US report mentions Pakistan’s ‘military success’ over India in May conflict

[CricVet]

Oh what did you win in West Paksitan..dunno about Gilgit as that was never part of India and part of Kashmir was taken from independent Kahsmir and not India. India intervened after Kahsmir choose to align with secular country ...true to its Sufi root and not the Sunni extremism exported later .

Were you napping when Pakistan took away your bride Kasmir or total cowards not to take it back and more?

 

[straighttalk]

Were you napping when Pakistan took away your bride Kasmir or total cowards not to take it back and more?

Dude read your history...Pakistan invaded Kashmir before Kashmir was part of India. The peaceful Muslims and the king of Kahsmir were horrified to be part of a extremist Sunni country...they requested India to help..India said we can defend if you are part of India..they signed it..Indian army came in drove the Pakistani army back and Nehru agree to the ceasefire. Go read and come back. So you occupy a territory illegally..glad we are on the same page there...but didn't take it from India. Rather you lost occupied territory when India intervened.

 

[CricVet]

Dude read your history...Pakistan invaded Kashmir before Kashmir was part of India. The peaceful Muslims and the king of Kahsmir were horrified to be part of a extremist Sunni country...they requested India to help..India said we can defend if you are part of India..they signed it..Indian army came in drove the Pakistani army back and Nehru agree to the ceasefire. Go read and come back. So you occupy a territory illegally..glad we are on the same page there...but didn't take it from India. Rather you lost occupied territory when India intervened.

be back with reply in a moment after brunch... think hard before digging a hole for yourself

 

[straighttalk]

be back with reply in a moment after brunch... think hard before digging a hole for yourself

Sure will wait..always love a Pakistani debating after reading their Army whitewashed history..mwhile you dig the history..read the first three paragraphs of Wikipedia

Indo-Pakistani war of 1947–1948 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Pakistan occupied territory almost up to Srinagar before India intervened...pushed them back but then our Congress party accepted the ceasefire..remember both countries army were commanded by British generals...casualties were double on Paksitani side ....we agree you illegally occupy territory but that was captured before Kahsmir became part of India.


Now I will wait...share independent evidence not your Pak version. Wikipedia is independent or you can try editing it

 

[uppercut]

@big_gamer007 welcome to the "Andbhakt" club .... didnt know you converted lol

I knew andhbakhts will play dumb and pretend they are talking about the total jet count.

When the Total Indian jet count in that report is THREE your best case scenario for Rafale's is THREE. But then again Lahori Madrassa math might work differently

Par for the course for andhbakhts. They do what they accuse others of. I mean Trump is claiming 7 jets shot down, and the language clearly states that they are narrowing the scope to just Rafale. Yet andhbakhts will play dumb to make another meaning out of it. Oh well, I have wasted enough time arguing with these propagandists of highest order in the past that I know better not to waste more time now.

here is what Grok has to say about your post. Perhaps Grok is a Andhbhakt too like big_gamer?

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From a purely mathematical/logic perspective, the response you quoted is a textbook example of fallacious quantification and scope manipulation:

1. Undefined variable substitutionLet T = total Indian jets downedLet R = Rafale jets among themThe report states: T = 3 and “all may not have been Rafales” → R ≤ 3 (and likely R < 3).The response silently redefines the sentence to mean “R = 3, therefore T > 3” without any evidence. This is an illicit conversion of the quantifier (swapping universal/partial scope).
2. Introducing an extraneous variable with no supportIt injects Trump’s claim (T = 7 or 8) as an independent data point and treats it as authoritative, then performs an implicit T ≥ 7 assertion while the actual document fixes T = 3. Mathematically, this is multiplying by a fabricated constant with no citation.
3. Logical non sequitur disguised as deductionPremise 1: Report says “only three jets … and all may not have been Rafales”Premise 2 (invented): The “only” applies exclusively to RafalesConclusion: Therefore T ≥ 5–7This is an elementary scope fallacy: confusing ∀ (all downed jets) with ∃ (some downed jets).

