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This guy swings the ball MILES! Is a treat to watch, especially considering he swings it at pace. Will give Amir a seriously tough competition in the team. I love Amir not even he swings it this much in bi-laterals.

Give him a year, and he can turn into the worlds best bowler!
 
On a serious note he is really good considering the resources and overhyped machine Amir.
 
2 wickets in the first over, 2 in the second! He's swinging it miles. He's become unplayable ever since the increase in pace.
 
MRSN said:
...in the world! [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]:yk
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] agrees that Amir usually performs only when he WANTS to. This guy is easily the best swing bowler in Pakistan, not sure about the world. ...maybe.
 
[MENTION=141390]Ellipsism[/MENTION]

4 wickets in two overs!

Talk NAH!!! :shhh :shh
 
ExpressPacer said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] agrees that Amir usually performs only when he WANTS to. This guy is easily the best swing bowler in Pakistan, not sure about the world. ...maybe.
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Amir struggled on these pitches against same team so it's clear he needs conditions to be successful like Anderson.
 
asfandyar said:
That guy has been proven wrong so many times, I have stopped taking his opinion seriously.
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[MENTION=141390]Ellipsism[/MENTION] is a good poster but him and [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] consider themselves as the numero uno's as far as fast bowling is concerned when clearly rating talented guys like Shinwari is not too hard.
 
ExpressPacer said:
[MENTION=141390]Ellipsism[/MENTION] is a good poster but him and [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] consider themselves as the numero uno's as far as fast bowling is concerned when clearly rating talented guys like Shinwari is not too hard.
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Yup good poster overall, but with an awful eye for talent. Dismissed Saad Ali based on one domestic season. Based on [MENTION=141390]Ellipsism[/MENTION] 's predictions, I am confident Saad Ali will turn out to be the next Haris Sohail.
 
He is a genuine swing bowler thus an interesting option for the red cherry as well. I would rather have him in these flat conditions than Amir/Hasan who have been playing continuously.
 
Takes 5 only in his SECOND ODI game. Yes, a poor batting line up but the swing, pace and ability is on display!

A slap in the face of those who called him a trundler!
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
He is a genuine swing bowler thus an interesting option for the red cherry as well. I would rather have him in these flat conditions than Amir/Hasan who have been playing continuously.
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Wouldn't throw him in there just yet! We've unearthed a gem! Let him play a year of ODI cricket. By 2019 WC, Usman Khan will be consistently bowling at 145. And in those conditions, he will swing the ball like Akram.
 
Wouldn't call him the best swing bowler, tbh. I think he swings the ball into the left-handers but I haven't seen him bowl it away.

The swing he gets into the left-handers could be attributed to the back spin he generates with his wrist positioning.

Good find no doubt, but you're maybe a tad overestimating his abilities.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Wouldn't throw him in there just yet! We've unearthed a gem! Let him play a year of ODI cricket. By 2019 WC, Usman Khan will be consistently bowling at 145. And in those conditions, he will swing the ball like Akram.
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We need different bowlers for tests. Usman looks like someone who can make an impact early with the red cherry. Yasir Shah can then do what he does best. Abbas and Shinwari can make an interesting duo.

If we keep playing Hasan, Amir in every game then they won't last long.
 
Great swing bowling on display today.

Congrats to him on his first 5-fer. Will definitely be on the flight to New Zealand, glad to see Micky Auther backing him. People who are calling him a trundler must have something against him or simply haven't watched him bowl, he's bowling around 140 kph.

Staying in the international setup will only develop him further. Great prospect for Pakistan.

He's bowling his 5th over on the trot, keeping his pace up.
 
Sherlock said:
Wouldn't call him the best swing bowler, tbh. I think he swings the ball into the left-handers but I haven't seen him bowl it away.

The swing he gets into the left-handers could be attributed to the back spin he generates with his wrist positioning.

Good find no doubt, but you're maybe a tad overestimating his abilities.
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Meray bhai, only his second game, and has only bowled 5 overs thus far, in which he's created 6 chances - taken 5 wickets. Give him a little more time.
 
One thing he needs to improve on is his control if it doesn't swing, needs to learn to contain batsmen. That is something he can improve on with time. He has shown that he has the ingrediants to be succeful, also from what I remember bowls well at the death too.
 
