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LOL. would have happened anywhere in the world if the people were treated this way, not just in America.
The weakest of the weakest argument.
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US Elections 2020 : Who will be the next President of the United States?
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LOL. would have happened anywhere in the world if the people were treated this way, not just in America.
The weakest of the weakest argument.
Its not an argument, its a question, what groups are responsible for burning buildings and looting?.
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The argument in the form of a question.
Similar arguments were made against ending slavery and segregation.
Some my BLM people and some by agitators from the right. However burning buildings is counter productive.
Joe Biden made some of those arguments didn't he.
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It is 14 days to the US election and today - in between news and views from the campaign trail - we are focusing on "What the world wants from America"
We have special global coverage, looking at how things have changed under Trump, and how people see the future
US President Donald Trump heads to the battleground state of Pennsylvania later
But Melania will not attend. She pulls out of her first public appearance since her Covid bout, due to a "lingering cough"
Trump and Democratic rival Joe Biden will have their microphones muted for part of their final pre-election debate on Thursday
The new measures have been brought in following a heated first debate marked by ill-tempered exchanges
On Monday, Trump inflamed a row with Dr Anthony Fauci, the top US infectious disease expert, calling him a "disaster"
We have special global coverage, looking at how things have changed under Trump, and how people see the future
US President Donald Trump heads to the battleground state of Pennsylvania later
But Melania will not attend. She pulls out of her first public appearance since her Covid bout, due to a "lingering cough"
Trump and Democratic rival Joe Biden will have their microphones muted for part of their final pre-election debate on Thursday
The new measures have been brought in following a heated first debate marked by ill-tempered exchanges
On Monday, Trump inflamed a row with Dr Anthony Fauci, the top US infectious disease expert, calling him a "disaster"
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In the three weeks since Donald Trump last met Joe Biden on the debate stage, another kind of debate has been swirling on the campaign trail: one over the conditions under which the two presidential candidates would convene for a rematch. Virtual format, or an old-fashioned in-person face to face? Open microphones for both debaters, or only for the one who is speaking? A moderator who tightly enforces the rules, or one who allows the candidates – one candidate in particular – to run wild?
It is something of a miracle that Thursday’s debate in Nashville, Tennessee, is happening at all – and Trump being Trump, there is always the chance of a last-minute cancellation at any point before the camera’s light blinks red. After his disastrous opener against Biden, followed days later by a hospital stay for COVID-19, Trump dropped out of the second scheduled debate, a town hall that was to have taken place in Miami. Trump’s reason: he did not approve of the remote format that was being proposed as a precautionary measure against his illness.
But with the incumbent president lagging in the polls, amid a surge in enthusiasm for Democratic candidates across the board, Trump finds himself in need of a follow-up debate. When the candidates meet again on Thursday, they will repeat the same format as in their first debate, with one notable difference: each candidate will be allotted two minutes at the beginning of every segment (there are six segments in total), during which the opposing candidate’s microphone will be silenced.
The Commission on Presidential Debates, which has sponsored every general election presidential and vice presidential debate in the US since 1988, imposed this unusual change after acknowledging that the first Trump-Biden face-off deprived voters of “the opportunity to be informed of the candidates’ positions on the issues”. That is a nice way of saying that they hope for a more civilised round two, with the candidates engaging in a substantive dialogue rather than a shouting match.
This modest production tweak seems unlikely to produce a markedly different event. Since both microphones will remain open during the 13-minute “discussion periods” that round out each segment, a rerun of last month’s episode seems not only possible but inevitable.
Which brings us to the candidates, and the state of play as they head into their final showdown.
In the opening encounter with Biden, Trump manifested all of his worst characteristics. He was rude, whiny, loud and unpleasant. And, according to post-debate polling, voters did not like it.
Two mistakes from that first debate stand out: the most cringeworthy was Trump’s personal attack on Hunter Biden, the son of Joe Biden, for being a recovering drug addict. Second, the president’s refusal to disavow white supremacists – in fact, to tell one such group to “stand down and stand by” – struck most observers as out of bounds.
Trump fared no better in a subsequent NBC News town hall that the network substituted for the cancelled second debate with Biden. Under sharp questioning from anchor Savannah Guthrie, Trump again bungled his responses, especially regarding his relationship to QAnon conspiracy theorists. Furthermore, he promoted false information about the efficacy of mask-wearing during the coronavirus pandemic.
As these examples show, Trump flounders when he is forced to operate outside the friendly confines of right-wing media. The final debate with Biden, in front of what could be the largest audience either candidate will ever face, stands as Trump’s last chance to counteract the barrage of bad news he has been suffering, and will probably continue to suffer until election day. History suggests the task will not be easy.
Biden did not win the first match with Trump by being the world’s best debater. He did not need to be, not against a competitor whose obnoxiousness rendered Biden saintly by contrast. Nobody remembers much of what Biden said in that debate. All they remember is that he was not Trump, and that was enough.
Biden’s own network town hall, which aired on ABC at the same time Trump was appearing on NBC, handed the former vice president another victory in the battle of personalities. While Trump’s performance was roundly panned, Biden drew comparisons to Mister Rogers, the kindly, soothing children’s television host who over generations has become a national symbol of decency.
Biden’s talent for empathy served him well in the town hall, as he bonded personally with the socially distanced voters who posed questions from the gallery. Even after the programme ended, Biden remained on-site for another half-hour, chatting with people in the audience.
In view of Trump’s misbehaviour in the first debate, some observers have wondered whether Biden is needlessly subjecting himself to another round of mud-wrestling with an out-of-control opponent. Given Biden’s current standing in the polls, and with Trump’s COVID diagnosis as a pretext, he could probably have wriggled out of it.
On the other hand, Biden comes to this debate in a position of strength, having notched a solid record against Trump in recent TV encounters – the Democratic challenger even beat Trump in the ratings for their duelling town halls. It is Biden who has benefitted when voters judge the two candidates side-by-side like merchandise in a shop window.
Biden has every reason to play it safe in this last debate, to do nothing that will rock a boat that is about to reach the shore. Needless to say, any encounter with a loose cannon like Trump carries a high degree of risk.
But heading into the final debate of 2020, Biden is the candidate with the easier challenge, that of staying the course, while his opponent needs a U-turn.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...dential-debate-trump-seeks-a-drastic-comeback
It is something of a miracle that Thursday’s debate in Nashville, Tennessee, is happening at all – and Trump being Trump, there is always the chance of a last-minute cancellation at any point before the camera’s light blinks red. After his disastrous opener against Biden, followed days later by a hospital stay for COVID-19, Trump dropped out of the second scheduled debate, a town hall that was to have taken place in Miami. Trump’s reason: he did not approve of the remote format that was being proposed as a precautionary measure against his illness.
But with the incumbent president lagging in the polls, amid a surge in enthusiasm for Democratic candidates across the board, Trump finds himself in need of a follow-up debate. When the candidates meet again on Thursday, they will repeat the same format as in their first debate, with one notable difference: each candidate will be allotted two minutes at the beginning of every segment (there are six segments in total), during which the opposing candidate’s microphone will be silenced.
The Commission on Presidential Debates, which has sponsored every general election presidential and vice presidential debate in the US since 1988, imposed this unusual change after acknowledging that the first Trump-Biden face-off deprived voters of “the opportunity to be informed of the candidates’ positions on the issues”. That is a nice way of saying that they hope for a more civilised round two, with the candidates engaging in a substantive dialogue rather than a shouting match.
This modest production tweak seems unlikely to produce a markedly different event. Since both microphones will remain open during the 13-minute “discussion periods” that round out each segment, a rerun of last month’s episode seems not only possible but inevitable.
Which brings us to the candidates, and the state of play as they head into their final showdown.
In the opening encounter with Biden, Trump manifested all of his worst characteristics. He was rude, whiny, loud and unpleasant. And, according to post-debate polling, voters did not like it.
Two mistakes from that first debate stand out: the most cringeworthy was Trump’s personal attack on Hunter Biden, the son of Joe Biden, for being a recovering drug addict. Second, the president’s refusal to disavow white supremacists – in fact, to tell one such group to “stand down and stand by” – struck most observers as out of bounds.
Trump fared no better in a subsequent NBC News town hall that the network substituted for the cancelled second debate with Biden. Under sharp questioning from anchor Savannah Guthrie, Trump again bungled his responses, especially regarding his relationship to QAnon conspiracy theorists. Furthermore, he promoted false information about the efficacy of mask-wearing during the coronavirus pandemic.
As these examples show, Trump flounders when he is forced to operate outside the friendly confines of right-wing media. The final debate with Biden, in front of what could be the largest audience either candidate will ever face, stands as Trump’s last chance to counteract the barrage of bad news he has been suffering, and will probably continue to suffer until election day. History suggests the task will not be easy.
Biden did not win the first match with Trump by being the world’s best debater. He did not need to be, not against a competitor whose obnoxiousness rendered Biden saintly by contrast. Nobody remembers much of what Biden said in that debate. All they remember is that he was not Trump, and that was enough.
Biden’s own network town hall, which aired on ABC at the same time Trump was appearing on NBC, handed the former vice president another victory in the battle of personalities. While Trump’s performance was roundly panned, Biden drew comparisons to Mister Rogers, the kindly, soothing children’s television host who over generations has become a national symbol of decency.
