[VID] Double standards or right decision? Shaheen & Siraj throwing the ball and hitting the batters

[MenInG]

[VID] Double standards or right decision? Shaheen & Siraj throwing the ball and hitting the batters

Now Siraj does it.

Am hoping ICC will come down hard on him in same way they did with Shaheen

Can someone explain how Siraj has not been sanctioned for throwing the ball at Bavuma?

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[MenInG]

Can someone explain how Siraj has not been sanctioned for throwing the ball at Bavuma?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Inconsistency by match officials in cricket continues:<br><br>Shaheen Shah Afridi throws the ball and hits the batter - 15% fine & 1 demerit point<br><br>Mohammed Siraj throws the ball and hits the batter - no punishment at all<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/qLp50faTqF">pic.twitter.com/qLp50faTqF</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1477216963080429570?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 1, 2022</a></blockquote>
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[Zaz]

Can someone explain how Siraj has not been sanctioned for throwing the ball at Bavuma?

The ICC is full of double standards MenInG whe it comes to the big 3 I think yoi knew this result was very likely

 

[HitWicket]

Isn't the obvious difference here that Bavuma was actually out of his crease when Siraj released the ball whilst Afif wasn't when Afridi released the ball?

 

[MenInG]

Isn't the obvious difference here that Bavuma was actually out of his crease when Siraj released the ball whilst Afif wasn't when Afridi released the ball?

The fact is that Siraj did not have enough time to assess how far he was, Shaheen also did it instinctively. In both cases it was clear that there is no way to hit the stumps without endangering the batsman.

 

[HitWicket]

The fact is that Siraj did not have enough time to assess how far he was,

Eh? There was more than enough time there for Siraj to process the fact that Bavuma was out of his crease.

Shaheen also did it instinctively.

If someone's unnecessarily (which it was given the batsman was in his crease) throwing the ball in people's direction instinctively then perhaps a punishment is needed because that lack of self control is unnecessarily dangerous.

In both cases it was clear that there is no way to hit the stumps without endangering the batsman.

Bowlers bowl the ball all day with the risk of endangering the batsman. In this case there was every chance of Bavuma moving out the way of the throw resulting in a run out.

 

[MenInG]

Eh? There was more than enough time there for Siraj to process the fact that Bavuma was out of his crease.



If someone's unnecessarily (which it was given the batsman was in his crease) throwing the ball in people's direction instinctively then perhaps a punishment is needed because that lack of self control is unnecessarily dangerous.



Bowlers bowl the ball all day with the risk of endangering the batsman. In this case there was every chance of Bavuma moving out the way of the throw resulting in a run out.

Ok so that makes its even worse. He took aim and hit the batsman?

Shaheen didnt stop, aim the ball and throw it at the batsman, he did it instinctively assuming the batter was out of his crease when he should have thought about it a bit more - for which he was punished.

Siraj needs to be reprimanded as well.

You may need to check Sunil Gavaskar's comment about this in case you are looking for a validation from a non-Pakistani source.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...incident-during-1st-test-101640970635127.html

 

[HitWicket]

Ok so that makes its even worse. He took aim and hit the batsman?

Shaheen didnt stop, aim the ball and throw it at the batsman, he did it instinctively assuming the batter was out of his crease when he should have thought about it a bit more - for which he was punished.

Siraj needs to be reprimanded as well.

You may need to check Sunil Gavaskar's comment about this in case you are looking for a validation from a non-Pakistani source.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...incident-during-1st-test-101640970635127.html

I don't agree with Gavaskar. His claim that "But if there was an attempt to run, it would have been understandable." is bizarre if anything. The batsman was out of his crease, does he disagree with keepers attempting stumpings because the batsmen weren't attempting a run?

As far as I see it the situations are the same except Siraj had a chance of taking a wicket and Afridi did not, which is a pretty crucial difference.

 

[Saj]

I don't see too much difference in both incidents.

If one was going to get fined then the other should have been fined too.

It's an area of the game that worries me. I can see why bowlers do this if a batter is clearly out of the crease, but too often they throw the ball when the batter is clearly in the crease.

 

[sweep_shot]

Any bowler who does this should be penalized.

