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The yanks have just thrown the Kurds under a bus - nice way to treat your allies.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: White House: Turkey will soon invade Northern Syria, casting uncertainty on fate of Kurdish fighters allied with US. <a href="https://t.co/QEYoZDWGbk">https://t.co/QEYoZDWGbk</a></p>— The Associated Press (@AP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AP/status/1181051667120316418?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The US will step aside for an imminent Turkish operation against Kurdish-led forces in north-eastern Syria, the White House has said, in a major shift.

Turkey wants to clear Kurdish militiamen - whom it regards as terrorists - away from the border.

The Turks would become responsible for all Islamic State (IS) group prisoners in the area, the US statement said.

Kurdish YPG fighters have until now received strong support from the US, which has hundreds of troops in Syria.

In January, President Trump threatened to "devastate Turkey economically" if it attacked Kurdish forces following a planned US pullout from Syria.

However, the White House statement issued on Sunday makes no reference to the YPG, which has played a leading role in defeating IS - also known as Isis - in Syria.

The statement followed a phone call between President Donald Trump and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

What did the White House say?
"Turkey will soon be moving forward with its long-planned operation into Northern Syria," the statement said.

"The United States Armed Forces will not support or be involved in the operation, and United States forces, having defeated the ISIS territorial 'Caliphate', will no longer be in the immediate area."

The White House also said that Turkey would take over all responsibility for Islamic State (IS) group fighters captured over the past two years.

"The United States government has pressed France, Germany, and other European nations, from which many captured ISIS fighters came, to take them back but they did not want them and refused.

"The United States will not hold them for what could be many years and great cost to the United States taxpayer."

Late on Sunday, Mr Erdogan's office said that he and President Trump had spoken on the phone about Turkey's plan to set up a "safe zone" in North-Eastern Syria.

It said the move was needed to combat "terrorists" and create "the conditions necessary for the return of Syrian refugees to their native country".

Turkey hosts more than 3.6 million Syrians who fled the civil war that began in 2011. It wants to move up to two million of the refugees from its territory into the zone.

In his call with Mr Trump, President Erdogan also expressed his "frustration over the US military and security bureaucracy's failure" to implement an agreement about the zone reached in August, his office said.

On Saturday, he warned that Turkish forces could launch a cross-border offensive in the coming days.

He has not given any details about the scale of the planned offensive.


What's the background?
The YPG was a major part of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), the US-supported force that defeated IS in Syria.

Turkey considers the YPG an extension of the banned Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) which has fought for Kurdish autonomy in Turkey for three decades.

The YPG denies any direct organisational links to the PKK.

Turkey has previously condemned the US for supporting the YPG.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49956698
 
So Turkey is going to invade and Trump is allowing this... also no one has issues with Turkey here as expected
 
Thats all you have to say about your fav leader invading another country here?

PKK is a terrorist group. YPG is indirectly a part of PKK and that is what Turks are fighting. PKK/YPG have killed many Turkish troops.

I feel for Kurds but they should try a different option.

This invasion is for security reason.
 
PKK is a terrorist group. YPG is indirectly a part of PKK and that is what Turks are fighting. PKK/YPG have killed many Turkish troops.

I feel for Kurds but they should try a different option.

This invasion is for security reason.

Ok.. just wanted to see what excuse you will use-‘security’ , thanks.
 
They are not invading whole of Syria. It is just the northern part.

I think this invasion is justified because YPG is a threat to Turkey. Turkey has been battling PKK (brain of YPG) for years. PKK killed many Turkish troops.
 
They are not invading whole of Syria. It is just the northern part.

I think this invasion is justified because YPG is a threat to Turkey. Turkey has been battling PKK (brain of YPG) for years. PKK killed many Turkish troops.

You are only shooting yourself in the foot, there is a reason why posters are avoiding this thread, don’t let your bias come out , and most countries only invade part of other countries saying security, America/NATO being the big exception.

You can just say you don’t care for Kurds and end the statement, you can’t have your cake and eat as well about peace etc.
 
You are only shooting yourself in the foot, there is a reason why posters are avoiding this thread, don’t let your bias come out , and most countries only invade part of other countries saying security, America/NATO being the big exception.

You can just say you don’t care for Kurds and end the statement, you can’t have your cake and eat as well about peace etc.

Considering Kurds are spreading chaos and instability in the name of Kurdistan from Iraq to Syria, I believe Turkey operation will keep those resistance groups at bay. Too many bloods have been spilled over the nationalism that only plunges further into the chaos.

Whether you are involved or not, chaos is inevitable but Turkey involvement if succeeded, In Sha ALLAH, will bring the regions back to stable for the time being.
 
Ahh! The peaceful Turkey.

You cannot afford to be peaceful specially when you are living in hostile neighbourhood. Turks are controlling part of Cyprus and already had forces inside Syria. They are doing in Syria what Pakistan would have done in Afghanistan if we had better economy i.e securing our national interest.

Turks are living upto their reputation and certain someone north of Sinai must be worried.
 
Considering Kurds are spreading chaos and instability in the name of Kurdistan from Iraq to Syria, I believe Turkey operation will keep those resistance groups at bay. Too many bloods have been spilled over the nationalism that only plunges further into the chaos.

Whether you are involved or not, chaos is inevitable but Turkey involvement if succeeded, In Sha ALLAH, will bring the regions back to stable for the time being.

Ok..so Turks not recognizing Kurds has nothing to do with this, Kurds should be grateful that Turkish Govn would recognize them as Mountain Turks instead of Kurds because its clearly an honor to be recognized as Turks.

Stability in homogeneous identity , Chinese are doing the same thing kudos to them to bringing stability?

By the way the same logic Islmaphobes use what you used for Kurds.
 
We have far too much suffering already and Turkey and the Kurds need to get back to the negotiating table to avoid bloodshed.

Abu Bakrah ath-Thaqafi (may Allāh be pleased with him) reported – The Prophet ṣallallāhu 'alayhi wa sallam (peace and blessings of Allāh be upon him) said “If two Muslims meet each other with their swords, then both the killer and the killed will be in the Hell-fire.”
https://muslimmatters.org/2012/05/22/riyad-as-saliheen-series-hadith-9/
 
You cannot afford to be peaceful specially when you are living in hostile neighbourhood. Turks are controlling part of Cyprus and already had forces inside Syria. They are doing in Syria what Pakistan would have done in Afghanistan if we had better economy i.e securing our national interest.

Turks are living upto their reputation and certain someone north of Sinai must be worried.