Lol at the posters who wrote him off after ONE over in the World XI series. :)))
 
Bowled really well this morning and showed good pace and movement into the left handers but His seam position will not allow consistent movement into right hander and if he cant improve that he will become another Wahab.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Meray bhai, only his second game, and has only bowled 5 overs thus far, in which he's created 6 chances - taken 5 wickets. Give him a little more time.
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Well, that's the whole point of the argument :))

Also lest we forget, this is a struggling SL side. Don't go OTT.
 
Could end the career of Junaid Khan if keeps up with these kind of performances.

Hopefully this puts the final nail in the coffin for Wahab Riaz.
 
People need to realise Mickey has a good eye for talent and he is exceptional at developing talent.

USK plays for Mickey in KK and I have mentioned before he did pretty well and looked a good LOI prospect.

He really seems to have worked on his pace which is really good, as he wasn't as quick as this in the PSL.

As for the thread, let's see how he does in NZ before hyping him too much though ;). Don't want to burden the poor fella.

Other thing I like about him is his athleticism/fitness. That one handed catch he took when he on the bench in World XI series was great (even though it didn't count!)
 
Bewal Express said:
Bowled really well this morning and showed good pace and movement into the left handers but His seam position will not allow consistent movement into right hander and if he cant improve that he will become another Wahab.
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I didn't see the full spell, but I saw the wickets and it was noticeable that he was only swinging the ball in one way, there was no outswinger like Wasim Akram could generate. I was thinking of Wahab as well when I saw the wickets, but Wahab can only do it with the old ball. Shinwari used the new ball well so credit where it is due. Needs to show he has more than one trick though.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I didn't see the full spell, but I saw the wickets and it was noticeable that he was only swinging the ball in one way, there was no outswinger like Wasim Akram could generate. I was thinking of Wahab as well when I saw the wickets, but Wahab can only do it with the old ball. Shinwari used the new ball well so credit where it is due. Needs to show he has more than one trick though.
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Lets see if he develops but i dont see anything special in the longer term except against teams with lots of left handers.
 
mak36 said:
People need to realise Mickey has a good eye for talent and he is exceptional at developing talent.

USK plays for Mickey in KK and I have mentioned before he did pretty well and looked a good LOI prospect.

He really seems to have worked on his pace which is really good, as he wasn't as quick as this in the PSL.

As for the thread, let's see how he does in NZ before hyping him too much though ;). Don't want to burden the poor fella.

Other thing I like about him is his athleticism/fitness. That one handed catch he took when he on the bench in World XI series was great (even though it didn't count!)
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No sir apparently Mickey Arthur is a "conman" who's just here for his paycheck and doesn't know ABC of cricket as per [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=139288]Abdul[/MENTION] and [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION].

An astute selection by Mickey who was right to persist with him. Let's see if Shinwari can deliver against stronger opponents now.
 
mak36 said:
People need to realise Mickey has a good eye for talent and he is exceptional at developing talent.

USK plays for Mickey in KK and I have mentioned before he did pretty well and looked a good LOI prospect.

He really seems to have worked on his pace which is really good, as he wasn't as quick as this in the PSL.

As for the thread, let's see how he does in NZ before hyping him too much though ;). Don't want to burden the poor fella.

Other thing I like about him is his athleticism/fitness. That one handed catch he took when he on the bench in World XI series was great (even though it didn't count!)
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Absolutely. I've never seen a Pakistani side this fit and ALL of our bowlers are bowling considerably faster than their initial pace.
 
Pakistan will have a selection problem in their next series.


You cannot drop anyone based on performance. Everyone is looking like the 2nd coming of Akram and Waqar.

Amir/Hasan/Rumman/Shinwari/Junaid all have performed well in the chances they got in LOi matches recently. I think Junaid may be the weakest bowler of the lot.

Very tough to choose.
 
Bewal Express said:
Bowled really well this morning and showed good pace and movement into the left handers but His seam position will not allow consistent movement into right hander and if he cant improve that he will become another Wahab.
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This guy has natural swing. He's going to become one of the best bowlers in the world if he continues playing for a year consistently.
 
Biggest fan of Shinwari is here :)
Brilliant bowling by him today, just tore apart SL batting line up.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Absolutely. I've never seen a Pakistani side this fit and ALL of our bowlers are bowling considerably faster than their initial pace.
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Exactly and it's not like they were all slow beforehand, so management have done well to extract that extra pace.

USK bowled pretty quickly in PSL but he's taken it to another level. IIRC he was the quickest in the last match which says a lot. Not bad for a "trundler.'
 
It's more movement off the wicket then the air but he does move it around appreciably.

Keep persisting with him as he's a strike bowler you need. He might go for runs but can always get wickets.
 
troodon said:
Pakistan will have a selection problem in their next series.


