[VIDEO] A sincere reform or land grab attempt by BJP? - "Ignorant Fools Of BJP And Sangh': Lalu Yadav hits back at Amit Shah's jibe on Waqf Bill

[The Bald Eagle]

'Ignorant Fools Of BJP And Sangh': Lalu Yadav Hits Back At Amit Shah's Jibe On Waqf Bill​

A day after Union Home Minister Amit Shah's taunt that Waqf (Amendment) Bill "fulfilled the wishes of RJD president Lalu Prasad", the former Bihar CM on Thursday came out with a riposte.

Shah made the remark in Lok Sabha, referring to a speech by Prasad in 2013, when the latter was a member of the House, and had called for "more stringent" amendments to the Waqf introduced by the Congress-led UPA government, of which the RJD was a part.

Prasad shared a short video clip of the speech on his X handle, lambasting "ignorant fools of BJP and Sangh", but avoiding mention of Shah or any other leader by name.

"I had stood for a stringent law for protecting Waqf land, which you are trying to grab", wrote the RJD supremo who last week attended a 'dharna' staged by the All India Muslim Personal Law Board in protest against the Waqf (Amendment) Bill.

Prasad, who prides himself on having stopped the Ayodhya Rath Yatra in its tracks with the arrest of Lal Krishna Advani in 1990, when he was the Bihar CM, said, "I regret not being in Parliament at a time when rights of Muslims, other minorities, and the poor in general, and the Constitution itself are under attack. I would have taken on these people alone (akela hi kaafi tha)".

The septuagenarian, who is undergoing treatment at AIIMS, New Delhi, has been convicted in a number of fodder scam cases, which has also left him debarred from contesting elections.

The RJD supremo added, with a hint of sarcasm, "I was glad to see myself in your thoughts and your anxieties despite not being a member of the House. Ideological commitment is all that I have earned in my life".

The Waqf (Amendment) Bill issue is expected to have some impact on the assembly polls in Bihar, due later this year, in which the Mahagathbandhan helmed by RJD will take on BJP-led NDA, which has been ruling the state for two decades.

The JD(U), headed by Chief Minister Nitish Kumar, an arch rival of the RJD supremo, has always depended on a slice of Muslim votes, despite being a BJP ally.

However, the party's stance on Waqf Bill seems to have led to a turmoil, with more than one Muslim leaders of the party coming out in the open to express their anxieties.

"The Bill has been passed and all members stood exposed. It has become clear that there is no difference left between those who claim to be secular and those who are regarded as openly communal", alleged JD(U) national general secretary Ghulam Rasool Baliyawi.

In a video message, the former MLC urged his community to "think rationally and not give in to emotions" until "we get a copy of the Bill passed by Parliament to fight the matter legally, from High Courts across the country to the Supreme Court".

Bihar Shia Waqf Board Chairman Syed Afzal Abbas, who is also associated with the JD(U), said, "While some of our suggestions were incorporated in the Waqf Bill, others have been ignored. Had the Union government shown less haste and more thoughtfulness, no scope would have been left for Baliyawi sahib and his ilk to express anger".

'Ignorant Fools Of BJP And Sangh': Lalu Yadav Hits Back At Amit Shah's Jibe On Waqf Bill

Lalu Prasad shared a short video clip of the speech on his X handle, lambasting 'ignorant fools of BJP and Sangh', but avoiding mention of Shah or any other leader by name.

news.abplive.com

 

[Bhaijaan]

When convicted thieves start to criticize you, must be doing something right.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

A great video, that explains the current amendment:

 

[sweep_shot]

This is a shameless land grab. No other way to put it.

Shame on chaiwala Modi and those who support him on this.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Poll added Guys!

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Asaduddin Owaisi tears up copy of Waqf Bill in Lok Sabha, says the motive of the bill is to insult Muslims​

AIMIM chief and Hyderabad MP Asaduddin Owaisi staged a symbolic protest in the Lok Sabha against the Waqf (Amendment) Bill, comparing his actions to those of Mahatma Gandhi in South Africa.

During the debate, Owaisi said, "If you read history, you would see that he (Mahatma Gandhi) said about the laws of white South Africa, 'My conscience doesn't accept this' and he tore it up. Like Gandhi, I am also tearing up this law. This is unconstitutional. The BJP wants to create divisiveness in this country in the name of temples and mosques. I condemn this and I request you to accept the 10 amendments."

"BJP wants to create riots between communities through this bill. The Modi government declared a war against the largest minority community in the country through this bill. This war is not on the bodies of Muslims but on their independence, social and educational status, their citizenship, madrasas, masjids, and dargahs," he said.

Owaisi further alleged that the bill aimed to strip Waqf properties from Muslim control. "By doing so, the encroacher will become the owner, and a non-Muslim will administrate the Waqf Board," he argued.

Opposition Calls Bill 'Unconstitutional'

The Opposition strongly opposed the bill, arguing that it violated fundamental rights. They contended that it went against Article 14, which guarantees equality before the law, and Article 15, which prohibits discrimination based on religion.

Owaisi reiterated, "This Bill is an attack on Muslims. The Modi government has started a war on my freedom. My mosques, my dargahs, my madrasas are on target. This government is not revealing the truth. This Bill violates Article 14, Equal Protection. Limitations will be imposed."

Asaduddin Owaisi tears up copy of Waqf Bill in Lok Sabha, says the motive of the bill is to insult Muslims

AIMIM chief Asaduddin Owaisi held a symbolic protest against the Waqf (Amendment) Bill, likening his actions to Mahatma Gandhi's historic protest in South Africa. Owaisi criticised the bill for being unconstitutional and divisive, alleging it targets the Muslim community's rights, education, and...

m.economictimes.com

 

[Champ_Pal]

When convicted thieves start to criticize you, must be doing something right.

On PP, people like Lalu Yadav are considered very trustworthy.

