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[VIDEO #135] "Some of our players heads were in the clouds at the start" : Mickey Arthur

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mickey Arthur "I'll take the blame for selecting Wahab Riaz" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvPAK?src=hash">#INDvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CT17?src=hash">#CT17</a> <a href="https://t.co/YJLNQqceaX">pic.twitter.com/YJLNQqceaX</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/871433084092239872">June 4, 2017</a></blockquote>
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"One team played really well today and we were below par"

"The worrying thing for me is that we do the basics wrong"

"Hafeez is fit to bowl and I cant answer that question (why he didnt bowl) as I don't know"

"Its a total insult to say we are doing worse than before"

"How long is a piece of string? We are trying every day (to change the brand of cricket)"

"We selected a team that we thought could go out there and rattle the cages of India"

"We just wanted another option and Wahab Riaz gave us pace"

"Azhar Ali and Mohammad Amir had cramps and we need to find out why that is happening"

"The magnitude of the occasion maybe got to the team"

"Lets get this clear, Wahab went through a fitness test and he was fully fit for the game"

"He performed poorly today, but he had a role to play but I will take the blame for that"


The Official ICC transcript :


Q. Total contrast in standard of play, teams were -- seemed that teams were playing at different levels, one wore number three and one wore number eight --

MICKEY ARTHUR:
I think you answered the question, exactly that. One team played really well today or played as well as they could have, and we were below par. As simple as that.

And it's a reality check of where we are in our One-Day cricket at the moment.


Q. The body language didn't look good out there. Is that a concern? It's something that you've mentioned in the past. And from bowl one pretty much some of the guys looked quite lacklustre, and there wasn't a lot of effort from some of them?

MICKEY ARTHUR:
I can never ever accuse of the guys of no effort. I think that's an insult, to be honest.

The guys tried as hard as they could. My issue is fear. My issue is getting out there and really looking to take the game on and just believing in themselves and believing that they can take the game on.

We talk about setting tone up front. We didn't set tone up front. We had a couple of guys that were in the clouds at the start. And that's sets tone. And we didn't do it we had a good chat when we came off of that first rain interruption, and then we were better afterwards.

But the worrying thing for me, and it has been for a period of time, is we just do the basics wrong. We do the simple things wrong. We dropped simple catches. We don't run well enough between wickets.

We don't hit the keeper with our throws. We don't understand when to bowl our variations. We bowled a really good over and then we bowled a variation our sixth ball and that's the ball that ended up going for a boundary.

So it's the simplicity of those things that are worrying me at the moment and our understanding of when to do certain things. So that was disappointing. But we'll bounce back from it.


Q. Is there any particular reason why Hafeez didn't bowl in the match? Is he fit to bowl?

MICKEY ARTHUR:
Yeah, he's fit to bowl. I'm not sure. Can't answer that one. But, yeah, he's fit to bowl.

Q. When you took over as coach last year you talked about Pakistan not playing like good enough cricket for modern day game. It's been a year, Pakistan are playing even worse. So what was your input in this?

MICKEY ARTHUR:
That's a total insult to say we're playing even worse. If you have a look at our records over the last year we've won two series. We've got ourselves from nine to number eight and brand of cricket has changed. We had a poor game today and we're obviously trying our best and we're trying to change it. And it's not going to happen overnight.

I'm, I said, I'm particularly disappointed, but to ask me that question is an insult to how hard these boys have trained and what those boys have done.


Q. How long will it take, do you think, for them to change their brand of cricket?

MICKEY ARTHUR:
How long is a piece of string? I don't know. We're trying every day. Every time we go down to training, we try and get the basics right. We didn't do it today. And that's disappointing.


Q. Sarfraz yesterday said that they'll do something out of the box. So what exactly was out of the box today?

MICKEY ARTHUR:
Well, we selected a team that we thought would give us options. We selected a team that we thought could go out there and rattle the cages of India.

Ultimately we -- our execution wasn't good enough today. But we thought -- and you can still get out of the box but there's nothing out of the box here. We opened with a left-arm spinner. That might be out of the box.

But in cricket it's a matter of taking wickets and scoring runs. There's not a hell of a lot you can do differently. All we can try do is give options and try variations and try and come with a plan to beat our opposition, which we thought we did. We thought we had an attack that could really attack them and put them under pressure. And we didn't execute that at all.