Nice, this is why I always say to righteous Tamizhans , that peaceful forces are subjective [MENTION=143530]Swashbuckler[/MENTION] hope you realize what I keep saying, that National Security is really important cause this is the bias India would have to deal with.
 
We have far too much suffering already and Turkey and the Kurds need to get back to the negotiating table to avoid bloodshed.

Abu Bakrah ath-Thaqafi (may Allāh be pleased with him) reported – The Prophet ṣallallāhu 'alayhi wa sallam (peace and blessings of Allāh be upon him) said “If two Muslims meet each other with their swords, then both the killer and the killed will be in the Hell-fire.”
https://muslimmatters.org/2012/05/22/riyad-as-saliheen-series-hadith-9/

This. Ideally, Muslims should avoid conflicts with each other but sadly, ethnic identities and material gain trumps principles. Even hazrat ALI (ra) had to fight against Amir Muawiya.
 
Nice, this is why I always say to righteous Tamizhans , that peaceful forces are subjective [MENTION=143530]Swashbuckler[/MENTION] hope you realize what I keep saying, that National Security is really important cause this is the bias India would have to deal with.

You do not need to worry about India's national security. Your planners and decision makers are astute and relentless. India has been expanding since 1947, just look at the maps from then and now.
 
We have far too much suffering already and Turkey and the Kurds need to get back to the negotiating table to avoid bloodshed.

Abu Bakrah ath-Thaqafi (may Allāh be pleased with him) reported – The Prophet ṣallallāhu 'alayhi wa sallam (peace and blessings of Allāh be upon him) said “If two Muslims meet each other with their swords, then both the killer and the killed will be in the Hell-fire.”
https://muslimmatters.org/2012/05/22/riyad-as-saliheen-series-hadith-9/

Agree with this one.

Turks and Kurds are both Muslims and they should resolve this without violence.

But, if PKK/YPG wants to fight, Turkey has the right to defend itself.
 
You do not need to worry about India's national security. Your planners and decision makers are astute and relentless. India has been expanding since 1947, just look at the maps from then and now.

I don’t.. am just explaining it to Righteous Indians( who i respect) a different pov.
 
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America decides to betray her allies one by one, now the brave Kurds who were instrumental in stopping one of the most dreaded terrorist organizations in the world. Shame, once again Trump proves that he is a mad man. US can never be trusted, India too needs to wake up from slumber and understand the nature of the American deep state, we need to maintain distance or we too will be exploited and betrayed.
 
America decides to betray her allies one by one, now the brave Kurds who were instrumental in stopping one of the most dreaded terrorist organizations in the world. Shame, once again Trump proves that he is a mad man. US can never be trusted, India too needs to wake up from slumber and understand the nature of the American deep state, we need to maintain distance or we too will be exploited and betrayed.

Spot on.

Dance with the Devil at your own peril. India will find out soon enough too.

Kurds are brave people but very foolish to side with the Americans who used them for their own strategic purposes. Kurds thought they could now build momentum to gain their own nation by attacking Turkey but now will be almost wiped out. Turkey has been waiting for this for decades, they will go very hard but you wont hear the details in the news.

I dont think Turkey should do this but make a political settlement of some sorts.
 
This. Ideally, Muslims should avoid conflicts with each other but sadly, ethnic identities and material gain trumps principles. Even hazrat ALI (ra) had to fight against Amir Muawiya.

but muslims against people of other beleifs is justified?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over...</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181232249821388801?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">....the captured ISIS fighters and families. The U.S. has done far more than anyone could have ever expected, including the capture of 100% of the ISIS Caliphate. It is time now for others in the region, some of great wealth, to protect their own territory. THE USA IS GREAT!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181232251390042118?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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"in my great and unmatched wisdom" :inti
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over...</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181232249821388801?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">....the captured ISIS fighters and families. The U.S. has done far more than anyone could have ever expected, including the capture of 100% of the ISIS Caliphate. It is time now for others in the region, some of great wealth, to protect their own territory. THE USA IS GREAT!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181232251390042118?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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"in my great and unmatched wisdom" :inti

Made me laugh so hard, like he put it there so someone mocks him :))
 
As long as Pak does not get involved Turkey has to deal with their own problems.
 
Seems like Erdogan has some split personality. Few days back talking about another country invasion blah blah and being an angel. Now he wants to invade Syria. You should be a fool to think that he is only protecting his country, why should be do an invasion for it, ******** person !?

In fact the Turkish war planes are already bombing kurds at the moment . Sick
 
Turkey already has dozen of bases in Syria and its position has remained the same ever since these communist groups gained power.
 
Wait when did this buffoon destroy the economy of Turkey?

Is he talking about Thanksgiving Turkey
 
We have far too much suffering already and Turkey and the Kurds need to get back to the negotiating table to avoid bloodshed.

Abu Bakrah ath-Thaqafi (may Allāh be pleased with him) reported – The Prophet ṣallallāhu 'alayhi wa sallam (peace and blessings of Allāh be upon him) said “If two Muslims meet each other with their swords, then both the killer and the killed will be in the Hell-fire.”
https://muslimmatters.org/2012/05/22/riyad-as-saliheen-series-hadith-9/

Highly doubt this hadith.
 
Ok..so Turks not recognizing Kurds has nothing to do with this, Kurds should be grateful that Turkish Govn would recognize them as Mountain Turks instead of Kurds because its clearly an honor to be recognized as Turks.

Stability in homogeneous identity , Chinese are doing the same thing kudos to them to bringing stability?

By the way the same logic Islmaphobes use what you used for Kurds.

PKK has been designated a terrorist organization by US, UK, EU, NATO and Japan but here you are mocking people siding with Turkey on this matter. So much for Modi's stand against terrorism lol.
 
Have you read the full explanation on the site?

Use common sense.

The first civil war amongst Muslims was when Hazrat Ali fought Muawiya in Battle of Siffin.

If you wanna give verdict on their respective hereafters then go ahead.
 
Use common sense.

The first civil war amongst Muslims was when Hazrat Ali fought Muawiya in Battle of Siffin.

If you wanna give verdict on their respective hereafters then go ahead.

Shahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 88, Number 193:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "None of you should point out towards his Muslim brother with a weapon, for he does not know, Satan may tempt him to hit him and thus he would fall into a pit of fire (Hell)"

Shahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 88, Number 191:

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever takes up arms against us, is not from us."

Shahi Bukhari Volume 9, Book 88, Number 197:

Narrated 'Abdullah:

The Prophet, said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (evil doing) and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)."

Shahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 88, Number 204:

Narrated Al-Hasan:

(Al-Ahnaf said:) I went out carrying my arms during the nights of the affliction (i.e. the war between 'Ali and 'Aisha) and Abu Bakra met me and asked, "Where are you going?" I replied, "I intend to help the cousin of Allah's Apostle (i.e.,'Ali)." Abu Bakra said, "Allah's Apostle said, 'If two Muslims take out their swords to fight each other, then both of them will be from amongst the people of the Hell-Fire.' It was said to the Prophet, 'It is alright for the killer but what about the killed one?' He replied, 'The killed one had the intention to kill his opponent.'" (See Hadith No. 30, Vol. 1)


So are you saying Al Bukhari is incorrect?
 
So America stabs another "ally" in the back. What's new? :trump
 
Turkish troops launch offensive into northern Syria, says Erdogan

Turkish troops have begun an offensive in northern Syria, which could bring them into direct conflict with Kurdish-led forces allied to the United States.

The move was announced by Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Turkey wants to create a "safe zone" cleared of Kurdish militias which will also house some of Turkey's 3.6 million Syrian refugees.

Donald Trump controversially withdrew US troops ahead of the action but says Turkey may face economic consequences.

The Kurds were key US allies in defeating the jihadist group Islamic State (IS) in Syria.

Mr Trump's withdrawal of the few dozen US troops in the border area was seen as a "stab in the back" by the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) and drew condemnation even from the president's Republican allies.

He responded to the criticism by threatening to "obliterate" Turkey's economy if it went "off limits" in the incursion, saying Turkey should "not do anything outside of what we would think is humane".

The Kurds guard thousands of IS fighters and their relatives in prisons and camps in areas under their control and it is unclear whether they will continue to be safely detained.

Announcing the offensive, Mr Erdogan said on Twitter: "The Turkish Armed Forces, together with the Syrian National Army [rebel groups backed by Turkey], just launched #OperationPeaceSpring" against Kurdish militias and the Islamic State group in northern Syria.

"Our mission is to prevent the creation of a terror corridor across our southern border, and to bring peace to the area.

"We will preserve Syria's territorial integrity and liberate local communities from terrorists."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49983357
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Turkey announces beginning of attack into northern Syria border region following US president’s decision to pull US military forces out of the area.<a href="https://t.co/KxAz6lkvoH">https://t.co/KxAz6lkvoH</a></p>— MSNBC (@MSNBC) <a href="https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1181926248307666951?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Shahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 88, Number 193:



Shahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 88, Number 191:



Shahi Bukhari Volume 9, Book 88, Number 197:



Shahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 88, Number 204:




So are you saying Al Bukhari is incorrect?

Yes

Quran is the only book that is unquestionably correct and complete.

You tell me who commited kufr in the battle I've mentioned.
Also this hadith goes against the notion of Haq(Good) vs Batil(Evil)
 
PKK has been designated a terrorist organization by US, UK, EU, NATO and Japan but here you are mocking people siding with Turkey on this matter. So much for Modi's stand against terrorism lol.

So you are ok with a country invading Pak , if they house a single UN designated terrorist?
 
So you are ok with a country invading Pak , if they house a single UN designated terrorist?

Drone attacks in Waziristan a few years ago ring a bell?

Also Syria is in the midst of a Civil War and its army is wayyy inferior to ours.

We're already dealing with terrorism just fine in our country with Operations Zarb e Azb and Radd ul Fasad
 
The US did not give Turkey a "green light" for its offensive in northern Syria, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has said.

Mr Pompeo defended President Donald Trump's decision to withdraw US troops from the border area, which has sparked an outcry at home and abroad.

Turkey has now launched an assault on territory held by Kurdish-led forces.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the aim was to "prevent the creation of a terror corridor" on the border.

Turkish forces plan to make a "safe zone" cleared of Kurdish militias which will also house Syrian refugees.

Kurdish-led forces vowed to resist the offensive and have already clashed with Turkish troops.

The Kurds - who helped defeat the Islamic State (IS) group in Syria and were key US allies in that fight - guard thousands of IS fighters and their relatives in prisons and camps in areas under their control. It is unclear whether they will continue to do so if battles break out.

The US military says it has taken custody of two British detainees notorious for their roles in an IS cell that tortured and killed nearly 30 Western hostages.

The two men, El Shafee Elsheikh and Alexanda Kotey, were part of a British cell nicknamed The Beatles.

They have now been removed from a prison run by the Kurdish-led militia in northern Syria.

What did Mr Pompeo say?
In an interview with US broadcaster PBS, Mr Pompeo defended Mr Trump's surprise decision to pull back US forces, adding that Turkey has a "legitimate security concern" and "a terrorist threat to their south".

He said reports the US had allowed Turkey to launch the offensive were "just false".

"The United States didn't give Turkey a green light," he said.

In an earlier statement, Mr Trump - who had threatened to "obliterate" Turkey's economy if it went "off limits" - said the US did not "endorse this attack", calling the operation a "bad idea".

The president later told a press conference the Turks and Kurds "have been fighting each other for centuries", and said that Kurdish fighters "didn't help us in the Second World War, they didn't help us with [the D-Day landings in] Normandy".

"With all of that being said, we like the Kurds," Mr Trump added.

Republicans and Democrats alike have condemned the decision to pull back US troops.

Senator Lindsey Graham - normally a staunch ally of Mr Trump's - said the US had "shamefully abandoned" its ally, and has unveiled a sanctions bill against Turkey with Democratic Senator Chris Van Hollen.

"While the Administration refuses to act against Turkey, I expect strong bipartisan support," he wrote.

What is the latest in Syria?
Several towns and villages were hit by air strikes and artillery fire on Wednesday, forcing thousands of civilians to flee their homes.

Kurdish forces said at least five civilians had so far been killed, and at least 25 more were wounded.

Turkey's defence ministry later announced that Turkish troops and Syrian rebel allies had entered the area "east of the Euphrates".

Turkish armed forces tweeted they had struck 181 "terrorist" targets as part of what has been dubbed Operation Peace Spring, while a pro-Turkish group told AFP news agency the offensive had begun in Tal Abyad, an area under YPG control.

Reports suggested there were heavy clashes around the town. SDF spokesman Mustafa Bali said their forces had repelled a ground incursion there, and that there was "no advance as of now".

Kurdish authorities have called for a general mobilisation and urged people to "head to the border with Turkey... to resist in this sensitive, historic moment".

The SDF also said one the prisons holding IS fighters had been hit by a Turkish airstrike. And amid growing humanitarian concerns, it asked the US-led coalition against IS to establish a no-fly zone to stop "attacks on innocent people".