In short, the response has zero mathematical validity. It is 100 % rhetorical sleight-of-hand that collapses the moment the actual universal quantifier in the report (“only three jets flown by India’s military”) is respected. It’s the logical equivalent of claiming “only three animals in the zoo are tigers, and not all may be tigers → the zoo has dozens of animals” and then insisting the total must be 50 because someone on Twitter said so

 

[ahsan17]

@big_gamer007 welcome to the "Andbhakt" club .... didnt know you converted lol




When the Total Indian jet count in that report is THREE your best case scenario for Rafale's is THREE. But then again Lahori Madrassa math might work differently



here is what Grok has to say about your post. Perhaps Grok is a Andhbhakt too like big_gamer?

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From a purely mathematical/logic perspective, the response you quoted is a textbook example of fallacious quantification and scope manipulation:

1. Undefined variable substitutionLet T = total Indian jets downedLet R = Rafale jets among themThe report states: T = 3 and “all may not have been Rafales” → R ≤ 3 (and likely R < 3).The response silently redefines the sentence to mean “R = 3, therefore T > 3” without any evidence. This is an illicit conversion of the quantifier (swapping universal/partial scope).
2. Introducing an extraneous variable with no supportIt injects Trump’s claim (T = 7 or 8) as an independent data point and treats it as authoritative, then performs an implicit T ≥ 7 assertion while the actual document fixes T = 3. Mathematically, this is multiplying by a fabricated constant with no citation.
3. Logical non sequitur disguised as deductionPremise 1: Report says “only three jets … and all may not have been Rafales”Premise 2 (invented): The “only” applies exclusively to RafalesConclusion: Therefore T ≥ 5–7This is an elementary scope fallacy: confusing ∀ (all downed jets) with ∃ (some downed jets).

In short, the response has zero mathematical validity. It is 100 % rhetorical sleight-of-hand that collapses the moment the actual universal quantifier in the report (“only three jets flown by India’s military”) is respected. It’s the logical equivalent of claiming “only three animals in the zoo are tigers, and not all may be tigers → the zoo has dozens of animals” and then insisting the total must be 50 because someone on Twitter said so

You are trying to use grok on a post that is meant to be an insult and not all of it meant to be taken literally? You do realize AI doesn't deal well with interpreting this stuff. The fact that you have to rely on grok to interpret a sentence means your English is obviously week and you don't have confidence in your comprehension skills.

How about this. Ask an English professor what this means. Grok is trained to say everything is false. It's literally saying we should ignore what Trump says, despite the fact that he's the leader of the same government that released this report.

It's quite obvious the initial part of the sentence is restricting scope to Rafale only. The fact that no one is claiming that only 3 jets were shotdown, except for andhbakhts playing dumb, says it all.

 

[uppercut]

You are trying to use grok on a post that is meant to be an insult and not all of it meant to be taken literally? You do realize AI doesn't deal well with interpreting this stuff. The fact that you have to rely on grok to interpret a sentence means your English is obviously week and you don't have confidence in your comprehension skills.

How about this. Ask an English professor what this means. Grok is trained to say everything is false. It's literally saying we should ignore what Trump says, despite the fact that he's the leader of the same government that released this report.

It's quite obvious the initial part of the sentence is restricting scope to Rafale only. The fact that no one is claiming that only 3 jets were shotdown, except for andhbakhts playing dumb, says it all.

Can you post the page number where that report says more than 3 ( THREE ) Indian jets were shot down and is in allignment with what Trump says ( which is what you claim )?

here is the link to that report again --> https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/2025-11/2025_Annual_Report_to_Congress.pdf

 

[CricVet]

Sure will wait..always love a Pakistani debating after reading their Army whitewashed history..mwhile you dig the history..read the first three paragraphs of Wikipedia

Indo-Pakistani war of 1947–1948 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Pakistan occupied territory almost up to Srinagar before India intervened...pushed them back but then our Congress party accepted the ceasefire..remember both countries army were commanded by British generals...casualties were double on Paksitani side ....we agree you illegally occupy territory but that was captured before Kahsmir became part of India.