Q. Junaid Khan performed very well against India and he bowled pretty well in the practise match also. Was he fully fit, or he was not preferred over Wahab Riaz? What was the reason for that?

MICKEY ARTHUR:
Junaid Khan's fully fit. There's no question about that. We just wanted somebody different. We just wanted another option. Wahab Riaz gave us pace.

Junaid Khan, Hasan Ali, Amir -- all there and thereabouts in terms of their pace. We wanted someone who could give us a different option. And that's why we went that way.


Q. Pakistan was always known for their fighting brand of cricket. I mean, there are defeats and defeats, but do you think today's defeat like this will only take Pakistan cricket backwards?

MICKEY ARTHUR:
It will never take Pakistan cricket backwards. In fact something like this could take it forwards, for the simple reason that a lot of questions get answered. When we put our performance in like that we answer a lot of questions, and a lot of things become clearer for us in terms of how we take this team forward. So, yeah, disappointing.

The boys didn't go out there to perform like that. The boys have trained extremely hard. They've worked extremely hard over 12 days.

It's up to me and my coaching staff to find out why we didn't execute. Was it -- why were we so tentative? That's more the issues for me at the moment. So, yeah, it's disappointing, but we'll go back to the drawing boards and we'll hopefully come back a lot stronger.


Q. Waqar said that the problem lay in domestic cricket so they're not exactly at the standard required. Do you feel that's why the errors take place?

MICKEY ARTHUR:
No. I mean, I can't sit here and use that as an excuse. Absolutely not. We've had a long time with these players.

The errors under pressure are worrying. And we certainly can't blame that down on domestic cricket at all.


Q. Couple of things, do you think that some of your players were rattled by the size of the occasion, which maybe particularly showed up in the fielding? And Mohammed Amir, he had a cramp?

MICKEY ARTHUR:
Yup, he had a cramp. Yeah, Ali cramped as well. I don't know why they're cramping. That's something that I need to take up with the medical team. The magnitude of the occasion? Possibly. Possibly. And I think very definitely. Because for us to go and have our performance as tentative as that right from the start is a worry. And the only thing I can think of is the magnitude of the occasion got to them.


Q. When Amir left, Pakistan was still in the game. India had slowed down at that point. It was one of the brightest phases of the game for Pakistan. Do you think in that last eight or nine overs they took the game away?

MICKEY ARTHUR:
Yeah, they did. And that's our own fault because we had two opportunities. Hasan Ali dropped Yuvraj and Fahim Ashraf dropped Virat Kohli. You take those catches, it's a different game.

I thought at one stage we bowled well enough to be chasing 270. If things went our way and we hung onto those two catches and then knocked out another guy early on, or got Dhoni early on, it would have given us a real opportunity of knocking them over for 270 or chasing 270 possibly.

We'll never know. But we didn't take opportunities. And Yuvraj and Virat made us pay for it.


Q. Are you going to take the blame for this defeat? Or how you explain the selection of Wahab Riaz, especially he was not fully fit? He has a knee injury in practise match and he was not fully fit for this match?

MICKEY ARTHUR:
All right. Let's get something straight first off. Wahab Riaz was fully fit. He went through a fitness test; he was declared fully fit. So it's not that Wahab Riaz was fully fit. He was fit for the game. Okay? He performed poorly today. But he had a role to play.

And I'll take the blame, me, I'll take it. I selected him. I selected him because I wanted him to perform a role. Okay? He didn't execute that role, unfortunately. So sometimes it works out. Sometimes it doesn't.

We picked Shadab ahead of Fahim today. That worked well. I thought Shadab was understanding. So, sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't.

I've got to go back and look and have a look at our opposition, have a look at our team, have a look at where we're at in terms of our form, and then you select a team that you think can beat the opposition you play.

So, we'll do that. We'll go back again. We certainly are not going to -- we'll have a good, hard chat tonight. And then when we leave the dressing room tonight it will all be done, and we'll be thinking firmly of coming back and beating South Africa. Because that's what I think our players can do, and that's why I certainly believe our team can do.

So, we're going to be up for the fight, and I'd be really disappointed if we walked away, really, and for the rest of the tournament sort of hit our heads because we're better than that.
 