Turkey considers the Kurdish YPG militia - the dominant force in the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) - an extension of the banned Kurdistan Workers' Party, which has fought for Kurdish autonomy in Turkey for three decades.

The Turkish government plans to send two million of the 3.6 million Syrian refugees living on its soil to the "safe zone". The offensive could displace 300,000 people living the area, the International Rescue Committee said.

It was thought the offensive - Turkey's third military operation in northern Syria in three years - would initially focus on a 100km (62-mile) stretch between Tal Abyad and Ras al-Ain, a sparsely populated, mainly Arab area.

Mr Bali said the towns of Kobane, to the west, and Qamishli, to the east, had been hit by Turkish shelling. If Turkish troops advance towards those towns they would have to move into densely populated, mainly Kurdish areas.

What has the international reaction been?
The EU said it was "unlikely that a so-called 'safe zone'... would satisfy international criteria for refugee return", while Belgium, France, Germany, Poland and the UK all requested a meeting of the UN Security Council to discuss the move.

All 15 members of the body will meet on Thursday. The Arab League also announced an emergency meeting to discuss the offensive on 12 October in Cairo.

Nato Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said Turkey, a Nato member, had "legitimate security concerns" but that he expected the country to "act with restraint and to ensure that any action... is proportionate and measured".

Why the battle for northern Syria matters
In his statement, Mr Trump also said Turkey would be responsible for ensuring that suspected IS fighters being held captive remained in prison and that IS did not regroup.

How would an incursion affect the IS situation?
The SDF says it is detaining more than 12,000 suspected IS members in seven prisons, and at least 4,000 of them are foreign nationals. The exact locations have not been revealed, but some are reportedly close to the Turkish border.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49995494
 
Turkish forces are stepping up air strikes and a ground offensive, as their incursion into Kurdish-held areas of northern Syria enters a second day.

Turkey's military said it had seized designated targets. There are reports of heavy fighting in the central border region, and seven civilian deaths.

Tens of thousands of people are reported to be leaving their homes.

The assault on Kurdish-led forces, key US allies, follows US President Donald Trump's decision to withdraw US troops.

Turkey says it wants to create a "safe zone" on the border for many of the Syrian refugees on its territory.

But on Thursday President Recep Tayyip Erdogan threatened to send the refugees to Europe instead if it characterised the Turkish offensive as an occupation.

On Wednesday, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo denied the US had given Turkey a "green light" for the offensive.

But Mr Trump told a news conference the Turks and Kurds had "been fighting each other for centuries", and said that Kurdish fighters "didn't help us in the Second World War, they didn't help us with [the D-Day landings in] Normandy".

The United Nations Security Council is due to discuss the offensive on Thursday at the request of its current five EU members - the UK, France, Germany, Belgium and Poland.

What is happening on the ground?
Kurdish sources report a large ground offensive between the towns of Ras al-Ain and Tal-Abyad, in the central area of Syrian's northern border with Turkey.

Turkish-backed Syrian rebels from the Free Syrian Army have also been involved in the fighting.

The area is sparsely populated and mainly inhabited by Arabs.

Ras al-Ain has been hit by numerous air strikes. Eyewitnesses spoke of military jets circling and shelling by artillery.

Turkey's defence ministry said on Twitter that its operation had continued successfully through the night by land and air. Reports say a number of villages east of Tal-Abyad were captured.

The Kurdish Red Crescent said at least seven civilians had so far been killed, two of them children, and at least 19 more critically injured including four children.

Who are the IS prisoners no-one wants?
Why the battle for northern Syria matters
There are no clear estimates of numbers of displaced, but Kurdish sources say at least tens of thousands have left their homes.


Media captionSome residents began to flee as smoke rose over the border town of Ras al-Ain
Kurdish authorities accused Turkey of shelling a prison holding Islamic State (IS) group prisoners in Qamishli in the east of the border region in a "clear attempt" to help them escape.

Kurdish authorities have called for a general mobilisation and urged people to "head to the border with Turkey... to resist in this sensitive, historic moment".

What resistance can the Kurdish-led forces offer?
The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) currently number about 40,000 fighters, with tens of thousands of others in parallel Kurdish security services, Kurdish sources say.

The US joint task force on operations against IS in Iraq and Syria describes them as "tenacious fighters with a degree of basic military training to function as infantrymen".

But they are deficient in heavy weaponry that could be used against tanks or aircraft, though some units may have anti-tank missiles.

In operations against IS, they relied on close coalition air support but in the flat, open country of Syria's northern border they will be vulnerable to air and artillery attack.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49998035
 
Turkey steps up Syria assault against Kurdish forces causing thousands to flee

International aid agencies are warning of an escalating humanitarian crisis in the region as fighting intensifies.

Turkey has stepped up its ground and air offensive against Kurdish militia in northern Syria, forcing thousands to flee.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that so far, more than 100 "terrorists" had been killed in the fighting, although casualty reports from the area did not support his claim.

Meanwhile, Turkish officials say two children and their mother have been killed by incoming mortar fire from Kurdish-held positions.

International aid agencies are warning of an escalating humanitarian crisis in the region.

Ankara launched its military operation on Wednesday after Donald Trump pulled out American troops from alongside their Kurdish allies.

The decision marked a shift in the position of the US president, who last year vowed to stand by the Kurds, saying they "fought with us" and "died with us".

The U-turn drew swift criticism from both Republicans and Democrats in Washington as well as from defence experts.

Kurdish forces have halted all operations against Islamic State in order to focus on battling Turkish troops, according to Kurdish and US officials.

Syrian Kurdish fighters had, along with US forces, been tackling the remnants of IS, after the terror group was defeated earlier this year.

Urging moderation by Turkey during its assault, Mr Trump warned Ankara that it would be hit hard financially if it did not "play by the rules".

Writing on Twitter, the US president said: "I am trying to end the ENDLESS WARS. Talking to both sides.

"I say hit Turkey very hard financially & with sanctions if they don't play by the rules! I am watching closely."

The Turkish military said its jets and artillery had so far struck 181 targets.

But Mustafa Bali, a spokesman for the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces, said their fighters had repelled Turkish ground attacks.

The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said more than 60,000 people have fled their homes since the offensive started.

The UN also estimates tens of thousands have been displaced and has called on all the warring parties to respect international humanitarian law, including providing access for aid agencies.

Mr Erdogan has warned the EU against calling his regime's advance into Syria an "invasion", threatening, as he has in the past, to "open the gates" and let Syrian refugees flood into Europe.