Biden’s talent for empathy served him well in the town hall, as he bonded personally with the socially distanced voters who posed questions from the gallery. Even after the programme ended, Biden remained on-site for another half-hour, chatting with people in the audience.
In view of Trump’s misbehaviour in the first debate, some observers have wondered whether Biden is needlessly subjecting himself to another round of mud-wrestling with an out-of-control opponent. Given Biden’s current standing in the polls, and with Trump’s COVID diagnosis as a pretext, he could probably have wriggled out of it.
On the other hand, Biden comes to this debate in a position of strength, having notched a solid record against Trump in recent TV encounters – the Democratic challenger even beat Trump in the ratings for their duelling town halls. It is Biden who has benefitted when voters judge the two candidates side-by-side like merchandise in a shop window.
Biden has every reason to play it safe in this last debate, to do nothing that will rock a boat that is about to reach the shore. Needless to say, any encounter with a loose cannon like Trump carries a high degree of risk.
But heading into the final debate of 2020, Biden is the candidate with the easier challenge, that of staying the course, while his opponent needs a U-turn.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...dential-debate-trump-seeks-a-drastic-comeback
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More than 40m Americans have already voted - either by mail on in person - according to researchers at the US Elections Project.
In Texas, 59% of those who voted in 2016's election between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump have already cast their 2020 ballot. In Florida, 38% of 2016 voters have now voted.
\Wisconsin, which only kicked off in person voting yesterday, 37% of the 2016 crowd has voted.
A record number of early and postal votes are being cast this year, as citizens of the country with the highest number of Covid-19 infections in the world look for alternatives to election day voting.
Republicans claim postal voting is vulnerable to fraud, but there is little evidence that points to this. There are already lawsuits underway in several states regarding how to count ballots that are late or blemished, and the legal challenges could make election day more like election week if the vote is tight.
In Texas, 59% of those who voted in 2016's election between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump have already cast their 2020 ballot. In Florida, 38% of 2016 voters have now voted.
\Wisconsin, which only kicked off in person voting yesterday, 37% of the 2016 crowd has voted.
A record number of early and postal votes are being cast this year, as citizens of the country with the highest number of Covid-19 infections in the world look for alternatives to election day voting.
Republicans claim postal voting is vulnerable to fraud, but there is little evidence that points to this. There are already lawsuits underway in several states regarding how to count ballots that are late or blemished, and the legal challenges could make election day more like election week if the vote is tight.
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Donald Trump has cast his ballot in the US presidential election, telling reporters: "I voted for a guy named Trump."
After voting in West Palm Beach, Florida, the president also took the opportunity to attack mail-in ballots - warning that they can never be as secure as voting in person.
Describing his experience at the polling station as "perfect and very strict", he added: "It was a very secure vote - much more secure than when you send in a ballot, I can tell you that."
The president said that that he will be holding "three big rallies" today, and claimed: "I hear we're doing very well in Florida and every place else."
To secure the White House, winning in Florida is essential.
The state has consistently voted for the victor in every election except one since 1964 - and no Republican has won without the state in almost a century.
With 29 electoral college votes up for grabs, it's the largest swing state and crucial for gathering the 270 votes needed.
Most polls show Mr Biden narrowly ahead in Florida. History suggests that, if Mr Trump loses here, he'll likely lose the White House.
The election will take place on Tuesday 3 November - just under two weeks away.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-elect...resident-casts-his-ballot-in-florida-12113048
After voting in West Palm Beach, Florida, the president also took the opportunity to attack mail-in ballots - warning that they can never be as secure as voting in person.
Describing his experience at the polling station as "perfect and very strict", he added: "It was a very secure vote - much more secure than when you send in a ballot, I can tell you that."
The president said that that he will be holding "three big rallies" today, and claimed: "I hear we're doing very well in Florida and every place else."
To secure the White House, winning in Florida is essential.
The state has consistently voted for the victor in every election except one since 1964 - and no Republican has won without the state in almost a century.
With 29 electoral college votes up for grabs, it's the largest swing state and crucial for gathering the 270 votes needed.
Most polls show Mr Biden narrowly ahead in Florida. History suggests that, if Mr Trump loses here, he'll likely lose the White House.
The election will take place on Tuesday 3 November - just under two weeks away.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-elect...resident-casts-his-ballot-in-florida-12113048
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Just voted. Literally everyone I know has already voted. I think the election is pretty much over at this point, November 3rd is just a formality to tally the votes and declare the winner.
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An attempt by Donald Trump to secure an election endorsement from the Israeli prime minister has backfired during a White House photo call.
With reporters gathered in the Oval Office to mark the signing of a historic US-brokered peace deal between Israel and Sudan, the US president asked Benjamin Netanyahu, who was on speakerphone, if Joe Biden could have secured such a deal
"Do you think 'Sleepy Joe' could have made this deal, Bibi? 'Sleepy Joe'? Do you think he would have made this deal? Somehow I don't think so," Mr Trump asked Mr Netanyahu.
Dodging the invitation to knock Mr Trump's presidential opponent, the Israeli leader replied: "Uh, well, Mr President, one thing I can tell you is that we appreciate the help for peace from anyone in America.
"And we appreciate what you have done enormously."
The two leaders were speaking at an event celebrating the beginning of normalisation talks between Israel and the Arab-African nation of Sudan.
Mr Trump had put the Israeli prime minister on speakerphone in front of the gathered media, and saw an opportunity for a moment of electioneering.
The Israeli leader has been accused in the past of interfering in American elections. In 2012, he met Republican nominee Mitt Romney during the election campaign and attacked the policies of Barack Obama.
This time though, with the polls suggesting a win for Mr Biden, a more cautious Netanyahu chose a more diplomatic tone.
https://news.sky.com/story/donald-t...es-invitation-to-criticise-joe-biden-12112677
With reporters gathered in the Oval Office to mark the signing of a historic US-brokered peace deal between Israel and Sudan, the US president asked Benjamin Netanyahu, who was on speakerphone, if Joe Biden could have secured such a deal
"Do you think 'Sleepy Joe' could have made this deal, Bibi? 'Sleepy Joe'? Do you think he would have made this deal? Somehow I don't think so," Mr Trump asked Mr Netanyahu.
Dodging the invitation to knock Mr Trump's presidential opponent, the Israeli leader replied: "Uh, well, Mr President, one thing I can tell you is that we appreciate the help for peace from anyone in America.
"And we appreciate what you have done enormously."
The two leaders were speaking at an event celebrating the beginning of normalisation talks between Israel and the Arab-African nation of Sudan.
Mr Trump had put the Israeli prime minister on speakerphone in front of the gathered media, and saw an opportunity for a moment of electioneering.
The Israeli leader has been accused in the past of interfering in American elections. In 2012, he met Republican nominee Mitt Romney during the election campaign and attacked the policies of Barack Obama.
This time though, with the polls suggesting a win for Mr Biden, a more cautious Netanyahu chose a more diplomatic tone.
https://news.sky.com/story/donald-t...es-invitation-to-criticise-joe-biden-12112677
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Biden win you reckon ?
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Coronavirus: Mike Pence continues campaign tour despite chief of staff's positive test
The White House has said the vice-president, Mike Pence, plans to maintain an aggressive campaign schedule this week despite several members of his inner circle, including his chief of staff, testing positive for coronavirus.
A spokesman for Pence disclosed late on Saturday that Marc Short, Pence’s chief of staff, had tested positive for the virus. Pence and his wife, Karen, tested negative earlier in the day and the vice-president will not alter his schedule, the spokesman said. The New York Times reported that several other members of his inner circle had also tested positive in recent days.
Short’s diagnosis comes weeks after Covid-19 spread through the White House, infecting President Donald Trump, the first lady and two dozen other aides, staffers and allies.
Under criteria from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the vice-president is considered a “close contact” of his chief of staff but will not quarantine, said a spokesman, Devin O’Malley.
O’Malley said Pence decided to maintain his travel schedule “in consultation with the White House medical unit” and “in accordance with the CDC guidelines for essential personnel”. Those guidelines require that essential workers exposed to someone with the coronavirus closely monitor for symptoms of Covid-19 and wear a mask whenever around other people
Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease expert at George Mason University, called Pence’s decision to travel “grossly negligent” regardless of the stated justification that Pence is an essential worker.
“It’s just an insult to everybody who has been working in public health and public health response,” she said. “I also find it really harmful and disrespectful to the people going to the rally” and the people on Pence’s own staff who will accompany him.
“He needs to be staying home 14 days,” she added. “Campaign events are not essential.”
After a day of campaigning in Florida on Saturday, Pence was seen wearing a mask as he returned to Washington onboard Air Force Two shortly after the news of Short’s diagnosis was made public. He is scheduled to hold a rally on Sunday afternoon in Kinston, North Carolina.
President Trump commented on Short early Sunday after his plane landed at Joint Base Andrews, outside Washington. “I did hear about it just now,” he said. “And I think he’s quarantining. Yeah. I did hear about it. He’s going to be fine. But he’s quarantining.”
Pence, who has headed the White House coronavirus taskforce since late February, has repeatedly found himself in an uncomfortable position balancing political concerns with the administration’s handling of the pandemic, which has killed more than 220,000 Americans. The vice-president has advocated mask-wearing and social distancing, but often does not wear one himself and holds large political events where many people do not wear face-coverings.