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LoL.CT is still not over.Not a very clever statement to make.Demoralizing own team.
 
Naming names when the tournament is still not over? Lame. No matter how bad he is. He should do this behind closed doors. Wahab did well in 2011 against India. May be some nostalgic reasons.
 
Atleast he put his hand up on the Wahab selection.
 
Shocking comments from the coach.. Naming and shaming players? I would sack him right now for this horrific comment.. Wahab can be garbage but as a coach you cannot blame him publically in middle of a tournament.. Disgraceful from mickey..
 
Naming names when the tournament is still not over? Lame. No matter how bad he is. He should do this behind closed doors. Wahab did well in 2011 against India. May be some nostalgic reasons.

Atleast he put his hand up on the Wahab selection.

Shocking comments from the coach.. Naming and shaming players? I would sack him right now for this horrific comment.. Wahab can be garbage but as a coach you cannot blame him publically in middle of a tournament.. Disgraceful from mickey..

Because Wahab was already injured before the game and bowling in this match killed his leg.
 
Wahab is probably ruled out of the tournament now anyway. He deserves this treatment. Atleast Mickey's taking responsibility for it. Let's see if Inzi holds his hand up and says he was wrong about a few of the selections with the squad.
 
Because Wahab was already injured before the game and bowling in this match killed his leg.



Why would you play an injured player when you have a better option (junaid) sitting on the bench? If he was injured he could have been sent home and Abbas or Sohail Khan should have been called.. Poor from PCB/team management and everyone involved..
 
Now please never select him again

I want mickey to be given a long run but he has to show more improvement
 
Because Wahab was already injured before the game and bowling in this match killed his leg.

Asides from the fact that aJunaid Khan took 4 wickets in the warmup
 
At least he is accepting responsibility.

And perhaps he's not naming/shaming anyone, just responding to questions thrown upon him about Wahab. What is he supposed to say instead? He's had a bad day, he'll bounce back?
 
Mickey has a point though. A lot of the Pakistani players probably thought that this game would be a walk in the park for them.

Compare that to the Indians who never underestimated the Pakistanis, no matter what their recent record, and planned for them from the start. Virat even said that he picked only one spinner as he thought the Pakistanis were good at playing spin. A true champion always respects his opponents and takes nothing for granted.

I find it unbelievable that even after losing the match, Sarfraz had the cheek to say that he had everything under control for 40 overs, at which time India had lost just two wickets and had 200+ runs on the board. Seriously man? What are you playing at?

Choosing correct talent apart, the one thing I feel the Pakistani management needs to do is to get its head between the shoulders, cut the attitude, and take other sides, particularly India, seriously. The days when Waqar, Wasim, Imran and Miandad were owning everyone are long gone.
 
Mickey has accepted the whole strategy was planned by him. It makes sense why Australia fired him.
 
Damn right he should criticise Wahab publicly. Seven bloody years of international cricket and still as wayward and inaccurate as ever.
 
Atleast he admits what mistakes he did in playing XI selection process, while we can never expect that from Inzamam.
 
That was the tournament which actually meant something , no one wants to see how our team does against sri lanka in a bilateral series. Thats the team you bring to champions trophy?
 
Where was your head when you picked Wahab, Shezad and Hafeez ?
 
99 % of the pp knew that wahab riaz is finished but you played him. I dont know how... One can be.
 
It was a poor strategy - playing Wahab in front of Junaid. Glad he publicly took ownership of this. Hopefully this should be the end of our most expensive overrated bowler who was as it is, undeserving to be in the team to begin with.

Wonder what will it take to get rid off Hafeez, Ahmad Shahzad and Azhar Ali from our limited overs cricket.
 
Mickey has a point though. A lot of the Pakistani players probably thought that this game would be a walk in the park for them.

Compare that to the Indians who never underestimated the Pakistanis, no matter what their recent record, and planned for them from the start. Virat even said that he picked only one spinner as he thought the Pakistanis were good at playing spin. A true champion always respects his opponents and takes nothing for granted.

I find it unbelievable that even after losing the match, Sarfraz had the cheek to say that he had everything under control for 40 overs, at which time India had lost just two wickets and had 200+ runs on the board. Seriously man? What are you playing at?