Siraj should be penalized too.

 

[Sidilicious]

The fact is that Siraj did not have enough time to assess how far he was, Shaheen also did it instinctively. In both cases it was clear that there is no way to hit the stumps without endangering the batsman.

Even though I do not agree with what Siraj did, but it cant be equated to what Shaheen's actions. Shaheen threw the ball when batsmen was still in the crease, so there was no chance of a run out. On the other hand, Siraj threw the ball when the bastman was out of the crease making him a candidate for run out.

Also, we cant establish categorically whether either Siraj or Shaheen had enough time to anticipate whether the batsmen were int he crease or not. However, it can be clearly established that one batsman was out of the crease and one wasn't. If a batsman is out of the crease, then he/she is clearly a candidate for a run out. And if we start reprimanding such cases, then it would create further questions.
So, even if the match officials wanted to reprimand Siraj, they do not have the laws of cricket on their side.

As I said earlier, I do not think Siraj should have thrown the ball. It was OTT. But he didn't break any laws of the game.

 

[MenInG]

Even though I do not agree with what Siraj did, but it cant be equated to what Shaheen's actions. Shaheen threw the ball when batsmen was still in the crease, so there was no chance of a run out. On the other hand, Siraj threw the ball when the bastman was out of the crease making him a candidate for run out.

Also, we cant establish categorically whether either Siraj or Shaheen had enough time to anticipate whether the batsmen were int he crease or not. However, it can be clearly established that one batsman was out of the crease and one wasn't. If a batsman is out of the crease, then he/she is clearly a candidate for a run out. And if we start reprimanding such cases, then it would create further questions.
So, even if the match officials wanted to reprimand Siraj, they do not have the laws of cricket on their side.

As I said earlier, I do not think Siraj should have thrown the ball. It was OTT. But he didn't break any laws of the game.

Siraj broke the same law that Shaheen did - whatever it was - see the video in Post#1 - how far was Bavuma? he was pretty much in his crease and covering the stumps - anyone knows that the ball will hit the batsman.

 

[MenInG]

Glad to see that Indian 'keeper found some amusement in this:

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The incident happened in the 62nd over of the South African second innings when Mohammed Siraj in his attempt to run Bavuma out threw the ball straight at him that had hit the South African batter in the ankle. Bavuma went down after some time and had to be attended by the physio of the team. Pant, who was observing all this behind the stumps was caught on stump mic saying, ‘itna bhi zor se nahi lga tha ,mauka milgya isko baithne ka. (The impact of the blow wasn’t that much, just gave him a reason to sit for some time.’

https://www.india.com/sports/india-...ump-mic-will-make-you-laugh-out-loud-5163996/

 

[HitWicket]

Siraj broke the same law that Shaheen did

No, he didn't. Shaheen was punished because there was no chance of a run out yet he threw the ball anyway. The rule he broke specifically excludes throwing the ball at the stumps in an attempt at a run out. There was 0% chance for a run out in Shaheen's case, there was a chance in Siraj's case.

- whatever it was - see the video in Post#1 - how far was Bavuma? he was pretty much in his crease and covering the stumps - anyone knows that the ball will hit the batsman.

Yet he was still outside his crease when the ball actually hit him. All it would've taken is Bavuma to take a slight step to the side whilst trying to avoid the throw and the ball could have hit the stumps and run him out.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Wasn't a great sight. But i think Siraj probably got away because he could say it was an attempted run out given that Bavuma was outside the crease for a fraction of a second. In Shaheen Afridi's case he didn't leave . That is the first thing. Second thing is Shaheen turned around and threw at the batsman blindly. You could clearly see it was more an expression of frustration than any genuine attempt to run a batsman out. On a technicality Siraj probably got away given that bowlers have full right to throw at the stumps if the batsman is outside the crease.

 

[Zaz]

Icc need to clamp down on this rubbish n start banning players who do this

Theres no attempt at a run in both scenarios Siraj shouldve been fined

One day a batters gonna get seriously hurt

 

[Devadwal]

The ICC is full of double standards MenInG whe it comes to the big 3 I think yoi knew this result was very likely

ICC = BCCI yea right? But same ICC fines 20% match fees of every india team players for slow over rate but yes iCC= BCCI

Siraj hit the ball on ground for a run out that's why he hit on boots where Shaheen case was different .i don't know why people forget what happened on previous ball on Afridi case .let me remind some - Shaheen Gets hit for a 6 on previous ball and then he loses his control next ball and intentionally hit the batsman even without looking at him .