By virtue of his position as vice-president, Pence is considered an essential worker. The White House did not address how Pence’s political activities amounted to essential work.
Short, Pence’s most senior aide and one of his closest confidants, did not travel with the vice-president on Saturday.
Pence’s handling of his exposure to a confirmed positive case stands in contrast to how the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, Kamala Harris, responded when a close aide and a member of her campaign plane’s charter crew tested positive for the virus earlier this month. She took several days off the campaign trail citing her desire to act out of an abundance of caution.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...gn-tour-despite-chief-of-staffs-positive-test
The White House has said the vice-president, Mike Pence, plans to maintain an aggressive campaign schedule this week despite several members of his inner circle, including his chief of staff, testing positive for coronavirus.
A spokesman for Pence disclosed late on Saturday that Marc Short, Pence’s chief of staff, had tested positive for the virus. Pence and his wife, Karen, tested negative earlier in the day and the vice-president will not alter his schedule, the spokesman said. The New York Times reported that several other members of his inner circle had also tested positive in recent days.
Short’s diagnosis comes weeks after Covid-19 spread through the White House, infecting President Donald Trump, the first lady and two dozen other aides, staffers and allies.
Under criteria from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the vice-president is considered a “close contact” of his chief of staff but will not quarantine, said a spokesman, Devin O’Malley.
O’Malley said Pence decided to maintain his travel schedule “in consultation with the White House medical unit” and “in accordance with the CDC guidelines for essential personnel”. Those guidelines require that essential workers exposed to someone with the coronavirus closely monitor for symptoms of Covid-19 and wear a mask whenever around other people
Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease expert at George Mason University, called Pence’s decision to travel “grossly negligent” regardless of the stated justification that Pence is an essential worker.
“It’s just an insult to everybody who has been working in public health and public health response,” she said. “I also find it really harmful and disrespectful to the people going to the rally” and the people on Pence’s own staff who will accompany him.
“He needs to be staying home 14 days,” she added. “Campaign events are not essential.”
After a day of campaigning in Florida on Saturday, Pence was seen wearing a mask as he returned to Washington onboard Air Force Two shortly after the news of Short’s diagnosis was made public. He is scheduled to hold a rally on Sunday afternoon in Kinston, North Carolina.
President Trump commented on Short early Sunday after his plane landed at Joint Base Andrews, outside Washington. “I did hear about it just now,” he said. “And I think he’s quarantining. Yeah. I did hear about it. He’s going to be fine. But he’s quarantining.”
Pence, who has headed the White House coronavirus taskforce since late February, has repeatedly found himself in an uncomfortable position balancing political concerns with the administration’s handling of the pandemic, which has killed more than 220,000 Americans. The vice-president has advocated mask-wearing and social distancing, but often does not wear one himself and holds large political events where many people do not wear face-coverings.
By virtue of his position as vice-president, Pence is considered an essential worker. The White House did not address how Pence’s political activities amounted to essential work.
Short, Pence’s most senior aide and one of his closest confidants, did not travel with the vice-president on Saturday.
Pence’s handling of his exposure to a confirmed positive case stands in contrast to how the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, Kamala Harris, responded when a close aide and a member of her campaign plane’s charter crew tested positive for the virus earlier this month. She took several days off the campaign trail citing her desire to act out of an abundance of caution.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...gn-tour-despite-chief-of-staffs-positive-test
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t was 14 December, 2012, when news broke of a shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut.
Indian-American investment banker Shekar Narasimhan recalls that he was at the White House for a party but the mood quickly turned sombre. He says everyone fell silent as details of the horrific attack emerged - 20 children, all under the age of 10, and six adults died in the shooting.
It was also on that day that Mr Narasimhan first met Dilawar Syed, a Pakistani American.
"Our hearts met," said Mr Syed, a tech entrepreneur in California. "I found one person in the room who happened to be a fellow South-Asian American who was as emotional as I was."
The two soon became close, co-founding the Asian American and Pacific Islanders Victory Fund (AAPIVF), a group that aims to mobilise and elevate voices from these communities in local and national politics. Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders account for more than 20 million people in the US, but their voter registration and turnout is said to be lower than the national averages for other communities.
And this is something Mr Syed and Mr Narasimhan hope to change through their organisation.
Indians and Pakistanis are often seen as being at loggerheads because of strained relations between their respective countries. But in the US, the two communities are part of the same South Asian diaspora and often work together during political campaigns.
"He [Mr Syed] has access to different networks that I didn't," said Mr Narasimhan, explaining that he wanted to work with Mr Syed precisely because he hailed from a different community and lives in another part of the US.
Their group endorsed Democratic candidate Joe Biden for presidency in January. The two men believe that Mr Biden's victory will lead to a "more equal, just" America.
Indians and Pakistanis have a lot in common - some of them speak a similar language, northern Indian and Pakistani food shares a history, and both countries are passionate about cricket and enjoy Bollywood.
But Mr Syed said that wasn't the only thing that brought them together: "Our values are the same."
Rallying together
India and Pakistan also share a complicated and contentious history. Independence from the British in 1947 was accompanied by a bloody partition of the subcontinent. Millions died in the religious violence that followed.
Since then, the nuclear-armed neighbours have fought two wars and a limited conflict over Kashmir. Both countries claim the Muslim-majority border region, which remains the biggest bone of contention between them.
But Mr Narasimhan and Mr Syed don't discuss Kashmir.
"We try and avoid it. We say to each other, look, this election is about domestic issues," Mr Narasimhan said.
Many Indian and Pakistani Americans say thorny issues back home haven't soured their ties in the US.
Mr Narasimhan said the two communities are far more concerned about issues that directly affect their everyday lives - and that for their children, who were born and raised in the US, the India-Pakistan dispute is not a a big factor.
"My son says what happened 50 or 60 years ago in India and Pakistan, what does that have to do with me?" Mr Narasimhan added.
When it comes to first-generation Pakistani Americans, 9/11 and its aftermath stand out - Mr Syed said it shaped a lot of their experiences in the US. The 11 September attacks led to hate crimes, threats against Muslims, Sikhs and people of Arab and South Asian descent.
Critics of President Donald Trump say that the US has seen an uptick in anti-minority and xenophobic rhetoric since his victory. Mr Syed agrees, adding that Mr Trump is responsible for "a rise in hate, bigotry and anti-immigration sentiment".
President Donald Trump enjoys less support than Mr Biden among the South Asian diaspora
"[With] the events especially in the Trump administration, I did put my faith on my sleeve. I said I want people to know this is what a Muslim American looks like."
'What affects us is local'
The Pakistani-American community is nearly a million strong, while Indian Americans are said to total around 4.5 million. Both tend to lean Democratic. According to a 2016 survey, 88% of Pakistani Americans and 77% of Indian Americans voted for Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton last election. Only 5% of the former and 16% of the latter voted for Mr Trump, the survey found.
This year members of both diaspora are working together to rally support for the candidate of their choice - not just for the presidential election but also for the Senate and Congressional seats that are on the ticket.
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Indian American Manu Mathews and his Pakistani American friend, Rao Kamran Ali, have been rallying support for their local Democratic candidate, Candace Valenzuela, to represent their congressional district in Texas.
"We try and avoid conversations we know we are not going to agree on," Mr Mathew said, referring to tensions between India and Pakistan.
It's the same on the Republican side. India-born realtor Raj Kathuria and Pakistani American Shahab Qarni are friends who live 20 minutes from each other. They have both been campaigning online for Mr Trump.
For Mr Kathuria, whose parents migrated from a newly-created Pakistan to India during partition, issues or tensions between the two countries are important and personal. But at the same time, he says, it doesn't affect his life in the US. "What affects us is the local politics," he added.
It's unclear which way Pakistani Americans are leaning, but over 70% of Indian Americans plan to vote for Mr Biden in the upcoming election, according to the 2020 Indian American Attitudes survey. This suggests that the community will largely vote Democrat as always.
This is despite the headline-grabbing friendship between Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Mr Trump. Last year in September, they appeared together in Houston at an event named "Howdy Modi", where Mr Trump declared: "You have never had a better friend as president than President Donald Trump".
And in February, Mr Trump visited India, where he addressed a crowd of over 100,000 in Mr Modi's home state of Gujarat.
But according to the survey, Indian Americans "do not consider US-India relations to be one of the principal determinants of their vote choice in this election". Instead, like many other Americans, they view the economy and healthcare as the two most important issues
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Indian-American investment banker Shekar Narasimhan recalls that he was at the White House for a party but the mood quickly turned sombre. He says everyone fell silent as details of the horrific attack emerged - 20 children, all under the age of 10, and six adults died in the shooting.
It was also on that day that Mr Narasimhan first met Dilawar Syed, a Pakistani American.
"Our hearts met," said Mr Syed, a tech entrepreneur in California. "I found one person in the room who happened to be a fellow South-Asian American who was as emotional as I was."
The two soon became close, co-founding the Asian American and Pacific Islanders Victory Fund (AAPIVF), a group that aims to mobilise and elevate voices from these communities in local and national politics. Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders account for more than 20 million people in the US, but their voter registration and turnout is said to be lower than the national averages for other communities.