 

[Champ_Pal]

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Asaduddin Owaisi tears up copy of Waqf Bill in Lok Sabha, says the motive of the bill is to insult Muslims​

AIMIM chief and Hyderabad MP Asaduddin Owaisi staged a symbolic protest in the Lok Sabha against the Waqf (Amendment) Bill, comparing his actions to those of Mahatma Gandhi in South Africa.

During the debate, Owaisi said, "If you read history, you would see that he (Mahatma Gandhi) said about the laws of white South Africa, 'My conscience doesn't accept this' and he tore it up. Like Gandhi, I am also tearing up this law. This is unconstitutional. The BJP wants to create divisiveness in this country in the name of temples and mosques. I condemn this and I request you to accept the 10 amendments."

"BJP wants to create riots between communities through this bill. The Modi government declared a war against the largest minority community in the country through this bill. This war is not on the bodies of Muslims but on their independence, social and educational status, their citizenship, madrasas, masjids, and dargahs," he said.

Owaisi further alleged that the bill aimed to strip Waqf properties from Muslim control. "By doing so, the encroacher will become the owner, and a non-Muslim will administrate the Waqf Board," he argued.

Opposition Calls Bill 'Unconstitutional'

The Opposition strongly opposed the bill, arguing that it violated fundamental rights. They contended that it went against Article 14, which guarantees equality before the law, and Article 15, which prohibits discrimination based on religion.

Owaisi reiterated, "This Bill is an attack on Muslims. The Modi government has started a war on my freedom. My mosques, my dargahs, my madrasas are on target. This government is not revealing the truth. This Bill violates Article 14, Equal Protection. Limitations will be imposed."

Asaduddin Owaisi tears up copy of Waqf Bill in Lok Sabha, says the motive of the bill is to insult Muslims

AIMIM chief Asaduddin Owaisi held a symbolic protest against the Waqf (Amendment) Bill, likening his actions to Mahatma Gandhi's historic protest in South Africa. Owaisi criticised the bill for being unconstitutional and divisive, alleging it targets the Muslim community's rights, education, and...

m.economictimes.com

I see Shatrughan Sinha in the background. The man must be super confused ever since his daughter married a Muslim man. He used to be in BJP.

 

[sweep_shot]

When convicted thieves start to criticize you, must be doing something right.

Waqf lands are private lands. Why should government grab private lands?

Don't complain if China grabs Arunachal Pradesh and Ladakh from India. Practice what you preach.

Then again, Arunachal Pradesh shouldn't have been with India in the first place.

 

[Rajdeep]

My thread on Birmingham trash pile which is a genuine health issue gets binned. Multiple threads on Waqf board is opened. Now threads been opened on what Chor Laloo Yadav is saying.

#Agenda

 

[The Bald Eagle]

My thread on Birmingham trash pile which is a genuine health issue gets binned. Multiple threads on Waqf board is opened. Now threads been opened on what Chor Laloo Yadav is saying.

#Agenda

My friend, your thread had nothing but trolls in it...appeared like an agenda against certain posters.

 

[RexRex]

My thread on Birmingham trash pile which is a genuine health issue gets binned. Multiple threads on Waqf board is opened. Now threads been opened on what Chor Laloo Yadav is saying.

#Agenda

I, for one, appreciate your Bradford & Birmingham concern threads and I hope to see more of it. It's kinda odd that for a BritPak forum, those places are rarely mentioned here.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

@Rajdeep a genuine question, did you know before the highlighted bit
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Indian parliament's lower house passes controversial bill on Muslim properties

The lower house of India's parliament has passed a controversial bill that seeks to change how properties worth billions of dollars donated by Indian Muslims over centuries are governed.

The Waqf (Amendment) Bill, 2024 - which brings in dozens of amendments to an existing law - was passed late on Wednesday night after a heated debate that went on for over 12 hours.

The government says the bill will introduce transparency into the management of waqf, as the properties are called.

But opposition parties and Muslim groups have called it an attempt to weaken the constitutional rights of India's largest religious minority.

In the Lok Sabha, as the lower house is called, the bill was passed with 288 MPs voting in favour of it, and 232 against (the halfway mark is 272).

It has now been sent to the Rajya Sabha, or upper house, for discussion and passage.

If it is passed by the Rajya Sabha, it will be sent to President Droupadi Murmu for her assent before it becomes law.

The bill was first tabled in parliament in August last year but was sent to a joint parliamentary committee (JPC) after an outcry from opposition members. The version that has been passed incorporates several changes suggested by the sharply divided committee. Opposition members who were on the panel have alleged that the JPC accepted the changes suggested by the BJP and its allies while rejecting all amendments they proposed.

Why Muslims in India are opposing changes to a property law

Mallikarjun Kharge, Congress MP and leader of the opposition in the Rajya Sabha, said the opposition was united and would work to defeat "the unconstitutional and divisive agenda of the Modi government on the Waqf Amendment Bill". But the numbers may not be in the opposition's favour.

Muslim groups have argued that the bill "aims to weaken the waqf laws and pave the way for the seizure and destruction of waqf properties".

Speaking in the Lok Sabha, Congress leader Gaurav Gogoi said the bill would "dilute the Constitution, defame minority communities, divide Indian society and disenfranchise minorities".

Federal Home Minister Amit Shah defended the bill, saying that the opposition was scaring minorities by creating "an illusion that this bill would interfere in the religious activities of Muslim brothers and in their donated property".

What is the bill about?

The waqf properties, which include mosques, madrassas, shelter homes and thousands of acres of land donated by Muslims, are managed by boards. Some of these properties are vacant while others have been encroached upon.

In Islamic tradition, a waqf is a charitable or religious donation made by Muslims for the benefit of the community. Such properties cannot be sold or used for any other purpose - which implies that waqf properties belong to God.