 

[Devadwal]

Wasn't a great sight. But i think Siraj probably got away because he could say it was an attempted run out given that Bavuma was outside the crease for a fraction of a second. In Shaheen Afridi's case he didn't leave . That is the first thing. Second thing is Shaheen turned around and threw at the batsman blindly. You could clearly see it was more an expression of frustration than any genuine attempt to run a batsman out. On a technicality Siraj probably got away given that bowlers have full right to throw at the stumps if the batsman is outside the crease.

Yes im really surprised some well known people here don't find any different on both case .

 

[Zaz]

ICC = BCCI yea right? But same ICC fines 20% match fees of every india team players for slow over rate but yes iCC= BCCI

Siraj hit the ball on ground for a run out that's why he hit on boots where Shaheen case was different .i don't know why people forget what happened on previous ball on Afridi case .let me remind some - Shaheen Gets hit for a 6 on previous ball and then he loses his control next ball and intentionally hit the batsman even without looking at him .

The bowler shouldnt be throwing the ball full stop unless the batter is going for a run and the stumps are clearly visible with the batsman out of the way

I agree shaheens is more wrong and he was rightly fined but no bowler should be throwing at the batsman like that

 

[Devadwal]

The bowler shouldnt be throwing the ball full stop unless the batter is going for a run and the stumps are clearly visible with the batsman out of the way

I agree shaheens is more wrong and he was rightly fined but no bowler should be throwing at the batsman like that

When batsman was outside at crease bowlers can throw the ball at stumps but not on body( like upper part)

 

[jnaveen1980]

Most famous was Inzi getting run out. If i remember right Inzi was inside the crease when the throw was attempted. But in the act of evading he left the crease and got run out.

 

[Devadwal]

Most famous was Inzi getting run out. If i remember right Inzi was inside the crease when the throw was attempted. But in the act of evading he left the crease and got run out.

No he was outside the crease and when Raina throw the ball on stumps, inzi just played perfect defencive shots

 

[Zaz]

When batsman was outside at crease bowlers can throw the ball at stumps but not on body( like upper part)

Bavuma was stood directly in line with the stumps The ball was never gonna hit the wickets and was always gonna hit him

It was a pointless throw and the only thing it was gonna cause was an injury to bavuma

 

[HitWicket]

Bavuma was stood directly in line with the stumps The ball was never gonna hit the wickets and was always gonna hit him

It was a pointless throw and the only thing it was gonna cause was an injury to bavuma

All it would've taken was a small step to the side by Bavuma whilst trying to avoid the ball. Siraj took a throw at the stumps attempting a run out therefore he is fine by the players code of conduct.

 

[jnaveen1980]

No he was outside the crease and when Raina throw the ball on stumps, inzi just played perfect defencive shots

I don't think that was not the incident i am referring to. This was against England i think.

 

[Devadwal]

Bavuma was stood directly in line with the stumps The ball was never gonna hit the wickets and was always gonna hit him

It was a pointless throw and the only thing it was gonna cause was an injury to bavuma

Yes i can totally understand what you saying ,here ICC need to take any steps to avoid any serious injury of players becouse if the batsman stand outside at crease then bowlers have right to throw for a runs out.

 

[HitWicket]

I don't think that was not the incident i am referring to. This was against England i think.

You're right, it was Steve Harmison bowling. He shouldn't actually have been out though, the third umpire just didn't know the law properly.

 

[Saj]

Maybe the rule needs to state that a bowler can throw the ball towards the stumps if the batter is attempting a run. If he isn't attempting a run, then the bowler should not be allowed to throw the ball towards the striker's stumps.

 

[Bewal Express]

No he was outside the crease and when Raina throw the ball on stumps, inzi just played perfect defencive shots

It's the Harmison incident in 2005 that he is talking about

 

[Bewal Express]

Shoaib Akhtar was banned for swearing at Kallis, which was fair enough but had that rule been applied and not Just PKs then the likes of Mcgrath, Hughes and Warne wouldn't have ever played another test.

