"Usman Qadir will be playing for Pakistan for many years" : Dean Jones

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Frome the recent Dean Jones interview :-

PakPassion.net: Regarding another youngster, Usman Qadir, who’s out there in Australia playing club cricket, you were very enthusiastic about seeing his leg spin talent. Tell us a little about him and your first impressions of him?

Dean Jones: He’s just a kid. He’s learning the ropes, which is a fantastic part of development. He’s in now training squads in the South Australian teams. When Warne, Murali and Abdul Qadir bowled the ball, you could hear the vicious spin. You could hear it in the air before it gets to the batsmen. You don’t hear that with many spinners. Normally, with most spinners they bowl like their deliveries have silencers on them. But with Usman you can feel the energy with him. He likes to spin it both ways. Probably too much. But he’s having fun and learning what he can and can’t do.

Again, he just has to work on his defensive skills. Can he bowl six balls into a shoebox outside off stump when under pressure? That’s what Warne was great at, Abdul Qadir was great at, Kumble, that’s the reason they took so many wickets, same with Murali. They do get hurt occasionally – because the batsmen do smack them and the heat, they can still learn that. And the same goes for his batting. He’s made 100s already in grade cricket in South Australia. He’s a better batsman than his old man, that’s for sure, thankfully! He will be playing for Pakistan for many years. He will make it as a bowler first. I’d say he’s a few years away yet, but he’s something special.
 
Excited about Usman.

Really looking forward to seeing his development as an all round cricketer and how he gets on in domestic cricket.
 
Its good that he's playing in Aus, but should play in Pakistan and England too
 
I hope, media, fans and the cricket boards does not turn Usman into another Faisal Iqbal, Rohan Gavaskar, Imran Qadir, Salman Qadir ... and many more players who could not get out the shadow of their fathers/uncles..... because of how all three ( media, fans and the cricket boards ) treated them...and expected of them.

Here is another example: :))

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=165596
 
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I have allways called him the little Afridi. He is a wicket-taking bowler and can hit some blows with the bat as well.

But he needs to work on his economy rate while bowling, he often goes for many. Raza Hasan and Usman played together for u19s but look where Raza is now and where Usman is. But he is still young and can improve.
 
He alongside Yasir, Karamat, Zafar, Raza & Shahzaib will be our future.
 
Might be my eyes but I didn't see this in the original interview posted. :murali. EDIT: nvm it is my eyes didn't realise this is a 2 year old OP. What's with the bump lol.

Usman' definitely a talent but we need to let him develop. Leg spinners need years to polish their skills and the more domestic cricket he plays the better his accuracy will get. Should not be rushed into the setup. Keep taking him on A tours and let him play domestic cricket wherever he can.
 
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lets hope he develops into something good but i cant see what the fuss is about at the moment. i cant see where he's performed anywhere, domestic or otherwise. as far as i can tell hes extremely underwhelming.
 
Sifarishi cricketer. Deans Jones only mentioning out of nostalgia for Abdul Qadir.

Yasir Shah is a far better bowler and a fighter.

This chump is a bowler version of Umar Amin.
 
Sifarishi cricketer. Deans Jones only mentioning out of nostalgia for Abdul Qadir.

Yasir Shah is a far better bowler and a fighter.

This chump is a bowler version of Umar Amin.

Well Yasir should be since he's had years of developing in domestic cricket!
 
He will not even make 1 appearance for Pak. Another one of Abdul's son's who will not make it.
 
It would be great to have Dean Jones as Pakistan's next head coach if Waqar fails.
 
Sifarishi cricketer. Deans Jones only mentioning out of nostalgia for Abdul Qadir.

Yasir Shah is a far better bowler and a fighter.

This chump is a bowler version of Umar Amin.

Spinners take time to develop. .he is still very young to make such statement. He has everything to be a good legspinner other than good control and experience.
 
Yasir is better.

But we never know untill someone plays , he may work hard and surprise a lot of people.
 
I think it was a great idea from the Qadir family to send him to Oz for his early cricketing education.

let's see how it goes, he certainly had raw talent.
 