The government says that the waqf boards are among India's largest landholders. There are at least 872,351 waqf properties across India, spanning more than 940,000 acres, with an estimated value of 1.2 trillion rupees ($14.22bn; £11.26bn).

A major criticism from opponents of the bill is that it grants the government undue power to regulate the management of these endowments and determine whether a property qualifies as "waqf".

The bill also proposes the induction of two non-Muslim members on the waqf boards which oversee these properties. Critics have opposed this provision, arguing that most religious institutions run by non-Muslims do not permit followers of other faiths in their administration.

Ssource: BBC

 

[Rajdeep]

I, for one, appreciate your Bradford & Birmingham concern threads and I hope to see more of it. It's kinda odd that for a BritPak forum, those places are rarely mentioned here.

Highlighting issues of Bradford and Birmingham is agenda aparently as its exposes the bhai bandhus here.

Sati pratha and Laloo Yadav is the way to go

 

[Local.Dada]

BJP is very pro-pasmanda Muslim party. They don’t do anything without benefit or for a larger game. Some politicians and elites want to show this as some anti-Muslim bill but this is one of the most pro poor-Muslim moves by BJP. Well done and happy for the poor Muslim brothers and sisters. First triple talaq and this, BJP has done more for Muslim social welfare than Hindu welfare. Well done but need to move on from this appeasement and look for the benefit of all

 

[The Bald Eagle]

BJP is very pro-pasmanda Muslim party. They don’t do anything without benefit or for a larger game. Some politicians and elites want to show this as some anti-Muslim bill but this is one of the most pro poor-Muslim moves by BJP. Well done and happy for the poor Muslim brothers and sisters. First triple talaq and this, BJP has done more for Muslim social welfare than Hindu welfare. Well done but need to move on from this appeasement and look for the benefit of all

I hope what you are saying is true...but how??? Can you please enlighten others too regarding it

 

[Local.Dada]

I hope what you are saying is true...but how??? Can you please enlighten others too regarding it

let me oversimplify it here but here is the biggest issue

Unilateral Powers of Waqf Boards


Waqf Boards can declare land as “waqf property” without notifying or hearing objections from the landowners.

you think a normal Muslim blue collar guy is part of these Waqf boards? It is usually political- powerful maulana nexus.

Most times it is easier to bully a poor Muslim with the religious aspect than someone who can take a legal route. If you are from a different community or even a rich Muslim you can take legal route if your property is declared as Waqf land. However the way it is setup right now once Waqf declares is their property, case is closed. Many cases of poor Muslim widows or disputed properties being stolen by Waqf.

Pakistan is pretty much run by a Poltician-Maulana nexus so you tell me how do you think unregulated powers will work out in their hands?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

A great video, that explains the current amendment:

let me oversimplify it here but here is the biggest issue

Unilateral Powers of Waqf Boards


Waqf Boards can declare land as “waqf property” without notifying or hearing objections from the landowners.

you think a normal Muslim blue collar guy is part of these Waqf boards? It is usually political- powerful maulana nexus.

Most times it is easier to bully a poor Muslim with the religious aspect than someone who can take a legal route. If you are from a different community or even a rich Muslim you can take legal route if your property is declared as Waqf land. However the way it is setup right now once Waqf declares is their property, case is closed. Many cases of poor Muslim widows or disputed properties being stolen by Waqf.

Pakistan is pretty much run by a Poltician-Maulana nexus so you tell me how do you think unregulated powers will work out in their hands?

Yeah nice thanks. It makes sense now but what about the other devil as discussed in the end of video that I quoted in this post...does BJP want to replace one nexus with their nexus for land grab?

 

[Local.Dada]

..does BJP want to replace one nexus with their nexus for land grab?

Is there a new provision that any BJP member or RSS will have the same powers as Waqf? Then you have a point. I don’t think so though.

BJP or for matter of fact any ruling party in subcontinent doesn’t need Waqf etc to grab land. Just because crimes will happen anyway is not an excuse to not fix the current garbage.

That’s your answer.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Is there a new provision that any BJP member or RSS will have the same powers as Waqf? Then you have a point. I don’t think so though.

BJP or for matter of fact any ruling party in subcontinent doesn’t need Waqf etc to grab land. Just because crimes will happen anyway is not an excuse to not fix the current garbage.

That’s your answer.

As per akash banarjee video, now a civil servant ie a government employee working under politicans will decide whether a Waqf exists or not...instead of a court that should have been the ought to be authority in such instance

 

[Local.Dada]

As per akash banarjee video, now a civil servant ie a government employee working under politicans will decide whether a Waqf exists or not...instead of a court that should have been the ought to be authority in such instance

so Akash Banarjee the YouTuber is your source of information? Lol.

Let me ask you this do you know what is the role of a collector/IAS officer? I am
Sure Pakistan has it in some form too. For your benefit see below. Not sure if you will read though that but any civil servant reports to the government. Waqf article is going to be scrapped means there is no more the legal aspect of is it Waqf land or not?.

it will fall under the collector office responsibilities as below. I thought Pakistan adopted a similar system too as this was from the British era but maybe I am wrong. Also no problem if you listen to YouTubers but I would do my own research. Also why are you so concerned about this? Do you have any Waqf land in India? Let me know will use my RSS/ civil servant contacts. If it’s some jhuggi-jhopdi promise you will help you for free, but if you have a vast land, i will take commison. Deal now relax


1. Policy Implementation


• Implements laws, schemes, and policies formulated by the central and state governments.


• Ensures that policies are executed effectively on the ground.





2. Administration of Districts


• When serving as a District Collector or District Magistrate, the IAS officer:


• Oversees the day-to-day administration of the district.


• Coordinates between various government departments.


• Maintains law and order.


• Manages disaster response, elections, and public welfare schemes.





3. Policy Formulation and Advising


• At higher levels (e.g., Joint Secretary, Secretary to the Government of India), IAS officers:


• Draft government policies.


