Vernon Philander shows that pace is not everything!

[Jan Sher]

Vernon Philander rarely touches 135 kph, still performed really well on this Australia tour, on flat tracks, which clearly shows that you can survive even if you are bowling under 140 kph, provided you are stubborn, smart and disciplined in your line and length.

Discuss.

 

[jeetu]

Vernon Philander rarely touches 135 kph, still performed really well on this Australia tour, on flat tracks, which clearly shows that you can survive even if you are bowling under 140 kph, provided you are stubborn, smart and disciplined in your line and length.

Discuss.

One only needs to look at Glenn Mcgrath or Hadlee. Their accuracy trumped pace.

 

[Jan Sher]

One only needs to look at Glenn Mcgrath or Hadlee. Their accuracy trumped pace.

Yes, but he is the current live example, who dismantled Australia in Australia with his medium pace bowling, on motorways.

 

[MenInG]

Big lesson for our friends on this forum. Which is probably why Mohammad Asif would have been a handful in Australia/NZ

 

[Mamoon]

Yes, but he is the current live example, who dismantled Australia in Australia with his medium pace bowling, on motorways.

This ongoing Test is on a green wicket, not motorway.

 

[Itachi]

Even vinay Kumar will be a deadly bowler on this pitch.

 

[Rayyman]

Big lesson for our friends on this forum. Which is probably why Mohammad Asif would have been a handful in Australia/NZ

Pakistan doesn't get green pitches, which is why pace is more important for us. For swing, we have Sohail Khan.

 

[Slog]

Even vinay Kumar will be a deadly bowler on this pitch.

haha not really

India played him on a fairly fast Perth wicket in 2012 and he went at 6 an over whereas Aussie pacers were brilliant and won the test by an innings

 

[Jan Sher]

This ongoing Test is on a green wicket, not motorway.

The pitch in the first match wasn't green, while the current one has slight green patches, not a complete green wicket.

 

[Bewal Express]

A lot depends on the pitch, if he bowls in Ind or the UAE he would be distinctively average.

 

[Chrish]

Wickets have more spice in them compared to several previous tours.. doubt it he would succeed to this level on those pitches

Still credit to him for stepping up

 

[Tusker]

Vernon Philander rarely touches 135 kph, still performed really well on this Australia tour, on flat tracks, which clearly shows that you can survive even if you are bowling under 140 kph, provided you are stubborn, smart and disciplined in your line and length.

Discuss.

The two pitches in this series vs AUS were anything but Flat ... wait till he tours Ind,SL and UAE before declaring that pace isnt everythng .

 

[Jan Sher]

The two pitches in this series vs AUS were anything but Flat ... wait till he tours Ind,SL and UAE before declaring that pace isnt everythng .

The pitch in the first match was flat. And, he averages 23 in UAE.

 

[soso_killer]

A lot depends on the pitch, if he bowls in Ind or the UAE he would be distinctively average.

averages 23 in India and 19 in the UAE.

 

[Protea Fan]

Vernon was a good bowler indeed but his perfo's generally depends upon pitch quality,yea he was deadly in those seaming conditions more than any present bolwers

But right now i don't see him bowling some lethal spells consistently in dead wickets at the start of his carrier may be

 

[soso_killer]

The two pitches in this series vs AUS were anything but Flat ... wait till he tours Ind,SL and UAE before declaring that pace isnt everythng .

they weren't juicy decks either.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Lol what road? Have you seen the pitch?

 

[soso_killer]

Vernon was a good bowler indeed but his perfo's generally depends upon pitch quality,yea he was deadly in those seaming conditions more than any present bolwers

But right now i don't see him bowling some lethal spells consistently in dead wickets at the start of his carrier may be

like who? Even McGrath doesn't have lethal spells on dead wickets. Has 1 5-for in Asia.

Was mediocre against the best opposition of his era in his own conditions striking at 70 per hundred balls.
Which bowler is perfect?

Vern has an awesome record in Australia

 

[Tusker]

The pitch in the first match was flat. And, he averages 23 in UAE.

Flattened out by the time 2nd inngs came around and predictably he got only one wkt.

 

[FreakCricket]

2ns test pitch would make ishant sharma deadly too

 

[Protea Fan]

like who? Even McGrath doesn't have lethal spells on dead wickets. Has 1 5-for in Asia.

Was mediocre against the best opposition of his era in his own conditions striking at 70 per hundred balls.
Which bowler is perfect?