You cannot drop anyone based on performance. Everyone is looking like the 2nd coming of Akram and Waqar.

Amir/Hasan/Rumman/Shinwari/Junaid all have performed well in the chances they got in LOi matches recently. I think Junaid may be the weakest bowler of the lot.

Very tough to choose.
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A healthy headache.

India in a similar situation with batsman.
 
ExpressPacer said:
This guy has natural swing. He's going to become one of the best bowlers in the world if he continues playing for a year consistently.
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Yes but only into left handers and away from right handers. I dont see success over the long term unless he has the other one into the right handers.
 
Actually moved it more off the wicket. Not a natural athlete though. Looks more like a left handed Ryan harris.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Actually moved it more off the wicket. Not a natural athlete though. Looks more like a left handed Ryan harris.
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His frame is nothing like Harris.

USK is strong and built but maybe needs to work on his stamina. Bear in mind it's an unrelenting heat in UAE.
 
ManFan said:
If he could be half as good as Haris was, Pakistan will be set for the next few years.
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Yeah but Harris could barely make it through 2 series in a row throughout his career though. Just didn't have the body to withstand the rigours of bowling fast at that level.
 
Is this guy that came a few years ago to t20 side because he got misbah out on a duck?
 
Bewal Express said:
Yes but only into left handers and away from right handers. I dont see success over the long term unless he has the other one into the right handers.
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He can also bring the back into the right hander. Just because you haven't seen it over the course of two matches doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
 
Syed1 said:
Dismissing Misbah isn't a big achievement
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Yep, absolutely, dismissing Pakistan's highest T20I averaging player is no achievement.

Anyway, he ripped through the batting attack in only his second game in a pitch not exactly known for its helpful conditions to fast bowlers. He is Pakistan's best swing bowler and well on his way to become the best in the world.
 
When was the last time a Pakistani bowler got 5 wickets inside the first 5 overs? Can't remember that, even Junaid Khan got a 4'fer vs India and those really good swinging conditions.

Regardless of the fact that this was a really bummed out Srilankan side, who has been really down and out after receiving a battering, this is one really good performance, you must have something in your locker to produce that regardless of the series scenario.
 
He cannot bring the ball back into the right hander due to his action and he relies more on seam movement rather than swing. Good backup bowler to have in the squad nevertheless.
 
[MENTION=141922]ExpressPacer[/MENTION] can he bring the ball back into the right-hander? Even the wickets that led to his T20I debut, none of those were taken with that particular delivery.

If he can't, in order to survive and be successful in international cricket he will need to learn how too.
 
Greenstorm said:
He cannot bring the ball back into the right hander due to his action and he relies more on seam movement rather than swing. Good backup bowler to have in the squad nevertheless.
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And you're basing this opinion off of what? He's only played 2 ODIs?! Ive seen him bring the ball into the right-hander in the PSL and he'll show you it in the T20I series again.

Seriously don't understand why people assume bull over the space of 2 games.
 
mmkextreme_1 said:
[MENTION=141922]ExpressPacer[/MENTION] can he bring the ball back into the right-hander? Even the wickets that led to his T20I debut, none of those were taken with that particular delivery.

If he can't, in order to survive and be successful in international cricket he will need to learn how too.
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I've seen him do it in the PSL. I'm looking forward to him doing it in the T20I series. I'm pretty sure he can but IF he can't;

1) That does not make him a bad bowler. He will still be a very good bowler. Even Amir does not have this good an outswinger and inswinger to the left-hander, so as the saying goes - you win some, you lose some. Can't have everything.

2) I'm sure playing with Amir and working with Azhar will eventually include that delivery in his armory.

Any-who, I'm pretty sure he can bring the ball back into the right-hander. I know I've seen him do it. Let's not forget that even good bowlers like Amir who speicalise in that very delivery are only able to bowl it when conditions suit them.
 
ExpressPacer said:
And you're basing this opinion off of what? He's only played 2 ODIs?! Ive seen him bring the ball into the right-hander in the PSL and he'll show you it in the T20I series again.

Seriously don't understand why people assume bull over the space of 2 games.
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The same rules apply to you as well. You made a thread with title "Usman Khan Shinwari is the best swing bowler in Pakistan" after 2 ODIs :91:
 
ExpressPacer said:
I've seen him do it in the PSL. I'm looking forward to him doing it in the T20I series. I'm pretty sure he can but IF he can't;

1) That does not make him a bad bowler. He will still be a very good bowler. Even Amir does not have this good an outswinger and inswinger to the left-hander, so as the saying goes - you win some, you lose some. Can't have everything.