• Advise ministers.


• Coordinate with other departments and state governments.





4. Crisis and Disaster Management


• Takes charge during natural disasters (floods, earthquakes), pandemics, or civil unrest.


• Leads relief and rehabilitation operations.





5. Financial Management


• Prepares and manages budgets for departments or districts.


• Ensures proper use of public funds and adherence to financial rules.





6. Supervisory Role


• Monitors the work of subordinate government officials and departments.


• Conducts inspections and reviews progress reports.





7. Public Grievance Redressal


• Listens to complaints from citizens and ensures appropriate action is taken.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Lol...I know civil services way better than you, no jokes but won't delve into the reason of it.

On the above YouTube video, certainly you haven't listened to it in full and infact you haven't been through whole Waqf law yet..just a small info Waqf is never a PUBLIC land..only if you could understand this Islamic topic then it would help you a lot.

so Akash Banarjee the YouTuber is your source of information? Lol.

Let me ask you this do you know what is the role of a collector/IAS officer? I am
Sure Pakistan has it in some form too. For your benefit see below. Not sure if you will read though that but any civil servant reports to the government. Waqf article is going to be scrapped means there is no more the legal aspect of is it Waqf land or not?.

it will fall under the collector office responsibilities as below. I thought Pakistan adopted a similar system too as this was from the British era but maybe I am wrong. Also no problem if you listen to YouTubers but I would do my own research. Also why are you so concerned about this? Do you have any Waqf land in India? Let me know will use my RSS/ civil servant contacts. If it’s some jhuggi-jhopdi promise you will help you for free, but if you have a vast land, i will take commison. Deal now relax


1. Policy Implementation


• Implements laws, schemes, and policies formulated by the central and state governments.


• Ensures that policies are executed effectively on the ground.





2. Administration of Districts


• When serving as a District Collector or District Magistrate, the IAS officer:


• Oversees the day-to-day administration of the district.


• Coordinates between various government departments.


• Maintains law and order.


• Manages disaster response, elections, and public welfare schemes.





3. Policy Formulation and Advising


• At higher levels (e.g., Joint Secretary, Secretary to the Government of India), IAS officers:


• Draft government policies.


• Advise ministers.


• Coordinate with other departments and state governments.





4. Crisis and Disaster Management


• Takes charge during natural disasters (floods, earthquakes), pandemics, or civil unrest.


• Leads relief and rehabilitation operations.





5. Financial Management


• Prepares and manages budgets for departments or districts.


• Ensures proper use of public funds and adherence to financial rules.





6. Supervisory Role


• Monitors the work of subordinate government officials and departments.


• Conducts inspections and reviews progress reports.





7. Public Grievance Redressal


• Listens to complaints from citizens and ensures appropriate action is taken.

 

[Local.Dada]

Lol...I know civil services way better than you, no jokes but won't delve into the reason of it.

On the above YouTube video, certainly you haven't listened to it in full and infact you haven't been through whole Waqf law yet..just a small info Waqf is never a PUBLIC land..only if you could understand this Islamic topic then it would help you a lot.

Why would I need to understand an Islamic topic in this regard? India is a secular and democratic country and property rights etc should be regulated by the same laws for everyone regardless of caste, religion. There are nearly 10000 cases filed by Muslims in court by the way against Waqf. A lot from Kerala.They went to Indian court because clearly religion was not solving their dispute.

Again I don’t listen to Akash Banarjee. He is just a content creator. you will never see these guys much on public forums or debates because someone always puts these things together for them. That’s fine he has right to earn his living.He is not even a journalist. At least get your news or views from proper journalists. There are plenty like Barkha Dutt, Rajdeep who don’t like BJP too. You probably listen to this guy because he peddles things that you like to listen no different from Indians flocking to Pakistan YouTube channels for cricket stuff.

Since you claim to be a civil services expert hope in Pakistan research and views are not based on random YouTube videos. At least do proper research on things if you are so obsessed with India. Dhruv Rathee etc are not real sources lol.

Your argument is flawed. You can’t invoke religion and steal land. India isn’t an Islamic republic. As I said most victims of this Waqf act scam are poor Muslims so good on Modi and BJP.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Why would I need to understand an Islamic topic in this regard? India is a secular and democratic country and property rights etc should be regulated by the same laws for everyone regardless of caste, religion. There are nearly 10000 cases filed by Muslims in court by the way against Waqf. A lot from Kerala.They went to Indian court because clearly religion was not solving their dispute.

Again I don’t listen to Akash Banarjee. He is just a content creator. you will never see these guys much on public forums or debates because someone always puts these things together for them. That’s fine he has right to earn his living.He is not even a journalist. At least get your news or views from proper journalists. There are plenty like Barkha Dutt, Rajdeep who don’t like BJP too. You probably listen to this guy because he peddles things that you like to listen no different from Indians flocking to Pakistan YouTube channels for cricket stuff.

Since you claim to be a civil services expert hope in Pakistan research and views are not based on random YouTube videos. At least do proper research on things if you are so obsessed with India. Dhruv Rathee etc are not real sources lol.

Your argument is flawed. You can’t invoke religion and steal land. India isn’t an Islamic republic. As I said most victims of this Waqf act scam are poor Muslims so good on Modi and BJP.

Which rajdeep was you referring to?

 

[Local.Dada]

Which rajdeep was you referring to?

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Ok. What did you understand from his tweet? Anything about BJP stealing WAQF land? He almost makes it seem that this is a non-issue. I kind of agree with him. BJP is doing unnecessary drama. Should have been repealed and case closed instead of all this media hype. What’s your point again?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Ok. What did you understand from his tweet? Anything about BJP stealing WAQF land? He almost makes it seem that this is a non-issue. I kind of agree with him. BJP is doing unnecessary drama. Should have been repealed and case closed instead of all this media hype. What’s your point again?