Now I will wait...share independent evidence not your Pak version. Wikipedia is independent or you can try editing it

Now think as I was gonna post the same link, but due to my family obligations, I can't promptly answer anything to anyone as my arms get pulled from every corner and Pakpassion.net is one my my nirvana getaway.

First of all, you don't need to selectively quote me anything, a link is good enough.

2nd, back in those days, independent verifications were lame and propaganda driven - which is what much of the human history is based on. I take much of human history with a lot of salt; Unlike today when info travels instantaneously and no place to hide; just like your fighter planes.

Getting back to the subject without further fuss, my point is, if you were not able to understand: Going by Indian perspective, Once you assumed that Kashmir was supposed to be yours, in the history of 85+ years, why were you not able to take it back and more. By more I mean, since Akhand Bharat is part of Indian agenda, what stopped you from taking Kashmir back as it was supposed to be yours since the prince decided to be with India, or how about dismantling Pakistan altogether in these years and take over what was SUPPOSEDLY yours, forget Sindh?

 

[straighttalk]

Now think as I was gonna post the same link, but due to my family obligations, I can't promptly answer anything to anyone as my arms get pulled from every corner and Pakpassion.net is one my my nirvana getaway.

First of all, you don't need to selectively quote me anything, a link is good enough.

2nd, back in those days, independent verifications were lame and propaganda driven - which is what much of the human history is based on. I take much of human history with a lot of salt; Unlike today when info travels instantaneously and no place to hide; just like your fighter planes.

Getting back to the subject without further fuss, my point is, if you were not able to understand: Going by Indian perspective, Once you assumed that Kashmir was supposed to be yours, in the history of 85+ years, why were you not able to take it back and more. By more I mean, since Akhand Bharat is part of Indian agenda, what stopped you from taking Kashmir back as it was supposed to be yours since the prince decided to be with India, or how about dismantling Pakistan altogether in these years and take over what was SUPPOSEDLY yours, forget Sindh?

So you changed from you took Kashmir and apparently won a war to a new idea that India can't take pok away as part of akhand bharat.

tell me when did India try to invade pok and failed as in West Paksitan won. You could say I dia didn't dare to try. And honestly akhand bharat is just noise..India doesn't care..and Hinduvta folks want two nation like Muslim League...so increasing Islamic population hostile against India with jehadi philosophy would be the end of India...so it's never going to be a practical issue.

 

[CricVet]

So you changed from you took Kashmir and apparently won a war to a new idea that India can't take pok away as part of akhand bharat.

tell me when did India try to invade pok and failed as in West Paksitan won. You could say I dia didn't dare to try. And honestly akhand bharat is just noise..India doesn't care..and Hinduvta folks want two nation like Muslim League...so increasing Islamic population hostile against India with jehadi philosophy would be the end of India...so it's never going to be a practical issue.

IF you consider Kashmir as a part of India due to Prince providing accession, why have you not been able to get the ENTIRE Kashmir-is it not simple enough to understand?

 

[big_gamer007]

I knew andhbakhts will play dumb and pretend they are talking about the total jet count. Par for the course for andhbakhts. They do what they accuse others of. I mean Trump is claiming 7 jets shot down, and the language clearly states that they are narrowing the scope to just Rafale. Yet andhbakhts will play dumb to make another meaning out of it. Oh well, I have wasted enough time arguing with these propagandists of highest order in the past that I know better not to waste more time now.

The only one dumb in this exchange is you, your brainwashed mind fails you to understand simple English. Your mind is filled with propaganda and you can’t break the shackles around your mind. Sign of a weak individual.

Now when you are called out you bring in irrelevant points about Trumps claims.