Vern has an awesome record in Australia

You comparing a guy played 30 odd test to mcgrath?

Veron is good but i didn't see anything exceptional in him infact his record has been drastically droped down as his carrier progresses.......If am right he avg's around 15-16 in his first 15th test n now it reaches close to 25

 

[Jan Sher]

like who? Even McGrath doesn't have lethal spells on dead wickets. Has 1 5-for in Asia.

Was mediocre against the best opposition of his era in his own conditions striking at 70 per hundred balls.
Which bowler is perfect?

Vern has an awesome record in Australia

Did you forget McGrath's record in UAE?

 

[Jan Sher]

Lol what road? Have you seen the pitch?

Did you see the pitch in the first Test?

 

[Adijazz1706]

Did you forget McGrath's record in UAE?

A couple of Tests against a rookie Pak team don't prove anything. 1 5-er in Asia isn't the stuff of legends.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">6-42 for Vernon Philander - his best ever bowling figures in Test cricket. Shows you don't have to bowl 140kph or more to take wickets <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SAvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SAvIND</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/950381123871395846?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[troodon]

Philander is an ATG when bowling in helpful conditions. His accuracy is what gets him wickets eventhough he bowls between 123-130 k's.

I still want someone like Akhtar over Philander when playing in subcontinent or UAE. Trundlers will get murdered in Asia.

 

[Savak]

James Anderson of South Africa.

 

[bujhee kom]

Class bowler.

 

[TeymurBlake]

A very good swing bowler and a very good test bowler.

 

[Justcrazy]

He needs some help from Pitch . If he gets little bit help also , he can thrive.

 

[Outswinger]

James Anderson of South Africa.

Yes thats why Jimmy averages 27 and Vern 21. Makes sense.

 

[Rana]

Hes much quicker than what the speed gun suggests. Its bizarre but I think his action and lateral movement play a much bigger role in making him deadlier than the average trundler who bowls 130kmh

 

[Protea Fan]

Yes thats why Jimmy averages 27 and Vern 21. Makes sense.

Its not fair to compare a bowler who played 135 test to another who barely played below 50 matches,doesn't make any sense actually

Being a fast bowler anderson's longevity is unreal

 

[soso_killer]

Did you forget McGrath's record in UAE?

What's so special?
My point remains, McGrath like Philander was running through lineups in Asia. He has one 5-for.
Warne and Gillespie helped too.

 

[soso_killer]

You comparing a guy played 30 odd test to mcgrath?

Veron is good but i didn't see anything exceptional in him infact his record has been drastically droped down as his carrier progresses.......If am right he avg's around 15-16 in his first 15th test n now it reaches close to 25

Averages 25 away. If that's not impressive I don't know what is.

 

[soso_killer]

Its not fair to compare a bowler who played 135 test to another who barely played below 50 matches,doesn't make any sense actually

Being a fast bowler anderson's longevity is unreal

In "easy" bowling conditions Jimmy averages 35+ in each country.
What makes him better?

 

[Chrish]

He couldn’t have asked for the better conditions to bowl on. He is no McGrath but there is no surprise what he can do when there is any movement in the deck.

 

[Chrish]

Faf has demanded slow seaming decks for the series against Australia. Would be awesome if the curators comply.

 

[soso_killer]

He couldn’t have asked for the better conditions to bowl on. He is no McGrath but there is no surprise what he can do when there is any movement in the deck.

Exactly, he's no McGrath. He doesn't have to be as good as him to be recognised as a very good bowler though.
Similarly pending the retirement of Messi and Ronaldo world football will be left with "average" players if we take them as a criteria.

There's a reason great players are remembered as Greats. It's not fair on the current generation to be beaten with the same stick over and over. There will never be another McGrath, the sooner we realise that the better.

 

[soso_killer]

Faf has demanded slow seaming decks for the series against Australia. Would be awesome if the curators comply.

They could backfire though and be simply roads. We're not going to beat Australia on those.
I'd simply make our pitches damp and leave grass. Slow on day one, quick on day two.

We've got three coastal games Durban, PE and Cape Town. There won't be exaggerated bounce which the Aussies like in the coast. But Australia always manage to win over here, lol.

 

[RagingJ]

Don't understand why this guy is underrated. His stats home and away for a bowler are mighty impressive and he's okay with the bat too.

He has ATG bowling stats, and has been great in his Test career so far. I think he will go down as a Test ATG if he continues the way he is.

Seems like he needs a few more "5 fors" away to be seen as a great bowler to some.