Choosing correct talent apart, the one thing I feel the Pakistani management needs to do is to get its head between the shoulders, cut the attitude, and take other sides, particularly India, seriously. The days when Waqar, Wasim, Imran and Miandad were owning everyone are long gone.

Some people claim we are too scared of India, now you are claiming we are too over-confident. I think it's more likely that we have got a mediocre squad of players to choose from, then our selectors and management make it worse by picking the proven losers from that lot.
 
Nothing wrong with the coach. Cricket aren't like football, a coach does not make the decisions on the matchday....

Players have to accept responsibility and close their big mouths
 
Read the quote in OP about Wahab again.
 
Youngstars like babar azam nd others are also not playing well. So why blame seniors only. Without them it could have been 70 for 10 wicket.
 
A coach should never speak like this. No wonder Australia sacked him.

Do it behind closed doors.
 
Yeah, we were going to rattle some Indian cages with Azhar Ali.
 
A coach should never speak like this. No wonder Australia sacked him.

Do it behind closed doors.

You have absolutely no idea what question was asked.

The question was : Why did Wahab play when he was not fully fit and why was he preferred over JK. Now read the quotes again.
 
Shocking comments from the coach.. Naming and shaming players? I would sack him right now for this horrific comment.. Wahab can be garbage but as a coach you cannot blame him publically in middle of a tournament.. Disgraceful from mickey..

Everyone asking the question, why Wahab was selected and why Hafeez did not bowl ? Nothing wrong with being open to the public.
 
He doesnt know why Hafeez wasnt bowled.
Sarfraz forgot about Hafeez? Hard to imagine or believe.

At least he owns up to his mistake bout Wahab.

In Pakistan you would just find excuses.
 
Everyone asking the question, why Wahab was selected and why Hafeez did not bowl ? Nothing wrong with being open to the public.


He said I take blame for selecting Wahab which implies he means Wahab doesn't deserve a place in the team.. A coach can never say that for any player in middle of an ongoing tournament.. It gives rise to the selfishness amongst players who play for themselves for the fear of getting dropped and results in defeats such as today..

A professional coach should have talked to Wahab and tried to improve on his deficiencies and silently without publically criticised him sidelined him for the next match..
 
Lol wat a contrast the pre match conference was and wat the post match conference is.

On one hand he says coach and captain relationship is like husband and wife and on the other hand he says I can't say why Hafeez did not bowl. So of he doesn't know why he did not bowl that means he expected Hafeez would bowl. The fact he didn't shows a massive gap in planning or miscommunication. I frankly think Sarfraz has no idea what Mickey says after listening to this.
 
Junaid is worse than Wahab and thats saying something. Our bowling bar 10 overs from Shadab and a few overs from Amir and Hasan was pathetic, lacking both agression and accuracy. The best thing to happen is that its finished Wahab forever(or at least another until people forget how terrible he is) and i just wished JK played today and we could have finished him aswell.
 
Naming names when the tournament is still not over? Lame. No matter how bad he is. He should do this behind closed doors. Wahab did well in 2011 against India. May be some nostalgic reasons.

He was asked a question so he told them, I think its high time players are told if they did badly, they need a reality check
 
Wow. If it is true, it's not the sort of thing i'd be admitting publicly since its essentially a coach's job to make sure the players know what they are there to do. Arthur will be gone soon, methinks.
 
Junaid is worse than Wahab and thats saying something. Our bowling bar 10 overs from Shadab and a few overs from Amir and Hasan was pathetic, lacking both agression and accuracy. The best thing to happen is that its finished Wahab forever(or at least another until people forget how terrible he is) and i just wished JK played today and we could have finished him aswell.

Most sensible fans said before the game that both Wahab and Junaid were going to fail. Junaid can sometimes pick up wickets with the new ball, otherwise he is also a weak bowler after the shine has gone. Sohail Khan has performed better than both every time but he's obviously clashed with the management and been left out. I don't know why Fahim wasn't considered after his decent performance in the test matches recently. He should have been ahead of proven losers.
 
Junaid is worse than Wahab and thats saying something. Our bowling bar 10 overs from Shadab and a few overs from Amir and Hasan was pathetic, lacking both agression and accuracy. The best thing to happen is that its finished Wahab forever(or at least another until people forget how terrible he is) and i just wished JK played today and we could have finished him aswell.