And this is something Mr Syed and Mr Narasimhan hope to change through their organisation.
Indians and Pakistanis are often seen as being at loggerheads because of strained relations between their respective countries. But in the US, the two communities are part of the same South Asian diaspora and often work together during political campaigns.
"He [Mr Syed] has access to different networks that I didn't," said Mr Narasimhan, explaining that he wanted to work with Mr Syed precisely because he hailed from a different community and lives in another part of the US.
Their group endorsed Democratic candidate Joe Biden for presidency in January. The two men believe that Mr Biden's victory will lead to a "more equal, just" America.
Indians and Pakistanis have a lot in common - some of them speak a similar language, northern Indian and Pakistani food shares a history, and both countries are passionate about cricket and enjoy Bollywood.
But Mr Syed said that wasn't the only thing that brought them together: "Our values are the same."
Rallying together
India and Pakistan also share a complicated and contentious history. Independence from the British in 1947 was accompanied by a bloody partition of the subcontinent. Millions died in the religious violence that followed.
Since then, the nuclear-armed neighbours have fought two wars and a limited conflict over Kashmir. Both countries claim the Muslim-majority border region, which remains the biggest bone of contention between them.
But Mr Narasimhan and Mr Syed don't discuss Kashmir.
"We try and avoid it. We say to each other, look, this election is about domestic issues," Mr Narasimhan said.
Many Indian and Pakistani Americans say thorny issues back home haven't soured their ties in the US.
Mr Narasimhan said the two communities are far more concerned about issues that directly affect their everyday lives - and that for their children, who were born and raised in the US, the India-Pakistan dispute is not a a big factor.
"My son says what happened 50 or 60 years ago in India and Pakistan, what does that have to do with me?" Mr Narasimhan added.
When it comes to first-generation Pakistani Americans, 9/11 and its aftermath stand out - Mr Syed said it shaped a lot of their experiences in the US. The 11 September attacks led to hate crimes, threats against Muslims, Sikhs and people of Arab and South Asian descent.
Critics of President Donald Trump say that the US has seen an uptick in anti-minority and xenophobic rhetoric since his victory. Mr Syed agrees, adding that Mr Trump is responsible for "a rise in hate, bigotry and anti-immigration sentiment".
President Donald Trump enjoys less support than Mr Biden among the South Asian diaspora
"[With] the events especially in the Trump administration, I did put my faith on my sleeve. I said I want people to know this is what a Muslim American looks like."
'What affects us is local'
The Pakistani-American community is nearly a million strong, while Indian Americans are said to total around 4.5 million. Both tend to lean Democratic. According to a 2016 survey, 88% of Pakistani Americans and 77% of Indian Americans voted for Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton last election. Only 5% of the former and 16% of the latter voted for Mr Trump, the survey found.
This year members of both diaspora are working together to rally support for the candidate of their choice - not just for the presidential election but also for the Senate and Congressional seats that are on the ticket.
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Indian American Manu Mathews and his Pakistani American friend, Rao Kamran Ali, have been rallying support for their local Democratic candidate, Candace Valenzuela, to represent their congressional district in Texas.
"We try and avoid conversations we know we are not going to agree on," Mr Mathew said, referring to tensions between India and Pakistan.
It's the same on the Republican side. India-born realtor Raj Kathuria and Pakistani American Shahab Qarni are friends who live 20 minutes from each other. They have both been campaigning online for Mr Trump.
For Mr Kathuria, whose parents migrated from a newly-created Pakistan to India during partition, issues or tensions between the two countries are important and personal. But at the same time, he says, it doesn't affect his life in the US. "What affects us is the local politics," he added.
It's unclear which way Pakistani Americans are leaning, but over 70% of Indian Americans plan to vote for Mr Biden in the upcoming election, according to the 2020 Indian American Attitudes survey. This suggests that the community will largely vote Democrat as always.
This is despite the headline-grabbing friendship between Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Mr Trump. Last year in September, they appeared together in Houston at an event named "Howdy Modi", where Mr Trump declared: "You have never had a better friend as president than President Donald Trump".
And in February, Mr Trump visited India, where he addressed a crowd of over 100,000 in Mr Modi's home state of Gujarat.
But according to the survey, Indian Americans "do not consider US-India relations to be one of the principal determinants of their vote choice in this election". Instead, like many other Americans, they view the economy and healthcare as the two most important issues
Source BBC
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Yeah, Biden by a country mile. I think Trump's defeat is gonna be one of the biggest in recent history, I'm predicting Carter 1980 type results.
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Joe Biden tells virtual rally the US needs ‘to stop four more years of George’
https://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/us-e...e-us-needs-to-stop-four-more-years-of-george/
Another gaff from sleepy Joe. These are getting worse and worse; this guy is not fit to be President.
To think people would vote for dimentia Joe - gotta be desperate.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/us-e...e-us-needs-to-stop-four-more-years-of-george/
Another gaff from sleepy Joe. These are getting worse and worse; this guy is not fit to be President.
To think people would vote for dimentia Joe - gotta be desperate.
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I’m getting all my family and friends in Texas to vote this time.. no let up
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Dont think so..
80 percent of texans have voted already
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All read. 80% of Texans have voted, and all 80% belled this bloke Nadeemp, and his side kick Stewie, to let them know how they voted.
You couldn't make this make up.
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Barrett to the top US court, a week from election day
The appointment will likely make the far-reaching decisions of the judicial body more conservative
Meanwhile, Biden campaigns in the key state of Georgia on Tuesday
The Democrat leads the Republican Trump in most national polls, but some key states are closer ahead of the 3 November election
Trump holds rallies in Michigan, Wisconsin and Nebraska today
Melania Trump is also scheduled to make her first public appearance on the campaign trail since recovering from Covid
Early voter and absentee turnout has been substantially higher than it was in 2016
The appointment will likely make the far-reaching decisions of the judicial body more conservative
Meanwhile, Biden campaigns in the key state of Georgia on Tuesday
The Democrat leads the Republican Trump in most national polls, but some key states are closer ahead of the 3 November election
Trump holds rallies in Michigan, Wisconsin and Nebraska today
Melania Trump is also scheduled to make her first public appearance on the campaign trail since recovering from Covid
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Neither of the two US presidential candidates will be good for the Middle East and North Africa - so says a recent survey of Arabs in the region.
That's the broad conclusion reached by around half of all those questioned in the poll conducted jointly by the polling research group YouGov and the Saudi-owned newspaper Arab News.
A further 40% thought Joe Biden would be better for the region, while only 12% preferred President Trump.
The poll was conducted online last month across 18 countries under the heading of What do Arabs Want?
Just over 3,000 people took part. Neither the incumbent Donald Trump nor his Democratic Party challenger Joe Biden emerge as being popular candidates.
But Biden comes out slightly better, partly due to the unpopularity of President Trump's decision in
December 2017 to move the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, something opposed by 89% of those polled.
However, the incumbent fared rather better in Iraq and Yemen, where majorities approved of his tough posture towards Iran, including sanctions.
Some 57% of Iraqi respondents said they approved of the US decision to assassinate the Iranian
Revolutionary Guards leader General Qasem Soleimani earlier this year, while exactly the same percentage in Syria opposed it.
That's the broad conclusion reached by around half of all those questioned in the poll conducted jointly by the polling research group YouGov and the Saudi-owned newspaper Arab News.
A further 40% thought Joe Biden would be better for the region, while only 12% preferred President Trump.
The poll was conducted online last month across 18 countries under the heading of What do Arabs Want?
Just over 3,000 people took part. Neither the incumbent Donald Trump nor his Democratic Party challenger Joe Biden emerge as being popular candidates.
But Biden comes out slightly better, partly due to the unpopularity of President Trump's decision in
December 2017 to move the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, something opposed by 89% of those polled.
However, the incumbent fared rather better in Iraq and Yemen, where majorities approved of his tough posture towards Iran, including sanctions.
Some 57% of Iraqi respondents said they approved of the US decision to assassinate the Iranian
Revolutionary Guards leader General Qasem Soleimani earlier this year, while exactly the same percentage in Syria opposed it.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Joe Biden's chance of winning the electoral college has reached a new high of 95% according to our model<a href="https://t.co/kevYOooec2">https://t.co/kevYOooec2</a> <a href="https://t.co/hY68LY7LTY">pic.twitter.com/hY68LY7LTY</a></p>— Alex Selby-Boothroyd (@AlexSelbyB) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexSelbyB/status/1320711191963095040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Its not over till the fat lady sings. They will try voter suppression. You know hat happened in Wisconsin yesterday. That was a swing state. Full on voter suppression going on with the blessing of the SC
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Dad just came back from a trip to the US and he is shocked that whatever CNN reports about Biden having overwhelming support and a lead over Trump is not accurate at all and that Trump actually enjoys a massive amount of cult support that the media is either suppressing or not reporting. He fears that these Trump supporters will show reality by turning in massive unprecedented numbers on Nov 3.
His supporters are more vocal and they dont believe in the virus so are out and about. But trump is losing in almost all polls. However there is a percentage of people who are too ashamed to say they will vote for Trump ( in polls). But come election time, they will stamp their vote for him.So you never know
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Where in US did your dad go?