The fact is, this thread is about a report, @uppercut quoted the entire paragraph from the report which clearly says that total 3 jets were believed to be down of which number of rafaels are unknown, can be 3 or can be 0.

But your brainwashed mind with propaganda your media showed during conflict has already believed there were 6-7 jets down, so your weak mind is not ready to read and understand basic English.

The question here isn’t how many planes were lost, whether trumps claim were correct, or this report is correct or Indian media reports are correct. The question here is how you are so weak minded that you have been brainwashed into believing a propaganda which doesn’t let you read and understand simple English.

 

[ahsan17]

The only one dumb in this exchange is you, your brainwashed mind fails you to understand simple English. Your mind is filled with propaganda and you can’t break the shackles around your mind. Sign of a weak individual.

Now when you are called out you bring in irrelevant points about Trumps claims.

The fact is, this thread is about a report, @uppercut quoted the entire paragraph from the report which clearly says that total 3 jets were believed to be down of which number of rafaels are unknown, can be 3 or can be 0.

But your brainwashed mind with propaganda your media showed during conflict has already believed there were 6-7 jets down, so your weak mind is not ready to read and understand basic English.

The question here isn’t how many planes were lost, whether trumps claim were correct, or this report is correct or Indian media reports are correct. The question here is how you are so weak minded that you have been brainwashed into believing a propaganda which doesn’t let you read and understand simple English.

Ok buddy, whatever you feel. I really don't waste time arguing with andhbakhts anymore. There's a reason why India is ranked far and away as number 1 country for disinformation and fake news. Enjoy celebrating 3 jets lost, lmao. Meanwhile, rest of the world clearly doesn't agree with whatever bakhts think.

 

[sweep_shot]

Ok buddy, whatever you feel. I really don't waste time arguing with andhbakhts anymore. There's a reason why India is ranked far and away as number 1 country for disinformation and fake news. Enjoy celebrating 3 jets lost, lmao. Meanwhile, rest of the world clearly doesn't agree with whatever bakhts think.

Save your energy and time.

It is not worth it to argue with the bhakts/sanghis. Learned that a long time ago.

 

[big_gamer007]

Ok buddy, whatever you feel. I really don't waste time arguing with andhbakhts anymore. There's a reason why India is ranked far and away as number 1 country for disinformation and fake news. Enjoy celebrating 3 jets lost, lmao. Meanwhile, rest of the world clearly doesn't agree with whatever bakhts think.

Again missing the point and showcasing your low IQ.

The quality of posters on these forums have dropped considerably.

You have no point to argue, it’s blatantly evident to everyone with a functioning brain how stupid your post was, you were caught and the only one who liked/agreed with you was the other dimwit who supports genocide and has an even lower IQ than cavemen.

 

[ahsan17]

Again missing the point and showcasing your low IQ.

The quality of posters on these forums have dropped considerably.

You have no point to argue, it’s blatantly evident to everyone with a functioning brain how stupid your post was, you were caught and the only one who liked/agreed with you was the other dimwit who supports genocide and has an even lower IQ than cavemen.

An andhbakht is judging the quality, lmao. The point has already been argued and settled. It doesn't matter what andhbakhts think, rest of the world has already decided I am right. Cry yourself to sleep over that.

 

[ahsan17]

Save your energy and time.

It is not worth it to argue with the bhakts/sanghis. Learned that a long time ago.

These guys don't realize what a global laughing stock they are these days. Nearly everyone of relevance agrees with the Pakistani version of events. They just want to keep inventing new stories, spreading fake news, deliberately playing dumb (shown above) and just troll. Modi has really done wonders for Pakistan with such brain rot he's added to India.

 

[big_gamer007]

An andhbakht is judging the quality, lmao. The point has already been argued and settled. It doesn't matter what andhbakhts think, rest of the world has already decided I am right. Cry yourself to sleep over that.

What is your definition of the term “andhbhakt” which you keep harping about?

 

[Hikaru]

Again missing the point and showcasing your low IQ.