 

[Sherlock]

It's funny seeing posters say he was out of his crease judging by the clip above

 

[ElRaja]

obvious run out chance given the ball would magically teleport through bavuma and hit the stumps, and poor form by bavuma for obstructing the run out by not reacting in the ample time he had, given siraj only threw the ball straight at him from half way down the pitch.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

IMHO siraj sometimes goes over the top with the aggro, i wish he'd tone down.
But in this case the batsman was outside the crease, and siraj attempted to run him out.
In SSA' case the batsmen was not outside.
For the whole 'its all the big 3's fault' that our team/players are in whatever ranking on whatever ranking tables ever invented and the whole BCCI=ICC gravy train, look at the WTC schedule that India has, its one of the toughest going around.
But no, No one will comment on that.
Also, in case people did'nt notice - India was docked 1 point for slow over rate, being slow on the take by ONE over. Potentially, india might not get to play the WTC finals.
But the same Big 3 is the reason we are where we are will not be saying anything.
It just is not a convenient narrative to hide your shortcomings and faults.
Its always everyones fault but ours.

 

[kumjsr]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Inconsistency by match officials in cricket continues:<br><br>Shaheen Shah Afridi throws the ball and hits the batter - 15% fine & 1 demerit point<br><br>Mohammed Siraj throws the ball and hits the batter - no punishment at all<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/qLp50faTqF">pic.twitter.com/qLp50faTqF</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1477216963080429570?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 1, 2022</a></blockquote>
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There is certainly inconsistency while applying this rule.

1. Jamieson threw ball in direction of Fahim Ashraf didn't hit him, 25% fine and 1 demerit point.

2. Jadeja threw ball in direction of batsman Dimuth Karunaratne, ball missed the batsman. Jadeja was fined 50% of match fee and 3 demerit points.


If ICC was applying same standards every time, then Jadeja and Jamieson wouldn't have been punished heavily for incident where they probably missed the batsman.

Shaheen was let off very lightly if you compare his punishment with these two instances.

 

[Yk313]

Maybe the rule needs to state that a bowler can throw the ball towards the stumps if the batter is attempting a run. If he isn't attempting a run, then the bowler should not be allowed to throw the ball towards the striker's stumps.

Part of the rule is already in place, right? From as long as I can remember the rule is that a batsman can only be runout if deemed to be attempting a run.

In modern times, the Inzamam / Harmison decision comes to mind where the third umpire gave an incorrect decision which was later deliberated for a long time on air by the commentators quoting the rule.

Personally, not a fan of adding unnecessary risk of injury to the sport. One of these throws could slip and get out of hand. I believe another example from modern times was of Broad and Zulqarnain. If I am not mistaken, Zulqarnain got injured too..? Shaheen’s stupidity does not look overly flattering neither. In any case, there is an injury waiting to happen with this approach and it could even be serious if the ball hits a batsman in the groin, neck or head area.

 

[Saj]

Shaheen was let off very lightly if you compare his punishment with these two instances.

And Siraj was let off completely.

 

[MenInG]

And Siraj was let off completely.

Here is how it was spun for Siraj




Contrast with the moral outrage at Shaheen

 

[Saurav]

Both incidents were avoidable.

But context matters.Shaheen was hit for a six previous ball and just threw the ball in anger with intent to injure. Only later he realised his folly and apologised.

Siraj saw Bavuma got out of the stumps and threw at stumps. Even Bavuma was okay with it.

 

[MenInG]

Both incidents were avoidable.

But context matters.Shaheen was hit for a six previous ball and just threw the ball in anger with intent to injure. Only later he realised his folly and apologised.

Siraj saw Bavuma got out of the stumps and threw at stumps. Even Bavuma was okay with it.

Bavuma was limping

I understand the need to defend an Indian bowler but this is ridiculous.

 

[kumjsr]

Maybe the rule needs to state that a bowler can throw the ball towards the stumps if the batter is attempting a run. If he isn't attempting a run, then the bowler should not be allowed to throw the ball towards the striker's stumps.