Ankara deems members of the Kurdish militia to be "terrorists" because of their links to the banned Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) which has led an insurgency against Turkey for 35 years, killing tens of thousands.

The US and other Western countries also consider the PKK a terrorist group.

Turkey considers its operations against the Kurdish militia in Syria a matter of survival, and insists it will not tolerate the virtual self-rule that the Kurds succeeded in carving out in northern Syria along the border.

Ankara wants to create a corridor - a so-called "safe zone" - clearing out the Kurdish forces.

This would end the Kurds' autonomy in the area and put much of their population under Turkish control.

Turkish foreign minister Mevlut Cavusoglu has said the military intends to move 19 miles (30km) into northern Syria and that its operation would continue until all "terrorists are neutralised."

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said he had spoken with Mr Cavusoglu to express "disappointment and concern" about the incursion and call for restraint.

He argued the "the intervention risks greater humanitarian suffering and undermines the focus on countering" the activities of IS.

https://news.sky.com/story/turkey-s...housands-to-flee-11832218?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter
 
Waiting for UN sanctions against turkey soon

Norway suspends arms sales to Turkey over Syria invasion

Finland suspends arms sales to Turkey over Syria invasion

MEA india: We are deeply concerned at the unilateral military offensive by Turkey in north-east Syria. Turkey’s actions can undermine stability in the region and the fight against terrorism. Its action also has the potential for causing humanitarian and civilian distress.

France : condemn the unilateral military offensive that is underway in Syria. I call on Turkey to put an end to it as quickly as possible. Turkey’s action poses a humanitarian risk to millions of people.

This sissie rogue leader Erdogan doing air strikes on innocent Kurd civilians and irony is he talked about peace a few days back .
 
Shahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 88, Number 193:



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Shahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 88, Number 204:




So are you saying Al Bukhari is incorrect?

Clearly you haven’t read the commentary and the context behind it. Both are totally different situation. One is guidance to refrain from resorting to evil deeds while the others are warning just in case for civil wars where Muslim people killing each other are doomed unless one of them has good reason to do so.

Just like today where Pakistan and Afghanistan are in constant of civil wars, it is against the spirit of Islam but at the same time if Afghanistan is helping India to conquer Pakistan at the expense of Islam, then Pakistan must resist Afghanistan while keep fighting India unless Pakistan is finished taking care of India.
 
They are just fighting against terrorists same like how USA does... I never see any whinging when usa invade oil rich countries.
 
These western war mongering countries just know how to bomb and destroy countries for their gain..Turkey is trying to create a safe zone for the syrians by eliminating USA financed terror groups, I dont know why people are against turkey.
 
These western war mongering countries just know how to bomb and destroy countries for their gain..Turkey is trying to create a safe zone for the syrians by eliminating USA financed terror groups, I dont know why people are against turkey.

What is worse, western nations started this immoral attack on Syria, destroying the nation to rubble.

These people have no moral authority to call anyone out. No group or nation has been involved in imperalistic terrorism as much as the the western nations. It's just sad so many of the population are dumbed down idiots who think they are the good guys.
 
Clearly you haven’t read the commentary and the context behind it. Both are totally different situation. One is guidance to refrain from resorting to evil deeds while the others are warning just in case for civil wars where Muslim people killing each other are doomed unless one of them has good reason to do so.

Just like today where Pakistan and Afghanistan are in constant of civil wars, it is against the spirit of Islam but at the same time if Afghanistan is helping India to conquer Pakistan at the expense of Islam, then Pakistan must resist Afghanistan while keep fighting India unless Pakistan is finished taking care of India.

What civil war is going on in Pakistan?
 
These western war mongering countries just know how to bomb and destroy countries for their gain..Turkey is trying to create a safe zone for the syrians by eliminating USA financed terror groups, I dont know why people are against turkey.

I think it's because civilians are being killed.
But people need to understand that this is the harsh reality of war. I condemn civilians being killed but in war these things are common
 
What is worse, western nations started this immoral attack on Syria, destroying the nation to rubble.

These people have no moral authority to call anyone out. No group or nation has been involved in imperalistic terrorism as much as the the western nations. It's just sad so many of the population are dumbed down idiots who think they are the good guys.

Come again? A civil war within Syria between the horrible Assad regime and the even more horrible ISIL in which a million people died is the fault of “western nations”?
 
Republicans in the US House of Representatives have announced plans to introduce a sanctions bill against Turkey for its offensive in Syria.

Congresswoman Liz Cheney said Turkey must face "serious consequences for mercilessly attacking our Kurdish allies" in the region.

It comes as President Donald Trump said he hoped to mediate in the conflict.

Turkey moved into northern Syria on Wednesday after the president pulled US troops out of the area.

Tens of thousands of civilians fled their homes on the second day of the offensive.

Critics say the US withdrawal effectively gave Turkey the green light to begin its cross-border assault, which President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says is to create a "safe zone" running for 480km along the Syrian side of the border.

Kurdish militias of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) control the cross-border areas - groups Turkey calls "terrorists" who support an anti-Turkish insurgency.

The SDF have been key allies of the United States in the battle against the Islamic State (IS) group, and say they have been "stabbed in the back" by the US.

There are fears the operation could lead to an ethnic cleansing of Kurds and revive IS.

What is the sanctions plan?
A group of 29 Republicans in the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives have announced legislation which would impose sanctions on Ankara.

"If Turkey wants to be treated like an ally, it must begin behaving like one," Ms Cheney wrote in a statement. "They must be sanctioned for their attacks on our Kurdish allies."

Ms Cheney adds that "Congress has long had concerns about the [Erdogan] regime's cooperation with US adversaries, such as Russia". No mention is made of the US troop withdrawal.

Wyoming Congresswoman and House GOP Conference Chair Liz Cheney (WY-AL) and nearly thirty of her Republican colleagues in the House will be introducing legislation to impose sanctions against Turkey...

"President Trump made clear that if Turkey crosses a line in Syria, he would 'totally obliterate the economy of Turkey' - and this legislation gives the United States the tools to make good on that promise," Representative Jodey Arrington wrote.

It comes the day after Republican Senator Lindsey Graham unveiled a sanctions bill, along with Democratic Senator Chris Van Hollen, for "severe sanctions" against Turkey.

Mr Graham is a staunch ally of President Trump, but has vocally criticised his administration for the troop withdrawal in Syria - saying the US had "shamefully abandoned" the Kurds.