Yes, a guy gets 4 wickets in the warm up, just 4 more wickets than Wahab, and he is still considered worse..
 
Wahab over Junaid is perfectly justified. He has that extra bit of pace and when he gets it right hes a handful. What exactly has Junaid done since 2013? The guy would have got hammered as well. No pace, no swing/seam nothing . Slightly better lines than Wahab maybe but Junaid also might be called for chucking . Think that's why they didn't bowl Hafeez either.
 
People discussing personnel changes when the bigger issue is already highlighted by Arthur. This team is made of mentally weak players who wilt under pressure. No changes in personnel can help that.
But in this hard chat they will have today. They have to be honest amongst themselves.
'Why are we so soft under pressure?'
 
Wahab over Junaid is perfectly justified. He has that extra bit of pace and when he gets it right hes a handful. What exactly has Junaid done since 2013? The guy would have got hammered as well. No pace, no swing/seam nothing . Slightly better lines than Wahab maybe but Junaid also might be called for chucking . Think that's why they didn't bowl Hafeez either.

In that case why pick Junaid for the squad? Don't make stupid comments, it's unnecessary.
 
Good set of qs asked This was an embarassing performance and rightly tough questions needs to be asked about the horrid team selection and tactics employed
 
In that case why pick Junaid for the squad? Don't make stupid comments, it's unnecessary.

Lol you are talking about selections? Why select Hafeez,shehzad,Azhar or any of these mediocre cricketers at all? Ask Inzi. This was a pathetic squad. With whatever squad has been selected, I think Mickey chose probably the best XI
 
People discussing personnel changes when the bigger issue is already highlighted by Arthur. This team is made of mentally weak players who wilt under pressure. No changes in personnel can help that.
But in this hard chat they will have today. They have to be honest amongst themselves.
'Why are we so soft under pressure?'

What pressure? If anything there was more pressure on India, and it showed in the field. A half decent side would have made them pay for those lapses. If there are players who are mentally weak then they can be replaced by players who aren't. But I don't think that's the real issue, I think too many players are unsuitable for ODI format at the highest level and I said it before this game. Hafeez, Shehzad, Wahab, and Imad have all shown signs that they would be cannon fodder before a bowl was bowled. Azhar Ali isn't an ODI batsman either, although to be fair he batted as well as he was ever going to today.
 
Bowling isn't an issue. Neither Junaid could have done anything.

IT IS THE FREAKIN BATTING that nobody talks about, not even Mickey himself!!!!
 
What is Mickey's role with the team? He sounds as if he is a passive observer, some kind of a travelling writer with the team. We should get rid of him, its been a year of excuses and "what-should-be"......We know our players are below par and play outdated cricket, but cant mickey arhtus for once try to come up with a winning formula with what he has rather than harp on and on about fitness and everything else
 
Had Wahab bowled a consistent short length today, like he did down under, I think he could've been threatening on this quick pitch.

But he was everywhere and so nowhere.
 
He doesnt know why Hafeez wasnt bowled.
Sarfraz forgot about Hafeez? Hard to imagine or believe.

At least he owns up to his mistake bout Wahab.

In Pakistan you would just find excuses.

What would hafeez have done? Would have been just another bowler to go at 8 an over and later called for chucking again even with his new ineffective bowling action.
 
What pressure? If anything there was more pressure on India, and it showed in the field. A half decent side would have made them pay for those lapses. If there are players who are mentally weak then they can be replaced by players who aren't. But I don't think that's the real issue, I think too many players are unsuitable for ODI format at the highest level and I said it before this game. Hafeez, Shehzad, Wahab, and Imad have all shown signs that they would be cannon fodder before a bowl was bowled. Azhar Ali isn't an ODI batsman either, although to be fair he batted as well as he was ever going to today.

You are trying to rationalize why there is no pressure. You are logically right. But this is not driven by logic. Fear is not a rational reaction. It happens. You just have to know how to control it.
You might find solace saying a better team would make India pay and I can tell you now you will be scratching your heals when they walk away with the trophy a week later
 
Bowling isn't an issue. Neither Junaid could have done anything.