2) I'm sure playing with Amir and working with Azhar will eventually include that delivery in his armory.

Any-who, I'm pretty sure he can bring the ball back into the right-hander. I know I've seen him do it. Let's not forget that even good bowlers like Amir who speicalise in that very delivery are only able to bowl it when conditions suit them.
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Amir brings the ball back into the right-hander almost at will (we've all seen him do it in unfavourable conditions as well, example CT final). Problem with Amir is taking the ball away from the right-hander without the scrambled seam, still waiting for him to develop that delivery, I've seen him ball vs. SRT (pre-ban), and then again vs. Kohli in the final, which left Kohli all at sea.

Looking at Shinwari's action, he shouldn't have issues learning to bring the ball back in. If you have a video from the PSL of him doing it, do share, please.
 
mmkextreme_1 said:
Amir brings the ball back into the right-hander almost at will (we've all seen him do it in unfavourable conditions as well, example CT final). Problem with Amir is taking the ball away from the right-hander without the scrambled seam, still waiting for him to develop that delivery, I've seen him ball vs. SRT (pre-ban), and then again vs. Kohli in the final, which left Kohli all at sea.

Looking at Shinwari's action, he shouldn't have issues learning to bring the ball back in. If you have a video from the PSL of him doing it, do share, please.
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Yes absolutely but haven't seen him bring it back at will in recent times tbh. I really hope he can. He's had an extended break from cricket now so hope his pace is up and swing is back. And as far as Usman is concerned, I personally think with the gift of swing that he's been blessed with in abundance, it shouldn't be too hard for him to learn to swing the ba into the right-hander, if he doesn't know how already.

And nope, sorry, don't really have any videos. Should be on display in the T20I series hopefully.
 
ExpressPacer said:
And you're basing this opinion off of what? He's only played 2 ODIs?! Ive seen him bring the ball into the right-hander in the PSL and he'll show you it in the T20I series again.

Seriously don't understand why people assume bull over the space of 2 games.
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It will be great if he swings it back into the right hander but with that action I think its nearly impossible to do that.
 
Rofl this is Pakistan

Pakistan has the best swing bowlers in the world

Check Mir Hamza [UBL], he just took 10 wickets against Rawalpindi

Ahmed Jamal took 9-50 vs SNGC [wickets like Misbah, Asad Shafiq, M. Rizwan, Iftikhar Ahmed, Hussain Tallat,etc...]

Happy for Usman Shinwari got the chance but hope Mir Hamza also plays, it would be lethal team to compete against.
 
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pkwdpassion said:
Rofl this is Pakistan

Pakistan has the best swing bowlers in the world

Check Mir Hamza [UBL], he just took 10 wickets against Rawalpindi

Ahmed Jamal took 9-50 vs SNGC [wickets like Misbah, Asad Shafiq, M. Rizwan, Iftikhar Ahmed, Hussain Tallat,etc...]

Happy for Usman Shinwari got the chance but hope Mir Hamza also plays, it would be lethal team to compete against.
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Usman Khan Shinwari is miles better than Mir Hamza who struggles to bowl over 130 KPH. Swinging on green pitches of Pakistan is not an achievement. The pitches are so green, you can't tell them apart from the ground.
 
ExpressPacer said:
He can also bring the back into the right hander. Just because you haven't seen it over the course of two matches doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Fine, but we can only judge him on what we see and all his wickets were from the same delivery. He'll certainly need to be able to do that to show he's not a one trick pony. I don't want to rubbish anyone's achievement, his figures today are fantastic, but opponents will watch him carefully now and if they can predict his greatest weapon, they will work to nullify it. He'll need one that seams the other way to be effective at the top level.
 
I'm really impressed with his cutters and yorkers. A promising talent, one for the future no doubt
 
He was supposed to be a SPRAY GUN.....

The guy is one hell of a bowler, just needs to improve his fitness
 
ExpressPacer said:
And you're basing this opinion off of what? He's only played 2 ODIs?! Ive seen him bring the ball into the right-hander in the PSL and he'll show you it in the T20I series again.

Seriously don't understand why people assume bull over the space of 2 games.
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If he can then he will allay my fears about being another Wahab and we will have an excellent young bowler on our hands. But looking at his action and seam, i dont think he can.
 
Either he improves and becomes better and better or he can't improve and gets worse. We will find out.