What if batsman stepped down, played the shot and didn't try to take run, rather fielder found batsman outside crease. Fielder shouldn't be allowed to dismiss the batsman?

Right now fielder is allowed to attempt to run out the batsman if he is outside crease irrespective of reason as long as the ball is in play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpnjP3hFfYQ

Similarly there have been dismissals by close in fielders when batsman just stepped out to play the shot.

 

[kumjsr]

The ICC is full of double standards MenInG whe it comes to the big 3 I think yoi knew this result was very likely

ICC = BCCI yea right? But same ICC fines 20% match fees of every india team players for slow over rate but yes iCC= BCCI

Siraj hit the ball on ground for a run out that's why he hit on boots where Shaheen case was different .i don't know why people forget what happened on previous ball on Afridi case .let me remind some - Shaheen Gets hit for a 6 on previous ball and then he loses his control next ball and intentionally hit the batsman even without looking at him .

And Siraj was let off completely.

And that's why such suggestions of ICC letting off Siraj just because player is contracted to BCCI is absurd.

There was no incosistency tweet or such questions when Shaheen was deemed to be let off lightly in comparison to previous incidents involving Jadeja and Jamieson when ball didn't even hit the batsman and their punishment was much severe.

 

[Saj]

There was no incosistency tweet or such questions when Shaheen was deemed to be let off lightly in comparison to previous incidents involving Jadeja and Jamieson when ball didn't even hit the batsman and their punishment was much severe.

That's the whole point, the punishment needs to be the same.

Either make it a free for all and see someone badly injured or fine and punish the players consistently.

 

[ARK Rafay]

How does ICC fine a player's match fee? Is the control and responsibility given to the respective boards to deduct the match fees and then report to ICC?

 

[Smbhayi]

Maybe the rule needs to state that a bowler can throw the ball towards the stumps if the batter is attempting a run. If he isn't attempting a run, then the bowler should not be allowed to throw the ball towards the striker's stumps.

Lol what? If a batsman step out and hit back to bowler shouldn't bowler take advantage of that?

 

[Smbhayi]

obvious run out chance given the ball would magically teleport through bavuma and hit the stumps, and poor form by bavuma for obstructing the run out by not reacting in the ample time he had, given siraj only threw the ball straight at him from half way down the pitch.

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Check out Stokes out vs Australia, i guess he has ample time to react that's why he's given out (and it wouldn't have hit the stump even if the ball magically teleport through Stokes)..

 

[ElRaja]

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Check out Stokes out vs Australia, i guess he has ample time to react that's why he's given out (and it wouldn't have hit the stump even if the ball magically teleport through Stokes)..

stokes should never have been given out, umpires really need to use their brains in these kinda situations. hurling a cricket ball at full pelt at a batsmen from half way down the pitch and not expecting them to react from reflexes is just stupid.

37.2 Not out Obstructing the field

A batter shall not be out Obstructing the field if

obstruction or distraction is accidental,

or obstruction is in order to avoid injury,

 

[Saj]

Lol what? If a batsman step out and hit back to bowler shouldn't bowler take advantage of that?

Read what I wrote - if attempting a run.

 

[MenInG]

Read what I wrote - if attempting a run.

Exactly - Bavuma was clearly not doing that.

By the way, people seem to be forgetting that Siraj for all his skills is being groomed & praised as an aggressive bowler - and from the looks of it, all this behaviour is part and parcel of that persona.

He needs to be told that this behaviour is not correct and if it takes ICC to do that with a fine/reprimand - so be it.

 

[Golden arm]

Wasn't a great sight. But i think Siraj probably got away because he could say it was an attempted run out given that Bavuma was outside the crease for a fraction of a second. In Shaheen Afridi's case he didn't leave . That is the first thing. Second thing is Shaheen turned around and threw at the batsman blindly. You could clearly see it was more an expression of frustration than any genuine attempt to run a batsman out. On a technicality Siraj probably got away given that bowlers have full right to throw at the stumps if the batsman is outside the crease.

Any one who is trying to defend this or other incident is making himself look foolish and utterly biased !!!

 

[HitWicket]

Read what I wrote - if attempting a run.