How has President Trump reacted?
The president defended his decision to withdraw troops - even saying at one point the Kurds "didn't help us in the Second World War".

But he has since taken a harder line on Turkey's offensive after criticism at home and abroad.

Mr Trump has suggested sanctions could come if Turkey's operation is not "humane" - a red line one official told reporters meant "ethnic cleansing... indiscriminate artillery, air and other fires directed at civilian populations".

"We have not seen significant examples of that so far, but we're very early," the official said on condition of anonymity, adding that the president had tasked diplomats with seeing "if there are areas of commonality between the two sides, if there's a way that we can find our way to a ceasefire".

President Trump tweeted on Thursday that there were three choices for the US: "Send in thousands of troops and win militarily, hit Turkey very hard financially and with sanctions, or mediate a deal between Turkey and the Kurds". The president later told reporters: "I hope it's going to be the last one."

He made the remarks before he flew to Minnesota for a campaign rally.

While reiterating his hope to mediate the conflict between the Kurds and Turkey, the president told the crowds it was time to "bring our soldiers back home" and criticised US involvement in the Middle East.

"These wars produce only chaos and bloodshed," he said. "We're slowly getting out of the Middle East. We're doing it carefully."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50009218
 
These western war mongering countries just know how to bomb and destroy countries for their gain..Turkey is trying to create a safe zone for the syrians by eliminating USA financed terror groups, I dont know why people are against turkey.

Get real. This is at best a ploy by Turkey to disarm the Kurds and at worst an attempt to ethnically cleanse them. The mainly-Kurdish Free Syrian Army was originally Turkey-backed and Turkey was happy for them to fight Assad forces. But now with the war wound down, Turkey fears the Syrian Kurdish militias because they share the same goals for autonomy as the Turkish Kurds.

This aggression could have unpredictable effects as some ten thousand captured ISIL fighters are held by the Kurdish militias in Syria, and if freed could restart the Syrian civil war.
 
So Turkey is going to invade and Trump is allowing this... also no one has issues with Turkey here as expected

I do. I have always felt sympathy for the poor old Kurds. When the Ottoman Empire fell, they should have been given their own homeland but the British and French Empires forgot about them. So they exist straddling Turkey, Syria and Iraq and are hated by all.

Trump speaks nonsense as usual regarding “help in Normandy” as Kurds resisted a Nazi-backed coup in Iraq and also served with the British Army in the Mediterranean theatre of WW2.
 
I do. I have always felt sympathy for the poor old Kurds. When the Ottoman Empire fell, they should have been given their own homeland but the British and French Empires forgot about them. So they exist straddling Turkey, Syria and Iraq and are hated by all.

Trump speaks nonsense as usual regarding “help in Normandy” as Kurds resisted a Nazi-backed coup in Iraq and also served with the British Army in the Mediterranean theatre of WW2.

Robert what is the UK doing to support the Kurds now, are they sending over troops to help the Kurds against the Turks?.
 
Tough to decide who is a bigger con-artist and better at fooling the masses: Imran or Erdogan.
 
Safe to say I'm starting to lose respect for Erdogan. Kurds are persecuted everywhere and it disgusts me how some posters on here are defending Turkey.
 
Come again? A civil war within Syria between the horrible Assad regime and the even more horrible ISIL in which a million people died is the fault of “western nations”?

What civil war? When the first bombs dropped from western planes, where was the civil war?

USA and UK have openely admitted they are financing and giving weapons to groups they have defined as terrorists.

Lets discuss this in depth because im shocked you think the western nations have done great things in Syria :trump
 
Robert what is the UK doing to support the Kurds now, are they sending over troops to help the Kurds against the Turks?.


Nothing. It’s very awkward as Turkey is a NATO member.
 
Tough to decide who is a bigger con-artist and better at fooling the masses: Imran or Erdogan.

Neither? Both were pretty clear on their stances hence no contradiction whereas Donald Trump continues to live by the reputation as you kindly removed him out of the equation.
 
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Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday telephoned Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to express solidarity and support for Ankara as it faces international pressure over Turkey's ongoing operation against Kurdish forces in Syria.

The premier during the conversation told the Turkish president that "Pakistan fully understands Turkey’s concerns relating to terrorism", a statement issued by the Prime Minister's Office said.

"As a country which has lost more than 70,000 lives due to terrorism and borne the burden of more than 3 million refugees for decades, Pakistan is fully cognisant of the threats and challenges being faced by Turkey having lost 40,000 of its people to terrorism," the prime minister was quoted as saying.

"We pray that Turkey’s efforts for enhanced security, regional stability and peaceful resolution of the Syrian situation are fully successful," he added.

Turkey considers Kurdish militants in northern Syria a "terrorist" offshoot of Kurdish insurgents in its own territory.

It wants a 30 kilometre wide buffer zone along the border, which can also serve as an area to repatriate millions of Syrian refugees currently living in Turkey. In this regard, Turkey earlier this week launched a military offensive against Kurdish militants in northern Syria, causing concerns among several countries who have called on Ankara to show restraint.

During the phone call, Prime Minister Imran said that the government and people of Pakistan are looking forward to accord a warm welcome to President Erdogan on his forthcoming visit to Pakistan later this month.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1510278/p...pport-solidarity-over-turkeys-syria-operation
 
Some 100,000 people have fled their homes in north Syria, the UN reports, as Turkey presses on with its cross-border offensive on Kurdish-held areas.

Many people are sheltering in schools or other buildings in Hassakeh city and the town of Tal Tamer, the UN says.

Turkey took action on Wednesday after US President Donald Trump pulled American troops out of the area.

At least 11 civilians have died. Humanitarian groups say the number of people affected will rise further.

Dozens of fighters from the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) and pro-Turkish factions have been killed. The first death of a Turkish soldier was confirmed by Turkey's military.

Analysts say the US withdrawal in effect gave Turkey the green light to begin its cross-border assault.

Much of the region has been outside the control of the Syrian government as a consequence of the civil war which began in 2011. It has been controlled by the SDF since 2015.

The SDF have been key allies of the US in the battle against the Islamic State (IS) group but Turkey regards the Kurdish militias of the SDF as "terrorists" who support an anti-Turkish insurgency.

Turkey defended its offensive as a bid to create a "safe zone" free of Kurdish militias which could also house Syrian refugees.

One major concern for the international community is the fate of thousands of suspected IS prisoners, including many foreign nationals, being guarded by Kurdish-led forces in the region.

What's the latest on the fighting?
IS said it had planted a car bomb attack that killed six people - both civilians and members of the security forces - in the border town of Qamishli on Friday.