Leave Muslims matter to themselves and courts, agree none of their business to spin it around as some altruistic reform for POOR Muslims

 

[Local.Dada]

Leave Muslims matter to themselves and courts, agree none of their business to spin it around as some altruistic reform for POOR Muslims

What is a Muslim matter? Property acts, criminal, civil laws apply to everyone equally living in a country. Speaking of none of your business it is definetely BJP’s business as last time I checked they are responsible for governance and administration as elected government. Seems more like none of your business to me

 

[The Bald Eagle]

What is a Muslim matter? Property acts, criminal, civil laws apply to everyone equally living in a country. Speaking of none of your business it is definetely BJP’s business as last time I checked they are responsible for governance and administration as elected government. Seems more like none of your business to me

Never mind but I have realized you are ignorant of this amendment and the context of it from your posts.

 

[Local.Dada]

Never mind but I have realized you are ignorant of this amendment and the context of it from your posts.

You are the expert from watching Akash Banarjee YouTube video?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

You are the expert from watching Akash Banarjee YouTube video?

I have a sound understanding of Waqaf , it's types and essentials unlike you

 

[Local.Dada]

I have a sound understanding about Waqaf

As a property owner (not a lot) I have basic understanding of property laws maybe not religious concept of Waqf. I would never want it regulated by any religious authority (even Hindu property laws if such a specific thing exists) . I am ok to abide by Indian govt laws.

Also please see below

Mumbai News: Muslims Back Waqf Amendment Bill, Distribute Sweets Amid Discussion In Lok Sabha (VIDEO)

Muslims in Mumbai celebrate the parliamentary backing for the Waqf Amendment Bill and distribute sweets in support.

www.freepressjournal.in

 

[Local.Dada]

@The Bald Eagle

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Wow who are these guys then?

@The Bald Eagle

 

[The Bald Eagle]

As a property owner (not a lot) I have basic understanding of property laws maybe not religious concept of Waqf. I would never want it regulated by any religious authority (even Hindu property laws if such a specific thing exists) . I am ok to abide by Indian govt laws.

Also please see below

Mumbai News: Muslims Back Waqf Amendment Bill, Distribute Sweets Amid Discussion In Lok Sabha (VIDEO)

Muslims in Mumbai celebrate the parliamentary backing for the Waqf Amendment Bill and distribute sweets in support.

www.freepressjournal.in

This is the main controversy @Local.Dada that people need to understand BJP wants to regulate the personal laws now...as you said not their domain.

 

[Slim]

Why would I need to understand an Islamic topic in this regard? India is a secular and democratic country and property rights etc should be regulated by the same laws for everyone regardless of caste, religion. There are nearly 10000 cases filed by Muslims in court by the way against Waqf. A lot from Kerala.They went to Indian court because clearly religion was not solving their dispute.

Again I don’t listen to Akash Banarjee. He is just a content creator. you will never see these guys much on public forums or debates because someone always puts these things together for them. That’s fine he has right to earn his living.He is not even a journalist. At least get your news or views from proper journalists. There are plenty like Barkha Dutt, Rajdeep who don’t like BJP too. You probably listen to this guy because he peddles things that you like to listen no different from Indians flocking to Pakistan YouTube channels for cricket stuff.

Since you claim to be a civil services expert hope in Pakistan research and views are not based on random YouTube videos. At least do proper research on things if you are so obsessed with India. Dhruv Rathee etc are not real sources lol.

Your argument is flawed. You can’t invoke religion and steal land. India isn’t an Islamic republic. As I said most victims of this Waqf act scam are poor Muslims so good on Modi and BJP.

I was with you until you started discounting Akash, and Dhruv. The two folks that expose the Sanghi agendas.

 

[Slim]

I am personally against any Muslim personal laws in any country especially a secular country like India. Why should a particular community have special laws ruling them or special courts judging them? You live by the rules of your state that is supposed to govern everyone equally. I am not well versed in this waqf related topic, but will come back to this later.

 

[Local.Dada]

This is the main controversy @Local.Dada that people need to understand BJP wants to regulate the personal laws now...as you said not their domain.

If a Muslim guy does pickpocket; his hands are not chopped off in India under Islamic law. He will have the same punishment as any other criminal under Indian laws. So the Muslim personal law board has no right to interfere with any government laws which are there to protect the rights of every citizen . Property rights are the same for everyone, if the government feels the Waqf act is abusing and skirting around property laws which are causing headaches to normal citizens just because of their religion it becomes a larger issue.

That conflict cannot be allowed:

you would have a point if Muslims are regulated 100% by Shariah in India under every aspect but that is not the case.

you are not Indian anyways, that train missed in 1947 (no pun intended). So don’t worry, if BJP starts stealing land of innocent poor Indian Muslims I will 100% be on their side. You worry about minority rights in Pakistan which seem boderline non-existent.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

If a Muslim guy does pickpocket; his hands are not chopped off in India under Islamic law. He will have the same punishment as any other criminal under Indian laws. So the Muslim personal law board has no right to interfere with any government laws which are there to protect the rights of every citizen . Property rights are the same for everyone, if the government feels the Waqf act is abusing and skirting around property laws which are causing headaches to normal citizens just because of their religion it becomes a larger issue.

That conflict cannot be allowed:

you would have a point if Muslims are regulated 100% by Shariah in India under every aspect but that is not the case.

you are not Indian anyways, that train missed in 1947 (no pun intended). So don’t worry, if BJP starts stealing land of innocent poor Indian Muslims I will 100% be on their side. You worry about minority rights in Pakistan which seem boderline non-existent.

Who introduced Waqaf act? Wasn't it the government at that time and for what purpose. As I said it is difficult to understand stuff with superficial knowledge about a topic.