The great thing about Usman Qadir compared with Yasir Shah is his experience in Australia.

He is not anywhere close to the finished article as a legspinner, but he is probably Pakistan's second best player of cuts, pulls and hooks as a batsman (after Salman Butt) because he learned to play those shots as a teenager in Australia. That makes a huge difference, and means that on tours of Australia and South Africa he could be a huge asset at number 8 in the batting order.

My personal belief, as I keep stating, is that the outlawing of the doosra means that the only spin-bowlers selectable outside Asia have to be either a genius (Herath) or much more likely a legspinner who can justify a place in the team as a middle-order batsman.

If I had to choose between

a) A Mushtaq Ahmed-quality leggie who can average 32.97 with the ball and 11.71 with the bat

OR

b) An Intikhab Alam-quality leggie who can average 35.95 with the ball and 22.28 with the bat



..........I will take the better lower-order batsman every time.

In Test cricket outside Asia, modern spinners are effectively just specialist batsmen when your team loses the toss and bats second.

And even when you win the toss and bat first, they are still specialist batsmen in the first innings.

I still see Usman Qadir having a brighter future outside Asia than Yasir Shah or Karamat Ali. Because of his batting.
 
Wait till Dean Jones see Karamat & Zahid & Shahzaib...

If selection criteria is merit alone then Usman most likely wouldn't play for Pakistan IMO.
 
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In recent T20 tournament he looked a much improved bowler to me, his leg spin was turning big and he has a good googly right from start, still a bit in-consistent with his line and length though, but there is huge potential
 
and as [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] stated Qadir has good potential to be a leg-spinning all-rounder
 
and as [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] stated Qadir has good potential to be a leg-spinning all-rounder
 
http://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/news/210222-australia-pakistan-in-tug-of-war-over-abdul-qadirs-son-usman

Australia, Pakistan in tug-of-war over Abdul Qadir's son, Usman

With one leg-spinner of Pakistani origin, Fawad Ahmed, 'under their belt' already, Australia's cricket bosses are now eyeing another young sub-continental talent with a famous surname. Usman, son of Pakistan great Abdul Qadir, and all of 19, is attracting a lot of eyeballs in a nation struggling to groom quality wrist spinners.

In a report published in the Sydney Morning Herald, it has been suggested that Usman showed interest in returning to Australia, where he played club cricket last year in Adelaide and with South Australia's Futures League team featuring under-23 players.

But Pakistan are not sitting quiet. In what could be a surprise move, the Pakistan Cricket Board may include Usman for the tour of West Indies later this month. Interestingly, Usman has yet not played a first-class game although he has eight domestic ODIs against his name.

"He has shown some interest (in representing Australia) but I also know he's of significant interest in his home system," said South Australia's director of cricket Jamie Cox. "We're pretty much tip-toeing our way through our options from here."

Usman has also represented Pakistan in under-19 ODIs in 2012. His return to Adelaide this season was much expected and Cricket Australia too was in the loop.

"We've left the conversation very open but we've made it clear to him that if he's going to come back here again we're going to want more of a commitment," Cox said.

"He hasn't come out and said 'if you can do this and that, then I'm yours'. I think he's still very much considering it from what I can gather but he's also very much in [Pakistan's] eyes as well. We've sort of left it in Ussy's hands."

Since Shane Warne's retirement, Australia have been searching for a wrist spinner. Nathan Lyon, an off-spinner, is currently the No.1 in Tests while Xavier Doherty, left-arm orthodox, heads the department in ODIs.

The Aussies have high hopes on Fawad, who recently got his citizenship bid accepted. At 31, the one thing probably not on Fawad's side is his age. If Usman choses to play for Australia, it could be a big plus for them.

Usman was quoted last December saying he had been "offered to play for Australia" but was yet to decide on that. "I've left the final decision in my father's hands," Usman reportedly said to a Pakistani website.

Usman's father, took 236 wickets in 67 Tests for Pakistan and is widely regarded as one of the best ever leg-spinners to have played the game, certainly the best from the country.
 