On Thursday, Turkish troops partly encircled the towns of Ras al-Ain and Tal Abyad.

But while the Turkish military said its operation was going to plan, Kurdish sources and activists from the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) said the offensive had not made much progress.

Turkish warplanes have struck targets in both towns, and video footage has shown columns of smoke rising above them. Tal Abyad's only public hospital has been forced to close.

The Kurdish Red Crescent said there had been 11 confirmed civilian deaths so far and 28 serious injuries, mostly in Ras al-Ain and another border town, Qamishli. Some are children.

At least five people, including a Syrian baby, were reportedly killed in Kurdish shelling of Turkish border towns.

The SOHR reported at least 29 deaths among the SDF and 17 from among pro-Turkish Syrian rebels (known as the Syrian National Army), as more than 10 villages fell into Turkish hands.

In a later report they said that seven members of pro-Turkish forces including a Turkish soldier had been killed as the SDF retook a village in Tal Abyad region.

Turkey's military confirmed a soldier's death, and said three others had been wounded.

Turkey's Anadolu news agency said late on Thursday 228 Kurdish militants had been "neutralised" since the start of the operation.

The casualty reports could not be independently verified.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-midd...ws&ocid=socialflow_twitter&ns_mchannel=social
 
What is worse, western nations started this immoral attack on Syria, destroying the nation to rubble.

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Western nations had very little hand in Syria until 3 or 4 years into the conflict
 
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This is absolute garbage and you know this

Western nations had very little hand in Syria until 3 or 4 years into the conflict

US policy of regime change in Syria is old, the Yanks were sending funds to opposition terrorist forces as early as 2006. At this time Obama was speaking to Assad.
 
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I'm wary whenever the national security caucus in DC made up of warmongering Republicans, mainstream Democrats and mainstream pundits agree on anything related to foreign policy, but this move from Trump is so aggregious that there's no defence for it.

You cannot call this a move to wind down another Middle Eastern war and part of an anti-interventionist agenda when all you're doing is redeploying US troops away from the Turkish border, meanwhile sending another 2000 troops to Saudi Arabia. How was this anything other than a green light for ethnic cleansing ?

The Kurds are sometimes overly romanticised in the western press. Human rights organisations have reported on their treatment of non-Kurdish populations, but they were effective allies against ISIS and set up an intriguing democratic experiment in Rojava in an extremely illiberal region.

Whilst Turkey has legitimate security concerns, the Kurds do not deserve to be subjected to a campaign of slaughter (also note once more the Ummah brigade's selective silence) and should have their political rights respected. However they have no allies - the US is shameless, Europe is subject to Erdogan's refugee blackmail, and Assad couldn't care less as it's one less enemy to worry about.

I'm not pretending there's an easy answer to all this. These Middle Eastern conflicts stem from the legacy of Sykes-Picot where borders were drawn irrationally by arrogant European imperial powers. It requires a thoughtful, nuanced leader to thread this needle - but the current occupant of the White House is far from it.
 
Interesting that Erdogan is painting this as a religious battle.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Turkey?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Turkey</a>’s Erdogan Tweets in Arabic hailing “Mohamedian Army / Army of [Prophet] Mohamed” invading on his behalf NE <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Syria?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Syria</a> to fight Kurdish forces. <br><br>This is dangerous & unfortunate use of Islam as a religion to rally behind a political war with humanitarian ramifications on all.. <a href="https://t.co/C3TpftKBo3">https://t.co/C3TpftKBo3</a></p>— Joyce Karam (@Joyce_Karam) <a href="https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1182457606016774144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Interesting that Erdogan is painting this as a religious battle.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Turkey?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Turkey</a>’s Erdogan Tweets in Arabic hailing “Mohamedian Army / Army of [Prophet] Mohamed” invading on his behalf NE <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Syria?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Syria</a> to fight Kurdish forces. <br><br>This is dangerous & unfortunate use of Islam as a religion to rally behind a political war with humanitarian ramifications on all.. <a href="https://t.co/C3TpftKBo3">https://t.co/C3TpftKBo3</a></p>— Joyce Karam (@Joyce_Karam) <a href="https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1182457606016774144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

There is a change in wind across Islamic countries , I think Turkey-Pakistan-Malaysia are trying to play the Muslim card, similar to what Arabs and Iran have been doing as such.

I don’t blame them, religion is a massive unifying force and with no respect for Saudi coz Qatar issues plus other spring rises , losses to Israel, Arab world which has hd rights on Muslim Ummah since fall of Ottoman , things are somewhat changing now, kudos to Pakistan and Malaysia for joining in and trying to make a united front.

Soft power is huge.
 
I support Turkey but let's hope that ISIS militants don't get released in the chaos. It can undone a lot of good work.
 
Pressure is building in the US to stop Turkey continuing its offensive against Kurdish-held areas in Syria.

Defence Secretary Mark Esper warned of "serious consequences" while Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin held out the prospect of fresh sanctions.

President Donald Trump's decision to withdraw US troops effectively triggered the Turkish incursion.

He has said he would like the US to negotiate a truce between Nato ally Turkey and the Kurds.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, however, says the military operation will continue.

According to the UN more than 100,000 people have fled their homes since the offensive began on Wednesday.

President Erdogan says he wants to create a "safe zone" in northern Syria free of Kurdish militias which could also be home to Syrian refugees.

As the crisis deepened, US troops said they had come under fire from Turkish artillery on Friday.

What is the latest?
The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) - a key US ally in the region - are facing numerous Turkish ground and air assaults along a stretch of the Turkey-Syria border about 75 miles (120km) long, correspondents say.

Dozens of fighters from the SDF and pro-Turkish factions have been killed. Turkey's military confirmed the first death of a Turkish soldier and said three others had been wounded.

At least 11 civilians have been killed and humanitarian groups say the number of people affected will rise.

On Friday, the Pentagon said its base near the northern Syrian town of Kobane had seen shell fire from Turkish positions.

Navy Captain Brook DeWalt said the area was "known by the Turks to have US forces present".

"All US troops are accounted for with no injuries," he said in a statement. "The US demands that Turkey avoid actions that could result in immediate defensive action."

Turkey denied deliberately targeting US forces.

What is the US doing?
Defence Secretary Esper insisted that the US had not abandoned its Kurdish allies and warned of unspecified "serious consequences" for Ankara if it did not halt the assault.

He accused President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of taking "impulsive action" and warned that the operation "risks the security of ISIS (Islamic State) prison camps".

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said President Trump had authorised officials to draft what he called "very significant" new economic sanctions against Turkey.