 

[Bhaijaan]

First of all, we don’t care if anyone’s hurt or offended by these little amendments. Without being politically correct, Resident Muslims as one collective group of people are seen as traitors and anti nationals in our country and every now and then on topics like these they prove our suspicions right. So go find a corner to cry or bang your head in the wall, there is no empathy for those who do not love this country and its values. Whenever the nation has ever been at crossroads with destiny, Muslims have sided with whatever has been against national interest or been silent spectators. We have seen in Pakistan and Bangladesh how when in majority they not only harass minorities but wipe them out systematically. So try to make a fool out of someone else. Our country is much greater and gives much greater rights and security to minorities for as long as they abide by the constitution. We have nothing to defend or prove. You have any problem, go to Pakistan and Bangladesh. That option is always there.

These changes aren’t an attack on faith; they’re a crackdown on misuse, corruption, and illegal land grabs that have gone unchecked for too long.
Anyone who’s blindly defending this is supporting illegal land grabbing, corruption and vote bank politics. The ordinary Muslims don’t get any benefits from Waqf board. It’s not like they’re giving free housing, high quality schooling or hospitals to the society. Ask yourselves, why rush to shield a system that’s been exploited by a few at the expense of many? No Muslim in Bharat who legally owns a home has anything to fear from this reform, only those hiding behind criminal acts and unlawful occupation should tremble.

Stop acting like defenders of land grabbers and criminals who twist sacred intentions for selfish gain. Islam teaches you justice, not blind loyalty to broken systems. Look within, supporting what’s right doesn’t mean opposing your brothers; it means uplifting them by ensuring fairness for all. The fuss isn’t about faith; it’s about accountability. Open your eyes to that truth.

Laws like these are a reminder of the dark days of backwardness, anti national anti Hindu communist agenda of the Congress party. They don’t belong in a progressive nation destined for greatness.

 

[Bhaijaan]

It’s not the BJP which has emerged as the party that cares for the rights of the hindus.

It’s that every other political party in our country has exposed its communist anti hindu mindset over time. Some were known decades ago and some who pretended to be secular parties for all these years gradually exposed themselves to be Anti Hindu communists while competing with BJP.

More power to BJP, who just stood by their principles and in due course of time proved themselves to be the one and the only political party in the country which truly cares for Hindus and the idea of this nation.

The voters of this country have absolute clarity now and Hindus are consolidating as a vote bank to ensure BJP stays in power because frankly speaking we have seen now what the future of this country is without a BJP at the helm.

Those who think BJP were dominant in 2014, 2019 you have seen nothing. We will show you what dominance is by voting them to power again and again and again. We will not stop until every state in the country has a BJP Chief Minister. This has become personal now for us Hindus, the opposition parties have awakened our conscience. Watch us become Maver on voting now for the next many decades.

Bengal, Tamil Nadu, Punjab we will bring BJP to power everywhere. Kashmir also one day by the grace of God.

 

[Devadwal]

This is why Congress and other regional party's are not winning against BJP.

This Amendment was necessary and should have supported by all the party no matter what.

 

[Devadwal]

All the religious ( Hindu , muslim or any others ) law should revoke now . Enough

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

When convicted thieves start to criticize you, must be doing something right.

Yes, a convicted thief criticizing a 'Tadipar'. The irony writes itself.

 

[uppercut]

Who introduced Waqaf act? Wasn't it the government at that time and for what purpose.

What do YOU think was the purpose ?

As I said it is difficult to understand stuff with superficial knowledge about a topic.

Damn right !! And only people who have experienced the "beauty" of being on the receiving end of the supposedly very egalitarian Islamic way of life will tell you the real story.

 

[Hikaru]

This is why Congress and other regional party's are not winning against BJP.

This Amendment was necessary and should have supported by all the party no matter what.

It's such an obvious pattern now, all opposition parties need to do is keep their mouths shut for stuff like Article 370, CAA, Ram Mandir, Waqf etc. If they wait for their chance acting in national interest, they may actually do it subsequent elections.

But nope, luckily for Bharat, they are a bunch of compulsive Ummah appeasers who expose themselves at every given opportunity, giving BJP another free term, election after election. So so stupid.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Leave Muslims matter to themselves and courts, agree none of their business to spin it around as some altruistic reform for POOR Muslims

so you want separate muslim country inside a soveriegn country?

Taqqiya is strong in this one

 

[rpant_gabba]

This is the main controversy @Local.Dada that people need to understand BJP wants to regulate the personal laws now...as you said not their domain.

*** are personal laws? There is single law of the land. If I want want commit injury to my family under a religion, is it personal law?

Exposes you and your fellow muslims as the biggest hypocrites in the planet.

Do British muslims @Saj @DeadlyVenom and US muslims @Stewie fight for 4 wives as allowed by islam? Isn't that personal law?

So when US and UK regulate personal law, its not a problem, but when India does play the victim card.

Serious have some shame @The Bald Eagle

 

[globetrotter]

India’s opposition parties we’re saying till yesterday that waqf boards’ land was be used for benefits of common Muslims. 90% of Muslims still living in poverty or doing jobs like tyre puncture Wala, mutton shop, barber, bakery etc. India’s opposition party’s plan failed miserably to keep Muslim community in poverty without education.

Indeed great moment in the History of India… India heading to become superpower

 

[Devadwal]

BIG DECISION by Yogi Adityanath’s govt.

ILLEGAL Waqf board properties will be CONFISCATED

Sunni Board: 1,24,000 illegal properties

Shia Board: 7,785 illegal properties

Instructions issued to all DMs.

Keech ke rakho .

 

[DeadlyVenom]

*** are personal laws? There is single law of the land. If I want want commit injury to my family under a religion, is it personal law?

Exposes you and your fellow muslims as the biggest hypocrites in the planet.

Do British muslims @Saj @DeadlyVenom and US muslims @Stewie fight for 4 wives as allowed by islam? Isn't that personal law?

So when US and UK regulate personal law, its not a problem, but when India does play the victim card.