In my lifetime there have been two terrific Pakistani batsmen on bouncy wickets.

Both Ijaz Ahmed and Azhar Mahmood excelled at playing the horizontal bat shots - the cut, the pull and the hook.

Usman Qadir showed the potential to do that during his time in Adelaide. The question now is whether he can get enough First Class experience at bowling accurate leg-spin for hour after hour after hour.
 
In my lifetime there have been two terrific Pakistani batsmen on bouncy wickets.

Both Ijaz Ahmed and Azhar Mahmood excelled at playing the horizontal bat shots - the cut, the pull and the hook.

Usman Qadir showed the potential to do that during his time in Adelaide. The question now is whether he can get enough First Class experience at bowling accurate leg-spin for hour after hour after hour.

How do you know Qadir can bat well in Australia?

Shehzad and U.Akmal are very good with cut, pull and hook as is Jamshed.
 
How do you know Qadir can bat well in Australia?

Shehzad and U.Akmal are very good with cut, pull and hook as is Jamshed.

I know that Qadir can bat well on bouncy tracks because he did well with the bat in grade cricket in Adelaide.

I do agree that Umar Akmal is a good hard-wicket batsman. But Shehzad and Jamshed are terrible in these conditions because they can't judge which balls to leave on and outside off-stump. Steyn and Philander really exposed Jamshed and Shehzad looks pretty dodgy.
 
I know that Qadir can bat well on bouncy tracks because he did well with the bat in grade cricket in Adelaide.

I do agree that Umar Akmal is a good hard-wicket batsman. But Shehzad and Jamshed are terrible in these conditions because they can't judge which balls to leave on and outside off-stump. Steyn and Philander really exposed Jamshed and Shehzad looks pretty dodgy.

Do you know what his stats were? Would like to know. Qadir is a friend of mine and is very eager to play for national team. Very focussed and he uses Hashim Amla as an example of whom to follow.

And Shehzad is far from terrible. He has a ton in New Zealand and a ton in South Africa. Has pulled Dale Steyn for six in South Africa. Has hooked/pulled Mitchell Johnson for 6. Can play short ball very well.
 
Sorry, I can't find the Adelaide grade cricket pages that used to host his stats.
 
Sorry, I can't find the Adelaide grade cricket pages that used to host his stats.

No worries.

I think at the moment his problem is he tries too many variations. Hopefully with time he will learn.
 
No worries.

I think at the moment his problem is he tries too many variations. Hopefully with time he will learn.

It would be great if you could reiterate to him the terrific advice from Dean Jones.

1. He needs to concentrate on his stock leg-spin delivery, so that he can bowl it to a perfect line and length even if he is blindfolded! He needs to ensure that 95% of the balls that he bowls in the nets are the leg-break. He needs a reliable leg-break that batsmen don't dare try to clobber!

2. I would add that he needs to develop a similar sound defensive base with his batting. It's great that he has lots of shots, but because modern bowlers start with too much 50 and 20 overs cricket they often don't develop a sound defensive base. He needs a sound enough defensive technique that he knows that he can protect his wicket for an entire session if he chooses to defend.

A spin bowler starting his career needs to ensure that he is an asset in his team in First Class cricket even when the wicket is of no assistance to his bowling. That means the ability to bat out time is crucial, to prevent batting collapses and to stay at the crease with specialist batsmen.

If Qadir is to play a role for Pakistan, I see it as being a player who can come to the crease with the team 180-6 after 50 overs and stay there with the set batsman for the next two hours - 26 overs - and score 30 runs in an unbroken partnership of 75 so that the second new ball comes with Pakistan 255-6 and him "set", hopefully for a hundred partnership and to blunt the new ball.

I don't see a role for him to come to the crease with them 180-6 and then score 30 from 30 balls and then get out leaving them 220-7.

These sound like small margins to people used to T20 and ODIs, but they are not.
 
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As a leggi, by his mid 20s, 7 wickets in 8 FC matches, and a List A average of 42 - this guy deserves lot, lot, lot less space in PP than he is getting.
 
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