"We can shut down the Turkish economy if we need to," he said.

President Trump spoke briefly about the situation as he prepared to head to a rally on Friday, saying: "We don't want them killing a lot of people... if we have to use sanctions we will."

Meanwhile in Congress, lawmakers from both sides of the political divide were preparing legislation to pile pressure on Turkey.

A bill to issue sanctions against Turkish officials and banks involved in the offensive was introduced by the Democratic chairman of the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee, Eliot Engel, and the committee's ranking Republican Mike McCaul.

What has Turkey said?
"Now there are threats coming from left and right, telling us to stop this," President Erdogan said on Friday. "We will not step back."

He previously threatened to send some of the 3.6 million Syrian refugees it hosts to Europe if the offensive was described as an occupation.

What are the humanitarian fears?
A refugee crisis is developing. The UN's Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) gave the figure of 100,000 but aid groups say as many as 450,000 people could be forced to move.

According to aid workers on the ground, the vast majority of civilians have fled Tal Abyad and those who remain fear for their lives.

OCHA said the Turkish bombardment had affected key civilian infrastructure such as water stations. Thousands of people could lose adequate access to clean water in the Hassakeh region, it reports.

Turkey wants to create a "safe zone" running for 480km (300 miles) along the Syrian side of the border but says it will not advance deeper than a planned 32km limit.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50025020
 
Thats not a civil war as ISIS or ISIL are mostly not Syrians.

Ok, there has been spillover from neighbouring wars, but a lot of ISIL were Syrians and there are numerous Syrian factions, as the Syrian Civil War began as part of the Arab Spring.
 
Turkey offensive: Battle rages for key Syrian border town of Ras al Ain

The capture of Ras al Ain would be Ankara's most significant military gain since launching its military offensive four days ago.

A battle is under way for a key Syrian border town as Turkey presses its military assault against Kurdish fighters in the region.

But while Ankara said its forces had seized the centre of Ras al Ain this has been disputed by Syrian Kurdish forces.

The capture of the town would be Turkey's most significant gain since its invasion began on Wednesday.

Ankara launched its ground and air offensive into northern Syria after Donald Trump cleared the way by pulling back American forces from the area, who had been fighting alongside Kurdish forces against Islamic State (IS).

Washington has subsequently demanded Turkey halt its offensive, which has seen American forces come under artillery fire, warning the regime that it was causing "great harm" to ties and could face sanctions.

There has been international condemnation of the offensive, with accusations of ethnic cleansing and fears about the humanitarian cost.

The UN has estimated more than 100,000 people have been forced to flee the fighting.

The UK's Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab has said Turkey's military assault weakens the fight against IS and risks deepening the plight of civilians in the war-ravaged region.

He argued that Ankara must show "maximum restraint" as the air and ground offensive enters its fourth day.

But Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has dismissed the mounting criticism insisting that Turkey "will not stop it, no matter what anyone says".

Meanwhile, IS have moved to exploit the conflict, exploding a car bomb at a prison in the city of Hasaka in northeastern Syria, in a bid to breakout detained militants.

The blast forced Kurdish-led security forces to send reinforcements to prevent an escape.

A Kurdish official has already warned that the Turkish offensive has weakened its ability to secure prisoners.

In Ras al Ain, one of two Syrian border towns targeted in the offensive, thick plumes of smoke could be seen amid the sound of gunfire and warplanes flying overhead.

It was reported to be quieter at Tel Abyad, the operation's other main target some 75 miles (120km) to the west, with only occasional shelling heard.

Earlier, Turkish-backed Syrian rebels said they had cut the road which connects Ras al Ain and Tel Abyad and had captured 18 villages since the operation began.

The Turkish defence ministry tweeted: "Ras al Ain's residential centre has been taken under control through the successful operations in the east of the Euphrates (river)."

But the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) denied this and said while Turkish-backed forces had entered one neighbourhood, a counter-attack was under way.

Sky News foreign affairs editor Deborah Haynes, who is in Ceylanpinar, said Ras al Ain had been "a signficant focus of Turkish firepower".

"In the past hour we've heard Turkish jets overhead. They are high up above us - we can't see them, just hear them," she added.

Turkey says it aims to push back Syrian Kurdish forces, which it considers terrorists its links to a decades-long Kurdish insurgency within its own borders.

But the military action has raised concerns about the threat of a an IS resurgence.

The SDF was the main US ally in the fight against IS, losing 11,000 fighters in the nearly five-year battle against the extremists.

https://news.sky.com/story/turkey-o...key-syrian-border-town-of-ras-al-ain-11833518
 
You gotta feel for the Kurds man...

They’re gonna regret allying themselves with the Americans. Unreliable allies, they are.
 
Western nations had very little hand in Syria until 3 or 4 years into the conflict

This is not true at all, the Syrian civil war started in early 2011 and foreign intervention had already started by late 2011 and increased signifcantly in 2012/13. By "3 or 4 years" you're claiming foreign intervention only started in 2014/15 and that's far from factual, I even remember as far back as 2012/13 when Obama wanted carry out airstrikes.
 
I support Turkey but let's hope that ISIS militants don't get released in the chaos. It can undone a lot of good work.

Every time YPG communists get attacked, they cry about ISIS. They did this when Turkey took over Al Bab and they did this when Turkey attacked Afrin. Only reason they even get western support is due to ISIS.
 
Turkey is now trying to intimidate us forces by firing on their base and later saying it was not intentional. There is more to this than meets the eye.
Turkey is fearless because it possesses nuclear weapons. This was what one feared , power in wrong hands is dangerous
Turkey must face sanctions soon!
 
This is not true at all, the Syrian civil war started in early 2011 and foreign intervention had already started by late 2011 and increased signifcantly in 2012/13. By "3 or 4 years" you're claiming foreign intervention only started in 2014/15 and that's far from factual, I even remember as far back as 2012/13 when Obama wanted carry out airstrikes.

See bold bit, Hillary and co were supporting regime change from 2011 itself, while Obama "wanted" airstrikes in 2013..... but when did actual direct intervention happen? Definitely not in 2011 or 2012

The war started because many Syrians protested against the violent government, which did not hesitate to kill its own people for protesting, Syrian "state apparatus" was crueler than in Jordan, Egypt, Morocco or Lebanon

As for foreign intervention why do Assad supporters always ignore the fact that support that came from Russian airstrikes and Iranian militias were "foreign intervention" as well ?

And that support was far more direct than that offered by regimes wanting Assad to fall (Turkey, Saudi, West)
 
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