Do you want stumpings banned too? If a batsman is outside his crease with no good reason (the only one I can think of off the top of my head being that they left their crease to avoid getting injured) it should be fair game. If this was a deflection played to a close in fielder who had the presence of mind to quickly have a throw at the stumps (even though the batsman wasn't attempting a run) we wouldn't even be questioning it.

 

[MenInG]

Do you want stumpings banned too? If a batsman is outside his crease with no good reason (the only one I can think of off the top of my head being that they left their crease to avoid getting injured) it should be fair game. If this was a deflection played to a close in fielder who had the presence of mind to quickly have a throw at the stumps (even though the batsman wasn't attempting a run) we wouldn't even be questioning it.

You are now arguing for the sake of it.

You need to see the replay and understand the intention of the batsman was not to take a run as there was none.

A deflection by a fielder to the stumps is not life threatening - throwing a ball at full strength at a batsman's body is a different issue.

 

[HitWicket]

You are now arguing for the sake of it.

You need to see the replay and understand the intention of the batsman was not to take a run as there was none.

A deflection by a fielder to the stumps is not life threatening - throwing a ball at full strength at a batsman's body is a different issue.

Bowling a rock hard leather ball at someone's body at 90mph can be life threatening, we still do it because that's part of the sport. A batsman generally bats out of his crease/gets as far forward as possible because that gives them an advantage. If they want to take that advantage it has to be balanced with (and they should be aware of) the risk of getting run out or stumped. Just like many other actions in cricket that will occasionally carry the risk of injury. The batsman is free to move out the way or use their padding or bat to avoid that injury.

 

[Sidilicious]

You are now arguing for the sake of it.

You need to see the replay and understand the intention of the batsman was not to take a run as there was none.

A deflection by a fielder to the stumps is not life threatening - throwing a ball at full strength at a batsman's body is a different issue.

As things stand, only throwing if a batsman is attempting a run is allowed in the rule book. So you can’t punish a bowler if he throws the ball as long as the batsman is out of the crease. You can’t punish Siraj for doing something which is not prohibited.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Batsmen have enough protection. If a bowler is throwing it back and it's directed at stumps, then it's fair game. Batsmen are allowed to take evasive action to protect themselves even if outside the crease aren't they? Stokes and Inzamam clearly obstructed the throw which wasn't even going to harm them. So they were out.

Rather than asking for Siraj to be punished. Maybe question why Shaheen was punished?

Spirit of cricket #$ shouldn't just apply to bowlers. Batsmen need to stay in their crease at both ends unless they're attempting to run. Which is why I hated it when Dhoni let off Bell. Spirit of cricket don't win you games/series.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

As a bowler you dream of pulling this off
Not my words, blackcaps official Twitter words.
Same situation happened some days back, batsman went on the front foot to defend and went out of crease, then bowler picked up the ball and threw back and got batsman run out, the only difference was that bowler was left armer so he managed to hit the stump.
In this case Siraj chance to hit the stump was low as he was over the wicket.
But his intention was always to hit stump that is why batsman was hit on the foot, so may be this saved the Siraj

 

[Smbhayi]

Read what I wrote - if attempting a run.

You didn't understand what I'm saying.. if batsman step out, that means he leaves the crease, shouldn't bowler take the advantage of it? It doesn't matter he's attempting to run or not..

 

[Smbhayi]

Stokes and Inzamam clearly obstructed the throw which wasn't even going to harm them.

Stokes didn't.. it's a simple reaction.. he had no time to think anything in real time, in slo-mo you may think it's deliberate..

 

[Napa]

No, he didn't. Shaheen was punished because there was no chance of a run out yet he threw the ball anyway. The rule he broke specifically excludes throwing the ball at the stumps in an attempt at a run out. There was 0% chance for a run out in Shaheen's case, there was a chance in Siraj's case.



Yet he was still outside his crease when the ball actually hit him. All it would've taken is Bavuma to take a slight step to the side whilst trying to avoid the throw and the ball could have hit the stumps and run him out.

The following is a screenshot just before Bavuma was hit. It doesn't seem he is out of the crease.

 

[Saj]

The following is a screenshot just before Bavuma was hit. It doesn't seem he is out of the crease.