IT IS THE FREAKIN BATTING that nobody talks about, not even Mickey himself!!!!

Because there's nothing he can do about it if the likes of Shehzad,Hafeez and Azhar are being selected in the squad and Sharjeel is unavailable.
 
didnt we all know azhar, shehzad, hafeez and wahab will be the difference.... they all played and the team get thrashed...

since the squad was selected i have been saying playing these 4 will be like pak going into the match as 7 vs 15...pak are more than predictable.....
 
Naming names when the tournament is still not over? Lame. No matter how bad he is. He should do this behind closed doors. Wahab did well in 2011 against India. May be some nostalgic reasons.

He is at the last limit of his patience - his last effort is to call names, so that few people steps down or shake up.
 
Moment of truth for the coach. Does he drop non performers en masse or gives them another game? Or worse, doesn't see them as the problem.
 
Mickey is overcompensating after the Australia debacle where he tried to change things too much too soon.

I understand he's still trying to adjust to foreign culture, its the first time he's coached an Asian team and doesn't want to create enemies in the media or within the team.

However he's seen enough. The limitations of around half a dozen players in this current ODI team are glaring. Its time to make the sweeping changes necessary - its not logical to persist with the same players who got you to #8 and #9 in the rankings.
 
Mickey is overcompensating after the Australia debacle where he tried to change things too much too soon.

I understand he's still trying to adjust to foreign culture, its the first time he's coached an Asian team and doesn't want to create enemies in the media or within the team.

However he's seen enough. The limitations of around half a dozen players in this current ODI team are glaring. Its time to make the sweeping changes necessary - its not logical to persist with the same players who got you to #8 and #9 in the rankings.


The problem is that Mickey has no real idea about the domestic bar the PSL and that gives you a snapshot at best. Mickey like any other coach will make no difference to this shower of *****. If you want someone to blame, look no further than the present PCB hierarchy and their predecessors who care not one iota about cricket but go on foreign jollies for being well connected.
 
Bowling isn't an issue. Neither Junaid could have done anything.

IT IS THE FREAKIN BATTING that nobody talks about, not even Mickey himself!!!!

Wow the day I agree with you.

You're correct, every other team now makes 300. Our bowling was okay. But our batting is utterly garbage.
 
Q. How long will it take, do you think, for them to change their brand of cricket?

MICKEY ARTHUR: How long is a piece of string? I don't know. We're trying every day. Every time we go down to training, we try and get the basics right. We didn't do it today. And that's disappointing. - See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...start-quot-Mickey-Arthur#sthash.8GsdpSYj.dpuf

Really Mickey, by selecting square pegs in a round hole?
 
"We selected a team that we thought could go out there and rattle the cages of India"

Did he say this with a straight face? :)))
 
People discussing personnel changes when the bigger issue is already highlighted by Arthur. This team is made of mentally weak players who wilt under pressure. No changes in personnel can help that.
But in this hard chat they will have today. They have to be honest amongst themselves.
'Why are we so soft under pressure?'

For the simple reason that the seniors like Azhar, Shehzad, Hafeez and Wahab in the team don't have the skill.

That's 4 out of 11 who are liabilities of varying sorts going up against a batting juggernaut. What was Arthur expecting?

Much rather go with unproven newbies who will either perform or wilt under pressure but at least we'll find out if they are good enough or not and if we should move on to the next batch of prospects. The problem is we make judgements about prospects before they have played and given a real chance.

It's simple: keep going through domestic performers till you find some that can stick at int'l level and show signs of having the ability to deliver. Not rocket science.

Better skilled players should lead to better performance.
 
For the simple reason that the seniors like Azhar, Shehzad, Hafeez and Wahab in the team don't have the skill.

That's 4 out of 11 who are liabilities of varying sorts going up against a batting juggernaut. What was Arthur expecting?

Much rather go with unproven newbies who will either perform or wilt under pressure but at least we'll find out if they are good enough or not and if we should move on to the next batch of prospects. The problem is we make judgements about prospects before they have played and given a real chance.

It's simple: keep going through domestic performers till you find some that can stick at int'l level and show signs of having the ability to deliver. Not rocket science.

