Verbal diarrhoea: Waqar Younis blasts ex-cricketers for comments on TV about Pak players, coaches

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I feel embarrassed and ashamed when I hear some of our cricketers on our national channels speak about our current players and coaches <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/VerbalDiarrhoea?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#VerbalDiarrhoea</a> There has to be a limit..There are better ways of making money guys. Show some Respect <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Please?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Please</a></p>— Waqar Younis (@waqyounis99) <a href="https://twitter.com/waqyounis99/status/1147624071733006336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 6, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[UP]

I agree. Former Pak player behave like proper jaahil paindoos in front of the media. Think before you speak.

 

[ManFan]

Waqar has been probably one of the better behaved ex-players from that “group”.

 

[sweep_shot]

Abdul Razzaq's comment about Mickey Arthur was disrespectful and poor.

 

[Mamoon]

Waqar has been probably one of the better behaved ex-players from that “group”.

Because he has made millions from PCB for being an incompetent coach.

 

[ManFan]

Because he has made millions from PCB for being an incompetent coach.

True.

He genuinely wanted to better the team but was too authoritarian.

 

[topspin]

Because he has made millions from PCB for being an incompetent coach.

Spot on - 2 stints as well!

 

[Mueez]

I think using “verbal diarrhoea” is a new trend for (ex-) cricketers...

 

[farazaidi]

I think using “verbal diarrhoea” is a new trend for (ex-) cricketers...

credit goes to Sir Jadeja

 

[Savak]

He is referring to Tanvir Ahmed and Abdul Razzaq

 

[moghul]

Because he has made millions from PCB for being an incompetent coach.

Do you really have to come out with something negative , always.

 

[IAJ]

He is referring to Tanvir Ahmed and Abdul Razzaq

He should have dropped the line saying there are better ways to make money. This can backfire as they can bring up match fixings from 90s and attack him.

 

[aloo paratha]

True.

He genuinely wanted to better the team but was too authoritarian.

If anything he wasn't authoritarian enough. He couldn't get what he wanted. He wanted to be a part of the selection committee and have Shehzad and Akmal out but could never get that.

 

[Mamoon]

Do you really have to come out with something negative , always.

My apologies. Let’s stick to the narrative that Waqar is only coming to the rescue out of the goodness of his heart.

 

[mak36]

Love Waqar more and more. He has been on the money recently.

 

[Stewie]

Waqar is such a man of integrity .. usually the recently ousted coaches are the ones with the biggest bone to pick (remember Mohsin Khan?)

But he has backed the team and the staff to the hilt .. I really admire and respect him. This is how legends should behave.. don’t make a spectacle of your own people for a few bucks!

 

[Abdullah719]

This is in response of Abdul Razzaq's comments about Mickey, obviously.

Contrast with someone like Mohsin Khan who doesn't waste any time in trying to run down Mickey Arthur any time he gets the chance to do so, because he wants the job. Ask him any random question and he starts taking jibes at "management" and "coaching" (notice how he holds back from taking names, but what's implied is obvious).

That's the difference in class.

 

[Hasan123]

Lol he may as well call these people out.

 

[mak36]

This is in response of Abdul Razzaq's comments about Mickey, obviously.

Contrast with someone like Mohsin Khan who doesn't waste any time in trying to run down Mickey Arthur any time he gets the chance to do so, because he wants the job. Ask him any random question and he starts taking jibes at "management" and "coaching" (notice how he holds back from taking names, but what's implied is obvious).

That's the difference in class.

Made all the more remarkable by the fact he was Mickey's predecessor.

How many times have we seen a former coach (never mind former player) defend the current coach in Pakistan cricket?

True class from Waqar.

 

[mgtow]

Because he has made millions from PCB for being an incompetent coach.

Only if you were former cricketer. The generalization would not be far off.

 

[Slog]

True.

He genuinely wanted to better the team but was too authoritarian.

He hardly had any power. He wanted Shehzad and akmal out for years but never got his way.