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Exactly.

In any case, he was hardly charging down the track trying to sneak a run.

 

[HitWicket]

The following is a screenshot just before Bavuma was hit. It doesn't seem he is out of the crease.

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His left foot isn't in the crease and you can see a gap between his right foot and his shadow showing that it's not grounded.

 

[Napa]

His left foot isn't in the crease and you can see a gap between his right foot and his shadow showing that it's not grounded.

I see it differently but we can agree to disagree as it is not always possible to make out from a 2D picture.

Just curious, have you ever seen a batsman getting run out in similar circumstances? That is a batsman plays a shot which brings him out of the crease, but doesn't show any intention of taking a run as he can clearly see the ball is being fielded, yet the bowler is so fast that he is able to throw the stumps down before the batsman regains his crease?

A sort of stumping by the bowler, with the batsman out of his crease due to the shot he has played? I have never seen it happen. I think this just is silly aggression by the bowler, which no doubt happens in club level cricket but should absolutely not happen in international cricket.

 

[Napa]

His left foot isn't in the crease and you can see a gap between his right foot and his shadow showing that it's not grounded.

You can also see that the ball is in the air, around 3 feet above the ground and it is still a few fractions of a second from reaching Bavuma (it struck him on his ankle).

As a bowler you dream of pulling this off
Not my words, blackcaps official Twitter words.
Same situation happened some days back, batsman went on the front foot to defend and went out of crease, then bowler picked up the ball and threw back and got batsman run out, the only difference was that bowler was left armer so he managed to hit the stump.

Who were the batsman and the bowler? Maybe the batsman fell forward.

In this case Siraj chance to hit the stump was low as he was over the wicket.
But his intention was always to hit stump that is why batsman was hit on the foot, so may be this saved the Siraj

I don't think Siraj had any chance of hitting the stumps. Bavuma is pretty much covering the stumps without having moved to obstruct the bowler. The bowler should not expect the batsman will step aside to let the ball hit the stumps (even assuming that Bavuma was really out of his crease).

 

[HitWicket]

I see it differently but we can agree to disagree as it is not always possible to make out from a 2D picture.

Just curious, have you ever seen a batsman getting run out in similar circumstances? That is a batsman plays a shot which brings him out of the crease, but doesn't show any intention of taking a run as he can clearly see the ball is being fielded, yet the bowler is so fast that he is able to throw the stumps down before the batsman regains his crease?

A sort of stumping by the bowler, with the batsman out of his crease due to the shot he has played? I have never seen it happen. I think this just is silly aggression by the bowler, which no doubt happens in club level cricket but should absolutely not happen in international cricket.

Seen it a few times, the best example I can find at the moment (which was referred to above) is here: https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket...entral-stags-seamer-ben-wheelers-freak-runout. Also seen other dismissals where a close in fielder quickly chucks the ball at the stumps after a batsman has charged down the wicket to play a shot that others in this thread would like to disallow because the batsman wasn't attempting to take a run.

 

[Napa]

Seen it a few times, the best example I can find at the moment (which was referred to above) is here: https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket...entral-stags-seamer-ben-wheelers-freak-runout. Also seen other dismissals where a close in fielder quickly chucks the ball at the stumps after a batsman has charged down the wicket to play a shot that others in this thread would like to disallow because the batsman wasn't attempting to take a run.

If you read the article you linked to, it says "Wellington batter Nick Greenwood was holding the pose, admiring his shot, but forgot he was out of his crease." Watch the video and the batsman is just standing outside his crease, while the ball has gone far enough to his left for the bowler to be able to throw down the wickets. I timed the time elapsed between the batsman hitting the shot and the bowler throwing it, it is about 2.5 seconds, whereas the batsman needs about 1 seconds to regain his crease. So this is negligence by the batsman which the bowler took advantage of while having a clear view of the stumps.

Bavuma played the ball straight back to the bowler who instantly threw it towards him even though he was almost completely covering the wickets. Siraj's starts his throw was about 0.5 second after Bavuma's shot, no negligence on the part of Bavuma.

Close in fielders have a clear view of the stumps, which a bowler doesn't when the ball is played straight back to him.