Either way for the moment I am looking forward to seeing more of him in the t20s
 
Jabo said:
Is this guy that came a few years ago to t20 side because he got misbah out on a duck?
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Yes, he was Unplayable in that domestic T20 tournament and was fast forwarded into the Pakistan team by Misbah. However he was not ready then & also got injured. But he is looking much better right now. He always got huge movement when he bowls. So could be a deadly new addition in the Pakistan Side. He is not a threat for Mohd Amir, But competition for Junaid Khan & Rumman Raees.
 
[MENTION=141922]ExpressPacer[/MENTION]

Mir Hamza swings both ways and swings incredible angles as most saw in England 2016.

Mir Hamza averages 18 and has taken 230 wickets in first class. He deserves a call up.

So does Sohail Khan, he is top wicket taker(33 wickets) in Quaid Azam Trophy this year.
 
UN talkz said:
He was supposed to be a SPRAY GUN.....

The guy is one hell of a bowler, just needs to improve his fitness
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That would be a major advantage over Wahab if he has accuracy. Riaz's weakness was not only his single inswinging delivery, it was lack of control on days when he was off. Let's see if Shinwari can show more consistency and prove this wasn't just a good day at the office.
 
Sirris said:
Either he improves and becomes better and better or he can't improve and gets worse. We will find out.

Either way for the moment I am looking forward to seeing more of him in the t20s
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Of course. But as of now, there is not a single bowler in Pakistan who could've made the ball talk the way on THAT pitch and in those conditions the way Usman did.
 
pkwdpassion said:
[MENTION=141922]ExpressPacer[/MENTION]

Mir Hamza swings both ways and swings incredible angles as most saw in England 2016.

Mir Hamza averages 18 and has taken 230 wickets in first class. He deserves a call up.

So does Sohail Khan, he is top wicket taker(33 wickets) in Quaid Azam Trophy this year.
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Maybe he could be given a go in Tests but let me remind you, he is another product of the green pitches where it is hard to distinguish the batting strip from the ground. He doesn't have pace and won't be doing anything destructive even if he does swing it at the 125 kph pies.

Sohail Khan was the definition of mediocrity.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Yes absolutely but haven't seen him bring it back at will in recent times tbh. I really hope he can. He's had an extended break from cricket now so hope his pace is up and swing is back. And as far as Usman is concerned, I personally think with the gift of swing that he's been blessed with in abundance, it shouldn't be too hard for him to learn to swing the ba into the right-hander, if he doesn't know how already.

And nope, sorry, don't really have any videos. Should be on display in the T20I series hopefully.
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Usman bowled very well today no doubt, but he didn't really swing the ball. Almost all of his balls were seamers, his length was very good, and at times seam more than people expected, part of that has to do with the angle he delivers the ball. Seam and swing are not the same thing, Amir/Boult can swing the ball, I have not seen that from Usman, even in PSL. His action is such that it will be hard for him to swing the ball back into RHB. He skids the ball very well, that's why he is pacer than speed gun suggests, much like Hasan Ali... Lets see if he can develop the swing in future...

Raees was swinging the ball during ODI series. He was the only other lefty other than Amir, who has swung the ball out of the current lot...
 
yasir said:
Usman bowled very well today no doubt, but he didn't really swing the ball. Almost all of his balls were seamers, his length was very good, and at times seam more than people expected, part of that has to do with the angle he delivers the ball. Seam and swing are not the same thing, Amir/Boult can swing the ball, I have not seen that from Usman, even in PSL. His action is such that it will be hard for him to swing the ball back into RHB. He skids the ball very well, that's why he is pacer than speed gun suggests, much like Hasan Ali... Lets see if he can develop the swing in future...

Raees was swinging the ball during ODI series. He was the only other lefty other than Amir, who has swung the ball out of the current lot...
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A good post in general and yes, I am aware if the difference between swing and seam, however, it was evident that he swung quite a few deliveries. Amir moves the ball more, yes. However, he isn't as consistent. And Raees got movement in the air, similar to what Binny got in BD in the 6fer. So that wasn't exactly swing.
 
People will come to realize what kind of a "swing bowler" he really is soon.

Give it some matches.

PPers would have hyped up Stuart Binny as the next Wasim too.
 
Great start. Definitely has given us a selection headache for the next ODI game.
 
Guyz dont forget that shinwari was included in the team because he is the best death overs bowler. (According to arthur)

Amir
Hassan
Shinwari

This will be the pace attack of pakistan in upcoming tours.
 
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