 

[Pakistanian]

Because he has made millions from PCB for being an incompetent coach.

He's getting paid the market average for somebody in his position. Pakistanis need to stop wallet-watching.

 

[Pakistanian]

This is in response of Abdul Razzaq's comments about Mickey, obviously.

Contrast with someone like Mohsin Khan who doesn't waste any time in trying to run down Mickey Arthur any time he gets the chance to do so, because he wants the job. Ask him any random question and he starts taking jibes at "management" and "coaching" (notice how he holds back from taking names, but what's implied is obvious).

That's the difference in class.

Nothing classy about throwing shade. Khan needs to move on and get a real job if his retirement funds are running dry.

 

[Hawkeye]

He hardly had any power. He wanted Shehzad and akmal out for years but never got his way.

Yeah.

Waqar wanted the right thing.

To kick out Shehzad mostly, and was also against Umar's antics.

 

[iniqbal223]

Boycott media outlets and former players who spew venom

Guys , Llke all of you, I feel down and disappointed with Pak team not playing World cup. But any time not a rubbish I thought about our players, coaches, etc.

But in last few weeks these guys were targeted INDECENTLY by our former players , some media journalists, and few stupid people as well. There fore this is my request to every one we should not tolerate any of these non sense.

Instead of criticizing, these jokers are abusing their family saying ill wills. We have not even said anything or thought about it when they sold their country for making bucks in ICL, match fixing, etc.

Except for Malik and Hafeez, our team is pretty young, with hardly anyone with 100 ODI games, yet they finished at 5th. They were not good, but we should push them to improve. But not the way our ex cricketers have chosen to.

I LIVE IN UNITED STATES, and entire pak community is upset by the comments made by these former cricketers especially Abdul Razzaq, Shoaib Akhtar, Kamran Akmal, etc. And we have decided to stop this non sense by our media outlets who give air time to them. We have also decided no more sponsorship to these media channels who air indecent, and negative behaviors from our side. No more subscriptions. No more tolerance towards abuse and bad behavior.

Thanks--
Ahmed

 

[ManFan]

He hardly had any power. He wanted Shehzad and akmal out for years but never got his way.

What I meant was he was too head strong; it was either “my way or the highway”.

That mentality led to mentally fragile players developing a wall against his coaching.

 

[PakLFC]

All many of our ex players know is to attack the team and coach. Even after retiring they can't let go off the game coz they know nothing else.

 

[dildilpak]

Guys , Llke all of you, I feel down and disappointed with Pak team not playing World cup. But any time not a rubbish I thought about our players, coaches, etc.

But in last few weeks these guys were targeted INDECENTLY by our former players , some media journalists, and few stupid people as well. There fore this is my request to every one we should not tolerate any of these non sense.

Instead of criticizing, these jokers are abusing their family saying ill wills. We have not even said anything or thought about it when they sold their country for making bucks in ICL, match fixing, etc.

Except for Malik and Hafeez, our team is pretty young, with hardly anyone with 100 ODI games, yet they finished at 5th. They were not good, but we should push them to improve. But not the way our ex cricketers have chosen to.

I LIVE IN UNITED STATES, and entire pak community is upset by the comments made by these former cricketers especially Abdul Razzaq, Shoaib Akhtar, Kamran Akmal, etc. And we have decided to stop this non sense by our media outlets who give air time to them. We have also decided no more sponsorship to these media channels who air indecent, and negative behaviors from our side. No more subscriptions. No more tolerance towards abuse and bad behavior.

Thanks--
Ahmed

Surprisingly you say you live in the US & dont believe in free speech?

While some language is disgusting & needs to be condemned, it doesnt mean you don’t air their opinion & punish the tv channels for it.

 

[iniqbal223]

Free speech does not give some one a right to abuse. Here in US also, you can go and file a case against some one using abusive or indecent language.

 

[iniqbal223]

This was not free speech rather than an abuse of a right..

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Surprisingly you say you live in the US & dont believe in free speech?

