country.

 

[Abdullah719]

UN chief asks India to end torture, use of pellet guns against children in Kashmir

UNITED NATIONS: UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres has voiced deep concern over the continued use of pellet guns against children by the Indian security forces in occupied Kashmir, and called on New Delhi to “immediately end” such practices.

The call was made by Guterres in the annual report on Children and Armed Conflict, which was launched on Monday by his Special Representative on the subject, Virginia Gamba.

The UN chief also urged India to stop torture and illegal detention of minors in the occupied valley.

“I am concerned by the detention of children, including their arrest during night raids, internment at army camps, torture in detention and detention without charge or due process, and urge the (Indian) Government to immediately end this practice,” the secretary-general said.

With respect to atrocities committed against children in Kashmir, the report said that “the United Nations verified the killing (8) and maiming (7) of 15 children (13 boys, 2 girls), between the ages of 1 and 17, by or during joint operations of the Central Reserve Police Force, the Indian Army (Rashtriya Rifles) and the Special Operations Group of the Jammu and Kashmir Police”.

“Most of the casualties that occurred in Jammu and Kashmir were mainly caused by torture in detention, shootings, including from pellet guns.”

The report particularly cites 68 instances where children between the ages of 9 and 17 have been detained by Indian security services in Jammu and Kashmir on national security-related charges, for alleged association with armed groups.

“I remain concerned by child casualties in Jammu and Kashmir and call upon the Government to take preventive measures to protect children, including by ending the use of pellets against children,” the secretary-general said.

The diplomats noted that the secretary-general’s report has dented India’s false narrative of normalcy in Jammu and Kashmir, and expose its grave violations of international humanitarian law, war crimes, and human rights violations in the disputed region.

On the other hand, the UN chief welcomed and acknowledged in the same report the Pakistani government’s efforts to protect the polio workers.

The report also notes with appreciation the overall decrease in the number of attacks against children in the country.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/293377-un

 

[MenInG]

UNITED NATIONS: UN Secretary General António Guterres urged India on Monday to end the use of pellets against children in Occupied Jammu and Kashmir and stop associating children with the security forces in any way.

The UN chief made these observations in his latest report on “Children and Armed Conflict” presented in the UN Security Council on Monday for an open debate. The report does not clarify how India has been associating children with the security forces.

The report revealed that last year, grave violations were committed against some 19,300 youngsters, particularly in war zones, such as Afghanistan, Syria and the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

“The disregard for children’s rights amid war and upheaval is shocking and heartbreaking,” Mr Guterres said during the high-level debate, held virtually. “Schools and hospitals [are] constantly attacked, looted, destroyed or used for military purposes, with girls’ educational and health facilities targeted disproportionately”.

The report’s chapter on India noted that a total of 39 children — 33 boys, six girls — were affected by violence in the occupied territory last year. Of them, nine were killed and 30 were maimed.

At least 11 were wounded by pellet guns. The report includes incidents of torture by security forces and unidentified perpetrators, injuries resulting from explosives, crossfire between unidentified groups and Indian security forces, crossfire between unidentified groups, and grenade attacks and crossfire and shelling across the Line of Control.

“I remain concerned by grave violations against children in Jammu and Kashmir and call upon the [Indian] government to take preventive measures to protect children,” the UN chief said. He urged the Indian government to “end the use of pellets against children” and to “ensure that children are not associated in any way to security forces”.

He also urged New Delhi to endorse the Safe Schools Declaration and the Vancouver Principles — an inter-governmental commitment to protect students, teachers, schools, and universities from the worst effects of an armed conflict.

“I am alarmed at the detention and torture of children and concerned by the military use of schools,” said the secretary general while urging the Indian government to “ensure that children are detained as a measure of last resort and for the shortest appropriate period”.

He also urged India to “prevent all forms of ill-treatment in detention” and to “ensure the implementation of the Juvenile Justice (Care and Protection of Children) Act, 2015, to address the use of children for illegal activities and the situation of detained children”.

According to the report, the United Nations verified the use of seven schools by Indian security forces for four months last year.

Schools were vacated by the end of 2020. The United Nations did not verify grave violations in the context of the Naxalite insurgency.

The United Nations also verified the recruitment and use of two boys by unidentified perpetrators and was reviewing reports of the use of three boys by Indian security forces for less than 24 hours.

Four children were detained by Indian security forces in Occupied Jammu and Kashmir for alleged association with armed groups, the report added.

Pakistan

In its Pakistan chapter, the report noted that 39 children were reportedly killed (8) and maimed (31) by unidentified perpetrators in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Azad Kashmir and Balochistan. Incidents included clashes across the Line of Control and improvised explosive devices.

One attack on a school was reported in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa when unidentified perpetrators placed an improvised explosive device.

The Global Polio Eradication Initiative reported 127 incidents by unidentified armed elements.

“I welcome the engagement of the [Pakistan] government with my Special Representative to develop preventive measures to protect children,” the secretary general said in the report.

“I reiterate my call for the government to better protect children through the endorsement of international commitments such as the Safe Schools Declaration and the Vancouver Principles.”

Published in Dawn, June 29th, 2021