Serious have some shame @The Bald Eagle

You are equating fighting for law with the removal of laws put in place. I'm not sure why it bothers hindus so much that Muslims have some personal laws in India. They seem to be arguing more from an anti-muslim bias than anything else.

It is quite clear that these allowances were given to muslims because the state law itself was for Hindus.

When you have leader of a country triumphantly demolishing mosques and doing scuba diving while worshipping Hindu gods during election campaigns it is no wonder that people are defensive about these laws.

Muslims have every right to live how they want in India. It is their land just as much as it is for kumars. They are not outsiders.

We will see how strongly you feel about personal laws if Muslims eat a beef burger in front of a Hindu. Then personal laws are good.

 

[Devadwal]

Next should be Uniform Civil Code

 

[Rajdeep]

It is so good to see that India is going in the right direction. This govt dnt pander to minorities for vote and simply take steps that must be taken in 21st century. This is what good leadership does. Trump and Modis of the world are walking lesson why every country need right wing leaders. Left lunatics and communists have no place.

 

[Rajdeep]

@Bhaag Viru Bhaag - do you support this step taken by Indian govt?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

BIG DECISION by Yogi Adityanath’s govt.

ILLEGAL Waqf board properties will be CONFISCATED

Sunni Board: 1,24,000 illegal properties

Shia Board: 7,785 illegal properties

Instructions issued to all DMs.

Keech ke rakho .

"Yogi" seems like an ideal neutral and unbiased figure.

 

[Devadwal]

"Yogi" seems like an ideal neutral and unbiased figure.

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Nothing wrong with this ,he is not using Illegal Property like Waqf . keech ke rakho

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

"Yogi" seems like an ideal neutral and unbiased figure.

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This is the thing. It is like Donald Trump, even if you don't like him, at least you can respect him for being straight up and calling a spade a spade. These hindutvas who spam Pakistan media, they will always pretend they are secular while idol worshipping saffron ideologues like Yogi and and Modi who's whole ethos is built around Islam hatred. Just be open and say it like it is, you are not fooling anyone.

 

[Devadwal]

Enjoying the meltdown by certain people's.

 

[Hikaru]

BIG DECISION by Yogi Adityanath’s govt.

ILLEGAL Waqf board properties will be CONFISCATED

Sunni Board: 1,24,000 illegal properties

Shia Board: 7,785 illegal properties

Instructions issued to all DMs.

Keech ke rakho .

Beautiful, Jai Shree Ram. <3

 

[Rajdeep]

This is the thing. It is like Donald Trump, even if you don't like him, at least you can respect him for being straight up and calling a spade a spade. These hindutvas who spam Pakistan media, they will always pretend they are secular while idol worshipping saffron ideologues like Yogi and and Modi who's whole ethos is built around Islam hatred. Just be open and say it like it is, you are not fooling anyone.

1. Modi and Yogi can practice any religion. Why it is burning for you if they do idol worship?

2. Definition of secularism meaning every citizen has equal rights in the state. Show me one step they have taken that is taking away the rights of Indian muslims? Aboslishing WAQF board or implementing Uniform Civil Code or removing triple talaq is actually secularism.

3. Islamist like you will forvever play the victim card but Modi/Yogis ethos is not build around Islam hatred. Go and check the work Modi govt has done for upliftment of muslim women. Pakistanis like you are brainwashed to the core but it is good to see you guys all riled up and helpless.

 

[MP2011]

Transfer or retire: Tirupati temple board removes 18 non-Hindu employees​

The Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams (TTD) has taken action against 18 employees for violating its rule requiring staff to follow Hindu traditions.

The TTD board, led by Chairman BR Naidu, had previously stated that only Hindu employees could work at TTD. However, these 18 employees were found to be practising non-Hindu traditions, which led to disciplinary action.

As per the TTD Board's resolution, these employees will be removed from their current roles at TTD temples and affiliated departments. They are also banned from taking part in any Hindu religious events or duties.

Transfer or retire: Tirupati temple board removes 18 non-Hindu employees

Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams (TTD) has taken action against 18 employees for practicing non-Hindu religious activities, violating the board's rule that staff must adhere to Hindu traditions. They are offered the option to transfer to other departments or take VRS.

www.indiatoday.in

 

[MP2011]

Non Hindus have been asked to leave from TTD board but non muslims can now be part of Waqf board! Similarly, Vaishno Devi shrine board can't have non Hindus too.

Well done bigot! Your bigotry is shining through in your 3rd term too.

 

[MP2011]

This latest act of feku is nothing but a land grab exercise under the garb of a legislation aimed at welfare of Muslims.

 

[sweep_shot]

"Yogi" seems like an ideal neutral and unbiased figure.

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From the facial expression, it seems like he is experiencing constipation.

His name reminds me of the anime "Yu-Gi-Oh!".

 

[sweep_shot]

This is the thing. It is like Donald Trump, even if you don't like him, at least you can respect him for being straight up and calling a spade a spade. These hindutvas who spam Pakistan media, they will always pretend they are secular while idol worshipping saffron ideologues like Yogi and and Modi who's whole ethos is built around Islam hatred. Just be open and say it like it is, you are not fooling anyone.

I think they have an identity crisis and they have become very paranoid and insecure.

Illiterate chaiwala Modi has no leadership quality. He is all about dogwhistling against minorities. One trick pony.

 

[Local.Dada]

*** are personal laws?

I don’t know why my previous comment got deleted but I really want to understand the concept of “personal laws”. I think the great reformers and debaters here are confusing “personnel” with “personal”. That’s the quality of argument we are having. Also the keyword here is “amendment” which people seem to be missing.

Can I have a personal law that I can drive on red light or drink beer in office? Would love it

 

[Local.Dada]

This latest act of feku is nothing but a land grab exercise under the garb of a legislation aimed at welfare of Muslims.