The quality of posters on these forums have dropped considerably.

You have no point to argue, it’s blatantly evident to everyone with a functioning brain how stupid your post was, you were caught and the only one who liked/agreed with you was the other dimwit who supports genocide and has an even lower IQ than cavemen.

Forum quality has regressed considerably and the kind of people you mentioned are now a majority. International posters have dumped the forum already.

I personally stopped wasting my time engaging with people here, and would recommend the same to others.

 

[sweep_shot]

These guys don't realize what a global laughing stock they are these days. Nearly everyone of relevance agrees with the Pakistani version of events. They just want to keep inventing new stories, spreading fake news, deliberately playing dumb (shown above) and just troll. Modi has really done wonders for Pakistan with such brain rot he's added to India.

Yup.

I have never seen such a retarded group of people from any other country. They can give Flat Earthers a run for their money.

 

[uppercut]

What is your definition of the term “andhbhakt” which you keep harping about?

As of now Grok v4.1 is an "Andhbhakt" . ... so that should give you a clue

 

[straighttalk]

IF you consider Kashmir as a part of India due to Prince providing accession, why have you not been able to get the ENTIRE Kashmir-is it not simple enough to understand?

That is simple to understand..but your claim was Paksitan has won wars on western front. Then as an example you mentioned you occupy parts of Kashmir.
I think you admit that was before Kashmir was part of India. So the conclusion of that is Paksitan has not won a single war against India.
65- Pakistan attacked and was beaten back.
71- Pakistan attacked and lost Bangaldesh.
84- India occupied Siachen
99- Pakistan attacked and didn't get to occupy a single post. Had to rush to USA for elder Sharif to get humiliated.

Now if you are saying India cannot take Pak occupied Kashmir...that's a question we have no answer as India never tried to attack Kashmir that is under Paksitans control. So that discussion is a separate discussion.

 

[CricVet]

That is simple to understand..but your claim was Paksitan has won wars on western front. Then as an example you mentioned you occupy parts of Kashmir.
I think you admit that was before Kashmir was part of India. So the conclusion of that is Paksitan has not won a single war against India.
65- Pakistan attacked and was beaten back.
71- Pakistan attacked and lost Bangaldesh.
84- India occupied Siachen
99- Pakistan attacked and didn't get to occupy a single post. Had to rush to USA for elder Sharif to get humiliated.

Now if you are saying India cannot take Pak occupied Kashmir...that's a question we have no answer as India never tried to attack Kashmir that is under Paksitans control. So that discussion is a separate discussion.

FOT THE LAST TIME, Western front - so stop this 71 garbage (as I have gone through multiple times in the past explaining that Eastern Pak was almost impossible do defend when 1) it was on the other side of India 2) Pak political mess created by PA generals and its politicians).

We are ONLY talking about WEST!

Now, IF Kashmir is rightly yours (according to Indian narrative since prince provided accession), that is almost 35% of YOUR CLAIMED LAND which has been under Pak military control since almost independence. Whether Pak took it during a war or you put any context to it, it is rightfully yours, right?

What would you call it when a military occupation occurs and the enemy has been unable to defend\capture back? Who controls the more captured land, India or western Pakistan?

 

[finalfantasy7]

All the videos you shared are opinions too..if you disregard opinions made by proIndian narrative...no reason to buy narratives from pro Paksitank groups particularly when France and USA have said Paksitan and China are sharing fake images to embellish the number of jets down. French head of intelligence is on record saying one rafale was down due to technical issues during the operation.

trump states more jets, everyone has stated more jets than 1

you lot keep dreaming

 

[straighttalk]

trump states more jets, everyone has stated more jets than 1

you lot keep dreaming

Ok he is the most trustworthy source. .why don't all those people share the evidence...someone has to see something ...any of the reputed channels can stop quoting the fake Reuters article and actually show the wreckage or whatever satellite images they were using..case closed. Just quoting Pak claims isn't proof