While some language is disgusting & needs to be condemned, it doesnt mean you don’t air their opinion & punish the tv channels for it.

He is asking to boycott them not ban them

Read properly first

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

Reword this topic to:
"Silence! I can't stand warranted criticism!"

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

Guys , Llke all of you, I feel down and disappointed with Pak team not playing World cup. But any time not a rubbish I thought about our players, coaches, etc.

But in last few weeks these guys were targeted INDECENTLY by our former players , some media journalists, and few stupid people as well. There fore this is my request to every one we should not tolerate any of these non sense.

Instead of criticizing, these jokers are abusing their family saying ill wills. We have not even said anything or thought about it when they sold their country for making bucks in ICL, match fixing, etc.

Except for Malik and Hafeez, our team is pretty young, with hardly anyone with 100 ODI games, yet they finished at 5th. They were not good, but we should push them to improve. But not the way our ex cricketers have chosen to.

I LIVE IN UNITED STATES, and entire pak community is upset by the comments made by these former cricketers especially Abdul Razzaq, Shoaib Akhtar, Kamran Akmal, etc. And we have decided to stop this non sense by our media outlets who give air time to them. We have also decided no more sponsorship to these media channels who air indecent, and negative behaviors from our side. No more subscriptions. No more tolerance towards abuse and bad behavior.

Thanks--
Ahmed

Why do I get the feeling you just started watching cricket like 5 or 6 years go.

 

[iniqbal223]

25 years to be precise. But this time these ex players crossed their limits, as if they have won world cups for us. And I know which players I am referring to..

 

[blackanhyellow]

Let's call out these ex-players for what they are doing, which is saying outrageous things to get ratings, which in turn they get more money for these "cricket analysis" shows.

They used to be cricketers themselves and used to go through this as well from the media. Now I guess they think it's time to take revenge.

 

[Mirpur express]

Agree to certain extent , mostly valid criticism but guys like Tanvir Ahmed are definitely out of line

 

[blackanhyellow]

My apologies. Let’s stick to the narrative that Waqar is only coming to the rescue out of the goodness of his heart.

The ex-players spouting this venom are also not doing it out the goodness of their hearts. They either have something personal against someone, looking for a job in PCB themselves, or are saying crazy things for ratings so they get more money the next time they are asked to guest star on these "cricket analysis" shows.

Without proof they accuse people of match fixing, wishing death upon a coach, etc...

Regardless of how Waqar was as a coach, he is right in this , that this has to stop. Its unacceptable behaviour.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

For this particular reason, i respect Misbah ul haq a lot. He was character assassinated 24/7 during his time but even now he voices his opinion with a lot of dignity and grace. His analysis/opinions on cricinfo are always honest and coming from a professional space. He is a calm individual in peace with himself and never tries to settle any grudges in public domain. I am not surprised he is never invited to any such masala TV shows. I wish i meet him once in life. Good soul.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Surprisingly you say you live in the US & dont believe in free speech?

While some language is disgusting & needs to be condemned, it doesnt mean you don’t air their opinion & punish the tv channels for it.

Slander is not free speech in u.s. and you can get sued for it. Accusing someone with fixing without proof is slander.

Also boycotting is a right protected by any democracy in the world including the U.S.

So how was anything this poster said against free speech?

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Surprisingly you say you live in the US & dont believe in free speech?

While some language is disgusting & needs to be condemned, it doesnt mean you don’t air their opinion & punish the tv channels for it.

Free speech is one thing but this shouldn’t be allowed. Most of the cricketing shows in Pakistan are absolutely disgusting

 

[Pakistanian]

Surprisingly you say you live in the US & dont believe in free speech?

While some language is disgusting & needs to be condemned, it doesnt mean you don’t air their opinion & punish the tv channels for it.

They're free to say what they want but sponsors shouldn't give money to these shows, that's what youtube did. They pulled off ads from channels that were promoting racism, sexism, violence and other stuff against their values.

 

[Napa]

Waqar is such a man of integrity

True class from Waqar.