Better skilled players should lead to better performance.
Sure let's play this game: the liabilities are ahmed Shehzad, Hafeez, Azhar, Malik. How many openers has inzi sent as their replacement? Pakistans best performers in last three tournament are Umar Amin, awais zia, sahibzada farhan, Iftikhar ahmed, khurrum manzoor. These are proper batsmen not all rounders. Can you tell me which of these are in the squad?
 
Bowling isn't an issue. Neither Junaid could have done anything.

IT IS THE FREAKIN BATTING that nobody talks about, not even Mickey himself!!!!

Bowling is also an issue when garbage like Wahab keeps getting selected who puts pressure on other bowlers by leaking runs from one end. Sure Junaid may not fare much better but under the circumstances he would have been the much better option from the squad.

In batting, persisting with guys who just do not possess the requisite skillset for modern LOI cricket is definition of insanity. Azhar, Shehzad and Hafeez are abysmal when it comes to rotating strike yet they keep on being played by Arthur expecting a different outcome. And it's not just Arthur, before this it was Waqar and Whatmore.

Our think tank over the years has been out of touch with present day cricket.
 
Sure let's play this game: the liabilities are ahmed Shehzad, Hafeez, Azhar, Malik. How many openers has inzi sent as their replacement? Pakistans best performers in last three tournament are Umar Amin, awais zia, sahibzada farhan, Iftikhar ahmed, khurrum manzoor. These are proper batsmen not all rounders. Can you tell me which of these are in the squad?

I'm on record saying that performers should be given a go from domestic cricket. Inzi is also at fault for not selecting openers who can play the explosive game upfront and have runs to back them up for their selection.

But in the current squad we have Fakhar who is an option over Azhar who has shown that ability. We are already losing, what is the harm in playing Fakhar? What are they so afraid of?
 
I'm on record saying that performers should be given a go from domestic cricket. Inzi is also at fault for not selecting openers who can play the explosive game upfront and have runs to back them up for their selection.

But in the current squad we have Fakhar who is an option over Azhar who has shown that ability. We are already losing, what is the harm in playing Fakhar? What are they so afraid of?
Oh I am all for selecting fakhar zaman, but I think there is merit in what Mickey says. Our players are soft. THe older guys were always mentally weak (Hafeez and Malik) and now they are passing this weak DNA to the new guys. Btw, I would rather drop Shehzad than Azhar although ideally both shouldn't be here
 
One thing i must appreciate about Arthur, after loosing such a hyped important match in a very devastating manner, you have to give it to him that he had the guts to come out and face the media alone rather than send Sarfaraz alone to face the music.

This is similar to what Dean Jones Philosophy is as Islamabad United Coach where he was like we have a rule where it the team wins, we send the captain out for the press conferences and if the team loses, i go out there and face the music.

Under Waqar, it was always the captain in the firing line.
 
Oh I am all for selecting fakhar zaman, but I think there is merit in what Mickey says. Our players are soft. THe older guys were always mentally weak (Hafeez and Malik) and now they are passing this weak DNA to the new guys. Btw, I would rather drop Shehzad than Azhar although ideally both shouldn't be here

Well it will be a lot easier to rectify their skills under pressure if they have superior base skills compared to the ones playing right now.

We basically handcuffed ourselves before we even stepped onto the field by selecting a terrible XI. I'm still cracking up at Arthur saying he believed this line up could rattle India! :)))
 
You are trying to rationalize why there is no pressure. You are logically right. But this is not driven by logic. Fear is not a rational reaction. It happens. You just have to know how to control it.
You might find solace saying a better team would make India pay and I can tell you now you will be scratching your heals when they walk away with the trophy a week later

I'm not trying to rationalise anything, I just don't buy that only Pakistan players feel the pressure, every time in every game regardless of which players are playing. Indian players also showed they felt the pressure with their fumbling fielding and nervous batting at times today. The difference was they just had better players more suited to 50 over cricket in the modern era.

Pakistan doesn't have a lot of quality players to start with, but there are some who were patently going to fail against India. Imad Wasim was one, and I'm not saying this in hindsight, I said this when he was picking up cheap wickets against clueless Windies batsmen. Sooner or later Pakistan will have to start looking for players who can play more attacking cricket, the 90's mindset of hoping to defend 250 runs isn't going to work against today's teams.
 
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