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Yep never said it out publically but pulled a stunt in 2016 Election but this term tbh I didn't see any progress against China and he didn't even get the charter schools going
So voted Republican everywhere except for presidency
So yeah in some ways You are right but Trump really didn't fulfill a lot of his promises even with a senate majority so I don't think people would be stocked to vote for him again this time around because know we have a record to look back on
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Hope Trump wins.
A Biden win will ensure that some country is invaded and the geopolitical result will have ramifications for the subcontinent in one way or the other.
And by the end of his reign he won't even remember the country he sent troops to.
A Biden win will ensure that some country is invaded and the geopolitical result will have ramifications for the subcontinent in one way or the other.
And by the end of his reign he won't even remember the country he sent troops to.
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A bit rich considering how bizarre your cult leader is in his speeches, heck, he can't even properly speak, repeats the same thing over and over so his stupid supporters can take it all in.
How does it feel to be in the wrong side of history? Stop being so prideful and see the **** for what it is.
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Awww. I understand, these gaffes by sleepy Joe are far more embarrassing than Trump's antics. Caught lying about fracking to. Killed his chances in oil rich states. Meanwhile Trump doesn't pretend to be a politican, whereas Joe can't remember he's a politican! You know what Obama said about Biden?
How am I on the wrong side? I should be asking you liberal snowflakes how does it feels to be on the losing side of 2016, and soon to be 2020?
Go Rockstar! Go!
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Trump is the most pro-life president in American history. #MAGA
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Out in the suburbs and counties, it’s trump territory mostly.
Bigger cities are Dem hubs. Even in the reddest of states, Texas.. Houston and Austin are blue areas.
Most major population centers are dem territories and they dont wear their hearts on the sleeve like trumpsters.. im sure your dad saw what I see everyday.. trump pence signs on every front yard..
Which is fine.. but that does not mean he is leading or winning. I guess we will find out soon... but from what I am hearing based on early voting, most dem populated areas are seeing massive turnouts in early polling. The minorities are really mobilizing..
It will be interesting to see how this goes..
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Early voting in the US election has now topped 70 million, more than half of the total turnout in 2016
Many of those casting their ballots early are seeking to reduce their exposure to coronavirus
Joe Biden campaigned in the key state of Georgia on Tuesday, which Democrats hope to wrest from Republicans
He made a scathing attack on Donald Trump's handling of the coronavirus crisis, saying the president had failed the US
President Trump held rallies in Michigan, Wisconsin and Nebraska
Trump again questioned the integrity of the election, saying it would be "inappropriate" to take extra time to count postal votes
Trump will hold two rallies today in Arizona – a battlegroEarly voting in the US election has now topped 70 million, more than half of the total turnout in 2016
Many of those casting their ballots early are seeking to reduce their exposure to coronavirus
Joe Biden campaigned in the key state of Georgia on Tuesday, which Democrats hope to wrest from Republicans
He made a scathing attack on Donald Trump's handling of the coronavirus crisis, saying the president had failed the US
President Trump held rallies in Michigan, Wisconsin and Nebraska
Trump again questioned the integrity of the election, saying it would be "inappropriate" to take extra time to count postal votes
Trump will hold two rallies today in Arizona – a battleground state where polls suggest Biden has the edge
Biden will give a speech near his home in Delaware on his plans to combat Covid-19 and protect Americans with pre-existing health conditions
In between the news and views from the campaign trail, our theme today is climate change and the electionund state where polls suggest Biden has the edge
Biden will give a speech near his home in Delaware on his plans to combat Covid-19 and protect Americans with pre-existing health conditions
In between the news and views from the campaign trail, our theme today is climate change and the election
Many of those casting their ballots early are seeking to reduce their exposure to coronavirus
Joe Biden campaigned in the key state of Georgia on Tuesday, which Democrats hope to wrest from Republicans
He made a scathing attack on Donald Trump's handling of the coronavirus crisis, saying the president had failed the US
President Trump held rallies in Michigan, Wisconsin and Nebraska
Trump again questioned the integrity of the election, saying it would be "inappropriate" to take extra time to count postal votes
Trump will hold two rallies today in Arizona – a battlegroEarly voting in the US election has now topped 70 million, more than half of the total turnout in 2016
Many of those casting their ballots early are seeking to reduce their exposure to coronavirus
Joe Biden campaigned in the key state of Georgia on Tuesday, which Democrats hope to wrest from Republicans
He made a scathing attack on Donald Trump's handling of the coronavirus crisis, saying the president had failed the US
President Trump held rallies in Michigan, Wisconsin and Nebraska
Trump again questioned the integrity of the election, saying it would be "inappropriate" to take extra time to count postal votes
Trump will hold two rallies today in Arizona – a battleground state where polls suggest Biden has the edge
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The US has faced a reckoning over race relations in recent months, and now protests in Philadelphia over the police shooting of a black man have again thrown the issue into the spotlight.
Walter Wallace, 27, was fatally shot by police on Monday - his family say he was experiencing a mental health crisis at the time. Police say he refused to drop a knife he was holding. Hundreds of protesters have marched through the city for two nights. Officials say 30 police officers were injured on Monday night.
“We cannot accept that in this country a mental health crisis ends in death,” Democratic candidates Joe Biden and Kamala Harris said on Tuesday.
“It makes the shock and grief and violence of yesterday’s shooting that much more painful, especially for a community that has already endured so much trauma.” They also condemned looting that took place on Monday, calling it a crime.
Donald Trump has attempted to tie the protesters to Biden, without providing evidence of a link. “Last night Philadelphia was torn up by Biden-supporting radicals,” he said on Tuesday.
“30 police officers, Philadelphia police officers, they were injured, some badly. Biden stands with the rioters, and I stand with the heroes of law enforcement.”
Walter Wallace, 27, was fatally shot by police on Monday - his family say he was experiencing a mental health crisis at the time. Police say he refused to drop a knife he was holding. Hundreds of protesters have marched through the city for two nights. Officials say 30 police officers were injured on Monday night.
“We cannot accept that in this country a mental health crisis ends in death,” Democratic candidates Joe Biden and Kamala Harris said on Tuesday.
“It makes the shock and grief and violence of yesterday’s shooting that much more painful, especially for a community that has already endured so much trauma.” They also condemned looting that took place on Monday, calling it a crime.
Donald Trump has attempted to tie the protesters to Biden, without providing evidence of a link. “Last night Philadelphia was torn up by Biden-supporting radicals,” he said on Tuesday.
“30 police officers, Philadelphia police officers, they were injured, some badly. Biden stands with the rioters, and I stand with the heroes of law enforcement.”
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Donald Trump continues his frenetic pace of campaigning in North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan
His Democratic rival Joe Biden will campaign in Pennsylvania and Ohio ahead of Tuesday's poll
Biden will be joined by Lady Gaga at a rally in Pittsburgh, while singer John Legend appears with running mate Kamala Harris in Philadelphia
More than 90 million people have already voted
The country is on course for its highest electoral turnout rate in more than a century
The FBI says it's investigating after a convoy of vehicles with Trump flags surrounded a bus carrying Biden campaign staff on a Texas highway
The final push for votes follows America’s worst ever week for new coronavirus cases, with more than 1,000 people dying each day
Today we'll be spotlighting Covid-19 as a major election issue, and looking at how it might affect the result
His Democratic rival Joe Biden will campaign in Pennsylvania and Ohio ahead of Tuesday's poll
Biden will be joined by Lady Gaga at a rally in Pittsburgh, while singer John Legend appears with running mate Kamala Harris in Philadelphia
More than 90 million people have already voted
The country is on course for its highest electoral turnout rate in more than a century
The FBI says it's investigating after a convoy of vehicles with Trump flags surrounded a bus carrying Biden campaign staff on a Texas highway
The final push for votes follows America’s worst ever week for new coronavirus cases, with more than 1,000 people dying each day
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The presidential race has almost been run, but after election day, patience may be needed.
We may not find out who's won on Tuesday. In fact, it could be days before the result becomes clear.
That’s not unusual by historical standards though, and it's common practice for votes to be counted after election day.
The coronavirus pandemic has complicated matters as well. The increase in mail-in voting is expected to push back the release of full results in many key states.
This is because states start pre-processing and tabulating, or tallying, their votes on different dates. Some states, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin for example, do not begin pre-processing ballots until election day, meaning their results may take longer.
The core message is: be wary of the numbers. A candidate who takes an early lead may end up being overtaken as postal or in-person votes are tallied.
We may not find out who's won on Tuesday. In fact, it could be days before the result becomes clear.
That’s not unusual by historical standards though, and it's common practice for votes to be counted after election day.
The coronavirus pandemic has complicated matters as well. The increase in mail-in voting is expected to push back the release of full results in many key states.
This is because states start pre-processing and tabulating, or tallying, their votes on different dates. Some states, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin for example, do not begin pre-processing ballots until election day, meaning their results may take longer.
The core message is: be wary of the numbers. A candidate who takes an early lead may end up being overtaken as postal or in-person votes are tallied.
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Biden was screaming live in MN with his old man sunglasses, and CNN and MSNBC weren't even airing it. Tells you how embarrassing Biden is.
Even my dog was growling at the telly.
Even my dog was growling at the telly.