So wait Modi is a dictator though according to you? I thought dictators can just grab land at their own will.

Also I am ok with land being grabbed from corrupt politicians and Maulanas who spread nuisance.

Will it be given to poor Muslims- I don’t know but at least on paper the thought is good.

Just because you think land grabbing will happen doesn’t mean you don’t fix the current issues.

Don’t talk with half-knowledge. Some Brit-Pakistani giving half baked gyan about Indian laws I understand but what’s your excuse?

 

[MP2011]

Only an out and out andhbhakt will ever trust feku for welfare of Muslims. Or for that matter, Anything.

For such andhbhakts, even demonetization was great, people dying during Covid was good, economy in doldrums is good for India, rich getting richer is good, unemployment is good, etc.

 

[Local.Dada]

Only an out and out andhbhakt will ever trust feku for welfare of Muslims. Or for that matter, Anything.

For such andhbhakts, even demonetization was great, people dying during Covid was good, economy in doldrums is good for India, rich getting richer is good, unemployment is good, etc.

Demonetization was great. You are forced to use paytm now, otherwise you would have to look for un-accounted bills in your grandmas kitchen for your chai and smoke.

 

[MP2011]

Lol, as I said only an andhbhakt can blindly kowtow feku and his destructive policies.

Lol, someone who doesn't even live in India is telling me what's good for India.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Lol, as I said only an andhbhakt can blindly kowtow feku and his destructive policies.

Lol, someone who doesn't even live in India is telling me what's good for India.

you really need to work on your vocabulary.

anyway WTH are personal laws? and how come Indian muslims have no problem and other muslims have no problem not having that luxury when they live in the west?

Before you ask, I'm not in favor of beef ban.

 

[Stewie]

*** are personal laws? There is single law of the land. If I want want commit injury to my family under a religion, is it personal law?

Exposes you and your fellow muslims as the biggest hypocrites in the planet.

Do British muslims @Saj @DeadlyVenom and US muslims @Stewie fight for 4 wives as allowed by islam? Isn't that personal law?

So when US and UK regulate personal law, its not a problem, but when India does play the victim card.

Serious have some shame @The Bald Eagle

You tagged me here but I am completely out of the loop on this discussion.

First of all is the topic Personnel law or Personal Law? In either case, someone kindly summarize for me the point of the argument.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

*** are personal laws? There is single law of the land. If I want want commit injury to my family under a religion, is it personal law?

Exposes you and your fellow muslims as the biggest hypocrites in the planet.

Do British muslims @Saj @DeadlyVenom and US muslims @Stewie fight for 4 wives as allowed by islam? Isn't that personal law?

So when US and UK regulate personal law, its not a problem, but when India does play the victim card.

Serious have some shame @The Bald Eagle

Lol you will teach other about integrity and shame

First of all explain in simple words what is WAQF, and then will decide whether to continue with you or not

 

[HalBass9]

In India, Muslims face insults for offering namaz, are lynched over allegations related to cows, their businesses are boycotted under the pretext of vegetarianism, they are denied rental housing due to their identity, and their homes are bulldozed, yet the BJP government expects us to believe that this bill was introduced for the welfare of Muslims.

 

[Rajdeep]

You tagged me here but I am completely out of the loop on this discussion.

First of all is the topic Personnel law or Personal Law? In either case, someone kindly summarize for me the point of the argument.

I think brother @rpant_gabba wants to know if allowed will you have 4 wives in US?

 

[Stewie]

I think brother @rpant_gabba wants to know if allowed will you have 4 wives in US?

Why would I want 4 wives in the US if there are no laws restricting me from getting the full benefits of a wife without the official designation? LOL. If I can afford to have them, I can have more than four "wives" here. I guess the more colorful or popular vernacular for them is "baby mama"

 

[Stewie]

by the way there are polygamist faith based communities in the US. Mormons are in Utah, Colorado, etc and have multiple wives. I am sure they are not allowed legally, but its their own personal choice to live together as man and wives and there are no laws against doing so.

Spin it as you may, I don't care: but these are facts.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

1. Modi and Yogi can practice any religion. Why it is burning for you if they do idol worship?

2. Definition of secularism meaning every citizen has equal rights in the state. Show me one step they have taken that is taking away the rights of Indian muslims? Aboslishing WAQF board or implementing Uniform Civil Code or removing triple talaq is actually secularism.

3. Islamist like you will forvever play the victim card but Modi/Yogis ethos is not build around Islam hatred. Go and check the work Modi govt has done for upliftment of muslim women. Pakistanis like you are brainwashed to the core but it is good to see you guys all riled up and helpless.

Still not able to call a spade a spade I see. Of course you will pretend that Yogi's hindutva is not about Islam hatred, it is your MO to be deceptive. But who do you think you are fooling? Like I said, we can respect Trump to some extent simply because he is quite open with his objectives. With you guys the churi will always be hidden away in the bagal.

 

[Rajdeep]

Still not able to call a spade a spade I see. Of course you will pretend that Yogi's hindutva is not about Islam hatred, it is your MO to be deceptive. But who do you think you are fooling? Like I said, we can respect Trump to some extent simply because he is quite open with his objectives. With you guys the churi will always be hidden away in the bagal.

No one gives a two hoot about what Pakistanis think, so no question of fooling anyone. Modi and Yogi have been elected multiple times by the people of their country and state respectively...so thats all matters. If removing religious based laws like WAQF, Triple Talaq or Uniform Civil Code is Islamophobia and muslim hate for you, you are free to think whatever you want. Talking about being open and transparent like Trump, removing WAQF was in BJPs election manifesto clearly highlighting as one of their agenda. Not sure how much more transparent one can be.

 

[Major]

Could someone atleast be bothered to share what the bill states and why its being removed.

Thanks

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Could someone atleast be bothered to share what the bill states and why its being removed.

Thanks