He could be a man of integrity and class but got a bit carried away when he publicly questioned Team India's sportsmanship. That wasn't a classy thing to do.

 

[nads_rocks]

These ex cricketers should hand their head in shame because they were also playing for this team but they did just as crap and worse in major tournaments and crunch moments than this team is doing so they can't sit there and criticise because they also lost against India they also lost against Australia, they also lost in group stages, in semi's and in the finals etc...

Now they think they are better and know it all well where was this intelligence when they were out there with a bat in hand ball in hand representing their nation in front of millions ??

 

[Captain caveman]

As usual, waqar fighting for pak and pak cricket team, while akram is nowhere to be seen!

 

[Usman Chadda]

Abdul Razzaq, Shoaib Akhtar and Kamran Akmal )

Three of them have mucked up quite spectacularly in various phases of their WC careers. But wo toh kisi ko yaad bhi nahi rehta.

 

[Pete Rose]

He could be a man of integrity and class but got a bit carried away when he publicly questioned Team India's sportsmanship. That wasn't a classy thing to do.

That was not a good look for him, indeed

 

[WengerOut]

Apparently Twitter diarrhoea is fine.

 

[Rayyman]

This is in response of Abdul Razzaq's comments about Mickey, obviously.

Contrast with someone like Mohsin Khan who doesn't waste any time in trying to run down Mickey Arthur any time he gets the chance to do so, because he wants the job. Ask him any random question and he starts taking jibes at "management" and "coaching" (notice how he holds back from taking names, but what's implied is obvious).

That's the difference in class.

3-0 against England

 

[USaqaf]

Don't lump Shoaib in this group, he just called out Sarfraz's stomach , but after that he's been very complimentary and supportive when warranted.

 

[ar2020]

Waqar is shameful himself. Making uneducated comments saying India lost a match on purpose.

 

[Indiafan]

Waqar is shameful himself. Making uneducated comments saying India lost a match on purpose.

He didn't say lost on purpose. No one thought india would win. He questioned the intent and rightly so

 

[MenInG]

Apparently Twitter diarrhoea is fine.

Waqar is shameful himself. Making uneducated comments saying India lost a match on purpose.

He didn't say lost on purpose. No one thought india would win. He questioned the intent and rightly so

Huge difference in an opinion vs what Razzaq said

Surely you can see the difference?

 

[pakistani pride]

Waqar is shameful himself. Making uneducated comments saying India lost a match on purpose.

He never said they lost on purpose he mentioned the lack of INTENT. He was not the only one even Ganguly was surprised at the way India batted. Just look at the last few overs, at a certain point even the passionate Indian fans has seen enough and left the stadium but Dhoni managed the draw. So all is well.

 

[big_gamer007]

There's a line which razzaq crossed. He should apologize for his comment about Arthur's death.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Because he has made millions from PCB for being an incompetent coach.

Because, he had guys like Akmal, Shehzad and Afridi to control.

 

[IcedCoffee]

He's getting paid the market average for somebody in his position. Pakistanis need to stop wallet-watching.

Yup see this globally with desis especially Pakistanis.

Last I heard, Waqar left 2 -3 months of dues on the PCB willingly when he was removed. Let's see any of these arm chair experts do the same. Inb4...'Oh if I made millions'

Additionally he has several other avenues to make money

 

[hur rizvi]

The thing with Waqar was that he wasn’t a good head coach but very good bowling coach

 

[Slog]

He could be a man of integrity and class but got a bit carried away when he publicly questioned Team India's sportsmanship. That wasn't a classy thing to do.

He didn’t say they lost in purpose

 

[Wristy_Shuffler]

There aren't many people who are better qualified to talk about cricket and especially Pakistani cricket than Waqar. He has been more involved that most other ex-cricketers and say what you want about his coaching stints but there's no doubt that Pakistan's bowling was at its very best when Asif, Amir and Gul were bowling in 2010.