Mate, your leader on worldwide TV seriously enquired into the possibility of injecting disinfectants to cure COVID a few months ago, claimed there were airports in the American Revolutionary War and asked for Puerto Ricans to vote for him when they're ineligible to vote in Presidential elections.
So you don't want to go down the road of "cognitive decline" our little Kiwi troll.
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US election 2020: People in Michigan are buying guns in fear of post-election civil unrest
They were waiting in their cars before opening time and, as the doors were unlocked, Detroit's newest gun owners streamed in to buy firearms.
"They don't even know the process," Bill Kucyk, the gun shop owner told us.
"They just want to buy guns - and I'm getting about a hundred calls a day about it."
He motioned to an empty stack of shelves in front of him. "Normally I'd have about a hundred guns in this cabinet but they've been sold twice over. The store has been cleaned out several times."
The citizens of the key swing state of Michigan are arming themselves because of fears of civil unrest in the event of a disputed election result.
A young mother of two, Lexus Lewis was trying to buy a 12-gauge shotgun which she was struggling to hold up to her shoulder.
"She's going to need some serious training to use that," Mr Kucyk told us as we watched her wrestling with the weapon.
But Ms Lewis - like everyone else we spoke to in the shop - is very concerned about security and protecting her family from an unspecified threat.
"All of this is new," she confessed to us. "I've always been a little insecure living in Detroit, Michigan, but it's all new to me... people are doing things that we've never even thought about doing before... taking it to limits that we never thought about going before."
The insecurity is down to a collection of factors which have stoked and fuelled worries - not least, the proliferation of militia groups in the state and throughout the country.
In recent weeks, Michigan has shown itself to be a hotspot for homegrown militant activity.
The most high-profile example is the discovery by the FBI of a plot by an outfit called the Wolverine Watchmen to kidnap the Democratic governor Gretchen Whitmer because of her coronavirus lockdown measures. The investigations led to the arrest of more than a dozen men, some of whom are accused of driving to a meeting hoping to buy explosives and tactical gear only to find themselves at the centre of a set-up by the FBI.
Just days ago, the FBI and Michigan state police arrested a self-proclaimed leader of the white supremacy group, the Base, accusing him of multiple crimes and running a "hate camp" in the state.
Counter-terrorism expert Javed Ali, who has more than 20 years' experience as a senior intelligence officer working in homeland security and the FBI, told us from his Michigan home that the threat of domestic terrorism is not going away quickly.
"It's not receding and it'll be a permanent feature of the United States for some long period time. We dealt with al Qaeda and ISIS for more than 20 years... will that be the same with domestic terrorism? It will be something that's with us for some time in the future."
Mr Ali believes three key factors have led to this apparent sudden spike in domestic terrorist threats. The impact of the pandemic and the restrictions that have come with that, the social justice protests initially sparked by George Floyd's killing, and heightened political rhetoric have fuelled individuals to plan violent action.
For decades, US counter-terrorism efforts have been focused on foiling threats from terror groups like al Qaeda and then ISIS while far-right extremists, white supremacists and anti-government anarchists thrived in the shadows, largely on social media platforms, garnering support and often stoking division.
Days before the governor's kidnap plot was unearthed, the Department of Homeland Security issued a 26-page document warning the threat from homegrown terror groups far outweighs that from international terror groups.
It issued chilling warnings about domestic extremists potentially targeting "events related to the 2020 presidential campaigns, the election itself, election results, or the post-election period".
It's a view espoused by Democratic congresswomen Elissa Slotkin, who we saw campaigning in Brighton in Livingstone County in the final few days before the election.
Ms Slotkin is a former CIA officer who served three terms in Iraq studying the evolution of terror groups in the Middle East. She spoke stirringly to the small audience who'd turned out on the last Saturday before election day about what she described as the "toxic" atmosphere emanating from the top and dripping down to the rest of the country - empowering extremists and enabling "hate speech and hate rhetoric" to be normalised.
Later, inside the Democratic Party campaign office, she spoke of her fears about radicalisation of members growing out of initially idealistic motives.
She said: "There's a ladder of escalation that as a former CIA officer I used to watch in terrorist groups abroad... how does a young man in the middle of Iraq go from being a shopkeeper to a terrorist?... there's a ladder of escalation and I never thought that I would be using those skills to watch extremism in my own country," she told us.
Many of the groups are deeply suspicious of the authorities and the media, who they accuse of deliberately perpetuating negative propaganda about them. But we managed to persuade one - the Boogaloo Bois to agree to meet us in woodland in northern Michigan.
The Boogaloo Bois are a disparate, loosely-organised movement with no identifiable leader and no obvious structure of command. The members have a variety of beliefs and motives and they claim tens of thousands of supporters who - until they were purged from all the social media platforms a few weeks ago - used to communicate, through mainly Facebook. Some have far right leanings, most seem to be anti-government and anti-tyranny which has lately been interpreted as rebellion against coronavirus lockdowns or the confiscation and public display of weapons.
The group we met insisted they'd been mis-interpreted, that they were "patriots" who stood for "liberty and freedoms" and were the defenders of America's constitutional rights. The string of Boogaloo Bois arrested and accused of plotting or engaging in violent acts recently were "rogue elements" who'd had "breakdowns".
"The Boogaloo Bois means a single word: liberty," one told us. "It means justice for all. It's in our pledge of allegiance."
A man calling himself Typhon told us: "It's not the government's job to regulate us... hands off... don't regulate me, don't tread on me."
The group says they are 'patriots' who stand for 'liberty and freedoms'
Another group member called Tim insisted they were peaceful: "We help to calm situations if they get out of hand. I've pulled people out of teargas and helped people to safety. We will only meet violence with violence and that's only to bring the situation to a neutral setting."
We asked if he'd be prepared to kill in the name of "liberty". There was a pause. "I'll kill someone in the defence of the innocent... and if that has to do with defending liberty then so be it."
The multiple militia groups active in Michigan - and across America - have sent anxieties soaring in the midst of a particularly toxic election period. And the Boogaloo Bois are symptomatic of the challenges facing the American counter terrorism experts.
Javed Ali, who now lectures at the University of Michigan, said: "The Boogaloo Bos are not monolithic.
"There's no leader, no defined cells or organisational structure but I think this is a serious threat. The challenge is identifying those on that path to violence rather than those just exercising their first and second amendment rights. It's when you cross that line into violent political action, that makes you a very different person."
https://news.sky.com/story/us-elect...n-fear-of-post-election-civil-unrest-12121495
They were waiting in their cars before opening time and, as the doors were unlocked, Detroit's newest gun owners streamed in to buy firearms.
"They don't even know the process," Bill Kucyk, the gun shop owner told us.
"They just want to buy guns - and I'm getting about a hundred calls a day about it."
He motioned to an empty stack of shelves in front of him. "Normally I'd have about a hundred guns in this cabinet but they've been sold twice over. The store has been cleaned out several times."
The citizens of the key swing state of Michigan are arming themselves because of fears of civil unrest in the event of a disputed election result.
A young mother of two, Lexus Lewis was trying to buy a 12-gauge shotgun which she was struggling to hold up to her shoulder.
"She's going to need some serious training to use that," Mr Kucyk told us as we watched her wrestling with the weapon.
But Ms Lewis - like everyone else we spoke to in the shop - is very concerned about security and protecting her family from an unspecified threat.
"All of this is new," she confessed to us. "I've always been a little insecure living in Detroit, Michigan, but it's all new to me... people are doing things that we've never even thought about doing before... taking it to limits that we never thought about going before."
The insecurity is down to a collection of factors which have stoked and fuelled worries - not least, the proliferation of militia groups in the state and throughout the country.
In recent weeks, Michigan has shown itself to be a hotspot for homegrown militant activity.
The most high-profile example is the discovery by the FBI of a plot by an outfit called the Wolverine Watchmen to kidnap the Democratic governor Gretchen Whitmer because of her coronavirus lockdown measures. The investigations led to the arrest of more than a dozen men, some of whom are accused of driving to a meeting hoping to buy explosives and tactical gear only to find themselves at the centre of a set-up by the FBI.
Just days ago, the FBI and Michigan state police arrested a self-proclaimed leader of the white supremacy group, the Base, accusing him of multiple crimes and running a "hate camp" in the state.
Counter-terrorism expert Javed Ali, who has more than 20 years' experience as a senior intelligence officer working in homeland security and the FBI, told us from his Michigan home that the threat of domestic terrorism is not going away quickly.
"It's not receding and it'll be a permanent feature of the United States for some long period time. We dealt with al Qaeda and ISIS for more than 20 years... will that be the same with domestic terrorism? It will be something that's with us for some time in the future."
Mr Ali believes three key factors have led to this apparent sudden spike in domestic terrorist threats. The impact of the pandemic and the restrictions that have come with that, the social justice protests initially sparked by George Floyd's killing, and heightened political rhetoric have fuelled individuals to plan violent action.
For decades, US counter-terrorism efforts have been focused on foiling threats from terror groups like al Qaeda and then ISIS while far-right extremists, white supremacists and anti-government anarchists thrived in the shadows, largely on social media platforms, garnering support and often stoking division.
Days before the governor's kidnap plot was unearthed, the Department of Homeland Security issued a 26-page document warning the threat from homegrown terror groups far outweighs that from international terror groups.
It issued chilling warnings about domestic extremists potentially targeting "events related to the 2020 presidential campaigns, the election itself, election results, or the post-election period".
It's a view espoused by Democratic congresswomen Elissa Slotkin, who we saw campaigning in Brighton in Livingstone County in the final few days before the election.
Ms Slotkin is a former CIA officer who served three terms in Iraq studying the evolution of terror groups in the Middle East. She spoke stirringly to the small audience who'd turned out on the last Saturday before election day about what she described as the "toxic" atmosphere emanating from the top and dripping down to the rest of the country - empowering extremists and enabling "hate speech and hate rhetoric" to be normalised.
Later, inside the Democratic Party campaign office, she spoke of her fears about radicalisation of members growing out of initially idealistic motives.
She said: "There's a ladder of escalation that as a former CIA officer I used to watch in terrorist groups abroad... how does a young man in the middle of Iraq go from being a shopkeeper to a terrorist?... there's a ladder of escalation and I never thought that I would be using those skills to watch extremism in my own country," she told us.
Many of the groups are deeply suspicious of the authorities and the media, who they accuse of deliberately perpetuating negative propaganda about them. But we managed to persuade one - the Boogaloo Bois to agree to meet us in woodland in northern Michigan.
The Boogaloo Bois are a disparate, loosely-organised movement with no identifiable leader and no obvious structure of command. The members have a variety of beliefs and motives and they claim tens of thousands of supporters who - until they were purged from all the social media platforms a few weeks ago - used to communicate, through mainly Facebook. Some have far right leanings, most seem to be anti-government and anti-tyranny which has lately been interpreted as rebellion against coronavirus lockdowns or the confiscation and public display of weapons.
The group we met insisted they'd been mis-interpreted, that they were "patriots" who stood for "liberty and freedoms" and were the defenders of America's constitutional rights. The string of Boogaloo Bois arrested and accused of plotting or engaging in violent acts recently were "rogue elements" who'd had "breakdowns".
"The Boogaloo Bois means a single word: liberty," one told us. "It means justice for all. It's in our pledge of allegiance."
A man calling himself Typhon told us: "It's not the government's job to regulate us... hands off... don't regulate me, don't tread on me."
The group says they are 'patriots' who stand for 'liberty and freedoms'
Another group member called Tim insisted they were peaceful: "We help to calm situations if they get out of hand. I've pulled people out of teargas and helped people to safety. We will only meet violence with violence and that's only to bring the situation to a neutral setting."
We asked if he'd be prepared to kill in the name of "liberty". There was a pause. "I'll kill someone in the defence of the innocent... and if that has to do with defending liberty then so be it."
The multiple militia groups active in Michigan - and across America - have sent anxieties soaring in the midst of a particularly toxic election period. And the Boogaloo Bois are symptomatic of the challenges facing the American counter terrorism experts.
Javed Ali, who now lectures at the University of Michigan, said: "The Boogaloo Bos are not monolithic.
"There's no leader, no defined cells or organisational structure but I think this is a serious threat. The challenge is identifying those on that path to violence rather than those just exercising their first and second amendment rights. It's when you cross that line into violent political action, that makes you a very different person."
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SummaryMillions of Americans will head to the polls in person on Tuesday, adding their ballots to the more than 99 million already cast by early votersDonald Trump, 74, is seeking to avoid becoming the first incumbent president to lose a re-election fight since George HW Bush in 1992National polls show Democratic candidate Joe Biden, 77, with a broad lead, but the race is close in key battleground states needed to win the presidencyRecord early voting has been fuelled by the pandemic and the US is on course for its highest electoral turnout in more than a centuryThe election comes after America’s worst-ever week for new coronavirus cases, with more than 1,000 people dying each dayThe first polls close at 23:00GMT (18:00EST) in the eastern US, but will be open until 06:00GMT Wednesday in AlaskaRules around processing mail-in ballots vary across the country, so in some states counting will not finish on election night
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Americans are voting in one of the most divisive presidential elections in decades, pitting incumbent Republican Donald Trump against his Democratic challenger Joe Biden.
The first polls opened from 05:00 EST (10:00 GMT) in Vermont.
Nearly 100 million people have already cast their ballots in early voting, putting the country on course for its highest turnout in a century.
Both rivals spent the final hours of the race rallying in key swing states.
National polls give a firm lead to Mr Biden, but it is a closer race in the states that could decide the outcome.
Live updates: Election day dawns as US picks Trump or BidenThree election headlines you could wake up toWhat to look out for on election night
In the US election, voters decide state-level contests rather than an overall single national one.
Among the first swing states to begin election-day voting on Tuesday are the key battlegrounds of North Carolina and Ohio (11:30 GMT), followed half an hour later by Florida, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin. Arizona will follow at 13:00 GMT.
To be elected president, a candidate must win at least 270 votes in what is called the electoral college. Each US state gets a certain number of votes partly based on its population and there are a total of 538 up for grabs.
This system explains why it is possible for a candidate to win the most votes nationally - as Hillary Clinton did in 2016 - but still lose the election.
Control of the Senate is also at stake in these elections, with the Democrats seeking to gain control of both houses of Congress and the White House for the first time since early in Barack Obama's first term.
The coronavirus pandemic has at times overshadowed the election campaign, with the epidemic in the US worsening over the final weeks of the race. The country has recorded more cases and more deaths than anywhere else in the world, and fear of infection has contributed to an unprecedented surge in early and postal voting.
image captionSecurity fencing was erected in front of the White House ahead of voting day
There are fears that pockets of post-election violence could break out as the results come in.
A new "non-scalable" fence has been put up around the White House in Washington DC. Businesses in the nation's capital and also in New York City have been seen boarding up their premises due to concerns about unrest.
The first polls opened from 05:00 EST (10:00 GMT) in Vermont.
Nearly 100 million people have already cast their ballots in early voting, putting the country on course for its highest turnout in a century.
Both rivals spent the final hours of the race rallying in key swing states.
National polls give a firm lead to Mr Biden, but it is a closer race in the states that could decide the outcome.
Live updates: Election day dawns as US picks Trump or BidenThree election headlines you could wake up toWhat to look out for on election night
In the US election, voters decide state-level contests rather than an overall single national one.
Among the first swing states to begin election-day voting on Tuesday are the key battlegrounds of North Carolina and Ohio (11:30 GMT), followed half an hour later by Florida, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin. Arizona will follow at 13:00 GMT.
To be elected president, a candidate must win at least 270 votes in what is called the electoral college. Each US state gets a certain number of votes partly based on its population and there are a total of 538 up for grabs.
This system explains why it is possible for a candidate to win the most votes nationally - as Hillary Clinton did in 2016 - but still lose the election.
Control of the Senate is also at stake in these elections, with the Democrats seeking to gain control of both houses of Congress and the White House for the first time since early in Barack Obama's first term.
The coronavirus pandemic has at times overshadowed the election campaign, with the epidemic in the US worsening over the final weeks of the race. The country has recorded more cases and more deaths than anywhere else in the world, and fear of infection has contributed to an unprecedented surge in early and postal voting.
image captionSecurity fencing was erected in front of the White House ahead of voting day
There are fears that pockets of post-election violence could break out as the results come in.
A new "non-scalable" fence has been put up around the White House in Washington DC. Businesses in the nation's capital and also in New York City have been seen boarding up their premises due to concerns about unrest.
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Hoping for Donald trump, main reason being he sees through the peace process in Afghanistan so no foreign RATS can use Afghan as base for terrorist activities in to pakistan, I'm sure a few of our well informed associates on here are clued up on this.
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For me, this might be Trump's positive legacy.
That region and its brave people have suffered so much pain. Peace is the only way for Afghanistan.
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Afghanistan is not important and definitely not at the expense of America itself
Simply not cut out for this job, above his mental capacity
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I think for the Muslim world his main legacy will be completely and totally destroying any chance of freedom and a separate homeland for the Palestinians. He recognized Jerusalem, rather than Tel Aviv as the capital of Israel, he completely stopped the US backing of a two state solution there, he unconditionally backed the Israelis, and got his traitor Muslim friends in UAE and KSA to support him and recognize Israel. I think it’s rather fair to suggest the Palestinian Liberation efforts were dealt a death blow due to his policies.
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This generation has to be the most pathetic of them all. They can't decide whether they are a girl or a boy, but know exactly who to vote for; even if they don't believe in their vote! Liberalism in a nutshell.
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As if the Failistinians were going anywhere under other US Presidents.
Fact remains the one good thing about Trump = no new wars. And since all wars happened in the Middle East under Obama, Bush Jr, Bush Sr etc., that's a start.
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Whether you want to admit it or not the fact is that the best solution in the palestinian/Israel conflict is a two state solution. Obama administration had identified that and were working towards it. Perhaps you need to educate yourself a bit more on that issue. It’s apartheid over there.
Trump has undone that work. You have to view the reality of it through on objective filter rather than a prejudiced one.
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I’m glad you accepted that. Maybe the next step is to see how that came about even stronger than ever before with Steve Miller at the helm of trump FP on the issue. He is a known Zionist supporter. Obama had provided a bit more moderate policy. So regardless of how you view the Afghan situation, overall, the Trump admin has been more anti Muslim than other administrations.
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Here's a true story.
Disabled Iranian/American man gets married.