I think the reason why he spoke out now is because he probably knows what it's like having been on the inside both as a player and as a coach. Criticism of the players is just too much sometimes and borders on insane from some people. It's probably also the reason why some fans find it acceptable to confront players, shouting abuse in front of their fam.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

This is why I respect Waqar so much.

 

[Saj]

Totally agree with Waqar here.

Some sat on tv spouting rubbish to earn a few rupees.

 

[iniqbal223]

Being supportive now does not make him a saint. His language is so pathetic. They are icons, should understand their responsibilities towards society. Kids, and younger generation look up to them. Is this what we are teaching and kids? Just criticize in abusive manner no matter what?

There are institutions at place, (here PCB), who will definitely take the decisions about non performers. Instead of unnecessary biased media trial why not we take the steps by creating an organized post in our strong Pakpassion forum where performances, unmerited selections, dropped catches, misfields, toxic players role, meaningful impact, meaningless performances, etc. can be recorded. Since we love this sport, and watch almost every game.

Secondly, our community in US is strong, and we have also started the campaign of reporting those youtube videos where ex players shows indecency. This is just a small initiative, but together, constructively, we can make this forum single source of truth of Pakistan's cricket catalogue, and this way our viewers or new cricketing audience will know which is truth or not. I am open to the ideas.

For example, in one of the Yahya Husseini interview, he claimed Kamran Akmal as one of the best wicket keepers of all time, and portrait him as victim. This is totally rubbish. We all know, except for his few good, performances, what kami has done. This way we can also curb paid news.

 

[WengerOut]

Huge difference in an opinion vs what Razzaq said

Surely you can see the difference?

Razzaq statement was atrocious.
Waqar maybe the lesser evil here, but he is still evil, right? Evil is just metaphorical here.

 

[Mamoon]

The ex-players spouting this venom are also not doing it out the goodness of their hearts. They either have something personal against someone, looking for a job in PCB themselves, or are saying crazy things for ratings so they get more money the next time they are asked to guest star on these "cricket analysis" shows.

Without proof they accuse people of match fixing, wishing death upon a coach, etc...

Regardless of how Waqar was as a coach, he is right in this , that this has to stop. Its unacceptable behaviour.

I agree.

 

[Mamoon]

He's getting paid the market average for somebody in his position. Pakistanis need to stop wallet-watching.

He coached Pakistan team for 5 years in this decade for nothing results. There was no accountability.

 

[MenInG]

Razzaq statement was atrocious.
Waqar maybe the lesser evil here, but he is still evil, right? Evil is just metaphorical here.

Definition of evil is not clear to me.

 

[Markhor]

Waqar was a poor head coach but he at least conducts himself in a civilised manner.

Let's be honest, without their TV gigs these ex-players would be back in the village milking cows at 5am. They don't have an education to fall back on or any interests outside cricket. That's why they make these disgraceful comments, to stay in limelight.

 

[pakistani pride]

Waqar was a poor head coach but he at least conducts himself in a civilised manner.

Let's be honest, without their TV gigs these ex-players would be back in the village milking cows at 5am. They don't have an education to fall back on or any interests outside cricket. That's why they make these disgraceful comments, to stay in limelight.

Razzaq made more than enough money playing cricket for like 20 years. For Pakistani level these guys earn lots of money and many including Razzaq also have played in the UK.

If now they are short of money its because of their own and not because of anything else.

 

[WengerOut]

Definition of evil is not clear to me.

The context is the so called diarrhoea. Waqar is complaining about others saying nonsense when infact he also is doing the same thing via twitter albeit in a lesser dose. That tweet was not his opinion but his frustration being vented out.

 

[Napa]

He didn’t say they lost in purpose

He insinuated, which is worse than outright saying something. Questioning someone's sportsmanship is equal to questioning their honesty and integrity. Dhoni was under no obligation to anyone to wildly throw his bat at every ball trying to score at 14+ runs an over in the last 5 overs. Yesterday, Australia could not even manage to get to victory against SA when the asking rate was only 10.4 for the last 5 overs.