His parents get some money together and send it to him so he can buy a house with his new bride.
He's now in jail for breaking US Sanction laws..
Now you may say he was being stupid but it was his parents hard earned Money which they sent to make their disabled son's life easier. Would this have happened before Trump?
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Trump bestowed clemency on more black prisoners than white. Would this have happened before Trump?
More Amreekan troops have been recalled home. Would this have happened before Trump?
Drone bombings on Pakistan borders etc have all but stopped. Would this have happened before Trump?
This list is endless. Don't listen to a liberal loner with a dog.
More Amreekan troops have been recalled home. Would this have happened before Trump?
Drone bombings on Pakistan borders etc have all but stopped. Would this have happened before Trump?
This list is endless. Don't listen to a liberal loner with a dog.
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Millions of Americans are heading to the polls in person on Tuesday, adding their ballots to the more than 99 million already cast by early voters
Donald Trump, 74, is seeking to avoid becoming the first incumbent president to lose a re-election fight since George HW Bush in 1992
National polls show Democratic candidate Joe Biden, 77, with a broad lead, but the race is close in key battleground states needed to win the presidency
Record early voting has been fuelled by the pandemic and the US is on course for its highest electoral turnout in more than a century
The election comes after America’s worst-ever week for new coronavirus cases, with more than 1,000 people dying each day
The first polls close at 23:00GMT (18:00EST) in the eastern US, but will be open until 06:00GMT Wednesday in Alaska
Rules around processing mail-in ballots vary across the country, so in some states counting will not finish on election night
Donald Trump, 74, is seeking to avoid becoming the first incumbent president to lose a re-election fight since George HW Bush in 1992
National polls show Democratic candidate Joe Biden, 77, with a broad lead, but the race is close in key battleground states needed to win the presidency
Record early voting has been fuelled by the pandemic and the US is on course for its highest electoral turnout in more than a century
The election comes after America’s worst-ever week for new coronavirus cases, with more than 1,000 people dying each day
The first polls close at 23:00GMT (18:00EST) in the eastern US, but will be open until 06:00GMT Wednesday in Alaska
Rules around processing mail-in ballots vary across the country, so in some states counting will not finish on election night
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Leash missing here.
As if Pakistani authorities would remain silent on drone attacks. Oh no wait, must be a conspiracy.
Woof woof, fetch a dog a bone.
Still, Trump is racist for bestowing clemency on more black prisoners than white.
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No Trump is just "least" racist
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Summary
Results suggest a tight race in key states including Florida, with the candidates needing 270 electoral college votes to secure the presidency
Republican Donald Trump is projected to hold 19 states, including Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi and Missouri
Mr Trump is also projected to retain Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, West Virginia, Wyoming
Democratic challenger Joe Biden is projected to secure California, which accounts for 55 electoral college votes, along with Washington DC, Vermont, Delaware and Maryland
Mr Biden is also projected to win Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Colorado, New Mexico, New Hampshire, Illinois, Oregon, Virginia and Washington state
The US is on course for its highest turnout in more than a century and counting in some states will not finish on election night
An exit poll suggests four out of 10 voters nationally think the coronavirus response is "going very badly" but identifies the economy as the top issue
Results suggest a tight race in key states including Florida, with the candidates needing 270 electoral college votes to secure the presidency
Republican Donald Trump is projected to hold 19 states, including Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi and Missouri
Mr Trump is also projected to retain Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, West Virginia, Wyoming
Democratic challenger Joe Biden is projected to secure California, which accounts for 55 electoral college votes, along with Washington DC, Vermont, Delaware and Maryland
Mr Biden is also projected to win Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Colorado, New Mexico, New Hampshire, Illinois, Oregon, Virginia and Washington state
The US is on course for its highest turnout in more than a century and counting in some states will not finish on election night
An exit poll suggests four out of 10 voters nationally think the coronavirus response is "going very badly" but identifies the economy as the top issue
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Summary
Results suggest a tight race in the key battlegrounds of the Midwest and Rust Belt of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Iowa and Wisconsin
Donald Trump is so far projected to hold 21 states, including Texas and must-win Florida, having outperformed pollsters' predictions
Challenger Joe Biden could snatch Arizona, while projections have him securing a host of reliably Democratic states
Mr Biden tells supporters in Delaware the election is "not over until every ballot is counted" and insists: "We are on track to win"
Mr Trump tweets declaring "a big win" and promises a statement but has a post hidden by Twitter after accusing opponents of trying to "steal" the election
The US is on course for its highest turnout in more than a century and counting in some states will not finish on election night
Results suggest a tight race in the key battlegrounds of the Midwest and Rust Belt of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Iowa and Wisconsin
Donald Trump is so far projected to hold 21 states, including Texas and must-win Florida, having outperformed pollsters' predictions
Challenger Joe Biden could snatch Arizona, while projections have him securing a host of reliably Democratic states
Mr Biden tells supporters in Delaware the election is "not over until every ballot is counted" and insists: "We are on track to win"
Mr Trump tweets declaring "a big win" and promises a statement but has a post hidden by Twitter after accusing opponents of trying to "steal" the election
The US is on course for its highest turnout in more than a century and counting in some states will not finish on election night
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Donald Trump begins by saying he wants to thank the American people for their "tremendous support".
He says "millions and millions" of people have turned out to vote for him, but "a very sad group of people is trying to disenfranchise that group of people and we will not stand for it."
"We were getting ready for a big celebrations, and all of a sudden it was called off," he says.
"The results tonight have been phenomenal."
He says "millions and millions" of people have turned out to vote for him, but "a very sad group of people is trying to disenfranchise that group of people and we will not stand for it."
"We were getting ready for a big celebrations, and all of a sudden it was called off," he says.
"The results tonight have been phenomenal."
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Completely agree, trumps actions has in general offered more hope of peace in these regions than anyone I can remember.
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I don't see Biden winning this.
Trump is too far ahead and the uncounted votes have to be heavily in Biden's favor.
The results of this election thus far show no indication that that will be the case
Trump is too far ahead and the uncounted votes have to be heavily in Biden's favor.
The results of this election thus far show no indication that that will be the case
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Why has everything stopped?
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lol too far ahead in what?
Scoreline so far
Biden 236 - Trump 213
Unless you're talking about the 3 rustbelt states that will be decisive even then the major liberal cities haven't turned in their results and mail in voting hasn't been counted. This has been repeated a million times by broadcasters, almost half the votes were mailed in cause of coronavirus and won't be counted until this morning.
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Trump does have a point. What is to prevent corruption by the ballots being fictitiously mailed given the no of votes Biden is trailing by to help him make up the difference?
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This isn't some third world country; A LOT of people requested to vote by mail-in ballot because of the pandemic and those were overwhelmingly liberals because they took the virus seriously, if you haven't been following - Trump supporters generally considered the pandemic a hoax and took it lightly, they had a bigger turnout on election night. I know many people that voted by mailin ballot and all Biden supporters, if watch CNN right now they explain it really well.
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Trump has claimed victory, branded the election a ‘major fraud on the American public’ & demanded no more votes be counted.
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Republicans 'distressed' by Trump speech
Donald Trump has declared an unsupported victory in a speech from the ceremonial East Room of the White House - with millions of ballots yet to be counted
Several top Republicans and conservative commentators are expressing alarm at Trump's unsubstantiated comments.
Speaking on ABC News, former New Jersey Governor and Trump adviser Chris Christie called the president's speech the wrong move - both strategically, and as president.
"It's a bad strategic decision," he said. "It's a bad political decision."
Rick Santorum, former Republican Senator from Pennsylvania, said he was "very distressed" by Trump's comments. "Using the word fraud... I think is wrong," he said on CNN.
And Ben Shapiro, a conservative commentator and critic of Trump, tweeted calling the comments "deeply irresponsible".
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Donald Trump has declared an unsupported victory in a speech from the ceremonial East Room of the White House - with millions of ballots yet to be counted
Several top Republicans and conservative commentators are expressing alarm at Trump's unsubstantiated comments.
Speaking on ABC News, former New Jersey Governor and Trump adviser Chris Christie called the president's speech the wrong move - both strategically, and as president.
"It's a bad strategic decision," he said. "It's a bad political decision."
Rick Santorum, former Republican Senator from Pennsylvania, said he was "very distressed" by Trump's comments. "Using the word fraud... I think is wrong," he said on CNN.
And Ben Shapiro, a conservative commentator and critic of Trump, tweeted calling the comments "deeply irresponsible".
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LOL somebody tell him that’s not how elections work
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Whoever wins, good to see that america is moving in the right direction and the anarchist thugs and loonies will face strong resistance.
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One thing is for certain, the Democrats thought this election would be a calkwalk.
Oh boy oh boy, how the polls were wrong. I mean states where Biden was polled to have a lead of 8%, have gone to Trump with 2% win.
Polls are done for. Completely and utterly unreliable.
Oh boy oh boy, how the polls were wrong. I mean states where Biden was polled to have a lead of 8%, have gone to Trump with 2% win.
Polls are done for. Completely and utterly unreliable.
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He's an entertainer, and if he loses, the media, the liberals, and politics, will miss him. Of course he will no doubt continue to be vocal in the years to come.
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lol every reliably blue state went to biden with a 10-20% margin, unless you're talking about the few swingstates.
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